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Athena Tarsis	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:26:00 - [1] Interceptor. Wrestling with the pros and cons of each. Microwarp drive means much faster speed .. but at 5x the signature radius. :( So, that means you'll be going a lot faster, which if you're at angles with your opponent means you'll be harder to track/hit, but it also means you present a much bigger target. With the afterburner, you don't go as fast, but you maintain a teeny sig radius. So: 1735 m/s along with a 26.4 sig radius? or 4715 m/s along with a 158.4 sig radius?
Lord Widman THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:42:00 - [2] AB = you dead MWD = speedtanking I'll let you weigh the pros and con's :P
Furb Killer USC Militia	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:46:00 - [3] When you are just orbitting a non moving BC/BS without drones, AB is probably slightly better. But when using AB, drones and larger ships with mwd easily catch you.
Karma Coma The Rising Stars	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:08:00 - [4] What Furb said, its not much of an interceptor when mwd fitted HACs/cruisers, not to mention other frigates, will go faster then you. My deimos/zealot go faster then your AB fitted ceptor.
Athena Tarsis	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:19:00 - [5] Sounds like compelling arguments for the MWD. :) Thanks for the input!
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:30:00 - [6] neigther fit a plate and a Cargo Expander then you have a armor and honour tank dualtanking is much better than speedtanking these days works with a lot of ships The only numbers I care about are 3-2-1-launch..
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:34:00 - [7] This is what is broken with AB vs MWD. You might think that small sig radius should be enough to avoid fire and missiles but speed is a MUCH higher factor that decreases tracking and missile impact ALOT more then sig radius. Thats the way it is and yeah its broken and yeah you need to fit an MWD.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:45:00 - [8] The M in MWD stands for 'Mandatory'. There are a few exceptions, but if you know what they are, you also know why they are. Interceptors aren't exceptions. A low signature is nice, but when a cruiser with a 90% web and an MWD comes along, you'll die. (Cruisers with MWDs and webs are quite common) -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:19:00 - [9] If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Dheorl If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way. But a pvp cruiser will kill you within web range. A noob cruiser can be killed in a stationary T1 frig so that's no real argument. AB sucks, even in web range.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dheorl If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way. But a pvp cruiser will kill you within web range. A noob cruiser can be killed in a stationary T1 frig so that's no real argument. AB sucks, even in web range. You try hitting someone going 210m/s at a range of 500m and with a sig of about 25m using cruiser guns.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dheorl If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way. But a pvp cruiser will kill you within web range. A noob cruiser can be killed in a stationary T1 frig so that's no real argument. AB sucks, even in web range. You try hitting someone going 210m/s at a range of 500m and with a sig of about 25m using cruiser guns. Don't have to hit you much. A slight sneeze, missile launcher or a hobgoblin II means you die. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:42:00 - [13] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dheorl If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way. But a pvp cruiser will kill you within web range. A noob cruiser can be killed in a stationary T1 frig so that's no real argument. AB sucks, even in web range. You try hitting someone going 210m/s at a range of 500m and with a sig of about 25m using cruiser guns. Don't have to hit you much. A slight sneeze, missile launcher or a hobgoblin II means you die. I can easily tank light drones long enough to kill them, a single missile launcher will do FA to me, the only thing to worry about is a lucky chain of wreckings.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dheorl If I know I'm going to be going into web range against a cruiser such as in my rocket malediction then I fit a AB purely because when in web range the AB will get you a much higher trasnversal. If I'm going to be orbiting outside of web range then it's generally MWD all the way. But a pvp cruiser will kill you within web range. A noob cruiser can be killed in a stationary T1 frig so that's no real argument. AB sucks, even in web range. You try hitting someone going 210m/s at a range of 500m and with a sig of about 25m using cruiser guns. Don't have to hit you much. A slight sneeze, missile launcher or a hobgoblin II means you die. I can easily tank light drones long enough to kill them, a single missile launcher will do FA to me, the only thing to worry about is a lucky chain of wreckings. Cool, sounds like you're all set for killing cruisers, and have found a use for an AB then. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:49:00 - [15] Originally by: James Lyrus The incidences of someone being solo and therefore vulnerable to point blank interceptor face hacking, is depressingly short. That is definatly the hardest part of flying an AB ceptor solo. There are still just about enough targets out there though if you look around a bit.
Streikeer	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:26:00 - [16] So what are the skills that are prety much mandatory to be able to sustain cap stable mwd while orbiting and scrambling an opponent?
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 12:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Streikeer So what are the skills that are prety much mandatory to be able to sustain cap stable mwd while orbiting and scrambling an opponent? High speed manouvering, propulasion jamming, energy management and energy systems operation.
Ceylana Zari	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:13:00 - [18] I DO fly my inty with an AB once in a while. With the right gear you can hit 5k in it with an AB. This with such a small sig radius can really make it hard for people to do anything but watch you circle them. =) It is an option but only if you have the skills and gear to make it so. Of course, like all things in Eve, this is completely situational. CZ
Uncle Smokey	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:00:00 - [19] AB is applicable in gangs, but it is comparatively weak choice. MWD's are generally better. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. \o/ EVERYBODY SAY HELL YEAH! \o/
Helen coracao ardente	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:06:00 - [20] Can't be arsed to run numbers but AB fit intys have uses just not as wide ranging as ones with MWD. Its more a situational thing tbh.
Alex Shurk	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:09:00 - [21] AB fits are pretty universally ****. Too slow, too vulnerable to webs, not versatile enough to be of any actual use to a gang. Just fit an mwd, same goes for every other ship in existence.
Meteor Crash	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:43:00 - [22] Edited by: Meteor Crash on 14/06/2008 20:44:59 There is no MWD vs AB interceptor discussion. You choose MWD, and that is it. If there is any ever a situation to use an AB Interceptor instead of MWD, you're either in the wrong situation, or in the right situation with the right ship, or in the wrong game.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:59:00 - [23] Of course an AB ceptor isn't always the best ship for a job for fighting cruiser in web range, you could always say you may as well use a cruiser if your gona do that, but then why not use a BC or HAC, when it comes to it why not use a BS. It may not be the best ship for the job but it can be great fun and in lowsec you don't need the speed the MWD gives you.
KingOzar Brute Strength THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:24:00 - [24] Um, the interceptors have bonuses to sig radius. Read what the interceptor skill does. You can get an inty down to 5 m2. That's with Halo's, but still. Train the interceptor skill to 4, and you will be good.
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:50:00 - [25] with a full halo set the lowest you can get is a bit over 18m sig, small drones have 25m resolution, so they still can hit you pretty hard. rockets can get down to 20m explosion radius, so the damage reduction by sig nature is minimal, precision light missiles have 15m explo radius and cruises from a stealth bomber 21. All those will kill you. You have trouble engaging with ab as you're very slow compared to mwding frigs and cruisers, what's worse you can't disengage. circling around anything with a web at 500m is purely hypothetical because you won't be able to dictate range. Now if you do have the money to get a ceptor to decent speeds with ab it might be better, but the question is won't you be doing better flying an ultrafast mwd ceptor for the same money?
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:54:00 - [26] Edited by: Dheorl on 14/06/2008 21:54:25 Originally by: Shiken Kan with a full halo set the lowest you can get is a bit over 18m sig, small drones have 25m resolution, so they still can hit you pretty hard. rockets can get down to 20m explosion radius, so the damage reduction by sig nature is minimal, precision light missiles have 15m explo radius and cruises from a stealth bomber 21. All those will kill you. You have trouble engaging with ab as you're very slow compared to mwding frigs and cruisers, what's worse you can't disengage. circling around anything with a web at 500m is purely hypothetical because you won't be able to dictate range. Now if you do have the money to get a ceptor to decent speeds with ab it might be better, but the question is won't you be doing better flying an ultrafast mwd ceptor for the same money? Your faster than any T1 cruiser with a MWD apart from the stabber. You can therefore orbit at 500m because you can dictate range. Of course your gona stay away from ships desinged to kill you - drone boats spring to mind, how many cruisers fit rockets though and on frigs it doesn't matter because you'll easily manage to kill them first. Also like I said, who cares about a flight of light drones or the odd missile launcher as a secondary weapon, you can kill the drones and tank the missiles.
Alex Shurk	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Dheorl You can therefore orbit at 500m And then get webbed, and then die a horrible, horrible death. You're an interceptor and you're there to tackle. You get to the target as fast as you can, orbit at 20km and point. If it's a nanotarget you overheat your web, go into 11km and web until a huginn can pin it.
Helen coracao ardente	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:01:00 - [28] No EFT for me, I got ingame cloned to my HG snakes and got my poly rigged crow. Gisti A-Type 1MN AB, two OD t2 and a Domi nano got me to 4989m/s. Overheated you can do 6880 m/s. Will edit post when I try it with boosters.
Alex Shurk	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Helen ...my HG snakes and got my poly rigged crow.... Yeah, you can get away with certain AB setups here, but that's several billion isk worth of implants right there :P
KingOzar Brute Strength THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:02:00 - [30] For the record, an inty's design isn't about it living. It's about tackling. You won't keep an inty forever, that's just how it is. Yes, people will tell me I'm wrong. I don't care what you think, I have flown inty's, I have flown inty's worth over 150m. It's not worth it. Fit something small, fast, and cheap. You will loose it, be prepared for that. It's job is to tackle, and it does a good job at it.

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