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Ulfgar Rumnarn	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:17:00 - [1] I have noticed a lot of former pirates joining the militias. There are several outlaws and also just slightly negative sec status in militias now. This intrigues me. Is this because it gives them far greater ability to find targets to pop without having to worry about grinding up sec staus later? Is this the end of most pirating as we know it? I would like to hear what other people think. It is early on and already I see a lot of pirates joining militias. Maybe FW is so much fun pirates figure thier EVE dollars are better spend playing FW instead of gate camping?
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:24:00 - [2] A lot of pirates thought that FW would provide them with lots of little targets. Unfortunately for them, it's actually provided them with several huge fleets per day which are actually very well coordinated. They've got the choice to join one of the militias and have some fleet op fun or fight against both sides. We've seen how badly pirate gatecamps go when a 200-man caldari blob runs through it. I'm sure some of the most skilled pirates will refuse to join either side but I have seen a number of them join militias. It's fun lowsec PvP and plenty of it, that's pretty much what most of the current pirates want. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:59:00 - [3] There were far more pirates than could be supported by lo-sec. FW is probably the best thing that's happened to lo-sec in years. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Spineker	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:03:00 - [4] What I have seen is pirates dying or running for it from fleets. small or large. I almost felt sorry for them then I remember that they like to slap each other on the back for killing Industrial ships and miner ships and remember what I think of their skills.
My Julutschka	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:08:00 - [5] THIS many of them realised, that there is a differenc between ganking unaware haulers, miners, missionrunners...or taking up a fight with people that are actually looking for one
Viral Shadow Ryddinjorn Corsairs	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:10:00 - [6] znd there is also a diff in fighting 10 people and getting invaded by 50 people vs the 5-10 pirates that usually are together in a system
Wen Johen	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:16:00 - [7] I find it very funny because I remember some of the pirates beating their chests here on forums about how they are going to slaughter all the FW carebears and noobs and FW is going to fail. And now look who is getting slaughtered
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:24:00 - [8] For those who adopted piracy as a means to indulge their PvP-lust, faction warfare is great because it provides a steady stream of targets in the form of control bunkers and dungeons and such - static points that both sides can rally around and fight over, as opposed to great swaths of territory that people roam through in the hopes of encountering something to shoot at. Those who turned to piracy and stick to gatecamps to molest miners/mission runners/etc are simply in it to gang up on weaker targets (not that the more hardcore pirates let these people pass unmolested, its just that the more opportunistic "scavenger" pirates are ONLY interested in weak targets they know they can beat, vs the hardcore pirates that are more interested in the thrill of the fight itself) will likely not join in faction warfare, as they have to face a higher caliber of target than they're comfortable with. I think its still too early to make definite predictions, especially since its already been stated Empyrean 1.1 is in the works, but I think we'll see a definite shift in low sec piracy as a lot of people get "distracted" with the war. Certain highly contested areas may become more dangerous as they gain higher concentrations of PvPers itching for an engagement, while other areas are drained of the more dangerous pirates (at least until the next crop sees an open niche and moves in) Should be interesting times ahead. Personally I plan to continue profiteering off the whole thing and let the pirates slug it out
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:05:00 - [9] OP: Piracy/Outlaw does not always mean gate-camps. Seeing a couple outlaws on a gate does not mean a camp either....possibly they are waiting for a scout report from the next system? The big blobs are reserved for alliances and now FW parties...the more you know right . While there has been a reasonable increase in losec activity (outside of the Black Rise area which I am avoiding atm) the majority of targets are T1 junk not worth the aggro timer or blob risk for the little loot they might drop. The actual hunters in the game (as opposed to the "Duck Hunt" adherents) are still around....watching....waiting. We engage on our terms...not yours . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:37:00 - [10] Originally by: RuleoftheBone OP: Piracy/Outlaw does not always mean gate-camps. Seeing a couple outlaws on a gate does not mean a camp either....possibly they are waiting for a scout report from the next system? The big blobs are reserved for alliances and now FW parties...the more you know right . While there has been a reasonable increase in losec activity (outside of the Black Rise area which I am avoiding atm) the majority of targets are T1 junk not worth the aggro timer or blob risk for the little loot they might drop. The actual hunters in the game (as opposed to the "Duck Hunt" adherents) are still around....watching....waiting. We engage on our terms...not yours . Try again. Lots of Militia guys are flying T2 fitted ships, Hacs, BCs, BS ect. I guess the Pirates excuse now for being cowards is that there is nothing worth shooting at.

Surfin's PlunderBunny Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:39:00 - [11] I'm still here, I will not partake in FW.... there is no need for concern
Tommy Reslin Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:48:00 - [12] I find it amusing that the same thing happening in FW happened in history as well. When the navies of the past became a significant power, piracy began to die off. The same is happening here. What you're seeing is the pirates who want to kill people with little risk of losing status, the pirates who are dropping out of being a pirate, because they can't cope with the number of opposing fleets, pirates that just.. try to get more pirates and combat the bigger fleets (which normally doesn't work due to the militia channel allowing people to form massive blods), and then last are the pirates who are extremely good at pirating whom aren't worried about a thing. So you have the weaker pirates dying off or fighting futiley while the pros are doing what they've always been doing.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:55:00 - [13] So you're basically happy you brought huge laggy blobs to low-sec as well?
hedfunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: RuleoftheBone OP: Piracy/Outlaw does not always mean gate-camps. Seeing a couple outlaws on a gate does not mean a camp either....possibly they are waiting for a scout report from the next system? The big blobs are reserved for alliances and now FW parties...the more you know right . While there has been a reasonable increase in losec activity (outside of the Black Rise area which I am avoiding atm) the majority of targets are T1 junk not worth the aggro timer or blob risk for the little loot they might drop. The actual hunters in the game (as opposed to the "Duck Hunt" adherents) are still around....watching....waiting. We engage on our terms...not yours . I'm sure if it was close to an even fight, i.e 10vs 10 or even 10vs 15 the pirates would engage. But as said earlier in this thread, there's fleets of 200+ ppl going about, and you're calling pirates cowards for not engaging? What? Try again. Lots of Militia guys are flying T2 fitted ships, Hacs, BCs, BS ect. I guess the Pirates excuse now for being cowards is that there is nothing worth shooting at.
Tommy Reslin Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:05:00 - [15] Originally by: ApaKaka So you're basically happy you brought huge laggy blobs to low-sec as well? Never said that but FW is a load of fun. I just mentioned that it's funny how it happened in this game. In EvE the same thing happening here also happened in our reality during the time frame where piracy was popular.
z0de The Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:09:00 - [16] Where are all these big fleets? I have seen none :(
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Tommy Reslin So you have the weaker pirates dying off or fighting futiley while the pros are doing what they've always been doing. Some also join one militia and continue usual trade with some breaks for light pew-pew against opposing militia.
AppleBanana	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:10:00 - [18] Lowsec is safer than ever, pirates joining FW and FCs never shoot nuetrals at gates unless they go flashy. Pretty much anyone can fly around lowsec now and be very safe, and i have yet to see a HIC gatecamp since the patch. I think most of the so called pirates werent really pirates to begin with. They were just ppl who wanted to shoot stuff, but the real pirates seem to be the ppl who try to make money off being pirates. Seems like most the "i just wanna shoot stuff" pirates joined FW which works out better for them anyways. They can still do everything they did as a pirate plus have alot more FW objectives to enjoy. Staying a regular old pirate seems like a restriction now and you cant enjoy lowsec to its new improved fullness.
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:12:00 - [19] Originally by: z0de Where are all these big fleets? I have seen none :( Fly to Tama and look 2 jumps around it, there is always some blob or another in that area. I personally hate the lag it creates and stay out, plenty of space in black rise.
Tommy Reslin Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:13:00 - [20] Originally by: AppleBanana Lowsec is safer than ever, pirates joining FW and FCs never shoot nuetrals at gates unless they go flashy. Pretty much anyone can fly around lowsec now and be very safe, and i have yet to see a HIC gatecamp since the patch. I think most of the so called pirates werent really pirates to begin with. They were just ppl who wanted to shoot stuff, but the real pirates seem to be the ppl who try to make money off being pirates. Seems like most the "i just wanna shoot stuff" pirates joined FW which works out better for them anyways. They can still do everything they did as a pirate plus have alot more FW objectives to enjoy. Staying a regular old pirate seems like a restriction now and you cant enjoy lowsec to its new improved fullness. I wouldn't say that FCs never shoot neutrals. I was in a Militia blob that wanted to just kills things. It ended up getting somewhere around 90 people. After awhile, since the enemies were smart and avoided them, they got so bored they began firing on any neutrals they saw. I left the group when they began to target neuts. :P

Jintau Kawazoe Isonami Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Wen Johen I find it very funny because I remember some of the pirates beating their chests here on forums about how they are going to slaughter all the FW carebears and noobs and FW is going to fail. And now look who is getting slaughtered QFT Isonami Syndicate Recruitment Thread pew p
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:20:00 - [22] Originally by: Wen Johen I find it very funny because I remember some of the pirates beating their chests here on forums about how they are going to slaughter all the FW carebears and noobs and FW is going to fail. And now look who is getting slaughtered I doubt pirates are getting slaughtered, they just stay away from blobs. Pirates generally look for smallscale pvp and are in it to make isk. So 200 man blobs are not exactly their intended target.
Euriti SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:22:00 - [23] Edited by: Euriti on 14/06/2008 11:22:38 I think it's a good thing, It really gives the 24/7 gatecamp pirates a run for their money (I'm looking at you Muffin factory and the united). I'm a pirate but I'm in 0.0 so I've not had the chance to try the new low sec after FW, I guess I'd be screwed pretty bad by superior numbers =D I don't pirate for profit, I pirate for fights.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:23:00 - [24] FW has definitely changed lowsec forever. The jury's still out as to whether or not what we see now will still be what we're fighting three months from today, or if its going to completely kill the pirate profession of. Time will tell. Goal Line Blitz, an American Football browser game.
Damned Force Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:26:00 - [25] yes FW is destroying the last fun pvp. 0.0 is boring because blob, so thats because most hardcore pvp-ers goes into lowsec to pirating and have fun with 5-10 man gangs to maybe attack an another 5-10 man gang. Now with FW devs pushed 200 man blobs into this part of the game and so destroying the last small gang pvp possibility. i hate that this looser devs cant think out of box and see before a change what would be the consequence
Tommy Reslin Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:29:00 - [26] Edited by: Tommy Reslin on 14/06/2008 11:29:28 Originally by: Damned Force yes FW is destroying the last fun pvp. 0.0 is boring because blob, so thats because most hardcore pvp-ers goes into lowsec to pirating and have fun with 5-10 man gangs to maybe attack an another 5-10 man gang. Now with FW devs pushed 200 man blobs into this part of the game and so destroying the last small gang pvp possibility. i hate that this looser devs cant think out of box and see before a change what would be the consequence Yet.. during the few days of Fw I've done 5 v 15 10 v 10 10 v 15 20 v 20 and of course lopsided blobby matches (although, 15 is borderline blob) what do you consider small scale? I've already done all sorts of group type pvp. I've done anywhere from 5 to 90 something. Heck, I got jumped while scanning a planet and ended up in a 1 v 1.
Hot Fudge Sweet -N- Creamy	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:33:00 - [27] The thing I find kinda funny about the pirates in low sec is the flashy red ones are being popped left and right, lol. It's like revenge of the carebears, he he he.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:33:00 - [28] Originally by: hedfunk Edited by: hedfunk on 14/06/2008 11:07:38 Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: RuleoftheBone OP: Piracy/Outlaw does not always mean gate-camps. Seeing a couple outlaws on a gate does not mean a camp either....possibly they are waiting for a scout report from the next system? The big blobs are reserved for alliances and now FW parties...the more you know right . While there has been a reasonable increase in losec activity (outside of the Black Rise area which I am avoiding atm) the majority of targets are T1 junk not worth the aggro timer or blob risk for the little loot they might drop. The actual hunters in the game (as opposed to the "Duck Hunt" adherents) are still around....watching....waiting. We engage on our terms...not yours . Try again. Lots of Militia guys are flying T2 fitted ships, Hacs, BCs, BS ect. I guess the Pirates excuse now for being cowards is that there is nothing worth shooting at. I'm sure if it was close to an even fight, i.e 10vs 10 or even 10vs 15 the pirates would engage. But as said earlier in this thread, there's fleets of 200+ ppl going about, and you're calling pirates cowards for not engaging? What? Don't even bring up an "even fight" issue when these guys in the past got their jollies off of killing a solo Industrial trying to get through one of their gatecamps and then afterwards, came onto this forum and called Empire players "noobs" and "carebears" who are too afraid to PvP or come to Low Sec. Not that what they were doing before was really PvP. More like "whack a mole" or camping spawns at the gate. That being said, i know that there are some skilled pirates. I am mostly talking about the morons who have been running their mouthes and beating their chests on this board for years. The skilled pirates mainly keep their traps shut and do what they do quietly. Those players never felt to whine on these forums about not having enough targets or how "Empire bears get rich without enough risk."
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/06/2008 11:41:58 I sense much anger towards piratez. Faction Warfare changes the game a lot, and in my opinion its a needed and very positive change. A lot of players seem to be enjoying pvp for the first time in a long time. This is one change CCP should be proud of finally implementing. --- Its dead, Jim.
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:42:00 - [30] Don't get me wrong...I think the FW thing overall is a good thing . Bear in mind I am completely funded via combat ops...so you will pardon me if I avoid the blobs. Trading a Rapier for a couple junk kills is stupid business. Personally I am stocking up on a few Thrashers, Rifters, and other T1 pap just for a bit of fun interupting the small-scale plex fights. Otherwise I am just going about my normal roaming activities . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA

Esmenet	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:50:00 - [31] Originally by: Kelli Flay Don't even bring up an "even fight" issue when these guys in the past got their jollies off of killing a solo Industrial trying to get through one of their gatecamps and then afterwards, came onto this forum and called Empire players "noobs" and "carebears" who are too afraid to PvP or come to Low Sec. Not that what they were doing before was really PvP. More like "whack a mole" or camping spawns at the gate. That being said, i know that there are some skilled pirates. I am mostly talking about the morons who have been running their mouthes and beating their chests on this board for years. The skilled pirates mainly keep their traps shut and do what they do quietly. Those players never felt to whine on these forums about not having enough targets or how "Empire bears get rich without enough risk." The funny thing is that this is proving the pirates were right all along. Crying aside you deserve to die if you jump to lowsec in a t1 hauler without a scout. But if you can beat the pirates oh so easily the only question is why didnt you do so before? Its because you were too busy crying to get a gang going and kill them.
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:51:00 - [32] Pirate tears . . . yummy.
Jen Aerin	Posted - 2008.06.14 12:00:00 - [33] Originally by: z0de Where are all these big fleets? I have seen none :( This. I've flown around Black Rise looking for some laughs, and have only run into other pirates trying to do the same thing. Nooooobody home.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.14 12:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Kelli Flay Don't even bring up an "even fight" issue when these guys in the past got their jollies off of killing a solo Industrial trying to get through one of their gatecamps and then afterwards, came onto this forum and called Empire players "noobs" and "carebears" who are too afraid to PvP or come to Low Sec. Not that what they were doing before was really PvP. More like "whack a mole" or camping spawns at the gate. That being said, i know that there are some skilled pirates. I am mostly talking about the morons who have been running their mouthes and beating their chests on this board for years. The skilled pirates mainly keep their traps shut and do what they do quietly. Those players never felt to whine on these forums about not having enough targets or how "Empire bears get rich without enough risk." The funny thing is that this is proving the pirates were right all along. Crying aside you deserve to die if you jump to lowsec in a t1 hauler without a scout. But if you can beat the pirates oh so easily the only question is why didnt you do so before? Its because you were too busy crying to get a gang going and kill them. Where did I say I ever jumped into low sec with a hauler? {Actually, i did a few times back when I mined Trit as a noob but never got ganked} Your second paragraph is just stupid gibberish which oddly enough sounds like something one of those "pirates" I was talking about would post. I always wanted to say this: You fail!
Fester Addams	Posted - 2008.06.14 12:18:00 - [35] Originally by: hedfunk I'm sure if it was close to an even fight, i.e 10vs 10 or even 10vs 15 the pirates would engage. But as said earlier in this thread, there's fleets of 200+ ppl going about, and you're calling pirates cowards for not engaging? What? You aparently have not understood the mindset of a pirate. Pirates are in it for the cash, they want to get somthing out of the kill. They do not want a fair fight, they want to be 3-4 ships vs a defensless hauler with lots of goodies inside. Pirates will never and have never engaged on equal ods. but fear not, piracy will not die out, it will only change. Plenty of pirates will not survive the change but that is only good as they were not desierable pirates in the first place. The most positive possible outcome of FW is that FW fleets will act as a protective shield for non pirate players to go into lowsec and get their legs to get out into the great black Yonder of 0.0. Real pirates will find their pray anyways.
Euriti SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.06.14 12:21:00 - [36] FW is just what was needed for this game, it really was. It brought the PvP aspect back in a time with mega blobs in 0.0, 24/7 pirate camps and motsu carebearing. It's what the game needed, bringing the PvP back.
Woddawick	Posted - 2008.06.14 13:10:00 - [37] Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: RuleoftheBone OP: Piracy/Outlaw does not always mean gate-camps. Seeing a couple outlaws on a gate does not mean a camp either....possibly they are waiting for a scout report from the next system? The big blobs are reserved for alliances and now FW parties...the more you know right . While there has been a reasonable increase in losec activity (outside of the Black Rise area which I am avoiding atm) the majority of targets are T1 junk not worth the aggro timer or blob risk for the little loot they might drop. The actual hunters in the game (as opposed to the "Duck Hunt" adherents) are still around....watching....waiting. We engage on our terms...not yours . Try again. Lots of Militia guys are flying T2 fitted ships, Hacs, BCs, BS ect. I guess the Pirates excuse now for being cowards is that there is nothing worth shooting at. Yup, another pathetic pirate excuse from a poor excuse for a pirate. Those guys are so determined to avoid bothering the FW fleets that it almost makes you cry. You can almost hear their poor little hearts breaking as the gate activation reveals yet another bunch of well equipped (and valuable) ships piloted by people ready and willing to fight. Maybe we should stage a 'fly an unarmed T1 industrial' day for the poor little darlins'.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.06.14 13:16:00 - [38] Factional Warfare has brought the 0.0 sized blob to lowsec! Moar deth for everyone!11 \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Kaleb Lowe	Posted - 2008.06.14 14:18:00 - [39] I used to kill rats in Tama/Surajento/Oto and so on, but since the relase of EA I stopped. Why? Because of lag (there used to be 2-20 ppl in those systems), frequent gate camps, so called "State protectorate" fighters trying to amubsh me (God, thank you for cloaking device)or randomly kill anything that passes by. Not a big deal though, I wandered to those systems for fun - not for money, can live without it. The only thing that bothers me is that CCP uses FW as a mean to direct some of heavy traffic to low-sec, instead of trying to reduce lag by hardware investments. This is what we got - huge, herds of carebears being confident of their superiority in groups of 100+ ppl, who would normally stay in highsec. It's not a bad thing overall - less traffic in the citadel, lonetrek less lag.
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:06:00 - [40] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 14/06/2008 15:06:37 Originally by: Woddawick I am a disgraceful failure of an alt Hi alt. -My personal combat stats are available through public record. You won't find a poor excuse for anything there. -I have yet to see any "militia" in anything other than T1 frigs/dessies/cruisers. Then again..I have not entered the Black Rise region yet. It's on my "to do" list. -Not engaging 1-v-hundreds is sensible. -Did I by chance pop your alliagator mouth candy ass mission-whoring main to attract such a silly post? Bye alt "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA

soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:25:00 - [41] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 14/06/2008 15:29:18 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 14/06/2008 15:28:53 why are all the non FW peeps and pirates complaining " so your happy your lagging up low sec" or "theyre just noob blobs which have junk ships" stop b*****, most low security systems ares till for the most part UNINHABITATED, there are a select few systems that are major war zones, Tama system, Huola system, and Kourumenen(? not sure how to spell it, its in Minmatar-Amarr battlegrounds somewhere) stop complaining and adapt, as a i said, only a select few systems are as bad as you say they are, just check your dam starmap and for filters go to > Occupancy > Militia > Militia ships destroyed in last hour you will see that only a few systems are giant red orbs, go to the systems that arent giant red orbs, which is about 80% of them and go gate camp/pirate your haulers and industrials there (not complaining btw, its your profession, which is fair) but dont complain that some of your targets are gona start shooting back or hunting YOU instead of you hunting them. and if you really hate these FW "noob" gangs, and they really are t1 junk ships piloted by "noobs" go get a bunch of your pirate friends, get in some really advanced T2 ships, and go attack one of these FW gangs, that should be a good fight, but dont moan about it when you get warp scrammed/ webbed and popped in your 150million dollar ishtar and quite possibly podded EDIT: forgot to add, but what is your guys definition of "lag" i have a ** computer, play this game on standard graphics, and HAVE BEEN in tama when there was around 200 people in the system, in fact i frequent these systems now just to watch the PVP battles (since low sec has become much more hospitable since FW release) anyway, i jumped into Tama in the middle of a freaking battle easily 80-90 ships battling, i will admit, the game took a second to get INTO the system but when i finally got there, almost lag free (keep in mind this was in the MIDDLE of a full battle) i mean i had a couple of spikes in which my game would freeze for like half a second, but thats nothing P.S.: Pirate Tears ARE THE BEST
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:37:00 - [42] Originally by: Kaleb Lowe I used to kill rats in Tama/Surajento/Oto and so on, but since the relase of EA I stopped. Why? Because of lag (there used to be 2-20 ppl in those systems), frequent gate camps, so called "State protectorate" fighters trying to amubsh me (God, thank you for cloaking device)or randomly kill anything that passes by. Not a big deal though, I wandered to those systems for fun - not for money, can live without it. The only thing that bothers me is that CCP uses FW as a mean to direct some of heavy traffic to low-sec, instead of trying to reduce lag by hardware investments. This is what we got - huge, herds of carebears being confident of their superiority in groups of 100+ ppl, who would normally stay in highsec. It's not a bad thing overall - less traffic in the citadel, lonetrek less lag. GET OVER IT, your now complaining that the "carebare noobs" are fighting back, wheres your confidence now hmmm? your such a big bad pirate/ pvp'er, take on these "carebear noobs" and pop them as you normally would, o wait you dont have your advantage of camping a gate w/ a few of your friends in BS's attacking defenseless industrials and haulers, so you come here and complain about it, i say again, GET OVER IT and on a sidenote, you must have a really low security status or something, as i said before i FREQUENT these very systems, go there IN A FRIGATE and bust chuck norris jokes w/ the gallente there waiting for the Caldari fleet to warp in and get there asses handed to them P.S. Pirate tears are STILL THE BEST
bestsnail	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:37:00 - [43] Edited by: bestsnail on 14/06/2008 15:39:09 Originally by: Damned Force yes FW is destroying the last fun pvp. 0.0 is boring because blob, so thats because most people with junky computers that cant handle 0.0 goes into lowsec to pirating and have fun with 5-10 man gangs to maybe attack an another 5-10 man gang. Now with FW devs pushed 200 man blobs into this part of the game and so destroying the last small gang pvp possibility. i hate that this looser devs cant think out of box and see before a change what would be the consequence fixed, you act as if no one at all flys in nano/recon gangs in 0.0 theres plenty of small gang stuff there.
Corstaad Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:49:00 - [44] I tried FW for ****s and giggles for the first two days. Lets be honest with it, its unorganized blob warfare. It will cool down to reasonable levels and will produce a better example how FW will pan out. Besides the massive gate camps, FW has been a pretty good expansion for Low Sec.
Damned Force Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:12:00 - [45] Originally by: bestsnail Edited by: bestsnail on 14/06/2008 15:39:09 Originally by: Damned Force yes FW is destroying the last fun pvp. 0.0 is boring because blob, so thats because most people with junky computers that cant handle 0.0 goes into lowsec to pirating and have fun with 5-10 man gangs to maybe attack an another 5-10 man gang. Now with FW devs pushed 200 man blobs into this part of the game and so destroying the last small gang pvp possibility. i hate that this looser devs cant think out of box and see before a change what would be the consequence fixed, you act as if no one at all flys in nano/recon gangs in 0.0 theres plenty of small gang stuff there. And if u roam the systems more than 10 min everyone dock or they just drop a 100 man blob on u
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Corstaad I tried FW for ****s and giggles for the first two days. Lets be honest with it, its unorganized blob warfare. It will cool down to reasonable levels and will produce a better example how FW will pan out. Besides the massive gate camps, FW has been a pretty good expansion for Low Sec. ^^yes, FW will cool down soon, and it will eventually become ORGANIZED fleet warfare in a few months time you will start to see it, then it should be a bit better although it can be pretty fun, because right now, think about it, its kinda like solo pvp for the exact reason that its unorganized, right now it is "gang solo pvp" you have a fleet of allies, but you are on your own, we donthave orders to "destory the ravens first" or "destroye the EW frigates" or, "frigates swarm that megathron" its ship vs. ship, and having a fleet also helps because it directs all focus from any one person, spreads it out
Pallas Minervo	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:18:00 - [47] Most pirates can fly caps... so this is going to escalate quickly. I'm still waiting on a pirate mothership to start plowing through fields of frigs and cruisers with officer smarties.
Damned Force Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Pallas Minervo Most pirates can fly caps... so this is going to escalate quickly. I'm still waiting on a pirate mothership to start plowing through fields of frigs and cruisers with officer smarties. Pity a DD can not be fired in lowsec
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:30:00 - [49] ^^^ didnt RA just lose 3 carriers to a Caldari militia? honestly i dont think pirates are gona put their beloved caps in the line of fire to "get back" at the FW, but make a topic IF they do plz on a sidenote, it might help the pirates back in their home system after they have just been podded to konw that the militia will probably kill each other for those officer fittings, lol
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:30:00 - [50] Edited by: Nyphur on 14/06/2008 16:39:10 Originally by: Verone Factional Warfare has brought the 0.0 sized blob to lowsec! Moar deth for everyone!11 You'd better be on my side! Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 although it can be pretty fun, because right now, think about it, its kinda like solo pvp for the exact reason that its unorganized, right now it is "gang solo pvp" you have a fleet of allies, but you are on your own, we donthave orders to "destory the ravens first" or "destroye the EW frigates" or, "frigates swarm that megathron" its ship vs. ship, and having a fleet also helps because it directs all focus from any one person, spreads it out You're either on the wrong side or joining the wrong fleets. Join in on all the fleets you can and keep note of the best FCs because there are some really good ones out there. I've been in organised 0.0 fleets before and some of the FW gangs are of the same quality. It's just a lot more fun :). Originally by: Pallas Minervo Most pirates can fly caps... so this is going to escalate quickly. I'm still waiting on a pirate mothership to start plowing through fields of frigs and cruisers with officer smarties. Come now... most pirates can fly caps? That's a silly assertion, not to mention that between them, the caldari and gallente militias have downed four carriers since the start of FW. With heavy dictors able to hold motherships, I sincerely hope one does try to "plow" through a large fleet I'm part of. That would make for a very nice killmail :). Pillowsoft - Join the Pillowsoft Gallente Militia, get free ships and support.

dreamingtoday	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:40:00 - [51] Give it time and the pirates will form an alliance of sorts to give them the numbers to fight back and when they do oh happy days we are watching and we are coming see you all soon
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Spineker What I have seen is pirates dying or running for it from fleets. small or large. I almost felt sorry for them then I remember that they like to slap each other on the back for killing Industrial ships and miner ships and remember what I think of their skills. You don't know many real pirates do you? ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP.
Orar Ironfist Capital Produce	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:18:00 - [53] Originally by: Fester Addams Originally by: hedfunk I'm sure if it was close to an even fight, i.e 10vs 10 or even 10vs 15 the pirates would engage. But as said earlier in this thread, there's fleets of 200+ ppl going about, and you're calling pirates cowards for not engaging? What? You aparently have not understood the mindset of a pirate. Pirates are in it for the cash, they want to get somthing out of the kill. They do not want a fair fight, they want to be 3-4 ships vs a defensless hauler with lots of goodies inside. Pirates will never and have never engaged on equal ods. but fear not, piracy will not die out, it will only change. Plenty of pirates will not survive the change but that is only good as they were not desierable pirates in the first place. The most positive possible outcome of FW is that FW fleets will act as a protective shield for non pirate players to go into lowsec and get their legs to get out into the great black Yonder of 0.0. Real pirates will find their pray anyways. Apparently neither do you. For me its a combo of both.....sometimes i want a nice 1v1 or other eqaul match (2v2,3v3...) and sometimes i wanna sit there and pop haulers lookin for the one with a good prize inside....And not all pirates went to fw, give it time and youll that pirates still roam. Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
Kaleb Lowe	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:47:00 - [54] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Originally by: Kaleb Lowe I used to kill rats in Tama/Surajento/Oto and so on, but since the relase of EA I stopped. Why? Because of lag (there used to be 2-20 ppl in those systems), frequent gate camps, so called "State protectorate" fighters trying to amubsh me (God, thank you for cloaking device)or randomly kill anything that passes by. Not a big deal though, I wandered to those systems for fun - not for money, can live without it. The only thing that bothers me is that CCP uses FW as a mean to direct some of heavy traffic to low-sec, instead of trying to reduce lag by hardware investments. This is what we got - huge, herds of carebears being confident of their superiority in groups of 100+ ppl, who would normally stay in highsec. It's not a bad thing overall - less traffic in the citadel, lonetrek less lag. GET OVER IT, your now complaining that the "carebare noobs" are fighting back, wheres your confidence now hmmm? your such a big bad pirate/ pvp'er, take on these "carebear noobs" and pop them as you normally would, o wait you dont have your advantage of camping a gate w/ a few of your friends in BS's attacking defenseless industrials and haulers, so you come here and complain about it, i say again, GET OVER IT and on a sidenote, you must have a really low security status or something, as i said before i FREQUENT these very systems, go there IN A FRIGATE and bust chuck norris jokes w/ the gallente there waiting for the Caldari fleet to warp in and get there asses handed to them P.S. Pirate tears are STILL THE BEST Sorry to disappoint you but your criticism toward me, as a pirate, is utterly misguided, cuz - simply - at no time have I ever been a pirate, nor a gate camper. Just wanted to give you an opinion from the neutral perspective. As someone already pointed out - FW fleets now resemble a giant, brainless "Planet killer" - dangerous because of it's immense size and random choice of targets. I'm happy that you guys are having fun - but it's not funny when I got attacked by 20 ships warping to a spot where I kill rats! I'm not a member of a militia - so sodd off!
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:51:00 - [55] Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 14/06/2008 17:54:50 ^^^ oi sorry, not meaning to insult you, just idk, pirates are all over the board complaining about noobs lagging up low sec, and now the "noobs" are getting back at them, and they are crying over it, just seemed your neutral standponit seemed a little biased to me, sorry EDIT: oi forgot to add but still i HAVE been to the Tama system and do joke areound with the gallente fleets, honestly, and have not been attacked, i only lost a frigate in the cross fire when a caldari fleet warped in, idk why they are targeting you, and thats why i said you must have a low sec status, because i have seen them fire at flashy reds though, but yes, i can jump in and fly around in my little incursus and not be targeted
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.15 04:17:00 - [56] I started playing EVE to be a pirate. After reading this thread I realized I was doing it wrong. I've only killed two mining barges...ever. You folks helped me realize what it means to be a pirate so I went out and found a covetor and his pal in an Itty to pop. Thank you for guiding me. I also called my mom to see if I could move into her basement but things don't look as promising on that front. To the OP: FW hasn't brought much different to my neck of the woods except more targets. I got no complaints so far.
Modrak Vseth Veto.	Posted - 2008.06.15 05:37:00 - [57] Meh, I'm having a BALL. Yes, I have to avoid a blob here and there, but I'm having a lot of fun picking off stragglers that are over-confident about their "fleet's" loyalty. Catch one or two of them alone in a plex and they start screaming in local for help, but that help rarely comes because the coordination and intel is usually spotty at best for them. I pirate for the profit and the thrill of the hunt. I'll shadow a target for an hour before attacking if need be and if I think he may be worth it. I attack ships in ships that I "shouldn't", but sometimes you just have to go for it. I will NOT take on a 200 man or even 30 man fleet by myself, but I WILL sometimes go in heavy against the odds. And the beauty of it is, that helps define me as a successful pirate, the ability to fight on MY terms.
Galen Darksmith Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.06.15 05:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Modrak Vseth Meh, I'm having a BALL. Yes, I have to avoid a blob here and there, but I'm having a lot of fun picking off stragglers that are over-confident about their "fleet's" loyalty. Catch one or two of them alone in a plex and they start screaming in local for help, but that help rarely comes because the coordination and intel is usually spotty at best for them. I pirate for the profit and the thrill of the hunt. I'll shadow a target for an hour before attacking if need be and if I think he may be worth it. I attack ships in ships that I "shouldn't", but sometimes you just have to go for it. I will NOT take on a 200 man or even 30 man fleet by myself, but I WILL sometimes go in heavy against the odds. And the beauty of it is, that helps define me as a successful pirate, the ability to fight on MY terms. Thus speaks a TRUE pirate. You have my respect, and if you get unlucky, my missle through your hull. ;)
Athon NooB Silver Dragon Defense Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.15 06:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Pallas Minervo Most pirates can fly caps... so this is going to escalate quickly. I'm still waiting on a pirate mothership to start plowing through fields of frigs and cruisers with officer smarties. A surprising number of militia pilots are long time vets...or at least their alts. Do you think there are not caps and super caps in the militia fleets, more worrying, with people that know how to use them? T1 ships are fun, but if the fleet's average ship size escalates, then they escalate. Still fun, just bigger booms!!!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.15 06:24:00 - [60] I want you to go to lamaa in ammar space and try to start this thread again. Those pirates have skill.

Pallas Minervo	Posted - 2008.06.15 07:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Athon NooB Originally by: Pallas Minervo Most pirates can fly caps... so this is going to escalate quickly. I'm still waiting on a pirate mothership to start plowing through fields of frigs and cruisers with officer smarties. A surprising number of militia pilots are long time vets...or at least their alts. Do you think there are not caps and super caps in the militia fleets, more worrying, with people that know how to use them? T1 ships are fun, but if the fleet's average ship size escalates, then they escalate. Still fun, just bigger booms!!! The real point was that this is going to escalate into massive blob-warfare, just like 0.0. Which is fine, except that it's going to lag like a mofo, just like in 0.0 and people are going to stop because they don't want to deal with it anymore. I left 0.0 to get away from it, but now it's being shoved back in my face.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.15 09:19:00 - [62] I find it very entertaining that most carebears think that pirates are only after "ph4t l3w7" and easy kills. Most of us do it for the pretty explosions and the thrill of the hunt. The loot is just bonus. I made this character in preparation for faction warfare. I got bored, and my sec status paid the ultimate price. I am not a templar, a fighter drone used by carriers.
Brother Welcome Icarus' Wings	Posted - 2008.06.15 09:45:00 - [63] Originally by: Viral Shadow and there is also a diff in fighting 10 people and getting invaded by 50 people vs the 5-10 pirates that usually are together in a system Yes it's true. In every killmail where pirates have killed me it's always been my 1 ship to their 5-10. The same difference in fighting seems to apply to 5-10 up against 50.
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.15 09:49:00 - [64] Yeah i am sure pirates like hauler explosions better than battleship explosions, so they prefer attacking haulers btw, about half an hour ago (i think), caldari and gallente forces had a little fleet battle. Result was a win for the caldari (dont worry, we planned that at the bbq). Since my pod survived with less then 30% structure left i didnt really stayed there, but reports were that after that a pirate gang destroyed many of the caldari who were looting wrecks. So some pirates can adapt.
Patsy kavanagh	Posted - 2008.06.15 09:56:00 - [65] I don't know where these blobs you lot have been talking about are, I've been doing some fw over the weekend and we were all split up in squads of 10 or so doing various complexs and camping various gates to keep the constelation locked down, it was great, small scale pvp but with lots of peeps all doing it at once :)
Antraxx Deviance Inc Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.06.15 10:09:00 - [66] Always gives me a giggle to see people coming out with the old "You will never attack an even sized gang-You just want to camp solo haulers" etc.. Speaking for my own Corp,and the Alliance it belongs to,we will ALWAYS happily engage greater numbers. If a gate is camped,then everything dies that comes through-Not just the poor defenceless T1 haulers.If a blob comes through-Then we'll fight it if there's even a remote chance of a good outcome. (Like you lot wouldnt gank a flashy red hauler that was all alone eh? ^^) Tbh FW hasnt changed our gameplan or objectives one single bit.We'll continue to do what we do,and enjoy our way of playing this Intarweb Pew Pew game. Piracy is about the thrill of the hunt,the sheer rush as the anti's send their blobs against you,and ofc-That glow after you engage 2-3 ships while alone,and win ^^. Funny that when pirates use 5-10 man gangs to roam/camp,then everyone shouts about how they only gank solo targets etc,but those same people will happily bring in a blob to squash like 2 ships...Whats the difference? FDN in particular are well known for this-They have dropped multiple caps on a single camping pirate BC. meh-Whine//Gloat all you like,Nothings changed. ---------- ---------- Deviance Inc. is recruiting!-Eve mail me :) Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.15 10:25:00 - [67] Originally by: Ulfgar Rumnarn I have noticed a lot of former pirates joining the militias. There are several outlaws and also just slightly negative sec status in militias now. This intrigues me. Is this because it gives them far greater ability to find targets to pop without having to worry about grinding up sec staus later? Is this the end of most pirating as we know it? I would like to hear what other people think. It is early on and already I see a lot of pirates joining militias. Maybe FW is so much fun pirates figure thier EVE dollars are better spend playing FW instead of gate camping? The lowsec areas where FW takes place have seen a dramatic reduction in pirating, as the FW gangs are PvP fitted and like blowing things up. The pirates don't like that. Piracy is all about easy ganks and the economic benefits of them. FW has breathed new life into lowsec, and the pirates have pretty much given up in places like amamake. ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.15 10:26:00 - [68] Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/06/2008 10:33:27 Originally by: Pallas Minervo Most pirates can fly caps... so this is going to escalate quickly. I'm still waiting on a pirate mothership to start plowing through fields of frigs and cruisers with officer smarties. lol please do start using caps Not everyone in FW is a nublet. (edit for spelling :p) ----------
Subedai	Posted - 2008.06.15 10:56:00 - [69] The pirates can either run around losec for 30 jumps finding absolutely noone at a belt or join fw and have targets right there and then. If you became a pirate for the chance of "any" pvp and u had those 2 choices - which would u go for? Unlike popular opinion most pirates are sick of the only targets for hours on end being macro mission runners in haulers.
Bellum Eternus D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:15:00 - [70] It amuses me that carebears think that they can comment on pirates and piracy in general with any degree of accuracy or intelligence. If you've never been a pirate yourself, you don't know anything about it. All this rhetoric is just that. All I've seen from FW is nano blobs. If I wanted that, I'd fly in 0.0. The whole point of lowsec was to fight in an environment that was different from 0.0 but it looks like that's changing for the worse. Oh well. Don't pat yourselves on the back too hard carebears. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.

Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Bellum Eternus It amuses me that carebears think that they can comment on pirates and piracy in general with any degree of accuracy or intelligence. If you've never been a pirate yourself, you don't know anything about it. I have pirated. I knocked up about 250 solo kills before losing one Thorax. Was it challenging? No. Was it fun? At times. Did I go for easy ganks? Of course. Was it profitable? Absolutely. Ultimately it was boring because there was no challenge. I mean, by all means pirate, think you're uber for blowing up mining Apocs in a T1 cruiser, and make some money from it. Just don't expect anyone to be impressed. ----------
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:24:00 - [72] Originally by: Damned Force yes FW is destroying the last fun pvp. 0.0 is boring because blob, so thats because most hardcore pvp-ers goes into lowsec to pirating and have fun with 5-10 man gangs to maybe attack an another 5-10 man gang. Now with FW devs pushed 200 man blobs into this part of the game and so destroying the last small gang pvp possibility. i hate that this looser devs cant think out of box and see before a change what would be the consequence are you serious? You're saying roaming gangs of around 5 transport-gankers should be prioritized over the 10 thousand-ish militia pilots? Really?
HakanSherif Invicta.	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:29:00 - [73] We were going to wait like 2 weeks atleast to see how it goes but when some stupid caldari guys came to our system and made it contested we said ** it and enlisted. I am still trying to convince ppl to switch to minmatar tho coz galdari is kinda you know.. I was against FW and i am glad i was mistaken. Est Sularus oth Mithas**
Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:33:00 - [74] Pirating and participation in FW doesn't exclude each other, you just get a bunch of new targets you can conveniently hunt in small and fast groups, think of mixed AF/EAS/ceptor/cruiser gangs that are capable of moving through the warzone without being molested. No need for the 4 HIC + 10 BS camps that seem to be so popular lately. Don't believe the people saying the militias have crappy fittings, some do but there are lots of T2 ships to kill Loot is actually quite good taking into account your individual survivability. For those interested in historical context you might want to read this.
MrChook Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:40:00 - [75] Originally by: RuleoftheBone -I have yet to see any "militia" in anything other than T1 frigs/dessies/cruisers. Then again..I have not entered the Black Rise region yet. It's on my "to do" list. You must be flying around in the wrong area because a lot of the gangs I've been in have included T2 ships. Check out the battle clinic killboards (seems to have become the defacto KB for at least the Minmatar militia). One reason you see a lot of small T1 ships is that they are the only ones that can enter the smaller capture sites so you need a few of those. And of course, the majority of the sites seem to be of the minor variety and people hate sitting at the entry gate waiting for 10 minutes so most of them bring small T1 ships. That said, there still are some pirates around that are doing well, they avoid the blobs and pick of solo pilots or smaller gangs. I do, however, at the ones that are whining on the forums about blobs and what not. One such group got my poor little Ishkur last night (I just knew uncloaking to help the Drake was a bad idea )
Gunzo San	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:02:00 - [76] As Regards the OP question, The term 'Pirates' is relative, FW is taking PvP'rs away from thier normal activities, wether they be Gankers, Roamers or chancers. Lets face it some folks just want to fight. Professional 'Pirates', as always, already have and will continue to survive. Interestingly, the shoe being on the other foot. All the Carebears that now fly in FW fleets are gleefully blobbing anyone with neg sec (and neutrals if they are unlucky enough to get in the way).Not so different from the Gankers after all are you? Proffessional PvP Outlaws will take on anything they think they can handle, this includes being outnumbered..if they think they can handle it. taking on an 80+ gang is lunacy tho. Bring on FW, its Win for everyone as far as i can tell.
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:03:00 - [77] Originally by: MrChook Originally by: RuleoftheBone -I have yet to see any "militia" in anything other than T1 frigs/dessies/cruisers. Then again..I have not entered the Black Rise region yet. It's on my "to do" list. You must be flying around in the wrong area because a lot of the gangs I've been in have included T2 ships. Check out the battle clinic killboards (seems to have become the defacto KB for at least the Minmatar militia). One reason you see a lot of small T1 ships is that they are the only ones that can enter the smaller capture sites so you need a few of those. And of course, the majority of the sites seem to be of the minor variety and people hate sitting at the entry gate waiting for 10 minutes so most of them bring small T1 ships. That said, there still are some pirates around that are doing well, they avoid the blobs and pick of solo pilots or smaller gangs. I do, however, at the ones that are whining on the forums about blobs and what not. One such group got my poor little Ishkur last night (I just knew uncloaking to help the Drake was a bad idea ) Cloak on Ishkur? Anyway...as far as Metropolis goes the activity has been confined mainly to T1 frigs/dessies backed up by the odd recon. Mostly 5-10 man gangs max...I guess the larger blobs are elsewhere. In the meantime I visited Caldari space and ganked a Hurricane and Covetor . And in doing my part for the Minmatar cause some random Kestrel pilot who ejected from his ship for unknown reasons in a Minmatar contested system was returned to his/her cloning bay too. Loot was crap....bummer eh? Just doing my nominal bit for the Minnies . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Shaox The Aggressors	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:07:00 - [78] As an Outlaw / Pirate turned FWer I think a lot of you are missing the point. Myself, and most pirates I knew were in it for the fights. FW brings a whole load of new players into lowsec, and with it a whole load more fights. Despite the Tama clusterfu FW is the best thing to happen to low sec and piracy in a long time, FW is a breath of life that low sec desperately needed (atleast short term, I do not know if it will continue to bring such high amounts of players out here). My biggest concern is that FW encourages everyone to fly complete trash (or you are unable to get into half the complexes). Before I wouldn't even shoot anything smaller than a BC because it was a complete waste of time, now I'm gunning for t1 frigates with a vengeance. I guess the main reason for this is that after getting a kill I dont have to spend 15 minutes switching safespots waiting for aggression to fade now.
Gunzo San	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:10:00 - [79] Originally by: Shaox I guess the main reason for this is that after getting a kill I dont have to spend 15 minutes switching safespots waiting for aggression to fade now. You can dock, you know shipmate
Shaox The Aggressors	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:20:00 - [80] Edited by: Shaox on 15/06/2008 12:20:00 Yeah but docking gives you fresh 15 minute agro from the corporation who owns the station (which then gets refreshed again if you undock within that 15m).

Adsterine Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:28:00 - [81] FW is porkalicious [URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:46:00 - [82] Edited by: Esu Nahalas on 15/06/2008 12:51:01 Originally by: Antraxx Funny that when pirates use 5-10 man gangs to roam/camp,then everyone shouts about how they only gank solo targets etc,but those same people will happily bring in a blob to squash like 2 ships...Whats the difference? From an objective standpoint (I can't even play the game at the moment because my computer can't handle it), the difference is that, generally, this forum has shifted from people complaining about lowsec being empty to people complaining about fleets* in lowsec. Think about that for a minute. Edit: specifically, the earlier "complaints" were about how to get more people into lowsec. _____ *I don't use the word "blob" on principle.
burek Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:55:00 - [83] Originally by: Templar Dane I find it very entertaining that most carebears think that pirates are only after "ph4t l3w7" and easy kills. Most of us do it for the pretty explosions and the thrill of the hunt. The loot is just bonus. So, still flying that cloaking punisher, big man?
Bomberos	Posted - 2008.06.15 13:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Wen Johen I find it very funny because I remember some of the pirates beating their chests here on forums about how they are going to slaughter all the FW carebears and noobs and FW is going to fail. And now look who is getting slaughtered haha so true
J Valkor Invicta.	Posted - 2008.06.15 14:19:00 - [85] Originally by: Nyphur A lot of pirates thought that FW would provide them with lots of little targets. Unfortunately for them, it's actually provided them with several huge fleets per day which are actually very well coordinated. They've got the choice to join one of the militias and have some fleet op fun or fight against both sides. We've seen how badly pirate gatecamps go when a 200-man caldari blob runs through it. I'm sure some of the most skilled pirates will refuse to join either side but I have seen a number of them join militias. It's fun lowsec PvP and plenty of it, that's pretty much what most of the current pirates want. Ahahahahahaha.
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.06.15 19:14:00 - [86] You guys know that to get into Black Rise you can go through Piak in Lonetrek as well right? Piak to Onnamon. Then you can avoid the Tama gate blobs. Also feel free to stop by Piak III - Moon 19 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant as buy some ammo for your ships or a new ship. I am always working on providing everything you may need for your cheap frills PvP needs. Also make sure to offload all your trit and high end minerals there at those buy orders while you are at it. Yes I am loving FW and all its new opportunities for the market! This is my Opinion and not that of Black River Industries or any of its members.
Gurney H	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:03:00 - [87] It's not one way or another against piracy, it's just become much more even odds. I've seen a LOT of pirates die at the hands of fleets in plexes, at gates, everywhere. I've seen them die, come back, die again. Once on a FW mission my small gang got ganked by pirates, but then we assembled a larger gang and drove them off. Later in the day, I found my militia mates picking over the corpses of these so-called "skilled" pirates. Having to watch out for privateers is a fun element of FW, hopefully the pirates stick around because we need targets of opportunity.
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:16:00 - [88] Originally by: Cloora You guys know that to get into Black Rise you can go through Piak in Lonetrek as well right? Piak to Onnamon. Then you can avoid the Tama gate blobs. Also feel free to stop by Piak III - Moon 19 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant as buy some ammo for your ships or a new ship. I am always working on providing everything you may need for your cheap frills PvP needs. Also make sure to offload all your trit and high end minerals there at those buy orders while you are at it. Yes I am loving FW and all its new opportunities for the market! This, from there it's usually a blob-free path to any caldari or gallente FW system. You do pretty bad at supplying though, Onnamon's state war academy station is better stocked by ammo
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:40:00 - [89] Originally by: FlameGlow This, from there it's usually a blob-free path to any caldari or gallente FW system. You do pretty bad at supplying though, Onnamon's state war academy station is better stocked by ammo Well, Piak is only one jump away from there, and if you are in need of Drakes or HAM ammo Piak is your place. I have been working furiously to get the needed minerals to make more of the low end ammos and ships. Damn ammo takes SOOOO long to make! This is my Opinion and not that of Black River Industries or any of its members.
Redback911 Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:54:00 - [90] Still pirating and loving it. FW has brought a refereshing wind throughout lowsec.

Corwain DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:04:00 - [91] I never presumed to guess what would happen to pirates when FW hit, but I have always said that good pirate is worth 5 0.0 soldiers, not the FCs and PvP leaders, the rest of the sheep that just do what they're told and fit what they're told. Recently I was watching Cown's latest PvP vid. Best part of the whole movie he gets jumped by about 50 Noob Mercs in frigs and cruisers and dies a (slightly slow) painful death jammed and webbed just out of dock range. Now while Cown is not explicitly a pirate (he does engage in criminal acts in losec from time to time) the principle applies. Cown could probly have taken 5-10 of them provided that he stayed unjammed. 50? Heck no. P.S. Noob mercs is a misnomer, I'm not saying they're not amazing in my example. :-P I also believe that a single pirate is worth 10 hisec mission runners turned militiamen, however the pirates you're killing are often outgunned by not 5 to 1, or 10 to 1, but 50 or 100 to 1, perhaps 25 to 1 at best. That's pretty dang slim odds there. Logically I'd assume that they'd get your respect, but seeing as this is militia propaganda I see logic doesn't apply. Not all pirates are gatecampers, and I hesitate to call those "pirating" in hisec pirates either. Some pirates roam around, or wait hidden in system waiting for someone to leave the slight safety of sentry guns to scan them down and fight them there. Lately I've been using a cloaked Rapier, (or Pilgrim if I'm feeling suicidal) to do just that, and unless your militia has some pretty amazing intel on me they're not gonna know I'm even there to bait so you will hardly notice me as you pass by. "Oh, lone pirate in local, nothing on scanner. Probly docked." So in conclusion I thank you at clearing out the pirates dumb enough to let a giant blob of ships sneak up on them without any of their cloaked scouts notice you. /ramble -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Dapper Danny Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:10:00 - [92] Piracy in Low sec dead?... beh, Mega Blobs?... beh Over the last 4 days ive seen nothing to indicate it. In Minmatar/Amarr contested id say the largest visible fleet (by that I mean the fleet is actually about 2 times larger than what you can see since usually half of them are either lost, on their way to the blob or broken up into smaller gangs in neighboring systems) largest fleet would be normaly 15-20 ships together at one time, usualy its around the 12-15 ship range... hardly a blob when you consider the ship make up when compared to what its like in 0.0. As for piracy heres two events I witnessed running around in my Hound in Min/Amarr contested. Im sitting about 100km off the Koureman(sp?)/Houla(sp?) jump gate when a 12 man Amarr blob jumps in they take up stationary position obviously gonna gate camp for a while, I think to myself YAY, I can take pot shots at some of em and I might get lucky, meanwhile I tell the fleet the intel. Suddenly a couple of militia members turn up (from another fleet) and suddenly get slaughtered by the blob. About 30 seconds latter 3 flashy reds jump through in BS's a quick check shows them as low sec pirates (cant remember the corp) all hell breaks loose as Amarr ships start going pop all over the place not to mention about 5 neutrals jump through as the last few Amarr ships are destroyed or manage to warp, and the 3 flashies start to tear into them as well. Its over pretty quick and the the pirates jump out. I tell the fleet theyve missed it. Another encounter was during a plex capture, we capture the plex and a Vagabond warps into the plex all flashing a nice red, the majority of the fleet in the plex turn and engage, the Vaga warps off to a near by planet. About 3 others follow it including myself. I arrive and cloak noticing the other 2 red flashies at the planet, along with 2 militia wrecks and a 3rd pilot warping out. Nice trap they laid. I hope the pirates dont all quit lowsec... it'll be no fun. *- The Boot.ini Incident glances off your EvE Install causing no real damage! -*
xFeniXz	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:18:00 - [93] Originally by: Damned Force yes FW is destroying the last fun pvp. 0.0 is boring because blob, so thats because most hardcore pvp-ers goes into lowsec to pirating and have fun with 5-10 man gangs to maybe attack an another 5-10 man gang. Now with FW devs pushed 200 man blobs into this part of the game and so destroying the last small gang pvp possibility. i hate that this looser devs cant think out of box and see before a change what would be the consequence I don't get you guys. You can do small scale pvp easier in 0.0 just look at burn Eden for example of how a small Corp can hurt large alliances
Pallas Minervo	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Butter Dog The lowsec areas where FW takes place have seen a dramatic reduction in pirating, as the FW gangs are PvP fitted and like blowing things up. The pirates don't like that. Piracy is all about easy ganks and the economic benefits of them. FW has breathed new life into lowsec, and the pirates have pretty much given up in places like amamake. lol? Have you been to amamake this week? Everyone's getting waxed.
Recon Three 181st Legion The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:29:00 - [95] This thread seems to be nothing but a carebear pirate bashing thread, rofl. "OH SNAP YOU CAN'T FIGHT AGAINST A MASSIVE FLEET OF CARRIERS HUH?! IN YOUR HEAVY ASSAULT SHIPS! HAHAHA" Silly carebears. __________
Hurtado Soneka	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:35:00 - [96] FW makes life easier for pirates, they hang around lvl1 mission stations waiting for new guys to join the milita then pop them when they undock...
Feng Schui Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:46:00 - [97] Edited by: Feng Schui on 15/06/2008 21:47:30 Took a break from Eve for a little while, came back to explore Black Rise. Needless to say, I haven't seen anything change. Keep in mind I am flashy red, so I can be shot at the sentries, and I was flying a Pilgrim ofc. 0.0 -> Low sec; blobbed (not unusual tbh). Get to low sec, see a hurricane, locked him, he locked me, sat there for a few minutes, then he jumped. Oh well. Few more jumps, I see the same hurricane pilot, but this time with a Drake. They go the other direction w/o firing on me.. bleh 10 jumps later, I see a Rook. Wth, maybe he won't warp away. I lock him, he locks me, I set my drones out, he jams me, my drones go on him, few seconds later, he warps away. I sit out my aggression on the gate, and a Deimos arrives (same corp as the Rook). Deimos engages, I sit there and orbit the gate at 500 meters. Deimos never hits me, but of course, he is using Vespa EC-600's, and there's that Rook... I jump through. Get into Black rise, jump into a 12 man gate camp, I uncloak on the gate, everyone jumps through except a Thorax. I lock the thorax, wait a few minutes, and then the gate starts activating again, local spikes, I jump through. Few more jumps, I see an ishtar. I lock him, gate activates, local spikes by 12. I jump through.. 20 more people on the other side of the gate. So I get to exploring, I warp to an acceleration gate. Vagabond sitting on it, I uncloak after getting out of warp (yay for warping to 0 on the gate, even though you choose 10km). Vagabond locks me, disrupts me, I web him, he outruns my drones orbitting me at 10km (I had my web overheated btw). WTF? Rapier uncloaks, webs me, get the rapier down to armor, I pop. I see nothing has changed edit: yay for going 50 some odd jumps and not getting a decent fight :\ Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:59:00 - [98] Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/06/2008 22:02:54 You are lucky you werent destroyed faster
Feng Schui Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.15 22:04:00 - [99] oh, they tried to ambush me by jumping ahead of me, but when i waited, they jumped back through, letting me get away. Not the smartest bunch if you ask me. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.06.15 22:09:00 - [100] I like this prospect, had I been a militiaman with a grudge I'd turned those guns on the 'reformed' pirates if and when I had the drop on them. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As

Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.15 23:57:00 - [101] Originally by: Corwain I also believe that a single pirate is worth 10 hisec mission runners turned militiamen, however the pirates you're killing are often outgunned by not 5 to 1, or 10 to 1, but 50 or 100 to 1, perhaps 25 to 1 at best. That's pretty dang slim odds there. Logically I'd assume that they'd get your respect, but seeing as this is militia propaganda I see logic doesn't apply. During my few days so far in FW, I've directly encountered three pirates who assumed everyone doing FW is a clueless nub. A zealot who died to my stabber, a munnin who tried to engage my vaga, and today (most amusing of all) a rupture who I killed with a Thrasher after he engaged me. Its not the FW'ers looking clueless at the moment. And how anyone can claim pirates are 'excellent' PvPers when piracy is an economic choice based entirely on easy kills, I am uncertain. So if there are any decent pirates out there, please come to Amamake and entertain my corp. Perhaps you can restore my faith in your 'profession' ----------
Feng Schui Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:12:00 - [102] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Corwain I also believe that a single pirate is worth 10 hisec mission runners turned militiamen, however the pirates you're killing are often outgunned by not 5 to 1, or 10 to 1, but 50 or 100 to 1, perhaps 25 to 1 at best. That's pretty dang slim odds there. Logically I'd assume that they'd get your respect, but seeing as this is militia propaganda I see logic doesn't apply. During my few days so far in FW, I've directly encountered three pirates who assumed everyone doing FW is a clueless nub. A zealot who died to my stabber, a munnin who tried to engage my vaga, and today (most amusing of all) a rupture who I killed with a Thrasher after he engaged me. Its not the FW'ers looking clueless at the moment. And how anyone can claim pirates are 'excellent' PvPers when piracy is an economic choice based entirely on easy kills, I am uncertain. So if there are any decent pirates out there, please come to Amamake and entertain my corp. Perhaps you can restore my faith in your 'profession' I highlighted the keywords in your statement for the reason that I won't take you up on your offer. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.16 01:25:00 - [103] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Corwain I also believe that a single pirate is worth 10 hisec mission runners turned militiamen, however the pirates you're killing are often outgunned by not 5 to 1, or 10 to 1, but 50 or 100 to 1, perhaps 25 to 1 at best. That's pretty dang slim odds there. Logically I'd assume that they'd get your respect, but seeing as this is militia propaganda I see logic doesn't apply. During my few days so far in FW, I've directly encountered three pirates who assumed everyone doing FW is a clueless nub. A zealot who died to my stabber, a munnin who tried to engage my vaga, and today (most amusing of all) a rupture who I killed with a Thrasher after he engaged me. Its not the FW'ers looking clueless at the moment. And how anyone can claim pirates are 'excellent' PvPers when piracy is an economic choice based entirely on easy kills, I am uncertain. So if there are any decent pirates out there, please come to Amamake and entertain my corp. Perhaps you can restore my faith in your 'profession' Allow me to dance naked for you SKUNK
MrChook Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.16 01:40:00 - [104] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Cloak on Ishkur? You should look up the kill mail, it's even more than just the cloak. In my defence, it was set up for a specific job which it was doing very well at until I stupidly decloaked and then MWDed in the wrong direction. The vaga had me before I could turn around and warp off Originally by: RuleoftheBone In the meantime I visited Caldari space and ganked a Hurricane and Covetor . And in doing my part for the Minmatar cause some random Kestrel pilot who ejected from his ship for unknown reasons in a Minmatar contested system was returned to his/her cloning bay too. Loot was crap....bummer eh? Just doing my nominal bit for the Minnies . Good Man !
JafoPBCFR	Posted - 2008.06.16 01:47:00 - [105] reduction in piracy/ well not what ive seen. One corp. thats Pirate has setup a daily gate camp at a back door sustem to the FW area.
Trojanman190 Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:45:00 - [106] When I think pirate I think of a dude that makes his kills for money and not to prove a point or just pvp randomly. PVPers with low sec status may not be PIRATES. PVPers with high sec status may BE PIRATES. Historically 'Privateers' were highered by empires to 'Pirate' other empires. This sounds an awful lot like many empire wardecing corps... corps full of dudes with decent sec status. My opinion is that you are only a pirate if you pvp to make money, ie, RANSOMS. You make a bunch more off ransoms than you do shooting the ship. But why are the pirates going away? It's hard to ransom a 200 man blob. I don't blame them for vanishing.
Johncrab XBeyond	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:57:00 - [107] Edited by: Johncrab on 16/06/2008 15:00:48 I joined because I noticed it would increase the number of kills. Why? Because even without targeting minmatar and gallente militia members, I can still kill everyone else with the plus that I can pop amarr and caldari militia witout criminal flag. This means I can even kill targets with a frigate near sentry guns and can even pod kill without criminal flag. So far it has been worth it and I din't join any of the blobs yet. Having great fun and have to say FW ftw tbh. Edit: Just to mention that I'm not a pirate at heart But it's the only option if you fly solo most of the times and want to have plenty of targets. And, of course, don't have the patiente to farm mishs to keep sec status up.
Ion Hound Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.16 15:53:00 - [108] I think some of the people showing off against pirates here are pretty confused and not experienced enough of fighting in eve. Thruth is that in the end your FW Fleets do the same thing as the pirate gangs do. Its only a question of your perspective.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2008.06.17 19:10:00 - [109] Originally by: burek Originally by: Templar Dane I find it very entertaining that most carebears think that pirates are only after "ph4t l3w7" and easy kills. Most of us do it for the pretty explosions and the thrill of the hunt. The loot is just bonus. So, still flying that cloaking punisher, big man? From time to time. If you're in the right place at the right time, you may even see my cloaking armageddon...zooming right past your gatecamps.......again I am not a templar, a fighter drone used by carriers.
Thirzarr	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:23:00 - [110] Edited by: Thirzarr on 17/06/2008 21:23:07 giggles This is a little weird, actually. Pirates (pre EA): "ARGH! There is like NO ONE in lowsec except pirates! This sucks so badly! CCP please do SOMETHING! Anything to make the carebears go to lowsec!" CCP: "A'ight, will do!" Hordes and hordes of screaming carebears with Vet-Alt FCs storm into lowsec and blob the gates Pirates (now): "ARGH! There is like only carebears in lowsec now and they arent fitted with cargo expanders!" CCP: "Well you wanted them in lowsec, no?" Pirates: "Ohhhhh, I see what you... me.... oh... you.... GAAAAAAH!" I think its great. Lots of stuff is getting destroyed, T1-Small-Ship item market is reconvering from over-abundance. This might actually get interesting. Lets just see what a couple of months of this will produce. :)

James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:46:00 - [111] Lowsec was dead. Lowsec now isn't. This I consider a positive result. I think things will stablise too, and piracy will continue. It'll just have to evolve a bit, and the 'newbie' pirates will have to up their game. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:16:00 - [112] Visited Black Rise finally. I see the moon mining and POS spam is fully up and rolling . Good luck and good hunting to those who have not yet sold out to the blob . Nice to see the additional losec traffic. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:47:00 - [113] No I suspect that its taking the gankers and low sec killers, out of piracy. If you're in it for the kill FW makes sense to sign up.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:03:00 - [114] This thread seem to be full of butt hurt Pirates waving their e-peens around in a desperate attempt to stay relevant in today's Low Sec.
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.18 06:43:00 - [115] Originally by: Kelli Flay This thread seem to be full of butt hurt Pirates waving their e-peens around in a desperate attempt to stay relevant in today's Low Sec. FW has been in place for what...a week? Right back at you . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
deeper throat	Posted - 2008.06.18 08:05:00 - [116] I remember 3 aeons of low sec. First aeon, we had "zomg can't go through Egghelende, Amamake and Siseide because tiller and his gang will wtfpwn you, regardless of your intent. Goodbye easy going sunday afternoons." Second aeon, there was this big gap... no one in low sec, if you wanted to kill something, you had to search for ages. Low sec became a lonely, boring place. Terrible. Now the third aeon - the aeon of factional warfare. So much fun, so much action, so much life. I love this new age of bloodshed and glory. CCP should make all low sec contested tbh. Maybe introduce npc pirate offices in high sec surrounded low sec systems and contest systems between empire factions and npc pirates.


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