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Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 16:15:52 The only reasons I can surmise is that fittings can be expensive when compared to T1 ships, I fight for the Amarrians who don't use missiles, or people don't want to train the necessary skills. Oh and I'm looking to fly the Amarr SB. Being a future SB pilot (only need the missile skills now), I'm looking for some reasoning behind their lack of appearance. Of course this is only my experience and I'm sure someone will come along and say that they always see someone using them. Are they helpful here or do they just explode too easily? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:15:00 - [2] Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 16:15:52 The only reasons I can surmise is that fittings can be expensive when compared to T1 ships, I fight for the Amarrians who don't use missiles, or people don't want to train the necessary skills. Oh and I'm looking to fly the Amarr SB. Being a future SB pilot (only need the missile skills now), I'm looking for some reasoning behind their lack of appearance. Of course this is only my experience and I'm sure someone will come along and say that they always see someone using them. Are they helpful here or do they just explode too easily? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:25:00 - [3] Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:25:00 - [4] Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
rValdez5987 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:29:00 - [5] I died to a SB the other day. The reason you cant see them is because you havent died to them yet. Trust me, sit still long enough, and one will decloak and vaporize your frig. If your in anything bigger they will continue hiding, and providing intel.
rValdez5987 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:29:00 - [6] I died to a SB the other day. The reason you cant see them is because you havent died to them yet. Trust me, sit still long enough, and one will decloak and vaporize your frig. If your in anything bigger they will continue hiding, and providing intel.
Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 16:15:52 The only reasons I can surmise is that fittings can be expensive when compared to T1 ships, I fight for the Amarrians who don't use missiles, or people don't want to train the necessary skills. Oh and I'm looking to fly the Amarr SB. Being a future SB pilot (only need the missile skills now), I'm looking for some reasoning behind their lack of appearance. Of course this is only my experience and I'm sure someone will come along and say that they always see someone using them. Are they helpful here or do they just explode too easily? Thanks. The caldari milita had a gang of 30-40 last night with 5x bombers in it 4x manticorews and 1x gallenty one. It was by far the most well represented ship in our fleet, i really enjoy the manticore and perhaps the reason you are not seeing SB's is exactly what you postulated that you are amarr and you dont have as many sp in missiles as say caldari characters do. There cloacked speed modifier makes them extreamly hard to catch traveling, and there damage is very good. You can use them as a scout as a damge dealer and as anti frigate. My fitting is a little silly but i run mine like this 3x cruise II (wth cn wraith and precision wraith depending on what i think i am killing Cloack II 1x mwd 2x sensor boosters (with lock scripts.. 87km lock is fine usually i will drop the scripts if i need more range) 1x ballistic control II 1x micro aux power core (cruise II's use to much grid so cant fit a mwd with out one and i really like having a mwd) Many people run named launchers and i cant blame them as caldari navy wraiths do alot of damage and the fitting is much nicer i just like the option of lobing out some precisions every now and then. They are paper thin and if an interceptor or something decides to take you instead of tackling a pirmary well then you die, you are however a frigate sized ship and generaly are not called primary in any fights. I use my manticore solo as well and thats more cat and mouse, lots of cloacking and moving about to start at say 100+km from my target and start spamming and hope they decide to come after me instead of warp out, if i cant do enough damage intime then i flee since any pelet gun will eat me. Anyways the reason you dont see them is A you are not caldari (we love missiles) and B they can be paper thin. Hopefully you decide to fly SB's as i find them one of the most fun ships in eve just remember to cloack often... since there is no recalibration time there is no reason to not be cloacked unless you are in warp. When you jump into a system hit alling and then the fkey to claoack, wait to you are at speed hit the fkey again and then hit warp you should be near uncatchable unless someone is lucky and is in 2km of you.
Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 16:15:52 The only reasons I can surmise is that fittings can be expensive when compared to T1 ships, I fight for the Amarrians who don't use missiles, or people don't want to train the necessary skills. Oh and I'm looking to fly the Amarr SB. Being a future SB pilot (only need the missile skills now), I'm looking for some reasoning behind their lack of appearance. Of course this is only my experience and I'm sure someone will come along and say that they always see someone using them. Are they helpful here or do they just explode too easily? Thanks. The caldari milita had a gang of 30-40 last night with 5x bombers in it 4x manticorews and 1x gallenty one. It was by far the most well represented ship in our fleet, i really enjoy the manticore and perhaps the reason you are not seeing SB's is exactly what you postulated that you are amarr and you dont have as many sp in missiles as say caldari characters do. There cloacked speed modifier makes them extreamly hard to catch traveling, and there damage is very good. You can use them as a scout as a damge dealer and as anti frigate. My fitting is a little silly but i run mine like this 3x cruise II (wth cn wraith and precision wraith depending on what i think i am killing Cloack II 1x mwd 2x sensor boosters (with lock scripts.. 87km lock is fine usually i will drop the scripts if i need more range) 1x ballistic control II 1x micro aux power core (cruise II's use to much grid so cant fit a mwd with out one and i really like having a mwd) Many people run named launchers and i cant blame them as caldari navy wraiths do alot of damage and the fitting is much nicer i just like the option of lobing out some precisions every now and then. They are paper thin and if an interceptor or something decides to take you instead of tackling a pirmary well then you die, you are however a frigate sized ship and generaly are not called primary in any fights. I use my manticore solo as well and thats more cat and mouse, lots of cloacking and moving about to start at say 100+km from my target and start spamming and hope they decide to come after me instead of warp out, if i cant do enough damage intime then i flee since any pelet gun will eat me. Anyways the reason you dont see them is A you are not caldari (we love missiles) and B they can be paper thin. Hopefully you decide to fly SB's as i find them one of the most fun ships in eve just remember to cloack often... since there is no recalibration time there is no reason to not be cloacked unless you are in warp. When you jump into a system hit alling and then the fkey to claoack, wait to you are at speed hit the fkey again and then hit warp you should be near uncatchable unless someone is lucky and is in 2km of you.
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:31:00 - [9] i dont know what youre talking about! ive seen dozens of bombers in FW! 38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores. i flew and lost two in that week too. both losses were due to my piloting error. first time i misheard an order and the second time was a warp in mistake due to having just woke up. (gg warping to 0 into a 70 man fleet, only to jump through the gate into another 70 man fleet) when i flew it right it was fantastically effective. insta-poped frigates and still did descent damage vs larger targets.
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:31:00 - [10] i dont know what youre talking about! ive seen dozens of bombers in FW! 38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores. i flew and lost two in that week too. both losses were due to my piloting error. first time i misheard an order and the second time was a warp in mistake due to having just woke up. (gg warping to 0 into a 70 man fleet, only to jump through the gate into another 70 man fleet) when i flew it right it was fantastically effective. insta-poped frigates and still did descent damage vs larger targets.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:43:00 - [11] Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. lol keep thinking that... --
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:43:00 - [12] Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. lol keep thinking that... --
Pirokobo Orion Academy THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:48:00 - [13] Edited by: Pirokobo on 16/06/2008 16:50:09 If an SB pilot does his job right, you won't see him until it's too late. Make no mistake, there are plenty of SBs participating in FW. It would be foolish to assume otherwise. But just because it's FW doesn't mean they're going to get stupid and use it like the missile boat from TIE Fighter. You don't pull heroics in a SB. You try it, you die. You wait and wait and wait until you have the right target in the right conditions and then you spray them across the landscape before they know you're there.
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:49:00 - [14] Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. This is nieve thinking you do alot of damage yes but alot of those ships can kill a sb before it gets its second volly off so there are times when a smaller ship will roast you. it takes 2 seconds of careless and something with a long locking range and you are hooped for cloacking the ships are not exactly manuverable so an interceptor can be on you faster then you can leave. (also dont forget that ocasionaly you decloack someone gets close to you.. or you dont have biomass on your overview (thats happened to me so many f-ing times) as well as a random cloud pulls you out of cloack you wont know what i am talking about until it happens to you.) destroyers and down i double volly if not single volly if the situation is right but well speed F's up missiles and sometimes you hit something for 7pts of damage with your cruise missile and you get really ****ed off.
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Resamo Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. This is nieve thinking you do alot of damage yes but alot of those ships can kill a sb before it gets its second volly off so there are times when a smaller ship will roast you. it takes 2 seconds of careless and something with a long locking range and you are hooped for cloacking the ships are not exactly manuverable so an interceptor can be on you faster then you can leave. (also dont forget that ocasionaly you decloack someone gets close to you.. or you dont have biomass on your overview (thats happened to me so many f-ing times) as well as a random cloud pulls you out of cloack you wont know what i am talking about until it happens to you.) destroyers and down i double volly if not single volly if the situation is right but well speed F's up missiles and sometimes you hit something for 7pts of damage with your cruise missile and you get really **ed off. while this is true, if youve been flying and training for stealth bombers as long as i have (just over a year now) you rarely get yourself into these situations......though id be a liar if i said nothing like this has never happend to me recently Originally by:** Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. If they time it perfectly you may die to a well setup and skilled blaster ranis (unless of course you just warp off before it reaches you). And did it really take you that long to perfect your fit, only took me about 2 weeks .
Stuart Price Black Water.	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:05:00 - [18] My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Stuart Price My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots. Guys, after thinking about it, we should shut up and let these inty pilots perish for their stupidity... So.... SHHHHHHHHHHHH --
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59 Originally by: James Lyrus Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right. The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak. this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers. If they time it perfectly you may die to a well setup and skilled blaster ranis (unless of course you just warp off before it reaches you). And did it really take you that long to perfect your fit, only took me about 2 weeks . fit and tactics yes, lets just say that i have a rather unique fit that people usually ridicule me for when i tell it to them as they cant grasp the concept of it Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Stuart Price My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots. Guys, after thinking about it, we should shut up and let these inty pilots perish for their stupidity... So.... SHHHHHHHHHHHH QUICK EDIT ALL OF YOUR POST'S WITH SOMTHING WITTY boobies Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Arous Drephius Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:14:00 - [22] Originally by: EvilSpork 38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores. Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores?
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Arous Drephius Originally by: EvilSpork 38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores. Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores? Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Arous Drephius Originally by: EvilSpork 38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores. Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores? LOLOL --
Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Arvald while this is true, if youve been flying and training for stealth bombers as long as i have (just over a year now) you rarely get yourself into these situations......though id be a liar if i said nothing like this has never happend to me recently It has not happened to me recently but i can remember a year ago or so when bombers were brand new geting into position for my fleet to war in on me and hit the other fleet and getting a message like "you have come within 2km of a gas cloud and your cloack has failed" i was very close to the enemy fleet at the time and bad things followed that message. i dont know if random cloud things are still in game. And umm ya inteceptor pilots my manticore sucks ass i cant kill an ibis without firing 5 volleys thats 50 seconds so ya stick around when i lock you.
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Arous Drephius Originally by: EvilSpork 38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores. Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores? ZING! i meant caldari militia bombers. of the 38 bombers: 32 manticores 3 nemesis 2 purifier 1 hound
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:25:00 - [27] Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it but I have one more question. I can only currently fly the Amarr SB but since I've seen so the sheer popularity of the Manticores, should I switch over to them? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it but I have one more question. I can only currently fly the Amarr SB but since I've seen so the sheer popularity of the Manticores, should I switch over to them? Thanks. each bomber has its own way of being fit due to slot layout. the manticore lends itself more to a sensor damp style fitting. i liked missile velocity rigs and sensor boosters on my purfier. locking at 175km and hitting at 165km is kind of nifty. this isnt to say that this is the best or even a good fitting or idea for this ship, its just what looked fun to me.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:31:00 - [29] Originally by: EvilSpork Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it but I have one more question. I can only currently fly the Amarr SB but since I've seen so the sheer popularity of the Manticores, should I switch over to them? Thanks. each bomber has its own way of being fit due to slot layout. the manticore lends itself more to a sensor damp style fitting. i liked missile velocity rigs and sensor boosters on my purfier. locking at 175km and hitting at 165km is kind of nifty. this isnt to say that this is the best or even a good fitting or idea for this ship, its just what looked fun to me. Launching from 175KM away must be hell when you try to loot your kills. I guess firing from that range somewhat betters your chance of survival but I've heard you can't cloak until your missile hits otherwise you won't do any damage. Is this true? __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:31:00 - [30] Because they can't kill anything larger than a frigate without a group of them. And if you have a group of ships you could bring something bigger and do even better for less ISK. They're novelty ships. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs

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