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Corwain
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:04:00 -
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I never presumed to guess what would happen to pirates when FW hit, but I have always said that good pirate is worth 5 0.0 soldiers, not the FCs and PvP leaders, the rest of the sheep that just do what they're told and fit what they're told.
Recently I was watching Cown's latest PvP vid. Best part of the whole movie he gets jumped by about 50 Noob Mercs in frigs and cruisers and dies a (slightly slow) painful death jammed and webbed just out of dock range. Now while Cown is not explicitly a pirate (he does engage in criminal acts in losec from time to time) the principle applies. Cown could probly have taken 5-10 of them provided that he stayed unjammed. 50? Heck no. P.S. Noob mercs is a misnomer, I'm not saying they're not amazing in my example. :-P
I also believe that a single pirate is worth 10 hisec mission runners turned militiamen, however the pirates you're killing are often outgunned by not 5 to 1, or 10 to 1, but 50 or 100 to 1, perhaps 25 to 1 at best. That's pretty dang slim odds there. Logically I'd assume that they'd get your respect, but seeing as this is militia propaganda I see logic doesn't apply.
Not all pirates are gatecampers, and I hesitate to call those "pirating" in hisec pirates either. Some pirates roam around, or wait hidden in system waiting for someone to leave the slight safety of sentry guns to scan them down and fight them there.
Lately I've been using a cloaked Rapier, (or Pilgrim if I'm feeling suicidal) to do just that, and unless your militia has some pretty amazing intel on me they're not gonna know I'm even there to bait so you will hardly notice me as you pass by. "Oh, lone pirate in local, nothing on scanner. Probly docked."
So in conclusion I thank you at clearing out the pirates dumb enough to let a giant blob of ships sneak up on them without any of their cloaked scouts notice you.
/ramble
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Dapper Danny
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:10:00 -
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Piracy in Low sec dead?... beh, Mega Blobs?... beh
Over the last 4 days ive seen nothing to indicate it. In Minmatar/Amarr contested id say the largest visible fleet (by that I mean the fleet is actually about 2 times larger than what you can see since usually half of them are either lost, on their way to the blob or broken up into smaller gangs in neighboring systems) largest fleet would be normaly 15-20 ships together at one time, usualy its around the 12-15 ship range... hardly a blob when you consider the ship make up when compared to what its like in 0.0.
As for piracy heres two events I witnessed running around in my Hound in Min/Amarr contested.
Im sitting about 100km off the Koureman(sp?)/Houla(sp?) jump gate when a 12 man Amarr blob jumps in they take up stationary position obviously gonna gate camp for a while, I think to myself YAY, I can take pot shots at some of em and I might get lucky, meanwhile I tell the fleet the intel. Suddenly a couple of militia members turn up (from another fleet) and suddenly get slaughtered by the blob. About 30 seconds latter 3 flashy reds jump through in BS's a quick check shows them as low sec pirates (cant remember the corp) all hell breaks loose as Amarr ships start going pop all over the place not to mention about 5 neutrals jump through as the last few Amarr ships are destroyed or manage to warp, and the 3 flashies start to tear into them as well. Its over pretty quick and the the pirates jump out. I tell the fleet theyve missed it.
Another encounter was during a plex capture, we capture the plex and a Vagabond warps into the plex all flashing a nice red, the majority of the fleet in the plex turn and engage, the Vaga warps off to a near by planet. About 3 others follow it including myself. I arrive and cloak noticing the other 2 red flashies at the planet, along with 2 militia wrecks and a 3rd pilot warping out. Nice trap they laid.
I hope the pirates dont all quit lowsec... it'll be no fun.
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xFeniXz
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Damned Force
yes FW is destroying the last fun pvp.
0.0 is boring because blob, so thats because most hardcore pvp-ers goes into lowsec to pirating and have fun with 5-10 man gangs to maybe attack an another 5-10 man gang.
Now with FW devs pushed 200 man blobs into this part of the game and so destroying the last small gang pvp possibility.
i hate that this looser devs cant think out of box and see before a change what would be the consequence
I don't get you guys. You can do small scale pvp easier in 0.0 just look at burn Eden for example of how a small Corp can hurt large alliances
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Pallas Minervo
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
The lowsec areas where FW takes place have seen a dramatic reduction in pirating, as the FW gangs are PvP fitted and like blowing things up. The pirates don't like that.
Piracy is all about easy ganks and the economic benefits of them. FW has breathed new life into lowsec, and the pirates have pretty much given up in places like amamake.
lol? Have you been to amamake this week?
Everyone's getting waxed.
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Recon Three
181st Legion
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:29:00 -
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This thread seems to be nothing but a carebear pirate bashing thread, rofl.
"OH SNAP YOU CAN'T FIGHT AGAINST A MASSIVE FLEET OF CARRIERS HUH?! IN YOUR HEAVY ASSAULT SHIPS! HAHAHA"
Silly carebears.
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Hurtado Soneka
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:35:00 -
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FW makes life easier for pirates, they hang around lvl1 mission stations waiting for new guys to join the milita then pop them when they undock...
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Feng Schui on 15/06/2008 21:47:30
Took a break from Eve for a little while, came back to explore Black Rise. Needless to say, I haven't seen anything change. Keep in mind I am flashy red, so I can be shot at the sentries, and I was flying a Pilgrim ofc.
0.0 -> Low sec; blobbed (not unusual tbh).
Get to low sec, see a hurricane, locked him, he locked me, sat there for a few minutes, then he jumped. Oh well.
Few more jumps, I see the same hurricane pilot, but this time with a Drake. They go the other direction w/o firing on me.. bleh 
10 jumps later, I see a Rook. Wth, maybe he won't warp away. I lock him, he locks me, I set my drones out, he jams me, my drones go on him, few seconds later, he warps away. I sit out my aggression on the gate, and a Deimos arrives (same corp as the Rook). Deimos engages, I sit there and orbit the gate at 500 meters. Deimos never hits me, but of course, he is using Vespa EC-600's, and there's that Rook...
I jump through.
Get into Black rise, jump into a 12 man gate camp, I uncloak on the gate, everyone jumps through except a Thorax. I lock the thorax, wait a few minutes, and then the gate starts activating again, local spikes, I jump through.
Few more jumps, I see an ishtar. I lock him, gate activates, local spikes by 12. I jump through.. 20 more people on the other side of the gate. 
So I get to exploring, I warp to an acceleration gate. Vagabond sitting on it, I uncloak after getting out of warp (yay for warping to 0 on the gate, even though you choose 10km). Vagabond locks me, disrupts me, I web him, he outruns my drones orbitting me at 10km (I had my web overheated btw). WTF? Rapier uncloaks, webs me, get the rapier down to armor, I pop.
I see nothing has changed 
edit: yay for going 50 some odd jumps and not getting a decent fight :\
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/06/2008 22:02:54
You are lucky you werent destroyed faster
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.15 22:04:00 -
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oh, they tried to ambush me by jumping ahead of me, but when i waited, they jumped back through, letting me get away. Not the smartest bunch if you ask me.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.06.15 22:09:00 -
[100]
I like this prospect, had I been a militiaman with a grudge I'd turned those guns on the 'reformed' pirates if and when I had the drop on them. 
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.15 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
I also believe that a single pirate is worth 10 hisec mission runners turned militiamen, however the pirates you're killing are often outgunned by not 5 to 1, or 10 to 1, but 50 or 100 to 1, perhaps 25 to 1 at best. That's pretty dang slim odds there. Logically I'd assume that they'd get your respect, but seeing as this is militia propaganda I see logic doesn't apply.
During my few days so far in FW, I've directly encountered three pirates who assumed everyone doing FW is a clueless nub.
A zealot who died to my stabber, a munnin who tried to engage my vaga, and today (most amusing of all) a rupture who I killed with a Thrasher after he engaged me.
Its not the FW'ers looking clueless at the moment. And how anyone can claim pirates are 'excellent' PvPers when piracy is an economic choice based entirely on easy kills, I am uncertain.
So if there are any decent pirates out there, please come to Amamake and entertain my corp. Perhaps you can restore my faith in your 'profession' 
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Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.16 00:12:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Corwain
I also believe that a single pirate is worth 10 hisec mission runners turned militiamen, however the pirates you're killing are often outgunned by not 5 to 1, or 10 to 1, but 50 or 100 to 1, perhaps 25 to 1 at best. That's pretty dang slim odds there. Logically I'd assume that they'd get your respect, but seeing as this is militia propaganda I see logic doesn't apply.
During my few days so far in FW, I've directly encountered three pirates who assumed everyone doing FW is a clueless nub.
A zealot who died to my stabber, a munnin who tried to engage my vaga, and today (most amusing of all) a rupture who I killed with a Thrasher after he engaged me.
Its not the FW'ers looking clueless at the moment. And how anyone can claim pirates are 'excellent' PvPers when piracy is an economic choice based entirely on easy kills, I am uncertain.
So if there are any decent pirates out there, please come to Amamake and entertain my corp. Perhaps you can restore my faith in your 'profession'
I highlighted the keywords in your statement for the reason that I won't take you up on your offer.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.06.16 01:25:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Corwain
I also believe that a single pirate is worth 10 hisec mission runners turned militiamen, however the pirates you're killing are often outgunned by not 5 to 1, or 10 to 1, but 50 or 100 to 1, perhaps 25 to 1 at best. That's pretty dang slim odds there. Logically I'd assume that they'd get your respect, but seeing as this is militia propaganda I see logic doesn't apply.
During my few days so far in FW, I've directly encountered three pirates who assumed everyone doing FW is a clueless nub.
A zealot who died to my stabber, a munnin who tried to engage my vaga, and today (most amusing of all) a rupture who I killed with a Thrasher after he engaged me.
Its not the FW'ers looking clueless at the moment. And how anyone can claim pirates are 'excellent' PvPers when piracy is an economic choice based entirely on easy kills, I am uncertain.
So if there are any decent pirates out there, please come to Amamake and entertain my corp. Perhaps you can restore my faith in your 'profession'
Allow me to dance naked for you
SKUNK
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MrChook
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.16 01:40:00 -
[104]
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Cloak on Ishkur?
You should look up the kill mail, it's even more  than just the cloak. In my defence, it was set up for a specific job which it was doing very well at until I stupidly decloaked and then MWDed in the wrong direction. The vaga had me before I could turn around and warp off 
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
In the meantime I visited Caldari space and ganked a Hurricane and Covetor  .
And in doing my part for the Minmatar cause some random Kestrel pilot who ejected from his ship for unknown reasons in a Minmatar contested system was returned to his/her cloning bay too. Loot was crap....bummer eh?
Just doing my nominal bit for the Minnies .
Good Man !
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JafoPBCFR
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Posted - 2008.06.16 01:47:00 -
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reduction in piracy/ well not what ive seen. One corp. thats Pirate has setup a daily gate camp at a back door sustem to the FW area.
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Trojanman190
Altruism.
Malice.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:45:00 -
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When I think pirate I think of a dude that makes his kills for money and not to prove a point or just pvp randomly.
PVPers with low sec status may not be PIRATES.
PVPers with high sec status may BE PIRATES.
Historically 'Privateers' were highered by empires to 'Pirate' other empires. This sounds an awful lot like many empire wardecing corps... corps full of dudes with decent sec status.
My opinion is that you are only a pirate if you pvp to make money, ie, RANSOMS. You make a bunch more off ransoms than you do shooting the ship.
But why are the pirates going away? It's hard to ransom a 200 man blob. I don't blame them for vanishing.
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Johncrab
XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Johncrab on 16/06/2008 15:00:48
I joined because I noticed it would increase the number of kills.
Why? Because even without targeting minmatar and gallente militia members, I can still kill everyone else with the plus that I can pop amarr and caldari militia witout criminal flag. This means I can even kill targets with a frigate near sentry guns and can even pod kill without criminal flag.
So far it has been worth it and I din't join any of the blobs yet.
Having great fun and have to say FW ftw tbh.
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Just to mention that I'm not a pirate at heart  But it's the only option if you fly solo most of the times and want to have plenty of targets. And, of course, don't have the patiente to farm mishs to keep sec status up. |
Ion Hound
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 15:53:00 -
[108]
I think some of the people showing off against pirates here are pretty confused and not experienced enough of fighting in eve.
Thruth is that in the end your FW Fleets do the same thing as the pirate gangs do. Its only a question of your perspective.
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:10:00 -
[109]
Originally by: burek
Originally by: Templar Dane
I find it very entertaining that most carebears think that pirates are only after "ph4t l3w7" and easy kills. Most of us do it for the pretty explosions and the thrill of the hunt. The loot is just bonus.
So, still flying that cloaking punisher, big man?
From time to time. If you're in the right place at the right time, you may even see my cloaking armageddon...zooming right past your gatecamps.......again
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Thirzarr on 17/06/2008 21:23:07
*giggles*
This is a little weird, actually.
Pirates (pre EA): "ARGH! There is like NO ONE in lowsec except pirates! This sucks so badly! CCP please do SOMETHING! Anything to make the carebears go to lowsec!"
CCP: "A'ight, will do!"
*Hordes and hordes of screaming carebears with Vet-Alt FCs storm into lowsec and blob the gates*
Pirates (now): "ARGH! There is like only carebears in lowsec now and they arent fitted with cargo expanders!"
CCP: "Well you wanted them in lowsec, no?"
Pirates: "Ohhhhh, I see what you... me.... oh... you.... GAAAAAAH!"
I think its great. Lots of stuff is getting destroyed, T1-Small-Ship item market is reconvering from over-abundance. This might actually get interesting. Lets just see what a couple of months of this will produce. :)
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:46:00 -
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Lowsec was dead.
Lowsec now isn't.
This I consider a positive result.
I think things will stablise too, and piracy will continue. It'll just have to evolve a bit, and the 'newbie' pirates will have to up their game.
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RuleoftheBone
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:16:00 -
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Visited Black Rise finally.
I see the moon mining and POS spam is fully up and rolling  .
Good luck and good hunting to those who have not yet sold out to the blob  .
Nice to see the additional losec traffic.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Rabbitual Ferrier
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Posted - 2008.06.17 22:47:00 -
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No I suspect that its taking the gankers and low sec killers, out of piracy.
If you're in it for the kill FW makes sense to sign up.
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:03:00 -
[114]
This thread seem to be full of butt hurt Pirates waving their e-peens around in a desperate attempt to stay relevant in today's Low Sec.
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RuleoftheBone
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.06.18 06:43:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Kelli Flay
This thread seem to be full of butt hurt Pirates waving their e-peens around in a desperate attempt to stay relevant in today's Low Sec.
FW has been in place for what...a week?
Right back at you .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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deeper throat
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Posted - 2008.06.18 08:05:00 -
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I remember 3 aeons of low sec.
First aeon, we had "zomg can't go through Egghelende, Amamake and Siseide because tiller and his gang will wtfpwn you, regardless of your intent. Goodbye easy going sunday afternoons."
Second aeon, there was this big gap... no one in low sec, if you wanted to kill something, you had to search for ages. Low sec became a lonely, boring place. Terrible.
Now the third aeon - the aeon of factional warfare.
So much fun, so much action, so much life. I love this new age of bloodshed and glory.
CCP should make all low sec contested tbh. Maybe introduce npc pirate offices in high sec surrounded low sec systems and contest systems between empire factions and npc pirates.
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