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Daedale
Altera Odyssea
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.14 17:39:00 -
[31]
+ support
playing only with the MacOS client
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Brutuus Mortuus
Golden Harvest UniCorp
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Posted - 2008.06.14 18:33:00 -
[32]
+ support
[GHUC] Home:
http://crescentmoon.de/eve |
Ngaire Crownes
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Posted - 2008.06.14 18:40:00 -
[33]
/sign
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WarPearl
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Posted - 2008.06.14 18:44:00 -
[34]
support
i dont think ccp wants no mac or linux users. they have the chance to grab all the people yearning for a scifi mmo on those platforms - cause there simply is no other. i cant understand though why they are cutting us so badly by not even giving a slight piece of information.
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Case Reiderer
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Posted - 2008.06.14 19:21:00 -
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+support
I've been seeing Eve advertisements on the website of my local alt-weekly. They're spending thousands of dollars to target local markets like that when they don't even have a (promised, and advertised-) functioning mac/linux client?
Using MBpro exclusively.
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Arithron
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.14 19:25:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Arithron on 14/06/2008 19:26:01
Issues need to benefit the majority of Eve players 
Actually, this issue will benefit the majority of Eve players that use alternate platforms!
I support it!
take care,
Bruce Hansen
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Philippe Ross
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Posted - 2008.06.14 22:01:00 -
[37]
support
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Chai Bora
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2008.06.14 23:37:00 -
[38]
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2008.06.15 00:42:00 -
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I am exclusively Mac OS X based. I don't have the option of playing on a Windows PC.
The irony is I'm posting this from a friend's Windows Vista work laptop which is more than capable of running EVE. Ah, if only I had a few thousand dollars to spend on my gaming habit ;)
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Mahandra Hunter
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Posted - 2008.06.15 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mahandra Hunter on 15/06/2008 01:32:06
+support with bells on.
The level of support and - especially - the level of engagement is an utter disgrace.
I'm sure many of the problems actually lie with the muppets at Transgaming, rather than CCP, but it is not unreasonable to expect clear and regular communication - and for some of the most basic problems to have been resolved.
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Sevarus James
Meridian Dynamics
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.06.15 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 15/06/2008 01:38:08
I'm sorry I didn't catch this one sooner. Call me +support as well. I have been a vocal supporter of the official client over any other approach, but in order to even play properly these days, I too use wine + premium graphics. I'm only looking at the official client to see if it has been patched or not these days.
It is very disturbing to a community of users to see a wellspring of initial excitement and support from developers for new platforms only to later suddenly and mysteriously just shut up and keep quiet when keeping quiet is the absolute WORST thing to be done at the time.
CCP promised that all platforms would be equally supported and that there would be no disparity between clients. Currently and since the release of Trinity there HAS BEEN DISPARITY. No premium graphics OPTION for those who have the hardware is the primary issue, but the technical snafus that have plagued the "official linux/mac clients" are ongoing and NOT on the same field with the dx9 client.
The developers have gone silent on multi-platform support and their co programmers at TG who WERE SUPPOSED to be more vocal in our forums to assist with issues and get feedback have NEVER maintained ANY presence. CCP Whisper and Lingorm have been of some help, but even they fell silent a couple weeks back in the linux forums with nothing forthcoming since then.
Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE |
Amalath Tari
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.15 02:59:00 -
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+Support from me too.
I can only run EVE on Mac, I have no other options.
At times, the issues are so bad that I wonder if it wouldn't be worth it to buy a lightweight gaming rig PC just for EVEà
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The magic behind Minmatar ships is the fact that there is only one type of Minmatar ship. The only variation is when they decide to stop building it. |
fluxkompensator
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:13:00 -
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+1
running under wine in Linux: premium (pve) and classic (pvp). would love to see a native client with native speed.
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Retsil Evad
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:53:00 -
[44]
+support
============== Office use ONLY ==============
BRING BACK EVE TV!!!!!!! |
Gravygoat
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:09:00 -
[45]
CCP,
Please put your heads together with your friends over at Transgaming and come up with a statement as to the status of bug fixes and premium graphics support. I love my Mac, and I love Eve, but right now I don't love Eve on my Mac!
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Flavien Potier
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Posted - 2008.06.15 17:26:00 -
[46]
/sign
Some issue (non working) with voice under Linux keep me locked to windows.
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Screaming Bear
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Posted - 2008.06.15 17:57:00 -
[47]
+support
+seconded
+say on brother preacher
ugh, i want to play. but no, not worth dealing with issues.
ptttttttttttt
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Aidia Nestor
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:42:00 -
[48]
+support
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Steven Sayers
Fluid Group Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.06.16 00:48:00 -
[49]
+support
I'd love to see premium working flawlessly and some information about what's going on.
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Xornicon Altair
Woopatang
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.06.16 01:00:00 -
[50]
/signed
The Red Skull: http://www.eve-syndicate.com/index.php |
Soleramnus
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Posted - 2008.06.16 03:35:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Soleramnus on 16/06/2008 03:38:02
Being a code-minded person myself and seeing the worst in a company workplace when it comes to delivering a product on time, I know firsthand that technology is fickle and may cause unforeseen delays. That's life, and there's no need to critique life.
However, again being a code-minded person who knows what it takes to develop a technological product (whether internet-born, platform-born, or both), I also know that technology works on ones and zeros. In the end, it either works or it doesn't; but it doesn't work in shades of gray. There's only one place in the development process where there's a shade of gray, and that's meatspaceùthe human factor.
In short, there can be reasons for delays. There can be reasons for misadvertised products. There can even be reasons for things to be cancelled after they've been announcedùeven though none of this may be "good," it's sometimes the nature of business in technology, even though it may betray a lack of forethought and planning. All these things, even with the lack of forethought, I can stomach, believe it or not. But as the OP said, the major problem is not the technology: it's not keeping the community informed.
Whether CCP liked it or not, they committed to the Mac and Linux community for delivering their product when they announced it, made the client downloadable for Mac and Linux, and got the EVE logo on Apple's growing games homepage. Even if it was a handoff job to Transgaming, CCP's customers still look to CCP for product support and updates, especially if the product is half baked (which it was when it was released, and still is now to an extent, mostly due to the lack of Premium graphics). They want to know how it's baking, even if CCP can't say when it'll be done, whether or not it's due to their development process or Transgaming's.
Maybe our woes are the fault of Transgaming saying they could port the client, but not realizing the full extent of the project they faced. Maybe it was CCP being too willing to hand over their product while believing an outside job could do things to their standards. I'm just shooting in the darkùbut honestly, I have no way to know otherwise. I'm fully willing to blame Transgaming for the bugs in the client and the delays. I'm fully willing to wait a year for Premium graphics if I have to. But I have no way of knowing.
And in the end, that "not knowing" is not an issue of technology, or not being able to turns ones into zeros. That's the human factor not living up to its own declared standards, past promises, and apologies. It's a lack of devblogs and a lack of forum posts. It is not a "kink" in the development process. It is, strictly speaking, unprofessional. And it is unprofessional because it is unnecessary.
Agree with the OP 100%. Exclusive MacBook Pro user. Tell us the status of your product, and our purchase.
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Schakal Voes
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Posted - 2008.06.16 04:45:00 -
[52]
+ support
and here's my solution and it's pretty straight forward: I've just canceled my account, not without a salty comment about the matter.
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Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:34:00 -
[53]
+Support
Personally I don't care if we don't get the premium graphics I'd just like the Mac client to get the same performance as the Windows one - approx 30 FPS using Mac client while the same computer achieves FPS in triple figures once booted into windows. 
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Flame Hawk
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:52:00 -
[54]
+ Support
My rant:
I am pretty sure that the players of eve allow the game to continue, I know I keep paying someone each month and I assume it goes to CCP... and yet they still don't give us any news whatsoever about the Mac premium graphics or fixes, which I think is pretty damn rude... I didn't create the promises that we would have premium graphics on Mac by the first 1/4 of 2008, but if I did I would at least explain why I didn't give what was promised...
This is getting pathetic in my opinion, do we really have to beg CCP to give us news? The game is advertised on the Apple web site, so I will believe for now that CCP want us to play the game... Can we maybe get confirmation of that first and then go from there, if you want us to be involved in Eve Online, and the delay is/isn't your fault Mr CCP, then just tell us!
Many thanks!
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:57:00 -
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I personally still can't understand that this thread (this one in special) and the others on the Macintosh side have been going on for a while, and even this thread is already 2-pages long...and yet....no response from CCP. 
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CEO Skillz
KINSHIP Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:04:00 -
[56]
++signed
--sig |
Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Xenuchrist on 16/06/2008 16:16:14
This.
"In human stupidity, when it is not malicious, there is something very touching, even beautiful... There always is." /Tolstoy |
Memkani
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:41:00 -
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As I've mentioned on the Mac forum, the only solution to get their attention is for people to stop paying. If you continue to pay there is no incentive for them to even bother acknowledging as is evident. As much as you like to play EVE you either deal with being ignored, shut-up, or quit playing. I do not care to deal with companies who blatantly ignore their customers.
There obviously has been some sort of request that nobody at CCP reply to this issue otherwise someone would have by now. People at CCP who have responded to these issues in the past like CCP Whisper is absent even though he had stated in a previous post months ago that he was sorry for the lack of communication and would not let it happen again.
The only way you are going to get the same performance on Mac or Linux is to have a native app. Other companies have done it for their games, such as World of Warcraft, but considering CCP appears to be a windows-only house this is not likely to happen.
My gut feeling is is the reason why we have not heard about the Premium support on Mac is because it was determined that it is either technically not possible, or the hardware requirements are too high. The FPS rate is already bad enough with "classic" graphics, what do you think "premium" graphics would do??? I can boot into Vista via Boot Camp on my Mac Pro but as I've said earlier, I do not wish to support a company who ignores its customers.
Memkani, 10mil+ SP
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Aratroth Rangorn
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:44:00 -
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+Support
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:35:00 -
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The reason that EVE can't be ported to Mac/Linux natively is because the underlying graphics engine uses DirectX. The engine would have to be completely rewritten in OpenGL, which I don't see happening any time in the near future. Honestly, I don't really care about official support of EVE for Linux or Mac. I don't use a Mac, I don't see myself ever using a Mac, and the people that do have to accept the fact that interoperability is a (serious) downside of owning a Mac. I do use Linux however, and I don't have any problems with playing EVE through WINE, and I don't see this ever changing.
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