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Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 17:29:36 Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it but I have one more question. I can only currently fly the Amarr SB but since I've seen the sheer popularity of the Manticores, should I switch over to them? Thanks. No I actaully prefer the Purifier and am contimplating training amarr frig 5 for it. What my fitting is lacking is Powegrid and what the purifier has is power grid about 10 more units with my skills (i just eft warriored it up) and thats enough to fit 3x cruise II, 2x sensor booster II, and a mwd II without a pg mod! (my skills again, advanced weapons upgrades 5 and the like) lows can all be overdrives and i am happy as can be. Anyways the purifier has the grid i need for how i like to fit so i would not change the only thing the manticore has going over the purifier is more cpu and a 4th midslot.
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Xaen Because they can't kill anything larger than a frigate without a group of them. And if you have a group of ships you could bring something bigger and do even better for less ISK. They're novelty ships. no they are very specialized ships, nothing like grabing a hold full of missiles and sitting at the undock of a goonswarm station for 3 days straight killing frigs destroyers industrials and their t2 counterparts and them not being able to do much about it Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:43:00 - [33] Edited by: Resamo on 16/06/2008 17:45:16 Originally by: Xaen Because they can't kill anything larger than a frigate without a group of them. And if you have a group of ships you could bring something bigger and do even better for less ISK. They're novelty ships. everyship in eve is a novelty ship depending on the situation. Many people like the ship and have found many good usses for it just because you dont like it or cant find a viable use for it does not mean its crap. I have a ship that i can move around lowsec free (next to unstopable) that can scout and provide large volly damage as well as decent dps for its size 212 dps on my current setup (it could go higher but i like the setup right now). Not everything is about the sheer amount of pew pew you can put out. By your logic an interceptor is useless as well and dont say an interceptor provides valuable tackling and speed because a stealt bomber can provide valuable scouting and you ignored that so you have to ignore anything an inty brings thats not straight dps. Plus there are very few ships that allow you to pick your fights quite like a stealth bomber. yes other ships can cloack but a bomber moves fast with a cloack faster then uncloacked and has no targeting delay.
Selia Rain	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:44:00 - [34] Edited by: Selia Rain on 16/06/2008 17:44:21 Originally by: Stuart Price My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots. Please note that your manticore can deliver 2659 maximum alpha with 2x BCU, max skills, a stationary target with MWD running, and CN cruise. A Taranis with a single DCU II(must fit module for Taranis) has over 4k EHP with a single module buffer, goes 4km/s easily, deals 176 dps, and guess what, his strongest resist is kinetic. You haven't run into one yet, I take it, or stayed cloaked, like a sensible person. A crow would give you problems because it wouldn't stop MWDing and you'd deal zero damage(if you even decloaked), but other closerange 'ceptors that have to get within web range would probably be screwed due to lack of tank(but if somehow you managed to leave one alive after one volley you would also be screwed).
Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Selia Rain Edited by: Selia Rain on 16/06/2008 17:44:21 Originally by: Stuart Price My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots. Please note that your manticore can deliver 2659 maximum alpha with 2x BCU, max skills, a stationary target with MWD running, and CN cruise. A Taranis with a single DCU II(must fit module for Taranis) has over 4k EHP with a single module buffer, goes 4km/s easily, deals 176 dps, and guess what, his strongest resist is kinetic. You haven't run into one yet, I take it, or stayed cloaked, like a sensible person. A crow would give you problems because it wouldn't stop MWDing and you'd deal zero damage(if you even decloaked), but other closerange 'ceptors that have to get within web range would probably be screwed due to lack of tank(but if somehow you managed to leave one alive after one volley you would also be screwed). You test your target and then you run away or cloack... bomber has range and surprize. Anyone can bring up a situation that rules in there favor, i may not kill that taranis but sure as hell he will have 0 chance to kill me and eventualy i will find one thats a little sleepy or fit not the best or in the middile of combat with someone else. Thats the bombers strength the fact that its never down to what the fight says on paper.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Launching from 175KM away must be hell when you try to loot your kills. Actually, if you pop the ship more than 150km away, you can just warp straight to the wreck. So it'd actually be much much faster than engaging and destroying an enemy at, say, 100km. Asides from that I don't have a great deal to add to the main topic - I've played around in SBs a bit, but in the smallish fleets I've been flying in, I've always felt like I'd be making more of an impact in a bigger ship. They are fun, definitely, but they are probably not the most effective choice if you're going for sheer fleet power.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:09:00 - [37] In gangs they are good as hard to destory dps/EW and can also stay behind and provide intel if you need to GTFO and regroup.
PantrashMoFo GALAXIAN Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:13:00 - [38] I personally love my stealth bombers . i can fly all 4 and have recently been trying my luck with bombs (way too pricey imho). having cov-ops at 5 gives it a really nice damage alpha with those faction cruises. its also funny in gangs to top the damage order on a lot of kills. Also the cov-ops lvl 5 can be justified for the scanning ships bonuses so its not as if you are just training for the "glass cannon"
Grann Thefauto Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.16 20:11:00 - [39] I got on 16 km's yesterday with my hound. I lost it to an inty in a huge laggy battle though, but a 16:1 ratio isn't bad at all. Anyone else fit TPs on their bombers for added inty destruction?
Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:28:00 - [40] Edited by: Resamo on 16/06/2008 21:31:06 Originally by: Grann Thefauto I got on 16 km's yesterday with my hound. I lost it to an inty in a huge laggy battle though, but a 16:1 ratio isn't bad at all. Anyone else fit TPs on their bombers for added inty destruction? I find signature radius isnt the problem its the other ships velocity that screws me, unforunatly there is no mods to improve that only 1 rig (we really need an explosion velocity modual) Edit: for me the explosion radius is ~37 for caldari navy cruise and ~25 with precision cruise... so fairly small, target painter wont help much except for on the ocasional interceptor but then again its probably got a mwd going so its signature radius is huge anyways its explosion velocity that gets you.
ViRUS Pottage R.U.S.T. G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.06.16 22:39:00 - [41] Originally by: Arous Drephius Originally by: EvilSpork 38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores. Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores? Rofl. ---------------------------------
Shushan Kadesh	Posted - 2008.06.16 23:58:00 - [42] One question - can you cloak almost immediately after you fire - or will your missiles not do any damage? I like the idea of flinging missiles from 170+ km out, but I'd like to cloak immediately so the opponent just sees the shiny trail of missiles heading towards him.
Corstaad Vardr ok Lidskjalv Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.17 00:37:00 - [43] Got on a few killmails before I lost mine to friendly fire. Theres alot of SBs in the Minny/Amarr conflict. I even got smoked by a SB when some FW people baiting my dessie yarmobile into a complex.
Kuzya Morozov L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.06.17 02:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Shushan Kadesh One question - can you cloak almost immediately after you fire - or will your missiles not do any damage? I like the idea of flinging missiles from 170+ km out, but I'd like to cloak immediately so the opponent just sees the shiny trail of missiles heading towards him. Haha, you wish.
Meridius Dex Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.17 02:27:00 - [45] Originally by: Shushan Kadesh One question - can you cloak almost immediately after you fire - or will your missiles not do any damage? I like the idea of flinging missiles from 170+ km out, but I'd like to cloak immediately so the opponent just sees the shiny trail of missiles heading towards him. If you cloak, your missiles will only fly about 30 KMs before becoming duds. This is why there are two ways to fly an SB: from 150+ away (usually as part of a gatecamp sniping support ships; forget that other know-it-all, almost all interceptors pop like grapes in one volley) or by creeping up to within 30 of a target, decloaking, firing and recloaking instantly. -- Meridius Dex -- Amarr = EVE on Hard setting
Shushan Kadesh	Posted - 2008.06.17 02:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Meridius Dex Originally by: Shushan Kadesh One question - can you cloak almost immediately after you fire - or will your missiles not do any damage? I like the idea of flinging missiles from 170+ km out, but I'd like to cloak immediately so the opponent just sees the shiny trail of missiles heading towards him. If you cloak, your missiles will only fly about 30 KMs before becoming duds. This is why there are two ways to fly an SB: from 150+ away (usually as part of a gatecamp sniping support ships; forget that other know-it-all, almost all interceptors pop like grapes in one volley) or by creeping up to within 30 of a target, decloaking, firing and recloaking instantly. ok, thanks for the helpful post!
Kano Sekor modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:19:00 - [47] You havent seen em cause they use cloaking devices, duh! ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dark Phox One Million ISK	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Kano Sekor You havent seen em cause they use cloaking devices, duh! ^^^^^^^^^^^ WINNAH!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Dark Power Systems
Endel Extreme Games	Posted - 2008.06.17 09:51:00 - [49] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. If they time it perfectly you may die to a well setup and skilled blaster ranis (unless of course you just warp off before it reaches you). And did it really take you that long to perfect your fit, only took me about 2 weeks . fit and tactics yes, lets just say that i have a rather unique fit that people usually ridicule me for when i tell it to them as they cant grasp the concept of it Let me guess your mids. web and painter?
Jerat Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Xaen Stuff Quote: no they are very specialized ships, nothing like grabing a hold full of missiles and sitting at the undock of a goonswarm station for 3 days straight killing frigs destroyers industrials and their t2 counterparts and them not being able to do much about it This :) Fun against gatecamps also, just think outside the box a bit. Lobbing in missiles from 100+km only works in big fights. Anything getting fired at from that rang will simply warp away or get the speed up if they have anything in their brains :D
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:59:00 - [51] I know that if you turn on your cloak, your MWD stays on for the full length of the current cycle and then switches off. Now, assuming that certain other modules work more or less the same way, why not sneak up within range, activate web + painter + damp, fire 1 volley & cloak? It'd still probably work using 2 painters even if you weren't in web range, using a warp disruptor as well. Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri 20:1 low-end compression
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I know that if you turn on your cloak, your MWD stays on for the full length of the current cycle and then switches off. Now, assuming that certain other modules work more or less the same way, why not sneak up within range, activate web + painter + damp, fire 1 volley & cloak? It'd still probably work using 2 painters even if you weren't in web range, using a warp disruptor as well. Targeting instantly turns off. So anything (like EW) that depends on targeting is going to stop working when you cloak. I lost part of two mining cycles that way.
Setana Manoro Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Resamo Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. This is nieve thinking you do alot of damage yes but alot of those ships can kill a sb before it gets its second volly off so there are times when a smaller ship will roast you. it takes 2 seconds of careless and something with a long locking range and you are hooped for cloacking the ships are not exactly manuverable so an interceptor can be on you faster then you can leave. (also dont forget that ocasionaly you decloack someone gets close to you.. or you dont have biomass on your overview (thats happened to me so many f-ing times) as well as a random cloud pulls you out of cloack you wont know what i am talking about until it happens to you.) destroyers and down i double volly if not single volly if the situation is right but well speed F's up missiles and sometimes you hit something for 7pts of damage with your cruise missile and you get really ****ed off. while this is true, if youve been flying and training for stealth bombers as long as i have (just over a year now) you rarely get yourself into these situations......though id be a liar if i said nothing like this has never happend to me recently You mean this one ?
chinnychinchin	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:37:00 - [54] you won't see them because they are cloaked ;-)
Jeckes	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. which imo is absolutely ridiculous.. stealth bombers are supposed to be the frigate to be anti cruiser+ size.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:52:00 - [56] Originally by: Jeckes Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. which imo is absolutely ridiculous.. stealth bombers are supposed to be the frigate to be anti cruiser+ size. If this is the case why on earth do they have such a huge bonus to explosion radius?
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:45:00 - [57] SBs can be a lot of fun. Not sure how well they do in FW, but they excell in 0.0. Hit and run Sig locked, I will not make fun of the forum mods
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:15:00 - [58] Originally by: Endel Let me guess your mids. web and painter? gaah ok ill tell you [Purifier, pvp] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Speed Faint Warp Prohibitor I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile 'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Targeting System Subcontroller I Targeting System Subcontroller I just because you CAN fight at 150km does not mean you should, have to pick your targets but it works for me, its a very personalized setup so don't expect to just be able to get in it and be successful Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Resamo Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. This is nieve thinking you do alot of damage yes but alot of those ships can kill a sb before it gets its second volly off so there are times when a smaller ship will roast you. it takes 2 seconds of careless and something with a long locking range and you are hooped for cloacking the ships are not exactly manuverable so an interceptor can be on you faster then you can leave. (also dont forget that ocasionaly you decloack someone gets close to you.. or you dont have biomass on your overview (thats happened to me so many f-ing times) as well as a random cloud pulls you out of cloack you wont know what i am talking about until it happens to you.) destroyers and down i double volly if not single volly if the situation is right but well speed F's up missiles and sometimes you hit something for 7pts of damage with your cruise missile and you get really **ed off. while this is true, if youve been flying and training for stealth bombers as long as i have (just over a year now) you rarely get yourself into these situations......though id be a liar if i said nothing like this has never happend to me recently You mean this one ? yes that one =D i was SUPPOSED to have my own blackbird support but the enemy bb managed to jamm him =P Originally by:** Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.06.18 09:18:00 - [60] I pretty much think SB are complete nightmares in the right hands. You can't see it and when you can...it brings pain. When you go after it... the rest of them decloack and blow you out from the sky when you are reacting against them. Not really sure how well they behave in fleet combat, but they do deliver nasty suprises when people think it's only a frig. In packs against one ship...and with purpose...deadly.

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