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Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:27:00 -
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I'm an american who lives in China and plays the regular server here... bout a year now. I have probs with 'portal management' among other things but hey... I usually get in some good play. A lot of Chinese would like to as well. Believe it or not they are not all credit farmers and a lot of decent people in the bunch.
My question is what is the 'real' reason CCP isn't here making the main server more available? Don't give me the nonsense about China kill people/things or anything like that either. I just wasted some dudes in a Chinese game and many won't let you kill anything till you pay. Other 'reasons' i've heard are just as ludicrous. I can think of a few possibly legit reasons but nothing I think can't be overcome. Soooo.... CCP... why is it so hard for my Chinese buds to play with everyone else? The 'real' reason... please? |
Bethesda Vortarhiat
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:28:00 -
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The ammunition "Nuclear S/M/L"
The fact Gallente are democratic and get to vote.
Amongst others. |
Gabbot
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:29:00 -
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Probably somthing to do with the Great Firewall of china |
Janet Marshall
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia I'm an american who lives in China and plays the regular server here... bout a year now. I have probs with 'portal management' among other things but hey... I usually get in some good play. A lot of Chinese would like to as well. Believe it or not they are not all credit farmers and a lot of decent people in the bunch.
My question is what is the 'real' reason CCP isn't here making the main server more available? Don't give me the nonsense about China kill people/things or anything like that either. I just wasted some dudes in a Chinese game and many won't let you kill anything till you pay. Other 'reasons' i've heard are just as ludicrous. I can think of a few possibly legit reasons but nothing I think can't be overcome. Soooo.... CCP... why is it so hard for my Chinese buds to play with everyone else? The 'real' reason... please?
The client and story is different, China prohibits alot of stuff like religious type things. So all that would have to be writen out of our version :(. |
Miyamoto Uroki
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:30:00 -
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You do know that there is a separate Eve Server just for the chinese people, right?
So what else should ccp do apart from giving them their own universe? |
ArmyOfMe
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:30:00 -
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there are special rules in china when it comes to MMO games |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:33:00 -
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Wrong and wrong. With all due respect i'm sittin here lookin at the Chinese version... my brother in law has it. I live in the mainland and I play... behind the firewall. The only main diff in the Chinese version is the timing of new releases n such... not much else of note. The players can b as rude and obnoxious as any in the world... and as good. From what I see diff is minimal in most respects.
Anyone care to try again? Hopefully CCP? |
Morgan Lorus
Aki'na Mining Corp The Omni Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:36:00 -
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Its cuz the chinese laws reduces internet usage. Nothing to do with CCP, its chinas gov. you need to ask. |
Brunn
Adeptus Astronomica
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Brunn on 13/06/2008 12:39:40 Edited by: Brunn on 13/06/2008 12:38:53 its really because of sheer numbers and languange barrier.
i've seen it in other games, chinese because of language barrier tend to for chinese speaking only guild and because they outnumber the rest of the world, they tend to dominate. result the rest of the world gets tired and abbandon game, it happened in lots of games...
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Schani Kratnorr
x13
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:40:00 -
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another proof living in China is **** tbh. |
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 12:42:35 I've asked this question myself - though I specifically asked if the TQ and Serenity servers would ever collide in the future.
The answer that came directly from CCP was no - the reason was because there was a law/laws that prohibit them offering the Chinese people this service/game, but the server has to be IN China - which is why Serenity was built. I asked which specific law/laws this was, but I never really did get a reply on that. |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:42:00 -
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Thats wrong too. The net is fast domestically here in most places and the only restriction involved is a language filter prohibiting some terms and words that is and can be applied to any game or area a game is played in. Done all the time. Politics n religion are not an issue either. They have politicin n religion in a lot of games that have past, present, and future settings. The only thing that you get is banned for using the net as a forum for anti government activities. Then ur just banned... thats it... no real effect beyond an eula violation.
One part of that which may have a touch of reality is the 'management' of traffic and ports to favor domestic commercial internet enterprises... one of the 'possibly legit' issues I referred to. |
Ciaphas Khaine
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia Thats wrong too. The net is fast domestically here in most places and the only restriction involved is a language filter prohibiting some terms and words that is and can be applied to any game or area a game is played in. Done all the time. Politics n religion are not an issue either. They have politicin n religion in a lot of games that have past, present, and future settings. The only thing that you get is banned for using the net as a forum for anti government activities. Then ur just banned... thats it... no real effect beyond an eula violation.
One part of that which may have a touch of reality is the 'management' of traffic and ports to favor domestic commercial internet enterprises... one of the 'possibly legit' issues I referred to.
im not sure you heard them saying this over and over. those chinese peeps have LAWS that wont allow us to play with them because they are afraid well spread our 5th column counter revolutionary thought to thier peasants and what not.
oppressive gov ftl |
Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:47:00 -
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Tell me this: Did you get to vote for CSM elections?
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 12:48:40 Here, did a quick search to find the response CCP gave to me:
My OP:
Originally by: Amastat For those who don't know, Serenity is the beta server for EVE that is in China. Well - as far as i know they are running the same version that TQ is running off of, they just cal it BETA because it's BETA over in China.
My question, for anyone who would know - merge the TQ and Serenity servers? Or just have them stay in their own server?
They've been around for going on.. 2 years now I think, and they still have several thousand players on at a time - but that's those who were accepted into the BETA, and it sounds like it has been successful and is really catching on over there.
So - yea; they are restricted to just what players they have, CCP isn't letting anymore on that server, since it's a BETA. But when it's time for them to go live, are they going to hook up to TQ or no? Very Happy
I would presume if they did hook up to TQ, CCP would have a dedicated line go between the TQ and Serenity so there is maximum efficiency with data transfer, or they'd just transfer all the data to TQ. Or is something else in CCP's mind?
Didn't know at the time it was out of BETA already though
CCP's Response:
Originally by: CCP Whisper Hi. Serenity was always planned to be a separate server. To run an MMO in China requires an operator's license and also requires the servers to be located in China. We do not offer an English language client for Serenity, but if you speak Chinese there is no reason you can't go to the official site and download a trial from there to see what it's like.
The degree of content changes we had to make were minimal. EVE feels and plays just the same way on Serenity as it does on Tranquility, albeit with less players and with a Chinese UI. We're seeing slow but steady growth in player numbers now as EVE's gameplay style finds greater appeal amongst the Chinese gamers. And no, most of the players are not isk farmers. Rolling Eyes
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Matthew Cooper
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:48:00 -
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Are you suggesting that there is some deeper, more sinister reason for CCP to create the Serenity server, and that the reasons given are some sort of "cover up"? |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:48:00 -
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One more quick comment... someone posted while I was replying. My question has nothing to do w/the two servers colliding. I'm asking why its' so hard for Chinese to play on tranquility like I do. Many want to. The biggest issue... which may have had legit reasons in the past... seems to be a lack of a mechanism to pay CCP every month. Any Chinese can dl EVE and play on tranquility if the ports weren't restricted and he had a way to pay. There seems to be no objection from the gov to them playing there. I've been playin bout a year n pay w/my cc. No one ever asked me if I were Chinese, censored me, or even... as far as I know... noticed me playing except friends n such. So again.... Why Not? |
Delencia Lakat
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:48:00 -
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They banned horror movies. What would keep them from banning an MMORPG hosted outside the country? Hell, their portal sensoring equipment is famous for being able to filter out anything that's got even certain words from websites or instant messaging clients - I can kick my friends off AIM by just saying certain things. Heh... |
Jolliejoe
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:48:00 -
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The reason is simple... The server as it is now can not handle more than 30,000 consistent users on-line without extreme performance problems occuring. You imagine what would happen if 200,000 china men would also enter the server!! |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:50:00 -
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Ya... voted for Hardin as a matter of fact. |
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 12:52:40 Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 12:52:29
Originally by: Red Dhalia One more quick comment... someone posted while I was replying. My question has nothing to do w/the two servers colliding. I'm asking why its' so hard for Chinese to play on tranquility like I do. Many want to. The biggest issue... which may have had legit reasons in the past... seems to be a lack of a mechanism to pay CCP every month. Any Chinese can dl EVE and play on tranquility if the ports weren't restricted and he had a way to pay. There seems to be no objection from the gov to them playing there. I've been playin bout a year n pay w/my cc. No one ever asked me if I were Chinese, censored me, or even... as far as I know... noticed me playing except friends n such. So again.... Why Not?
I know that you did not ask if the servers are colliding - but I was posting what I do know about CCP's reasons for having Serenity and not just allowing Chinese players to sign up directly to TQ, and why Serenity was made for them in the first place. It has to do with the laws the Chinese have, so it's not CCP's fault - they are just trying to not doing anything illegal.
It is for this reason, they need to have a license and run the server IN China, is why CCP doesn't offer a full service to TQ to the Chinese. You and others are connecting to TQ, however I have no idea if thats legal or not, that may be a loophole there - but this is why CCP doesn't make any effort to make it easier for you guys to connect to TQ - because the Chinese government forbids it. |
Matthew Cooper
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:53:00 -
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Also, consider this:
Originally by: Red Dhalia I'm an american
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Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:53:00 -
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Not tryin to be rude here but m amazed at the misconceptions most westerners have about China... They never 'banned' horror movies here. Yes ... they officially said it was not in 'good taste'....
Those are my sister n laws favs for 20 yrs and in the five yrs i've been a resident here have never heard of a prob downloadin any film except ****... which they will lock u up for publicly disseminating....hehe
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jolliejoe The reason is simple... The server as it is now can not handle more than 30,000 consistent users on-line without extreme performance problems occuring. You imagine what would happen if 200,000 china men would also enter the server!!
There server doesn't even have close to that, in fact I believe their server population is like not even a third of TQ's.
The reason is legal, not hardware related. |
gfldex
Kabelkopp
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:55:00 -
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linky
There are a few other bits of legislation but that's the main issue. IIRC there are also issues with customer support that you have to provide in local tongue, what would be a bid hard from Iceland.
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Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 12:58:00 -
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Understand what you put up about the CCP statement and apprciate it.... but the gov does not forbid it and EVE is far from being the only non domestic game myself and others play behind the wall. I played SWG here for 3yrs till SOE honked me off too bad.... I'm familiar with the Chinese site laws because my lawyer and I have gone over them to establish a site for a restaraunt my wife and I are opening here for college students. Some of this stuff may have been valid 5 or more years ago to a degree but so far i've not seen one current valid reason for how things are now... |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:01:00 -
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Service wouldn't be an issue... the whole thing is already translated and many here speak good english and would work the new stuff. And... as I said before my question isn't about the state of Serenity vs Tranquility... its about Chinese playin w/the rest o the world on tranquility as many would like to do. The prob really only seems to be CCP finding a way for m to pay from what I can see. |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:05:05 Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:03:21
Originally by: Red Dhalia Not tryin to be rude here but m amazed at the misconceptions most westerners have about China... They never 'banned' horror movies here. Yes ... they officially said it was not in 'good taste'....
Those are my sister n laws favs for 20 yrs and in the five yrs i've been a resident here have never heard of a prob downloadin any film except ****... which they will lock u up for publicly disseminating....hehe
It's easy to have misconceptions - most Western countries, the US in particular, pretty much consider China as a enemy, of ideas in the least. They are a Communist country afterall, which is the current opposite of Democracy - so they don't mix well.
You could also blame it as an aftereffect of propaganda movements from the long dead past against **** Germany, and eventually Stalin Russia, and ultimately the Soviet Union. Even though these conflicts are dead and over with, there is still tons of anti-communist sentiment. These feelings are overwhelming, and even influence the opinions of regular citizens who never even lived or participated in this old conflicts, or even barely learned anything of it.
One horrible example is that in some cases in the US military, during the Cold War, new troops were literally trained to hate the Russians - an effective training technique, but it has horrible consequences later in the future after these soldiers return back to being civilians. I don't think I have to explain how some of these soldiers will act and treat Russians for the rest of their lives.
That's just one example, though it be a horrible and unfortunate one. Anti-communism is more widespread above all.
I'm not in support of communism or anything - but that's just the fact of things. Decades of propaganda and bad feelings, even when the conflicts are dead and over, still has aftereffects. Even to this day, people that were taught or influenced to hate it, still do - wither or not they're reasons of hate are justified or not; on this topic, feeling overrides reasonable thought. You do not need reasonable thinking in a morale-boosting political/wartime stunt.
I am sure the same things can be said about most communist countries, about how the feel about democracies and capitalism though. It's funny how in a lot of ways, though we have all these differences, we all think, act, and bleed the same exact way.
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Sgt Blade
Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:04:00 -
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i would have to agree with what Red Dhalia is saying though, its abit unfair and well... so many people just don't under stand what China is really like and just take any information they get as fact. Me being Chinese living in the UK I too understand how Red thinks on this issue.
Ive got friends and family who play eve in Mainland China and it would just be alot better if they were able to more easily all come onto the main server. |
Matthew Cooper
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Blade
Ive got friends and family who play eve in Mainland China and it would just be alot better if they were able to more easily all come onto the main server.
Last I heard, CCP doesn't do anything to stop them from doing so? |
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