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Pallas Minervo
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Posted - 2008.06.15 07:04:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Athon NooB
Originally by: Pallas Minervo
Most pirates can fly caps... so this is going to escalate quickly. I'm still waiting on a pirate mothership to start plowing through fields of frigs and cruisers with officer smarties.
A surprising number of militia pilots are long time vets...or at least their alts. Do you think there are not caps and super caps in the militia fleets, more worrying, with people that know how to use them?
T1 ships are fun, but if the fleet's average ship size escalates, then they escalate. Still fun, just bigger booms!!!
The real point was that this is going to escalate into massive blob-warfare, just like 0.0. Which is fine, except that it's going to lag like a mofo, just like in 0.0 and people are going to stop because they don't want to deal with it anymore. I left 0.0 to get away from it, but now it's being shoved back in my face.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:19:00 -
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I find it very entertaining that most carebears think that pirates are only after "ph4t l3w7" and easy kills. Most of us do it for the pretty explosions and the thrill of the hunt. The loot is just bonus.
I made this character in preparation for faction warfare.
I got bored, and my sec status paid the ultimate price.
I am not a templar, a fighter drone used by carriers. |
Brother Welcome
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Viral Shadow
and there is also a diff in fighting 10 people and getting invaded by 50 people vs the 5-10 pirates that usually are together in a system
Yes it's true. In every killmail where pirates have killed me it's always been my 1 ship to their 5-10. The same difference in fighting seems to apply to 5-10 up against 50.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:49:00 -
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Yeah i am sure pirates like hauler explosions better than battleship explosions, so they prefer attacking haulers 
btw, about half an hour ago (i think), caldari and gallente forces had a little fleet battle. Result was a win for the caldari (dont worry, we planned that at the bbq). Since my pod survived with less then 30% structure left i didnt really stayed there, but reports were that after that a pirate gang destroyed many of the caldari who were looting wrecks.
So some pirates can adapt.
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Patsy kavanagh
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Posted - 2008.06.15 09:56:00 -
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I don't know where these blobs you lot have been talking about are, I've been doing some fw over the weekend and we were all split up in squads of 10 or so doing various complexs and camping various gates to keep the constelation locked down, it was great, small scale pvp but with lots of peeps all doing it at once :) |
Antraxx
Deviance Inc
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:09:00 -
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Always gives me a giggle to see people coming out with the old "You will never attack an even sized gang-You just want to camp solo haulers" etc..
Speaking for my own Corp,and the Alliance it belongs to,we will ALWAYS happily engage greater numbers.
If a gate is camped,then everything dies that comes through-Not just the poor defenceless T1 haulers.If a blob comes through-Then we'll fight it if there's even a remote chance of a good outcome.
(Like you lot wouldnt gank a flashy red hauler that was all alone eh? ^^)
Tbh FW hasnt changed our gameplan or objectives one single bit.We'll continue to do what we do,and enjoy our way of playing this Intarweb Pew Pew game.
Piracy is about the thrill of the hunt,the sheer rush as the anti's send their blobs against you,and ofc-That glow after you engage 2-3 ships while alone,and win ^^.
Funny that when pirates use 5-10 man gangs to roam/camp,then everyone shouts about how they only gank solo targets etc,but those same people will happily bring in a blob to squash like 2 ships...Whats the difference?
FDN in particular are well known for this-They have dropped multiple caps on a single camping pirate BC.
meh-Whine//Gloat all you like,Nothings changed.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ulfgar Rumnarn
I have noticed a lot of former pirates joining the militias. There are several outlaws and also just slightly negative sec status in militias now. This intrigues me. Is this because it gives them far greater ability to find targets to pop without having to worry about grinding up sec staus later? Is this the end of most pirating as we know it?
I would like to hear what other people think. It is early on and already I see a lot of pirates joining militias. Maybe FW is so much fun pirates figure thier EVE dollars are better spend playing FW instead of gate camping?
The lowsec areas where FW takes place have seen a dramatic reduction in pirating, as the FW gangs are PvP fitted and like blowing things up. The pirates don't like that.
Piracy is all about easy ganks and the economic benefits of them. FW has breathed new life into lowsec, and the pirates have pretty much given up in places like amamake.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/06/2008 10:33:27
Originally by: Pallas Minervo
Most pirates can fly caps... so this is going to escalate quickly. I'm still waiting on a pirate mothership to start plowing through fields of frigs and cruisers with officer smarties.
lol
please do start using caps
Not everyone in FW is a nublet.
(edit for spelling :p)
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Subedai
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:56:00 -
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The pirates can either run around losec for 30 jumps finding absolutely noone at a belt or join fw and have targets right there and then.
If you became a pirate for the chance of "any" pvp and u had those 2 choices - which would u go for? 
Unlike popular opinion most pirates are sick of the only targets for hours on end being macro mission runners in haulers. |
Bellum Eternus
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:15:00 -
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It amuses me that carebears think that they can comment on pirates and piracy in general with any degree of accuracy or intelligence. If you've never been a pirate yourself, you don't know anything about it.
All this rhetoric is just that. All I've seen from FW is nano blobs. If I wanted that, I'd fly in 0.0. The whole point of lowsec was to fight in an environment that was different from 0.0 but it looks like that's changing for the worse. Oh well.
Don't pat yourselves on the back too hard carebears.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
It amuses me that carebears think that they can comment on pirates and piracy in general with any degree of accuracy or intelligence. If you've never been a pirate yourself, you don't know anything about it.
I have pirated. I knocked up about 250 solo kills before losing one Thorax.
Was it challenging? No. Was it fun? At times. Did I go for easy ganks? Of course. Was it profitable? Absolutely.
Ultimately it was boring because there was no challenge. I mean, by all means pirate, think you're uber for blowing up mining Apocs in a T1 cruiser, and make some money from it. Just don't expect anyone to be impressed.
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Napro
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Damned Force
yes FW is destroying the last fun pvp.
0.0 is boring because blob, so thats because most hardcore pvp-ers goes into lowsec to pirating and have fun with 5-10 man gangs to maybe attack an another 5-10 man gang.
Now with FW devs pushed 200 man blobs into this part of the game and so destroying the last small gang pvp possibility.
i hate that this looser devs cant think out of box and see before a change what would be the consequence
are you serious? You're saying roaming gangs of around 5 transport-gankers should be prioritized over the 10 thousand-ish militia pilots? Really?
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HakanSherif
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:29:00 -
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We were going to wait like 2 weeks atleast to see how it goes but when some stupid caldari guys came to our system and made it contested we said **** it and enlisted. I am still trying to convince ppl to switch to minmatar tho coz galdari is kinda you know..
I was against FW and i am glad i was mistaken.
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Lilith Velkor
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:33:00 -
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Pirating and participation in FW doesn't exclude each other, you just get a bunch of new targets you can conveniently hunt in small and fast groups, think of mixed AF/EAS/ceptor/cruiser gangs that are capable of moving through the warzone without being molested. No need for the 4 HIC + 10 BS camps that seem to be so popular lately.
Don't believe the people saying the militias have crappy fittings, some do but there are lots of T2 ships to kill
Loot is actually quite good taking into account your individual survivability.
For those interested in historical context you might want to read this.
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MrChook
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
-I have yet to see any "militia" in anything other than T1 frigs/dessies/cruisers. Then again..I have not entered the Black Rise region yet. It's on my "to do" list.
You must be flying around in the wrong area because a lot of the gangs I've been in have included T2 ships. Check out the battle clinic killboards (seems to have become the defacto KB for at least the Minmatar militia).
One reason you see a lot of small T1 ships is that they are the only ones that can enter the smaller capture sites so you need a few of those. And of course, the majority of the sites seem to be of the minor variety and people hate sitting at the entry gate waiting for 10 minutes so most of them bring small T1 ships.
That said, there still are some pirates around that are doing well, they avoid the blobs and pick of solo pilots or smaller gangs. I do, however,  at the ones that are whining on the forums about blobs and what not. One such group got my poor little Ishkur last night (I just knew uncloaking to help the Drake was a bad idea )
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Gunzo San
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:02:00 -
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As Regards the OP question, The term 'Pirates' is relative, FW is taking PvP'rs away from thier normal activities, wether they be Gankers, Roamers or chancers. Lets face it some folks just want to fight.
Professional 'Pirates', as always, already have and will continue to survive.
Interestingly, the shoe being on the other foot. All the Carebears that now fly in FW fleets are gleefully blobbing anyone with neg sec (and neutrals if they are unlucky enough to get in the way).Not so different from the Gankers after all are you?
Proffessional PvP Outlaws will take on anything they think they can handle, this includes being outnumbered..if they think they can handle it. taking on an 80+ gang is lunacy tho.
Bring on FW, its Win for everyone as far as i can tell.
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RuleoftheBone
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: MrChook
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
-I have yet to see any "militia" in anything other than T1 frigs/dessies/cruisers. Then again..I have not entered the Black Rise region yet. It's on my "to do" list.
You must be flying around in the wrong area because a lot of the gangs I've been in have included T2 ships. Check out the battle clinic killboards (seems to have become the defacto KB for at least the Minmatar militia).
One reason you see a lot of small T1 ships is that they are the only ones that can enter the smaller capture sites so you need a few of those. And of course, the majority of the sites seem to be of the minor variety and people hate sitting at the entry gate waiting for 10 minutes so most of them bring small T1 ships.
That said, there still are some pirates around that are doing well, they avoid the blobs and pick of solo pilots or smaller gangs. I do, however, at the ones that are whining on the forums about blobs and what not. One such group got my poor little Ishkur last night (I just knew uncloaking to help the Drake was a bad idea )
Cloak on Ishkur?
Anyway...as far as Metropolis goes the activity has been confined mainly to T1 frigs/dessies backed up by the odd recon. Mostly 5-10 man gangs max...I guess the larger blobs are elsewhere.
In the meantime I visited Caldari space and ganked a Hurricane and Covetor .
And in doing my part for the Minmatar cause some random Kestrel pilot who ejected from his ship for unknown reasons in a Minmatar contested system was returned to his/her cloning bay too. Loot was crap....bummer eh?
Just doing my nominal bit for the Minnies  .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Shaox
The Aggressors
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:07:00 -
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As an Outlaw / Pirate turned FWer I think a lot of you are missing the point.
Myself, and most pirates I knew were in it for the fights. FW brings a whole load of new players into lowsec, and with it a whole load more fights.
Despite the Tama clusterfu FW is the best thing to happen to low sec and piracy in a long time, FW is a breath of life that low sec desperately needed (atleast short term, I do not know if it will continue to bring such high amounts of players out here).
My biggest concern is that FW encourages everyone to fly complete trash (or you are unable to get into half the complexes). Before I wouldn't even shoot anything smaller than a BC because it was a complete waste of time, now I'm gunning for t1 frigates with a vengeance. I guess the main reason for this is that after getting a kill I dont have to spend 15 minutes switching safespots waiting for aggression to fade now.
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Gunzo San
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shaox
I guess the main reason for this is that after getting a kill I dont have to spend 15 minutes switching safespots waiting for aggression to fade now.
You can dock, you know shipmate
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Shaox
The Aggressors
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Shaox on 15/06/2008 12:20:00
Yeah but docking gives you fresh 15 minute agro from the corporation who owns the station (which then gets refreshed again if you undock within that 15m).
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Adsterine
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:28:00 -
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FW is porkalicious
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Esu Nahalas on 15/06/2008 12:51:01
Originally by: Antraxx
Funny that when pirates use 5-10 man gangs to roam/camp,then everyone shouts about how they only gank solo targets etc,but those same people will happily bring in a blob to squash like 2 ships...Whats the difference?
From an objective standpoint (I can't even play the game at the moment because my computer can't handle it), the difference is that, generally, this forum has shifted from people complaining about lowsec being empty to people complaining about fleets* in lowsec. Think about that for a minute.
Edit: specifically, the earlier "complaints" were about how to get more people into lowsec.
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*I don't use the word "blob" on principle.
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Templar Dane
I find it very entertaining that most carebears think that pirates are only after "ph4t l3w7" and easy kills. Most of us do it for the pretty explosions and the thrill of the hunt. The loot is just bonus.
So, still flying that cloaking punisher, big man? |
Bomberos
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Posted - 2008.06.15 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wen Johen
I find it very funny because I remember some of the pirates beating their chests here on forums about how they are going to slaughter all the FW carebears and noobs and FW is going to fail. And now look who is getting slaughtered
haha so true
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J Valkor
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
A lot of pirates thought that FW would provide them with lots of little targets. Unfortunately for them, it's actually provided them with several huge fleets per day which are actually very well coordinated. They've got the choice to join one of the militias and have some fleet op fun or fight against both sides. We've seen how badly pirate gatecamps go when a 200-man caldari blob runs through it.
I'm sure some of the most skilled pirates will refuse to join either side but I have seen a number of them join militias. It's fun lowsec PvP and plenty of it, that's pretty much what most of the current pirates want.
Ahahahahahaha.
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.15 19:14:00 -
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You guys know that to get into Black Rise you can go through Piak in Lonetrek as well right? Piak to Onnamon. Then you can avoid the Tama gate blobs.
Also feel free to stop by Piak III - Moon 19 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant as buy some ammo for your ships or a new ship. I am always working on providing everything you may need for your cheap frills PvP needs. Also make sure to offload all your trit and high end minerals there at those buy orders while you are at it. 
Yes I am loving FW and all its new opportunities for the market!
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Gurney H
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:03:00 -
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It's not one way or another against piracy, it's just become much more even odds. I've seen a LOT of pirates die at the hands of fleets in plexes, at gates, everywhere. I've seen them die, come back, die again. Once on a FW mission my small gang got ganked by pirates, but then we assembled a larger gang and drove them off. Later in the day, I found my militia mates picking over the corpses of these so-called "skilled" pirates. Having to watch out for privateers is a fun element of FW, hopefully the pirates stick around because we need targets of opportunity.
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FlameGlow
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
You guys know that to get into Black Rise you can go through Piak in Lonetrek as well right? Piak to Onnamon. Then you can avoid the Tama gate blobs.
Also feel free to stop by Piak III - Moon 19 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant as buy some ammo for your ships or a new ship. I am always working on providing everything you may need for your cheap frills PvP needs. Also make sure to offload all your trit and high end minerals there at those buy orders while you are at it.
Yes I am loving FW and all its new opportunities for the market!
This, from there it's usually a blob-free path to any caldari or gallente FW system.
You do pretty bad at supplying though, Onnamon's state war academy station is better stocked by ammo
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Cloora
Black River Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
This, from there it's usually a blob-free path to any caldari or gallente FW system.
You do pretty bad at supplying though, Onnamon's state war academy station is better stocked by ammo
Well, Piak is only one jump away from there, and if you are in need of Drakes or HAM ammo Piak is your place. I have been working furiously to get the needed minerals to make more of the low end ammos and ships. Damn ammo takes SOOOO long to make! 
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.15 20:54:00 -
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Still pirating and loving it. FW has brought a refereshing wind throughout lowsec.
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