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Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:09:00 -
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Rock on Blade. When u come bak visit Zhuhai n i'll take ya out to beer n bbq. Fact is if anyone wants to jump into the Chinese language server on Tranquility they will likely find english speaking Chinese from 'behind the wall' playin. They can already play... its just tuff as hell for the average guy w/no foreign cc n such.
P.S. Stay w/mandarin n english... my cantonese sux big time... |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Blade
Originally by: Morgan Lorus Its cuz the chinese laws reduces internet usage. Nothing to do with CCP, its chinas gov. you need to ask.
since when? i know family and friends and even me when i got over to mainland china , we can use the internet as much as we want with no restrictions and for as long as we want. last time i was over there me and my cousin+his friends played CSS for a good 6 hours+.
Well someone previously did say that they live in China and he can't download **** or he'll get arrested. Though the guy your quoting I believe is off - it's a legal matter in terms of how CCP may offer EVE to the Chinese - not the terms of internet useage. I already gave a answer earlier. |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:12:35 I personally would not mind if Chinese players came on TQ - more the merrier - just so long it doesn't create a performance issue. I can see a lot of the Serenity population coming onto TQ and it shouldn't hurt the performance. It might cause some small problems though - so another upgrade probably would be needed before CCP let them on; though it would still be pretty bad at peak times when everyones on at the same time.
Though this would never happen, because it's illegal right now.
Timezone differences, keep in mind. That will act as it's own buffer to make sure the server does not overload. |
Sgt Blade
Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sgt Blade on 13/06/2008 13:13:44
Originally by: Red Dhalia Rock on Blade. When u come bak visit Zhuhai n i'll take ya out to beer n bbq. Fact is if anyone wants to jump into the Chinese language server on Tranquility they will likely find english speaking Chinese from 'behind the wall' playin. They can already play... its just tuff as hell for the average guy w/no foreign cc n such.
P.S. Stay w/mandarin n english... my cantonese sux big time...
haha my Mandarin is pretty much non existent, Cantonese 4tw lol |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:14:00 -
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Dunno who told ya that or why Amastat... but its bs. If he is gonna get arrested it won't be for downloadin a game. As a matter of fact its much harder to get arrested here than the states or europe and a lot fewer cops per capita or folks in jail...hehe. As long as ur not actively seditious against the gov or hurtin folks its pretty hard to get into serious trouble here. |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:15:00 -
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Ok Blade... my wife can translate... she is cantonese n speaks both as well as english |
Sgt Blade
Save Yourself Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia Dunno who told ya that or why Amastat... but its bs. If he is gonna get arrested it won't be for downloadin a game. As a matter of fact its much harder to get arrested here than the states or europe and a lot fewer cops per capita or folks in jail...hehe. As long as ur not actively seditious against the gov or hurtin folks its pretty hard to get into serious trouble here.
yeah seeing you get people in actual shops in the day time selling copyed CDs/DVDs/Games/Music in open veiw and police just walk past im pretty sure getting arrested for downloading stuff over there isn't as big as what it is like over in Europe/America |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:22:51 Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:20:48 Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:19:57 Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:18:41
Originally by: Red Dhalia Dunno who told ya that or why Amastat... but its bs. If he is gonna get arrested it won't be for downloadin a game. As a matter of fact its much harder to get arrested here than the states or europe and a lot fewer cops per capita or folks in jail...hehe. As long as ur not actively seditious against the gov or hurtin folks its pretty hard to get into serious trouble here.
It was actually you who you said that - and I was talking about what you said, I never mentioned anything about DL'ing a game.
Originally by: Red Dhalia Those are my sister n laws favs for 20 yrs and in the five yrs i've been a resident here have never heard of a prob downloadin any film except ****... which they will lock u up for publicly disseminating....hehe
I think your confusing me with the guy I quoted when I was saying someone earlier, you, said you could be arrested for downloading ****.
Originally by: Sgt Blade
Originally by: Morgan Lorus Its cuz the chinese laws reduces internet usage. Nothing to do with CCP, its chinas gov. you need to ask.
since when? i know family and friends and even me when i got over to mainland china , we can use the internet as much as we want with no restrictions and for as long as we want. last time i was over there me and my cousin+his friends played CSS for a good 6 hours+.
That is true that the Chinese know how to *****down on criminals a lot more effectively though. The US has only a fraction of the population China has, yet China has less ongoing crime than the US. Too bad the US doesn't hold a firm-hand like that - wish it was a lot of the time. |
Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 13/06/2008 13:22:38
Originally by: Red Dhalia Dunno who told ya that or why Amastat... but its bs. If he is gonna get arrested it won't be for downloadin a game. As a matter of fact its much harder to get arrested here than the states or europe and a lot fewer cops per capita or folks in jail...hehe. As long as ur not actively seditious against the gov or hurtin folks its pretty hard to get into serious trouble here.
Look man, I understand where you're coming from, there's a lot of anti-chinese sentiment in the world, some of it isn't fair, a lot of it is, but you aren't listening to these people answering your question. CCP have stated that the reason chinese players have their own server, and aren't technically allowed to play on tranquility is due to legal reasons. Whatever you believe it to be incorrect or a misconception, ccp will not allow chinese players to play on tranquility because of some chinese law. No, we don't know what law it is, we're not chinese, perhaps you could tell us what ccp may be talking about. |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:24:00 -
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If I said you'd get arrested for a dl I definitely had at least a bad syntax moment...hehe. But you did say some guy said he'd get arrested for a dl here unless i'm just misreading you. All the misunderstanding aside i'll jus say that a dl is no biggie here n I do appreciate your comments.
Come see me if ur ever here.... u'll love Chinese beer n bbq... best in the world n my fav. |
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Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:28:00 -
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Gojiu... thats what i'm tryin to say. There is no law like that and Chinese already play freely on Tranquility with no prob... if they can find a way to pay CCP.
The issue is not and hasn't been wether they are allowed for some time. I'm trying to get at why CCP can't find a way for the average guy to pay n play. Most Chinese have no access to foreign banking and can't use domestic transfers to pay. But I think thats solvable with timecards or somthin... So why not?.... Again. |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia If I said you'd get arrested for a dl I definitely had at least a bad syntax moment...hehe. But you did say some guy said he'd get arrested for a dl here unless i'm just misreading you. All the misunderstanding aside i'll jus say that a dl is no biggie here n I do appreciate your comments.
Come see me if ur ever here.... u'll love Chinese beer n bbq... best in the world n my fav.
I think your misreading me - read back if you like.
I've never been to China before but It's one of the places I'd like to visit. By blood, I am half Chinese, though I never stepped foot on Chinese soil in my life. I've lived in the US all my life and was raised that way, my Chinese side of the family I've had a... distanced relationship with, so I know little about the culture or tradition.
I am fascinated with a lot of Chinese/Japanese stuff however. I love the art, history, philosophy, etc. It's for this reason I want to visit the countries, and in the very least I've seen videos my father took when he visited China every year. Shanghaii in particular I've seen a lot of, and it seems like quote the place to relax and tour in.
FINALLY - as an American, I GET to be that overly common Asian tourist with the digital camara flooding their streets taking pictures of everything :P |
ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Brunn Edited by: Brunn on 13/06/2008 12:39:40 Edited by: Brunn on 13/06/2008 12:38:53 its really because of sheer numbers and languange barrier.
i've seen it in other games, chinese because of language barrier tend to for chinese speaking only guild and because they outnumber the rest of the world, they tend to dominate. result the rest of the world gets tired and abbandon game, it happened in lots of games...
Chinese invaded Planetside after SOE pulled the plug on the china server for ...who knows what reason. The player base got real sick of the CNs as we know them now. Lets just put it this way, id hate to see a CN titan roll into a fight because he will wtfnuke all friendlies and not so much as scratch a single hostile.
Their superhuman lag didn't help...
Just say no to china,seriously. Anyone that thinks the CNs would be a nice addition to the game has not played PS. The only thing i want from china is the women. and eggfuyoung |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:34:00 -
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Bet u'd like it here guy. Place is great in many ways. Their idea of 'old' makes westerners look like puppies...hehe. For Instance... I like climbing but I can't find a friggin hill or mountain that hasn't had steps carved to the top for one or two thousand years...lol. They just look at me like m nuts n wonder why n the hell I want to climb somethin they stroll to the top for a picnic for. |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:38:00 -
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Ur tuff luck to run into someone who didn't like you as much as u didn't like them. Plenty o westerners just as rude n I never said they aren't people... bad apples n all... but a lot of them are great. Jus sour grapes at gettin ur butt kicked... the russians and others get their own guilds too... so what? Lotta them r good guys too... but u prolly think they are all mafia sex slave traders.
Live n learn... if ya can. |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia Bet u'd like it here guy. Place is great in many ways. Their idea of 'old' makes westerners look like puppies...hehe. For Instance... I like climbing but I can't find a friggin hill or mountain that hasn't had steps carved to the top for one or two thousand years...lol. They just look at me like m nuts n wonder why n the hell I want to climb somethin they stroll to the top for a picnic for.
Yea, the history is incredibly complex, long, and interesting. If you compiled the entire Chinese history, at least the known history, and compared it to the history of most other countries - that book would be incredibly fat compared to all the others - and to think a lot of the pages are still missing.
Some people would find it a organizing subject, due to it being so FREAKING long, but it's really interesting for me. Chinese history can at times be really dramatic and bloody - which really gives it flavor compared to other history. There are periods of prosperity, arts, as well as numerous, bloody, and dramatic wars of epic proportions. |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:43:00 -
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Try readin the Annals of the Three kingdoms or the historical fiction version The Three Kingdoms if you want a real peek at some good stuff. But read the condensed version... only 5 volumes and only covers abut 500 yrs or so as i recall... tells the story of the real life guys who became ancestral gods. Like GuongKon.... the war n merchant god. |
Bartholomeus Crane
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:48:00 -
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It's because if you say something like: "Free Tibet, Taiwan is a separate country, boycott the communist Olympics" (just an example), the communist Chinese government wants to have the option of pulling the Chinese players from the server. Naturally they want to 'protect' their populace from such inconvenient truths. This doesn't work all that well with the server being in the UK, and the UK having something like the right to free speech and all that. Not to mention the Icelandic constitutional position on that. Hence, the server has to be in China, where the Chinese government can easily trample all over the basic rights of their citizenry and spout some more jingoistic propaganda. Subsequently allowing Chinese players to play on the western server would kind of defeat that purpose, now wouldn't it? So, no Chinese players can not join the western server, don't blame CCP, blame the Chinese government. |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:52:00 -
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Read the thread dude... they already play there. Thats not the issue.
Also Amaistat... I read bak... they r filtering the nasty movie word.... I was only talkin about a dl of that specific kind of movie |
Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia Ur tuff luck to run into someone who didn't like you as much as u didn't like them. Plenty o westerners just as rude n I never said they aren't people... bad apples n all... but a lot of them are great. Jus sour grapes at gettin ur butt kicked... the russians and others get their own guilds too... so what? Lotta them r good guys too... but u prolly think they are all mafia sex slave traders.
Live n learn... if ya can.
I'm old enough to know the flaws of generalization and sterotypes. Treat it as a gift I say - most people are too stupid, stubborn, or even insecure to realize this and, well, grow up.
While you can observe and find a trend in a group, though it can at times be absolute fact - you can never say the entire group is this way; this is where the line of thought becomes unbelievably flawed.
Tolerance is really also just as important as being wise and knowledgeable, however I do wish I had more of this at times - still working on it
Though i have been at distance with my fathers side of the family, they are a example of what your talking about. Some of the people in my dad's family were the warmest people I have ever known, warmer even than my mothers side (white). Much warmer honestly, my mothers family tends to be very.... selfish, distance, uncaring in most areas; broken in a lot of ways, my dad's side of the family is very close, though at times careless.
In all honesty I'm distanced from both sides of the family. There are flaws or bad feelings, or act/inaction that were made that I find unforgivable.
My grandmother on my fathers side, well we called her... mi-maw? (long time, forgive me) She was elderly, surprised that woman is still alive, but such a sweet grandmother. I do wish that more members of my family were that waring and caring about other family members, most of them are very selfish, on my moms side in particular. The same could be said about my aunt, and even my own father - I'm talking about my father side though, I can't say anything about warmness and caring on my mothers side...
So all in all - a prime example. There is overwhelming ideas about the Chinese being a cold people, numbed my their government, but that's not true at all. In fact, I would go to say it makes them warm if anything - usually, in any place, if there is some tragedy, or oppressive group, or person, that tends to bring families and people together. Though, i wouldn't go to say the Chinese government is tyrannical - not now it isn't, but the past and history was.
I don't have any current friends that live in China, but those I have talked to usually have a hard time fathoming what it is to hate another family member - unbelievable. This goes to show how bad moral decay in the US is. |
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia Read the thread dude... they already play there. Thats not the issue.
Also Amaistat... I read bak... they r filtering the nasty movie word.... I was only talkin about a dl of that specific kind of movie
I know |
Drizit
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:55:00 -
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Red, you seem to be moaning about something that many of us here would like to see done. SHARDING.
You have a server dedicated to a single country and have very little lag by comparison to TQ. We have to play on one that serves the entire rest of the world and put up with the lag caused by so many players restricted to a single server.
The jealousy that this move invoked was obvious in the forum posts around the time that Serenity was set up. Even those who say they are opposed to sharding went into jealous rages over this move.
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Brunn
Adeptus Astronomica
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia
Live n learn... if ya can.
I lived n I learned, thats why im happy that serenity exits, i'd hate to see eve follow the path one of my former favorite MMO went...
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:59:50 Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 13:59:10 If china is such a humanitarian issue as western society emphasizes it, we should of invaded China to "save" the populous, like we did in Iraq - a long time ago.
However - then again, that is political suicide to invade China, so that may not be the reason why people like Bush haven't wanted to "save" the Chinese people. Invading china would be like waking up a huge hornets nest, and they also have nukes. China has a large enough armed forces to invade most of Asia if they wanted to. If they were such a bad ebil country, they would be asserting that force right now.
I would imagine that a lot of Chinese would be mad ****ed at it though, the majority of them probably like it the way it is and don't want to be saved. ____________________
"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:01:00 -
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Its easy to understand how that happens if you know the Chinese guy. They are warmer, more fun loving, and affectionate on the average than westerners. Nothing is thot wrong if a guy or girl are walkin down the street with arm over shoulder, hand in hand, or arm around wait... either sex... either or. No '***' implications. When they come to the states they immediately learn the cultural 'implications' of this and their own cultural 'face' issue kicks in. They over react so as not to b taken wrong and end up appearing cold n distant cuz they are afraid of what folks would say or think. Many other similar issues. Westerners in China... conversely... are often thot cold, calculating, and unfriendly because they don't touch, kid a lot, and so on...
cei la vie
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Brunn
Originally by: Red Dhalia
Live n learn... if ya can.
I lived n I learned, thats why im happy that serenity exits, i'd hate to see eve follow the path one of my former favorite MMO went...
I second that
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 13/06/2008 14:05:24
Originally by: Drizit Red, you seem to be moaning about something that many of us here would like to see done. SHARDING.
You have a server dedicated to a single country and have very little lag by comparison to TQ. We have to play on one that serves the entire rest of the world and put up with the lag caused by so many players restricted to a single server.
The jealousy that this move invoked was obvious in the forum posts around the time that Serenity was set up. Even those who say they are opposed to sharding went into jealous rages over this move.
No, sharding.... NO.
Don't know who you speak for when you say "many" of us, but i can say in the least - or more, would begin to cancel accounts when sharding happens. Sharding isn't even workable in EVE anyways, it wasn't designed for that, and is completely incompatible atm. They'd have to re-engineer a lot of the game before attempting to **** off a lot of people in that way.
Have you been on there server - do you even know if it lags or not? I can't say I haven't either, but I do know its a lot smaller and weaker than TQ is; so jumping to conclusions to say it runs flawlessly. The server/software is also slightly different to compensate with their populous. If they decided to Shard TQ, they would have to rip apart the hardware and redo a lot of the code and rip the community apart as well. ____________________
"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu |
Red Dhalia
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:05:00 -
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They not only like it the way it is for the most part... they made it that way. Chinese have a 'tea circle' mentality. They don't make much law except for foreigners. They make 'policy'. Then the next power group down makes a more local policy right down to the head of household and even the police respect it. Yes... i can make law in my own house as long as it jives w/policy. They don't vote every four yrs... they have a say every day. Call m communist if ya like but they name govs for convenience and they haven't truly changed the culture or how the country is basically run in thousands of yrs. Go figger.... they like it and aren't hot on changin.
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Cyne Spurr
MacroIntel
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia Bet u'd like it here guy. Place is great in many ways. Their idea of 'old' makes westerners look like puppies...hehe. For Instance... I like climbing but I can't find a friggin hill or mountain that hasn't had steps carved to the top for one or two thousand years...lol. They just look at me like m nuts n wonder why n the hell I want to climb somethin they stroll to the top for a picnic for.
It might surpise you to know that there is not that much of an "age" gap between things in "the West" and China. Within walking distance of my family house are a number of 3000+ year old constructions with one of the largest dating from 4000BC and having evidence of continous habitation and development since then. Hel I used to live just down the road from people who had been shown to of had family members living in that area since 7150 BC.
Not bad for a "puppy"
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.13 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Red Dhalia They not only like it the way it is for the most part... they made it that way. Chinese have a 'tea circle' mentality. They don't make much law except for foreigners. They make 'policy'. Then the next power group down makes a more local policy right down to the head of household and even the police respect it. Yes... i can make law in my own house as long as it jives w/policy. They don't vote every four yrs... they have a say every day. Call m communist if ya like but they name govs for convenience and they haven't truly changed the culture or how the country is basically run in thousands of yrs. Go figger.... they like it and aren't hot on changin.
whats with the CN <3ing??? also since your a commie feel free to give me my fair cut of your stuff and isk. i wont say thanks because your supposed to share. |
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