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Kesper North
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:46:00 -
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[ISSUE] CCP has not updated the Mac and Linux communities on the status of development on their clients since the Trinity 1.1 release and has missed several self-imposed delivery dates for a Premium Content client for those platforms, yet has still not let the community know when they can be expected or whether development is even ongoing.
[PROBLEM] I am one of a number of people who only started playing EVE because the Mac and Linux clients were made available. I no longer use those clients exclusively, but they are still the most easily available platforms for me. Unfortunately, I and many other users of those clients are growing increasingly frustrated with the complete lack of communication from CCP on the status of:
1) The "disco box" bug, in which the starfield is replaced with random visual noise that often requires the client to be restarted to clear and is almost painful to look at
2) The F11 inset map being filled with static
3) Frequent crashes that often require the computer to be rebooted in order to launch the EVE client once again
4) And of course, our own Premium Content client, which CCP originally promised to deliver in the first quarter of 2008, then later said would be delivered with the Empyrean Age expansion.
Now, it's totally understandable that there be some issues. CCP is not familliar with either of these platforms, the clients are new, and it's not the primary focus on their user base. The *problem* is that CCP has not been forthcoming about the status of these issues. Many users in the Mac community are beginning to wonder if CCP has silently halted development on the non-Windows clients. We have repeatedly requested status updates in the forums, and have gotten no response. Furthermore, many of us were greatly disappointed to see that there were NO OS-specific bug fixes in the Release Notes. I haven't encountered the Disco Box since the EA update, but the F11 map is definitely still broken, and the client crashes as much as it ever did.
POSSIBLE SOLUTION: Therefore, I beseech the Council of Stellar Management to take up our case. We're not asking you to browbeat CCP into fixing these issues. We'd be happy just to have *some idea* of what's going on. If the answer is "CCP does not feel that the Mac and Linux user base is valuable enough to continue client development on those platforms", well, that's fine. We just want to know so we can go on with our lives. And if the answer is "CCP is actively working on OSX and Linux client development", that's great! But we'd really, really like to hear how that's going. And not just how it's going now -- we'd like to continue to get regular status updates. This silence is upsetting the community more than being told "no" to our requests would. It's making us feel like CCP doesn't even care enough about us to tell us that it doesn't value us as customers. Please, CSMs, ask CCP to tell us what's happening and where we go from here.
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Kesper North
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:46:00 -
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[ISSUE] CCP has not updated the Mac and Linux communities on the status of development on their clients since the Trinity 1.1 release and has missed several self-imposed delivery dates for a Premium Content client for those platforms, yet has still not let the community know when they can be expected or whether development is even ongoing.
[PROBLEM] I am one of a number of people who only started playing EVE because the Mac and Linux clients were made available. I no longer use those clients exclusively, but they are still the most easily available platforms for me. Unfortunately, I and many other users of those clients are growing increasingly frustrated with the complete lack of communication from CCP on the status of:
1) The "disco box" bug, in which the starfield is replaced with random visual noise that often requires the client to be restarted to clear and is almost painful to look at
2) The F11 inset map being filled with static
3) Frequent crashes that often require the computer to be rebooted in order to launch the EVE client once again
4) And of course, our own Premium Content client, which CCP originally promised to deliver in the first quarter of 2008, then later said would be delivered with the Empyrean Age expansion.
Now, it's totally understandable that there be some issues. CCP is not familliar with either of these platforms, the clients are new, and it's not the primary focus on their user base. The *problem* is that CCP has not been forthcoming about the status of these issues. Many users in the Mac community are beginning to wonder if CCP has silently halted development on the non-Windows clients. We have repeatedly requested status updates in the forums, and have gotten no response. Furthermore, many of us were greatly disappointed to see that there were NO OS-specific bug fixes in the Release Notes. I haven't encountered the Disco Box since the EA update, but the F11 map is definitely still broken, and the client crashes as much as it ever did.
POSSIBLE SOLUTION: Therefore, I beseech the Council of Stellar Management to take up our case. We're not asking you to browbeat CCP into fixing these issues. We'd be happy just to have *some idea* of what's going on. If the answer is "CCP does not feel that the Mac and Linux user base is valuable enough to continue client development on those platforms", well, that's fine. We just want to know so we can go on with our lives. And if the answer is "CCP is actively working on OSX and Linux client development", that's great! But we'd really, really like to hear how that's going. And not just how it's going now -- we'd like to continue to get regular status updates. This silence is upsetting the community more than being told "no" to our requests would. It's making us feel like CCP doesn't even care enough about us to tell us that it doesn't value us as customers. Please, CSMs, ask CCP to tell us what's happening and where we go from here.
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Hastur DragonTooth
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Hastur DragonTooth on 13/06/2008 21:52:45
+Support
Communication is a good thing, especially when the same bugs and instabilities exist through 3 patch releases and delivery dates for the promised premium client slip. It's understandable that CCP has to rely on Transgaming as part of the development equation. We'd just like a developer to at least say something. The silence is frustrating to say the least. |
Pivalak
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:59:00 -
[4]
Edited by: Pivalak on 13/06/2008 21:59:52
+Support |
Toriel Loranor
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:59:00 -
[5]
+support
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Ryel Theon
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:04:00 -
[6]
Completely agreed. I'm a multi-platform player and I am frustrated at the lack of communication from CCP about the status of Mac client in particular. Just give us a realistic road map that you'll stick to or tell us you're ending support. Although with the Macmarket share up around 10% that's potentially a pretty large user base.
I support Kesper's request for the CSM to assist in moving this issue forward with CCP. |
Dark Klotz
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:06:00 -
[7]
+Support
A lot of players are multi-platform players and the lack of support for the client at this point is sad. |
Baron Erique
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:18:00 -
[8]
+1
CCP has time to talk with Apple News sites, but not with their paying customers? |
Judinous
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:26:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Judinous on 13/06/2008 22:25:59
supporting this |
Tesseract d'Urberville
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:36:00 -
[10]
Most definitely. Give my Mac some love?
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Thomas Hardy is going to eat your brains. |
Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:41:00 -
[11]
Consider this on this list. It won't make it to Iceland I'm affraid, too late for that, but it's in the pipeline. And if there's time to spare in the meetings, I'll try to squeeze a comment out of them. 
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Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
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Sealclubber Jones
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:44:00 -
[12]
There is a laundry list of issues with the Cedega Linux client, to the point that anyone not running EVE under Wine is just silly. Please either provide better hooks for Wine or get someone competent working on the Official Client.
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Slapdash McGinty
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:45:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Slapdash McGinty on 13/06/2008 22:45:18
yes
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Shakari Sween
Space Oddysey
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:17:00 -
[14]
I was originaly going to switch fully to linix when I heard of eve going to it. But atm I find its just not worth it.
Would love to hear more about it! |
Kitoba
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:23:00 -
[15]
In fact, I tend to believe that noone at CCP itself uses non-windows clients in any way whatsoever. You know why.
Screenshots are still broken, and the amount of data generated by the log options is just a very, very bad joke. I can't spare a terabyte for a game session. It starts by force-installing the client into ~/.cedega (!!) and goes over graphics card drivers being blamed for crude bugs in the directx layer to utter incompetence regarding multi-platform support.
I guess they should just license the directx layer from cedega and build a native client using it.
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:47:00 -
[16]
POSSIBLE SOLUTION: Talk to Codeweavers. They're already officially supporting EVE, and all improvements made by Codeweavers go back into WINE. Win-Win-Win imho.
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Tim Polich
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:50:00 -
[17]
+ support
go linux
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.14 02:40:00 -
[18]
/signed
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FREE Explorer
Lead Megalomanic
EVE Automated Influence Map |
Ravow
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:04:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Ravow on 14/06/2008 03:07:16
./signed
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Captain Narmio
Baptism oF Fire
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:16:00 -
[20]
 Originally by: Kesper North
1) The "disco box" bug, in which the starfield is replaced with random visual noise that often requires the client to be restarted to clear and is almost painful to look at
I'd just like to say that I love this bug, being inside a gigantic cube of brightly coloured static with the occasional distorted module picture is awesome. Especially if you think the brightly coloured nebula backgrounds are occasionally a bit too much already. This'll open your mind.
On a more serious poast note, premium content would be nice against my disco backdrop. It's a difficult task and one that understandably isn't a huge priority issue, given the percentages of the player base involved, but I'd really like to hear some news on where it's at.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.06.14 06:21:00 -
[21]
Although the client runs without much problem on my MBP, I'd still like better updates from CCP/Transgaming.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.14 07:02:00 -
[22]
+ support
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.06.14 07:40:00 -
[23]
I wrote a submission template for this issue based on another thread.
It will hopefully be voted on at next chance we have.
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Pak Narhoo
Pacific Starfleet Command
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Posted - 2008.06.14 09:36:00 -
[24]
2 thumbs up from me.
Originally by: Mr Cleann
When I mine. I like to mine in peace. Not in pieces.
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Bogu D
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Posted - 2008.06.14 11:16:00 -
[25]
+support
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Beann Loant
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.06.14 11:59:00 -
[26]
+support
It seems like CCP's Mac/Linux department has been on vacation for the last month.
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Yastin Mallen
Pleasure and Pain
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.14 12:05:00 -
[27]
+ support
(Playing exclusively on Mac)
- Y
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2008.06.14 12:19:00 -
[28]
would love to play with premium graphics
guide to game time codes |
M1AU
Rheintal Underground Rising
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Posted - 2008.06.14 16:17:00 -
[29]
+support
(exclusively using the linux client)
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matt way
Southern Cross Incorporated
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.14 17:28:00 -
[30]
+support
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Daedale
Altera Odyssea
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.14 17:39:00 -
[31]
+ support
playing only with the MacOS client
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Brutuus Mortuus
Golden Harvest UniCorp
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Posted - 2008.06.14 18:33:00 -
[32]
+ support
[GHUC] Home:
http://crescentmoon.de/eve |
Ngaire Crownes
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Posted - 2008.06.14 18:40:00 -
[33]
/sign
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WarPearl
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Posted - 2008.06.14 18:44:00 -
[34]
support
i dont think ccp wants no mac or linux users. they have the chance to grab all the people yearning for a scifi mmo on those platforms - cause there simply is no other. i cant understand though why they are cutting us so badly by not even giving a slight piece of information.
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Case Reiderer
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Posted - 2008.06.14 19:21:00 -
[35]
+support
I've been seeing Eve advertisements on the website of my local alt-weekly. They're spending thousands of dollars to target local markets like that when they don't even have a (promised, and advertised-) functioning mac/linux client?
Using MBpro exclusively.
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Arithron
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.14 19:25:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Arithron on 14/06/2008 19:26:01
Issues need to benefit the majority of Eve players
Actually, this issue will benefit the majority of Eve players that use alternate platforms!
I support it!
take care,
Bruce Hansen
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Philippe Ross
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Posted - 2008.06.14 22:01:00 -
[37]
support
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Chai Bora
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2008.06.14 23:37:00 -
[38]
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2008.06.15 00:42:00 -
[39]
I am exclusively Mac OS X based. I don't have the option of playing on a Windows PC.
The irony is I'm posting this from a friend's Windows Vista work laptop which is more than capable of running EVE. Ah, if only I had a few thousand dollars to spend on my gaming habit ;)
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Mahandra Hunter
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Posted - 2008.06.15 01:29:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Mahandra Hunter on 15/06/2008 01:32:06
+support with bells on.
The level of support and - especially - the level of engagement is an utter disgrace.
I'm sure many of the problems actually lie with the muppets at Transgaming, rather than CCP, but it is not unreasonable to expect clear and regular communication - and for some of the most basic problems to have been resolved.
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Sevarus James
Meridian Dynamics
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.06.15 01:37:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Sevarus James on 15/06/2008 01:38:08
I'm sorry I didn't catch this one sooner. Call me +support as well. I have been a vocal supporter of the official client over any other approach, but in order to even play properly these days, I too use wine + premium graphics. I'm only looking at the official client to see if it has been patched or not these days.
It is very disturbing to a community of users to see a wellspring of initial excitement and support from developers for new platforms only to later suddenly and mysteriously just shut up and keep quiet when keeping quiet is the absolute WORST thing to be done at the time.
CCP promised that all platforms would be equally supported and that there would be no disparity between clients. Currently and since the release of Trinity there HAS BEEN DISPARITY. No premium graphics OPTION for those who have the hardware is the primary issue, but the technical snafus that have plagued the "official linux/mac clients" are ongoing and NOT on the same field with the dx9 client.
The developers have gone silent on multi-platform support and their co programmers at TG who WERE SUPPOSED to be more vocal in our forums to assist with issues and get feedback have NEVER maintained ANY presence. CCP Whisper and Lingorm have been of some help, but even they fell silent a couple weeks back in the linux forums with nothing forthcoming since then.
Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE |
Amalath Tari
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.15 02:59:00 -
[42]
+Support from me too.
I can only run EVE on Mac, I have no other options.
At times, the issues are so bad that I wonder if it wouldn't be worth it to buy a lightweight gaming rig PC just for EVEà
ùùùùùùùùùùùùùùùSigùùùùùùùùùùùùùù
The magic behind Minmatar ships is the fact that there is only one type of Minmatar ship. The only variation is when they decide to stop building it. |
fluxkompensator
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:13:00 -
[43]
+1
running under wine in Linux: premium (pve) and classic (pvp). would love to see a native client with native speed.
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Retsil Evad
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:53:00 -
[44]
+support
============== Office use ONLY ==============
BRING BACK EVE TV!!!!!!! |
Gravygoat
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:09:00 -
[45]
CCP,
Please put your heads together with your friends over at Transgaming and come up with a statement as to the status of bug fixes and premium graphics support. I love my Mac, and I love Eve, but right now I don't love Eve on my Mac!
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Flavien Potier
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Posted - 2008.06.15 17:26:00 -
[46]
/sign
Some issue (non working) with voice under Linux keep me locked to windows.
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Screaming Bear
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Posted - 2008.06.15 17:57:00 -
[47]
+support
+seconded
+say on brother preacher
ugh, i want to play. but no, not worth dealing with issues.
ptttttttttttt
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Aidia Nestor
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:42:00 -
[48]
+support
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Steven Sayers
Fluid Group Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.06.16 00:48:00 -
[49]
+support
I'd love to see premium working flawlessly and some information about what's going on.
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Xornicon Altair
Woopatang
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.06.16 01:00:00 -
[50]
/signed
The Red Skull: http://www.eve-syndicate.com/index.php |
Soleramnus
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Posted - 2008.06.16 03:35:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Soleramnus on 16/06/2008 03:38:02
Being a code-minded person myself and seeing the worst in a company workplace when it comes to delivering a product on time, I know firsthand that technology is fickle and may cause unforeseen delays. That's life, and there's no need to critique life.
However, again being a code-minded person who knows what it takes to develop a technological product (whether internet-born, platform-born, or both), I also know that technology works on ones and zeros. In the end, it either works or it doesn't; but it doesn't work in shades of gray. There's only one place in the development process where there's a shade of gray, and that's meatspaceùthe human factor.
In short, there can be reasons for delays. There can be reasons for misadvertised products. There can even be reasons for things to be cancelled after they've been announcedùeven though none of this may be "good," it's sometimes the nature of business in technology, even though it may betray a lack of forethought and planning. All these things, even with the lack of forethought, I can stomach, believe it or not. But as the OP said, the major problem is not the technology: it's not keeping the community informed.
Whether CCP liked it or not, they committed to the Mac and Linux community for delivering their product when they announced it, made the client downloadable for Mac and Linux, and got the EVE logo on Apple's growing games homepage. Even if it was a handoff job to Transgaming, CCP's customers still look to CCP for product support and updates, especially if the product is half baked (which it was when it was released, and still is now to an extent, mostly due to the lack of Premium graphics). They want to know how it's baking, even if CCP can't say when it'll be done, whether or not it's due to their development process or Transgaming's.
Maybe our woes are the fault of Transgaming saying they could port the client, but not realizing the full extent of the project they faced. Maybe it was CCP being too willing to hand over their product while believing an outside job could do things to their standards. I'm just shooting in the darkùbut honestly, I have no way to know otherwise. I'm fully willing to blame Transgaming for the bugs in the client and the delays. I'm fully willing to wait a year for Premium graphics if I have to. But I have no way of knowing.
And in the end, that "not knowing" is not an issue of technology, or not being able to turns ones into zeros. That's the human factor not living up to its own declared standards, past promises, and apologies. It's a lack of devblogs and a lack of forum posts. It is not a "kink" in the development process. It is, strictly speaking, unprofessional. And it is unprofessional because it is unnecessary.
Agree with the OP 100%. Exclusive MacBook Pro user. Tell us the status of your product, and our purchase.
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Schakal Voes
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Posted - 2008.06.16 04:45:00 -
[52]
+ support
and here's my solution and it's pretty straight forward: I've just canceled my account, not without a salty comment about the matter.
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Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:34:00 -
[53]
+Support
Personally I don't care if we don't get the premium graphics I'd just like the Mac client to get the same performance as the Windows one - approx 30 FPS using Mac client while the same computer achieves FPS in triple figures once booted into windows. 
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Flame Hawk
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:52:00 -
[54]
+ Support
My rant:
I am pretty sure that the players of eve allow the game to continue, I know I keep paying someone each month and I assume it goes to CCP... and yet they still don't give us any news whatsoever about the Mac premium graphics or fixes, which I think is pretty damn rude... I didn't create the promises that we would have premium graphics on Mac by the first 1/4 of 2008, but if I did I would at least explain why I didn't give what was promised...
This is getting pathetic in my opinion, do we really have to beg CCP to give us news? The game is advertised on the Apple web site, so I will believe for now that CCP want us to play the game... Can we maybe get confirmation of that first and then go from there, if you want us to be involved in Eve Online, and the delay is/isn't your fault Mr CCP, then just tell us!
Many thanks!
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:57:00 -
[55]
I personally still can't understand that this thread (this one in special) and the others on the Macintosh side have been going on for a while, and even this thread is already 2-pages long...and yet....no response from CCP. 
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CEO Skillz
KINSHIP Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:04:00 -
[56]
++signed
--sig |
Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:16:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Xenuchrist on 16/06/2008 16:16:14
This.
"In human stupidity, when it is not malicious, there is something very touching, even beautiful... There always is." /Tolstoy |
Memkani
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:41:00 -
[58]
As I've mentioned on the Mac forum, the only solution to get their attention is for people to stop paying. If you continue to pay there is no incentive for them to even bother acknowledging as is evident. As much as you like to play EVE you either deal with being ignored, shut-up, or quit playing. I do not care to deal with companies who blatantly ignore their customers.
There obviously has been some sort of request that nobody at CCP reply to this issue otherwise someone would have by now. People at CCP who have responded to these issues in the past like CCP Whisper is absent even though he had stated in a previous post months ago that he was sorry for the lack of communication and would not let it happen again.
The only way you are going to get the same performance on Mac or Linux is to have a native app. Other companies have done it for their games, such as World of Warcraft, but considering CCP appears to be a windows-only house this is not likely to happen.
My gut feeling is is the reason why we have not heard about the Premium support on Mac is because it was determined that it is either technically not possible, or the hardware requirements are too high. The FPS rate is already bad enough with "classic" graphics, what do you think "premium" graphics would do??? I can boot into Vista via Boot Camp on my Mac Pro but as I've said earlier, I do not wish to support a company who ignores its customers.
Memkani, 10mil+ SP
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Aratroth Rangorn
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:44:00 -
[59]
+Support
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:35:00 -
[60]
The reason that EVE can't be ported to Mac/Linux natively is because the underlying graphics engine uses DirectX. The engine would have to be completely rewritten in OpenGL, which I don't see happening any time in the near future. Honestly, I don't really care about official support of EVE for Linux or Mac. I don't use a Mac, I don't see myself ever using a Mac, and the people that do have to accept the fact that interoperability is a (serious) downside of owning a Mac. I do use Linux however, and I don't have any problems with playing EVE through WINE, and I don't see this ever changing.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:23:00 -
[61]
Then they should't officially support macs. Simple, but they are ranting in Apple news etc. that here you have a great game, but forget to mention that if you have problems or issues with the game...there will be no answer. There will be no communication. There won't be ANYTHING that mac-users have been used to. Top-level customer satisfaction.
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riru
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Posted - 2008.06.16 21:21:00 -
[62]
+support
I'm pretty sure Premium for linux and mac will soon come once Transgaming has made SwiftShaders better (When Cedega 6.1 final is released.)
But I guess we'd need info from ccp/tg to actually know it.
Gao~ |
Jefofo
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.17 03:38:00 -
[63]
Supporting, I like this game a lot and there has been improvements to the stability of the client, but there's still tons of problems, lack of communication (it seems) and whatnot.
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Case Reiderer
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Posted - 2008.06.17 07:15:00 -
[64]
+support, since I forgot to check the box......
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.06.17 08:09:00 -
[65]
I support this in principle, but I've got to say that if you're using Linux you should know better. Wine runs Eve much much better than Cedega (the wrapper for the 'true' Linux client), and after only a few weeks when the Windows Premium Client was released, it was stable on Linux. If you use Linux, you should know this
Mac users, on the other hand, tend to be more like Windows users, and don't care. Plus, they don't really have Wine (I think there is a version, but it's buggy as hell.)
I'd like to point out though that Cedega is <i>not</i> the best choice, nor has it ever been. Some users used to have Cedega installed already - a full version of it - and when you install the Linux Eve Client it nukes everything on your base install, because Cedega weren't even clever enough to use different directories (it's all in ~/.cedega iirc).
If CCP were to support Wine instead of Cedega, they would have one less client to worry about, and one less partner to worry about (at least for Linux). This would mean a faster development cycle.
Also, there is an ideological viewpoint. Cedega is well known for ripping off the latest versions of Wine, altering a few things, and then selling it on without contributing back to Wine - without which it wouldn't be around. I don't like that or support it. If CCP went down the Wine route, they could at least help Wine make Wine better, thus making Eve better.
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Skyynxnex
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Posted - 2008.06.17 10:10:00 -
[66]
+support
i use the mac client exclusivl and i have to say that it crashes just as much as it did before and it is in CCP's best interest to keep mac and linux users playing the game by insuring its quality is maintained
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Thenin
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Posted - 2008.06.17 10:59:00 -
[67]
+support
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Suffen
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Posted - 2008.06.18 00:48:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Suffen on 18/06/2008 00:56:44
support +1
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Witztum Carnyx
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Posted - 2008.06.18 07:54:00 -
[69]
+ Support. 101%
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Serge Merov
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Posted - 2008.06.18 08:48:00 -
[70]
+support
I run EVE on a mac. I don't want to have to deal with the pain put into using windows, or the effort into linux. So am I damned to face a hypocritical programming team who only claim to support my favored platform? Because if that's the case, I'd much rather spend my time and money on people who actually respond to minorities in their user base, which, may I point out, CCP sadly has not.
Yes, yes, I know the difficulties of programming a new graphics engine, if it is even required here. I know the difficulty of recreating models in an entirely different format. I also know the difficulty of making a simple forum post. I sincerely hope that this silence is only temporary, and that someone, somewhere, will finally get off their lazy ass and at least make a comment regarding how this is going. Because this is really getting annoying... |
Yosarian
MediaCataclysm
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:22:00 -
[71]
Mac client has been more stable for me lately (so thank you ccp for that).
wtb Premium Graphics... :)
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Marc Isabel
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Posted - 2008.06.18 12:26:00 -
[72]
I support this :)
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Hagis McBree
Lucky Star Enterprises
The Gemini Project
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Posted - 2008.06.18 15:31:00 -
[73]
jumping on the bandwagon
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Greyhair
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:30:00 -
[74]
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Dru McCarty
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Posted - 2008.06.18 20:00:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Dru McCarty on 18/06/2008 20:01:16
Agreed! God save the Penguin!
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Archir
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:55:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Archir on 18/06/2008 21:55:21
+support
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Synapse Archae
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.19 02:40:00 -
[77]
/support. I will be using the linux client in time.
- - - Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Aurinkokuningas
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:51:00 -
[78]
Windows is a thing of the past. Proper 64-bit Linux allows me to use the computer without distractions (Vista's constant popup & dialog hell *cough* *cough*), more efficiently, and more conveniently. Please, give us a proper native 64-bit Linux client with Premium graphics and all. Consider abandoning the Windows as well while at it :)
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Asif BADKARMA
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 14:09:00 -
[79]
singed,
more information please 
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jansaell
Phoenix Industries
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 15:08:00 -
[80]
+ Suport from me to.
I have been using various versions of eve under Linux now for over a year, and have found that the 0.58 of wine works perfectly for me with premium graphics. But that still don't take away from the fact that CCP need to keep us informed.
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Captain Ziltoid
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Posted - 2008.06.20 19:36:00 -
[81]
+Support
I run EVE fine enough to mine on Linux, but I wouldn't consider risking a boat in a mission. Every time I return to station to dump my load, I change res and change back just because it seems to help refresh the graphics glitches I get.
Sound also cuts in and out a lot.
EVE runs on Linux, it just needs to be streamlined and improved.
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Dwindlehop
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2008.06.20 20:59:00 -
[82]
+Support
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Dwindlehop
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:00:00 -
[83]
+support
this time for real.
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.06.21 17:51:00 -
[84]
This issue has been addressed, and there is good news coming for this topic next week.
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Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
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Jin Takamura
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Posted - 2008.06.22 18:26:00 -
[85]
+Support anyhow.
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Katrina Bekers
Hikage Corporation
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:48:00 -
[86]
As the original issue, I don't care very much about actual software and development support. WINE is and will be still better than any possible closed-source ripoff.
What I'd love is proper customer communication.
Not fancy-dandy, buzzword-filled, trade fair brochure lookalikes. I don't need to know about any "exciting new synergies to implement our global vision" and other Dilbertisms like that.
Just be open and honest with your customers, and we will deeply appreciate even the bad news.
We can always fix our software.
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Kate :: HKG :: PXF |
Kesper North
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:01:00 -
[87]
FYI, folks, one of the developers posted over on the Mac forum to say that there would be a dev blog about this some time this week, regarding the beginnings of a limited beta test for the Premium clients.
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Chillshock
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Posted - 2008.06.28 17:40:00 -
[88]
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Psychotic Penguin
Penguin Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.28 23:27:00 -
[89]
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Mahandra Hunter
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Posted - 2008.07.18 12:29:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Posted - 21/06/2008 17:51:00 This issue has been addressed, and there is good news coming for this topic next week.
*Notes date of post.*
*Looks at calendar.*
*Wonders how long week is to CCP*
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.07.18 12:41:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Mahandra Hunter
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Posted - 21/06/2008 17:51:00 This issue has been addressed, and there is good news coming for this topic next week.
*Notes date of post.*
*Looks at calendar.*
*Wonders how long week is to CCP*
hahaha good one :-)
+support
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CSM: your support is needed ! |
Alz Shado
Ever Flow
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.07.18 21:06:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Alz Shado on 18/07/2008 21:07:37
Originally by: Mahandra Hunter
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Posted - 21/06/2008 17:51:00 This issue has been addressed, and there is good news coming for this topic next week.
*Notes date of post.*
*Looks at calendar.*
*Wonders how long week is to CCP*
Well, a year on Jupiter is twelve years on Earth, so a week there would be about three months here. If CCP were on Jupiter, then we should expect a response in about two more months.
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Illwill Bill
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.08.02 20:39:00 -
[93]
This.
____________________
Originally by: CCP Saint
Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
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Aiko Intaki
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Posted - 2008.08.02 20:51:00 -
[94]
This is particularly troublesome in light of Ambulation.
Is the communication going to be equally dismal for that?
Can we expect the same moving deadlines we've seen on Trinity?
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Grainjer
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:48:00 -
[95]
Well, I play on a mac exclusively, and as a subscriber I've been expecting Premium to appear.
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J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:34:00 -
[96]
I play on my PC, but my wife plays on our Mac and she has experienced a number of very annoying and game breaking bugs with the client. I support this; all we want is a little open communication.
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Ancy Denaries
Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.09.23 09:11:00 -
[97]
Supported for me as well.
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.09.23 09:14:00 -
[98]
Is this a still ongoing issue? I must admit my mac client works fine for being in station.
I'm interested in hearing what you guys think.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.09.23 09:17:00 -
[99]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Is this a still ongoing issue? I must admit my mac client works fine for being in station.
I'm interested in hearing what you guys think.
I don't know ... the Linux client won't even install properly for me :-)
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CSM: your support is needed ! |
Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.09.23 09:21:00 -
[100]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Is this a still ongoing issue? I must admit my mac client works fine for being in station.
I'm interested in hearing what you guys think.
Premium Graphics do not work in any of the Mac/Linux clients. Thats one issue. Another issue is that the Official Client is a hopscotch work that installs in ~/.cedega (wtf?), corrupts any Cedega you might already have there (I used to have Cedega before I went to wine) and also sports significantly and measurable lower performance and less flexibility than corresponding wine client, or of course, the native Windows version.
So in my eyes, YES, it's still an ongoing issue.
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
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