A lone Thorax shouldn't be able to wonder up to a barge in high-sec and destroy it long before CONCORD make an appearance.

A lone Thorax shouldn't be able to wonder up to a barge in high-sec and destroy it long before CONCORD make an appearance.

It can't, if you fit some tank to the Hulk and mine in higher security systems than 0.5. Being aligned and able to warp out if something looks like it's going wrong, and/or using an alt to summon CONCORD to the belt is also handy.

I mean it doesn't sound like you exactly made much effort to gank-proof your barge, so what do you expect is gonna happen?

"Even with the extra buffage I'd added to the ship it was zapped in a matter of seconds."

Please learn to read, before you start making replies. It helps us all.

Linking the KM would be handy. You've not even stated what security status you were in, let alone ship fit.

Linking the KM is not really necessary, since anyone who has flown a hulk already knows they are paper thin. At a certain point, it is possible to add extra tank by removing mining laser upgrades, but this severely hinders the ISK you earn for your time, which is already considerably lower than any other ISK earning activity.

Linking the KM is not really necessary, since anyone who has flown a hulk already knows they are paper thin. At a certain point, it is possible to add extra tank by removing mining laser upgrades, but this severely hinders the ISK you earn for your time, which is already considerably lower than any other ISK earning activity.

Should high sec hulks be gankable? YES

Should a lone, poorly fit thorax be able to gank a well fit hulk before concord arrives? NO

Should two poorly fit thoraxes be able to do it? YES

In one Eve video, a new player comes to the aid of a hulk under assault. This is not actually possible, as hulks evaporate so quickly. Even if you are there waiting to shoot an aggressor, he can still typically finish the hulk off before he gets popped. Improving the Hulk's survivability, and thereby allowing him to call for player help, would go a long way towards making the game more enjoyable. Slowing the response time of concord would probably be necessary as well, but that could also help to appease the ganking community.

Sums it up nicely: risk vs reward.
If you want to mine in 0.5 with no tank, well, your choice but don't complain when the inevitable happens...

The mining barge is a tool that is meant to be guarded to do its task, including the exhumer

It can't, if you fit some tank to the Hulk and mine in higher security systems than 0.5. Being aligned and able to warp out if something looks like it's going wrong, and/or using an alt to summon CONCORD to the belt is also handy.

I mean it doesn't sound like you exactly made much effort to gank-proof your barge, so what do you expect is gonna happen?

nerf CONCORD, make it easier/safer to gank people in hisec.

i.e. in 0.5, CONCORD doesn't show for GCC (navies do). You can avoid the navy legally*.
Now 0.5 sec mining fleets warrant having a defence fleet.


*change aggression mechanics to prevent docking. Jumping *MAY* be OK (i.e. priates can GTFO to low... if they GTFO to hi, well hilarity will ensue when CONCORD murders them on the gate). Navies can see through cloaks and stuff to keep people from safing up and cloaking.

Hey everyone, let's have a mining OP in high-sec! We're going to defend the **** out of that Hulk so it can make us 20M ISK an hour! Much better than incursions yeah! Oh ****, the Hulk just died from a single alpha from a BS because it has **** all defense! Damn, that just cost us 200M!

1. don't sit the hulks on the warpin (or don't use a hulk)
2. shield ganglinks
3. tank the hulks
4. Rebo'd Falcon or other Ewar platform
5. ???


If all you're in it for is the isk, then run the damn incursion, but then don't ***** when mineral prices continue to rise because no one's mining.

Doesn't it make you wonder why you never see mining ops in lowsec! Oh wait.....!

There is obviously a market for clues on how to tank your hulks. There is also clearly a market for mining ships with enough inherent tank that they are a challenge to gank even when failfit.

ORE's R&D department is working on the latter. For the former I refer you to my good friends Invulnerability Field II and Damage Control Unit II. With judicious application of these fine fellows and fleet boosters (you do have a fleet, right?) it is possible to make a Hulk quite difficult to kill with a T1 fit ship.

funny, we've found low and NPC null quite nice for mining...

ROFL, I doubt that. But hey you can prove it if you like. Tell me where you hold your lowsec mining OPs, and we can soon decide who is right.

We've mined in Basgerin, Mya, Gerper, and out in Molden Heath -- locations usually depend on where we can find grav sites. Though I don't see why it matters at this point, with trit being as stupidly expensive as it is, there's no need to hunt for stuff in low anymore.

ed -- also, camping the gates is immensely helpful