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Slanty McGarglefist
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 16:15:52
The only reasons I can surmise is that fittings can be expensive when compared to T1 ships, I fight for the Amarrians who don't use missiles, or people don't want to train the necessary skills. Oh and I'm looking to fly the Amarr SB.
Being a future SB pilot (only need the missile skills now), I'm looking for some reasoning behind their lack of appearance. Of course this is only my experience and I'm sure someone will come along and say that they always see someone using them. Are they helpful here or do they just explode too easily?
Thanks.
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 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
No
Doh! |
Slanty McGarglefist
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 16:15:52
The only reasons I can surmise is that fittings can be expensive when compared to T1 ships, I fight for the Amarrians who don't use missiles, or people don't want to train the necessary skills. Oh and I'm looking to fly the Amarr SB.
Being a future SB pilot (only need the missile skills now), I'm looking for some reasoning behind their lack of appearance. Of course this is only my experience and I'm sure someone will come along and say that they always see someone using them. Are they helpful here or do they just explode too easily?
Thanks.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
No
Doh! |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:25:00 -
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Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
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Crane needs more grid
249km locking? |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:25:00 -
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Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
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Crane needs more grid
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:29:00 -
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I died to a SB the other day.
The reason you cant see them is because you havent died to them yet.
Trust me, sit still long enough, and one will decloak and vaporize your frig. If your in anything bigger they will continue hiding, and providing intel.
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:29:00 -
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I died to a SB the other day.
The reason you cant see them is because you havent died to them yet.
Trust me, sit still long enough, and one will decloak and vaporize your frig. If your in anything bigger they will continue hiding, and providing intel.
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 16:15:52
The only reasons I can surmise is that fittings can be expensive when compared to T1 ships, I fight for the Amarrians who don't use missiles, or people don't want to train the necessary skills. Oh and I'm looking to fly the Amarr SB.
Being a future SB pilot (only need the missile skills now), I'm looking for some reasoning behind their lack of appearance. Of course this is only my experience and I'm sure someone will come along and say that they always see someone using them. Are they helpful here or do they just explode too easily?
Thanks.
The caldari milita had a gang of 30-40 last night with 5x bombers in it 4x manticorews and 1x gallenty one.
It was by far the most well represented ship in our fleet, i really enjoy the manticore and perhaps the reason you are not seeing SB's is exactly what you postulated that you are amarr and you dont have as many sp in missiles as say caldari characters do.
There cloacked speed modifier makes them extreamly hard to catch traveling, and there damage is very good. You can use them as a scout as a damge dealer and as anti frigate.
My fitting is a little silly but i run mine like this
3x cruise II (wth cn wraith and precision wraith depending on what i think i am killing
Cloack II
1x mwd
2x sensor boosters (with lock scripts.. 87km lock is fine usually i will drop the scripts if i need more range)
1x ballistic control II
1x micro aux power core (cruise II's use to much grid so cant fit a mwd with out one and i really like having a mwd)
Many people run named launchers and i cant blame them as caldari navy wraiths do alot of damage and the fitting is much nicer i just like the option of lobing out some precisions every now and then.
They are paper thin and if an interceptor or something decides to take you instead of tackling a pirmary well then you die, you are however a frigate sized ship and generaly are not called primary in any fights.
I use my manticore solo as well and thats more cat and mouse, lots of cloacking and moving about to start at say 100+km from my target and start spamming and hope they decide to come after me instead of warp out, if i cant do enough damage intime then i flee since any pelet gun will eat me.
Anyways the reason you dont see them is A you are not caldari (we love missiles) and B they can be paper thin.
Hopefully you decide to fly SB's as i find them one of the most fun ships in eve just remember to cloack often... since there is no recalibration time there is no reason to not be cloacked unless you are in warp. When you jump into a system hit alling and then the fkey to claoack, wait to you are at speed hit the fkey again and then hit warp you should be near uncatchable unless someone is lucky and is in 2km of you.
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 16:15:52
The only reasons I can surmise is that fittings can be expensive when compared to T1 ships, I fight for the Amarrians who don't use missiles, or people don't want to train the necessary skills. Oh and I'm looking to fly the Amarr SB.
Being a future SB pilot (only need the missile skills now), I'm looking for some reasoning behind their lack of appearance. Of course this is only my experience and I'm sure someone will come along and say that they always see someone using them. Are they helpful here or do they just explode too easily?
Thanks.
The caldari milita had a gang of 30-40 last night with 5x bombers in it 4x manticorews and 1x gallenty one.
It was by far the most well represented ship in our fleet, i really enjoy the manticore and perhaps the reason you are not seeing SB's is exactly what you postulated that you are amarr and you dont have as many sp in missiles as say caldari characters do.
There cloacked speed modifier makes them extreamly hard to catch traveling, and there damage is very good. You can use them as a scout as a damge dealer and as anti frigate.
My fitting is a little silly but i run mine like this
3x cruise II (wth cn wraith and precision wraith depending on what i think i am killing
Cloack II
1x mwd
2x sensor boosters (with lock scripts.. 87km lock is fine usually i will drop the scripts if i need more range)
1x ballistic control II
1x micro aux power core (cruise II's use to much grid so cant fit a mwd with out one and i really like having a mwd)
Many people run named launchers and i cant blame them as caldari navy wraiths do alot of damage and the fitting is much nicer i just like the option of lobing out some precisions every now and then.
They are paper thin and if an interceptor or something decides to take you instead of tackling a pirmary well then you die, you are however a frigate sized ship and generaly are not called primary in any fights.
I use my manticore solo as well and thats more cat and mouse, lots of cloacking and moving about to start at say 100+km from my target and start spamming and hope they decide to come after me instead of warp out, if i cant do enough damage intime then i flee since any pelet gun will eat me.
Anyways the reason you dont see them is A you are not caldari (we love missiles) and B they can be paper thin.
Hopefully you decide to fly SB's as i find them one of the most fun ships in eve just remember to cloack often... since there is no recalibration time there is no reason to not be cloacked unless you are in warp. When you jump into a system hit alling and then the fkey to claoack, wait to you are at speed hit the fkey again and then hit warp you should be near uncatchable unless someone is lucky and is in 2km of you.
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EvilSpork
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:31:00 -
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i dont know what youre talking about!
ive seen dozens of bombers in FW!
38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores.
i flew and lost two in that week too. both losses were due to my piloting error. first time i misheard an order and the second time was a warp in mistake due to having just woke up. (gg warping to 0 into a 70 man fleet, only to jump through the gate into another 70 man fleet )
when i flew it right it was fantastically effective. insta-poped frigates and still did descent damage vs larger targets.
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EvilSpork
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:31:00 -
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i dont know what youre talking about!
ive seen dozens of bombers in FW!
38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores.
i flew and lost two in that week too. both losses were due to my piloting error. first time i misheard an order and the second time was a warp in mistake due to having just woke up. (gg warping to 0 into a 70 man fleet, only to jump through the gate into another 70 man fleet)
when i flew it right it was fantastically effective. insta-poped frigates and still did descent damage vs larger targets.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
lol keep thinking that...
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
lol keep thinking that...
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Pirokobo
Orion Academy
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Pirokobo on 16/06/2008 16:50:09
If an SB pilot does his job right, you won't see him until it's too late.
Make no mistake, there are plenty of SBs participating in FW. It would be foolish to assume otherwise. But just because it's FW doesn't mean they're going to get stupid and use it like the missile boat from TIE Fighter.
You don't pull heroics in a SB. You try it, you die. You wait and wait and wait until you have the right target in the right conditions and then you spray them across the landscape before they know you're there.
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Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
This is nieve thinking you do alot of damage yes but alot of those ships can kill a sb before it gets its second volly off so there are times when a smaller ship will roast you. it takes 2 seconds of careless and something with a long locking range and you are hooped for cloacking the ships are not exactly manuverable so an interceptor can be on you faster then you can leave. (also dont forget that ocasionaly you decloack someone gets close to you.. or you dont have biomass on your overview (thats happened to me so many f-ing times) as well as a random cloud pulls you out of cloack you wont know what i am talking about until it happens to you.)
destroyers and down i double volly if not single volly if the situation is right but well speed F's up missiles and sometimes you hit something for 7pts of damage with your cruise missile and you get really ****ed off.
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Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Resamo
Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
This is nieve thinking you do alot of damage yes but alot of those ships can kill a sb before it gets its second volly off so there are times when a smaller ship will roast you. it takes 2 seconds of careless and something with a long locking range and you are hooped for cloacking the ships are not exactly manuverable so an interceptor can be on you faster then you can leave. (also dont forget that ocasionaly you decloack someone gets close to you.. or you dont have biomass on your overview (thats happened to me so many f-ing times) as well as a random cloud pulls you out of cloack you wont know what i am talking about until it happens to you.)
destroyers and down i double volly if not single volly if the situation is right but well speed F's up missiles and sometimes you hit something for 7pts of damage with your cruise missile and you get really ****ed off.
while this is true, if youve been flying and training for stealth bombers as long as i have (just over a year now) you rarely get yourself into these situations......though id be a liar if i said nothing like this has never happend to me recently 
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
If they time it perfectly you may die to a well setup and skilled blaster ranis (unless of course you just warp off before it reaches you). And did it really take you that long to perfect your fit, only took me about 2 weeks  .
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Stuart Price
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:05:00 -
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My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots.
"I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots.
Guys, after thinking about it, we should shut up and let these inty pilots perish for their stupidity...
So.... SHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
If they time it perfectly you may die to a well setup and skilled blaster ranis (unless of course you just warp off before it reaches you). And did it really take you that long to perfect your fit, only took me about 2 weeks .
fit and tactics yes, lets just say that i have a rather unique fit that people usually ridicule me for when i tell it to them as they cant grasp the concept of it
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Stuart Price
My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots.
Guys, after thinking about it, we should shut up and let these inty pilots perish for their stupidity...
So.... SHHHHHHHHHHHH
QUICK EDIT ALL OF YOUR POST'S WITH SOMTHING WITTY
boobies
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Arous Drephius
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: EvilSpork
38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores.
Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores?
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Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius
Originally by: EvilSpork
38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores.
Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores?
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius
Originally by: EvilSpork
38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores.
Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores?
LOLOL
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
while this is true, if youve been flying and training for stealth bombers as long as i have (just over a year now) you rarely get yourself into these situations......though id be a liar if i said nothing like this has never happend to me recently
It has not happened to me recently but i can remember a year ago or so when bombers were brand new geting into position for my fleet to war in on me and hit the other fleet and getting a message like "you have come within 2km of a gas cloud and your cloack has failed" i was very close to the enemy fleet at the time and bad things followed that message. i dont know if random cloud things are still in game.
And umm ya inteceptor pilots my manticore sucks ass i cant kill an ibis without firing 5 volleys thats 50 seconds so ya stick around when i lock you.
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EvilSpork
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius
Originally by: EvilSpork
38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores.
Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores?
ZING!
i meant caldari militia bombers.
of the 38 bombers:
32 manticores
3 nemesis
2 purifier
1 hound
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Slanty McGarglefist
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:25:00 -
[27]
Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it but I have one more question. I can only currently fly the Amarr SB but since I've seen so the sheer popularity of the Manticores, should I switch over to them?
Thanks.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
No
Doh! |
EvilSpork
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:29:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it but I have one more question. I can only currently fly the Amarr SB but since I've seen so the sheer popularity of the Manticores, should I switch over to them?
Thanks.
each bomber has its own way of being fit due to slot layout.
the manticore lends itself more to a sensor damp style fitting.
i liked missile velocity rigs and sensor boosters on my purfier. locking at 175km and hitting at 165km is kind of nifty. this isnt to say that this is the best or even a good fitting or idea for this ship, its just what looked fun to me.
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Slanty McGarglefist
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:31:00 -
[29]
Originally by: EvilSpork
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it but I have one more question. I can only currently fly the Amarr SB but since I've seen so the sheer popularity of the Manticores, should I switch over to them?
Thanks.
each bomber has its own way of being fit due to slot layout.
the manticore lends itself more to a sensor damp style fitting.
i liked missile velocity rigs and sensor boosters on my purfier. locking at 175km and hitting at 165km is kind of nifty. this isnt to say that this is the best or even a good fitting or idea for this ship, its just what looked fun to me.
Launching from 175KM away must be hell when you try to loot your kills. I guess firing from that range somewhat betters your chance of survival but I've heard you can't cloak until your missile hits otherwise you won't do any damage. Is this true?
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
No
Doh! |
Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:31:00 -
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Because they can't kill anything larger than a frigate without a group of them. And if you have a group of ships you could bring something bigger and do even better for less ISK.
They're novelty ships.
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 16/06/2008 17:29:36
Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it but I have one more question. I can only currently fly the Amarr SB but since I've seen the sheer popularity of the Manticores, should I switch over to them?
Thanks.
No
I actaully prefer the Purifier and am contimplating training amarr frig 5 for it.
What my fitting is lacking is Powegrid and what the purifier has is power grid about 10 more units with my skills (i just eft warriored it up) and thats enough to fit 3x cruise II, 2x sensor booster II, and a mwd II without a pg mod! (my skills again, advanced weapons upgrades 5 and the like) lows can all be overdrives and i am happy as can be.
Anyways the purifier has the grid i need for how i like to fit so i would not change the only thing the manticore has going over the purifier is more cpu and a 4th midslot.
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Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:39:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Xaen
Because they can't kill anything larger than a frigate without a group of them. And if you have a group of ships you could bring something bigger and do even better for less ISK.
They're novelty ships.
no they are very specialized ships, nothing like grabing a hold full of missiles and sitting at the undock of a goonswarm station for 3 days straight killing frigs destroyers industrials and their t2 counterparts and them not being able to do much about it
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:43:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Resamo on 16/06/2008 17:45:16
Originally by: Xaen
Because they can't kill anything larger than a frigate without a group of them. And if you have a group of ships you could bring something bigger and do even better for less ISK.
They're novelty ships.
everyship in eve is a novelty ship depending on the situation. Many people like the ship and have found many good usses for it just because you dont like it or cant find a viable use for it does not mean its crap.
I have a ship that i can move around lowsec free (next to unstopable) that can scout and provide large volly damage as well as decent dps for its size 212 dps on my current setup (it could go higher but i like the setup right now). Not everything is about the sheer amount of pew pew you can put out. By your logic an interceptor is useless as well and dont say an interceptor provides valuable tackling and speed because a stealt bomber can provide valuable scouting and you ignored that so you have to ignore anything an inty brings thats not straight dps.
Plus there are very few ships that allow you to pick your fights quite like a stealth bomber. yes other ships can cloack but a bomber moves fast with a cloack faster then uncloacked and has no targeting delay.
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Selia Rain
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Selia Rain on 16/06/2008 17:44:21
Originally by: Stuart Price
My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots.
Please note that your manticore can deliver 2659 maximum alpha with 2x BCU, max skills, a stationary target with MWD running, and CN cruise.
A Taranis with a single DCU II(must fit module for Taranis) has over 4k EHP with a single module buffer, goes 4km/s easily, deals 176 dps, and guess what, his strongest resist is kinetic.
You haven't run into one yet, I take it, or stayed cloaked, like a sensible person.
A crow would give you problems because it wouldn't stop MWDing and you'd deal zero damage(if you even decloaked), but other closerange 'ceptors that have to get within web range would probably be screwed due to lack of tank(but if somehow you managed to leave one alive after one volley you would also be screwed).
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:55:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Selia Rain
Edited by: Selia Rain on 16/06/2008 17:44:21
Originally by: Stuart Price
My Manticore loves overconfident inty pilots.
Please note that your manticore can deliver 2659 maximum alpha with 2x BCU, max skills, a stationary target with MWD running, and CN cruise.
A Taranis with a single DCU II(must fit module for Taranis) has over 4k EHP with a single module buffer, goes 4km/s easily, deals 176 dps, and guess what, his strongest resist is kinetic.
You haven't run into one yet, I take it, or stayed cloaked, like a sensible person.
A crow would give you problems because it wouldn't stop MWDing and you'd deal zero damage(if you even decloaked), but other closerange 'ceptors that have to get within web range would probably be screwed due to lack of tank(but if somehow you managed to leave one alive after one volley you would also be screwed).
You test your target and then you run away or cloack... bomber has range and surprize.
Anyone can bring up a situation that rules in there favor, i may not kill that taranis but sure as hell he will have 0 chance to kill me and eventualy i will find one thats a little sleepy or fit not the best or in the middile of combat with someone else. Thats the bombers strength the fact that its never down to what the fight says on paper.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:06:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Launching from 175KM away must be hell when you try to loot your kills.
Actually, if you pop the ship more than 150km away, you can just warp straight to the wreck. So it'd actually be much much faster than engaging and destroying an enemy at, say, 100km.
Asides from that I don't have a great deal to add to the main topic - I've played around in SBs a bit, but in the smallish fleets I've been flying in, I've always felt like I'd be making more of an impact in a bigger ship. They are fun, definitely, but they are probably not the most effective choice if you're going for sheer fleet power.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:09:00 -
[37]
In gangs they are good as hard to destory dps/EW and can also stay behind and provide intel if you need to GTFO and regroup.
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PantrashMoFo
GALAXIAN
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.16 19:13:00 -
[38]
I personally love my stealth bombers . i can fly all 4 and have recently been trying my luck with bombs (way too pricey imho). having cov-ops at 5 gives it a really nice damage alpha with those faction cruises. its also funny in gangs to top the damage order on a lot of kills. Also the cov-ops lvl 5 can be justified for the scanning ships bonuses so its not as if you are just training for the "glass cannon"
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Grann Thefauto
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.16 20:11:00 -
[39]
I got on 16 km's yesterday with my hound. I lost it to an inty in a huge laggy battle though, but a 16:1 ratio isn't bad at all.
Anyone else fit TPs on their bombers for added inty destruction?
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 21:28:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Resamo on 16/06/2008 21:31:06
Originally by: Grann Thefauto
I got on 16 km's yesterday with my hound. I lost it to an inty in a huge laggy battle though, but a 16:1 ratio isn't bad at all.
Anyone else fit TPs on their bombers for added inty destruction?
I find signature radius isnt the problem its the other ships velocity that screws me, unforunatly there is no mods to improve that only 1 rig (we really need an explosion velocity modual)
Edit:
for me the explosion radius is ~37 for caldari navy cruise and ~25 with precision cruise... so fairly small, target painter wont help much except for on the ocasional interceptor but then again its probably got a mwd going so its signature radius is huge anyways its explosion velocity that gets you.
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ViRUS Pottage
R.U.S.T.
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.06.16 22:39:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Arous Drephius
Originally by: EvilSpork
38 caldari stealth bombers were downed by my corp last week. nearly all were manticores.
Erm, so how many Caldari stealth bombers weren't manticores?
Rofl.
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Shushan Kadesh
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Posted - 2008.06.16 23:58:00 -
[42]
One question - can you cloak almost immediately after you fire - or will your missiles not do any damage?
I like the idea of flinging missiles from 170+ km out, but I'd like to cloak immediately so the opponent just sees the shiny trail of missiles heading towards him.
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Corstaad
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.17 00:37:00 -
[43]
Got on a few killmails before I lost mine to friendly fire. Theres alot of SBs in the Minny/Amarr conflict. I even got smoked by a SB when some FW people baiting my dessie yarmobile into a complex.
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Kuzya Morozov
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.06.17 02:06:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Shushan Kadesh
One question - can you cloak almost immediately after you fire - or will your missiles not do any damage?
I like the idea of flinging missiles from 170+ km out, but I'd like to cloak immediately so the opponent just sees the shiny trail of missiles heading towards him.
Haha, you wish.
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Meridius Dex
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.17 02:27:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Shushan Kadesh
One question - can you cloak almost immediately after you fire - or will your missiles not do any damage?
I like the idea of flinging missiles from 170+ km out, but I'd like to cloak immediately so the opponent just sees the shiny trail of missiles heading towards him.
If you cloak, your missiles will only fly about 30 KMs before becoming duds. This is why there are two ways to fly an SB: from 150+ away (usually as part of a gatecamp sniping support ships; forget that other know-it-all, almost all interceptors pop like grapes in one volley) or by creeping up to within 30 of a target, decloaking, firing and recloaking instantly.
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Shushan Kadesh
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Posted - 2008.06.17 02:49:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Meridius Dex
Originally by: Shushan Kadesh
One question - can you cloak almost immediately after you fire - or will your missiles not do any damage?
I like the idea of flinging missiles from 170+ km out, but I'd like to cloak immediately so the opponent just sees the shiny trail of missiles heading towards him.
If you cloak, your missiles will only fly about 30 KMs before becoming duds. This is why there are two ways to fly an SB: from 150+ away (usually as part of a gatecamp sniping support ships; forget that other know-it-all, almost all interceptors pop like grapes in one volley) or by creeping up to within 30 of a target, decloaking, firing and recloaking instantly.
ok, thanks for the helpful post!
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Kano Sekor
modro
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.06.17 07:19:00 -
[47]
You havent seen em cause they use cloaking devices, duh!
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Dark Phox
One Million ISK
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Posted - 2008.06.17 08:05:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Kano Sekor
You havent seen em cause they use cloaking devices, duh!
^^^^^^^^^^^ WINNAH!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dark Power Systems |
Endel
Extreme Games
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Posted - 2008.06.17 09:51:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
If they time it perfectly you may die to a well setup and skilled blaster ranis (unless of course you just warp off before it reaches you). And did it really take you that long to perfect your fit, only took me about 2 weeks .
fit and tactics yes, lets just say that i have a rather unique fit that people usually ridicule me for when i tell it to them as they cant grasp the concept of it
Let me guess your mids.
web and painter?
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Jerat
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.17 11:17:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Xaen
Stuff Quote:
no they are very specialized ships, nothing like grabing a hold full of missiles and sitting at the undock of a goonswarm station for 3 days straight killing frigs destroyers industrials and their t2 counterparts and them not being able to do much about it
This :)
Fun against gatecamps also, just think outside the box a bit.
Lobbing in missiles from 100+km only works in big fights.
Anything getting fired at from that rang will simply warp away or get the speed up if they have anything in their brains :D
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.06.17 11:59:00 -
[51]
I know that if you turn on your cloak, your MWD stays on for the full length of the current cycle and then switches off. Now, assuming that certain other modules work more or less the same way, why not sneak up within range, activate web + painter + damp, fire 1 volley & cloak?
It'd still probably work using 2 painters even if you weren't in web range, using a warp disruptor as well.
Zzz research towers
Direrie
NEW: Liekuri
20:1 low-end compression |
Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.17 12:25:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
I know that if you turn on your cloak, your MWD stays on for the full length of the current cycle and then switches off. Now, assuming that certain other modules work more or less the same way, why not sneak up within range, activate web + painter + damp, fire 1 volley & cloak?
It'd still probably work using 2 painters even if you weren't in web range, using a warp disruptor as well.
Targeting instantly turns off. So anything (like EW) that depends on targeting is going to stop working when you cloak. I lost part of two mining cycles that way.
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Setana Manoro
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:20:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Resamo
Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
This is nieve thinking you do alot of damage yes but alot of those ships can kill a sb before it gets its second volly off so there are times when a smaller ship will roast you. it takes 2 seconds of careless and something with a long locking range and you are hooped for cloacking the ships are not exactly manuverable so an interceptor can be on you faster then you can leave. (also dont forget that ocasionaly you decloack someone gets close to you.. or you dont have biomass on your overview (thats happened to me so many f-ing times) as well as a random cloud pulls you out of cloack you wont know what i am talking about until it happens to you.)
destroyers and down i double volly if not single volly if the situation is right but well speed F's up missiles and sometimes you hit something for 7pts of damage with your cruise missile and you get really ****ed off.
while this is true, if youve been flying and training for stealth bombers as long as i have (just over a year now) you rarely get yourself into these situations......though id be a liar if i said nothing like this has never happend to me recently
You mean this one ?
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chinnychinchin
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Posted - 2008.06.17 13:37:00 -
[54]
you won't see them because they are cloaked ;-)
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Jeckes
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Posted - 2008.06.17 14:25:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
which imo is absolutely ridiculous.. stealth bombers are supposed to be the frigate to be anti cruiser+ size.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.17 14:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Jeckes
Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
which imo is absolutely ridiculous.. stealth bombers are supposed to be the frigate to be anti cruiser+ size.
If this is the case why on earth do they have such a huge bonus to explosion radius?
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Karrade Krise
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Posted - 2008.06.17 15:45:00 -
[57]
SBs can be a lot of fun. Not sure how well they do in FW, but they excell in 0.0.
Hit and run
Sig locked, I will not make fun of the forum mods |
Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.17 16:15:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Endel
Let me guess your mids.
web and painter?
gaah ok ill tell you
[Purifier, pvp]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Speed
Faint Warp Prohibitor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
Targeting System Subcontroller I
Targeting System Subcontroller I
just because you CAN fight at 150km does not mean you should, have to pick your targets but it works for me, its a very personalized setup so don't expect to just be able to get in it and be successful
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Arvald
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.17 16:16:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Resamo
Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/06/2008 16:50:59
Originally by: James Lyrus
Because they still suck if you don't use them right. And even when you do use them right.
The FW thingies that admit T2 frigates, admit all T2 frigates. Any 'ceptor pilot worth his salt will ruin your day as soon as you decloak.
this................is the most ignorant thing ive ever heard, if you manage to die to an interceptor in a stealth bomber you are ether A) lagged out or B) suck. with the proper fit (not going to give it as it too me about 7 months to perfect it and ITS MINE 0_o), you will toast all interceptors, interdictors, frigates, destroyers, some af's and a few cruisers.
This is nieve thinking you do alot of damage yes but alot of those ships can kill a sb before it gets its second volly off so there are times when a smaller ship will roast you. it takes 2 seconds of careless and something with a long locking range and you are hooped for cloacking the ships are not exactly manuverable so an interceptor can be on you faster then you can leave. (also dont forget that ocasionaly you decloack someone gets close to you.. or you dont have biomass on your overview (thats happened to me so many f-ing times) as well as a random cloud pulls you out of cloack you wont know what i am talking about until it happens to you.)
destroyers and down i double volly if not single volly if the situation is right but well speed F's up missiles and sometimes you hit something for 7pts of damage with your cruise missile and you get really ****ed off.
while this is true, if youve been flying and training for stealth bombers as long as i have (just over a year now) you rarely get yourself into these situations......though id be a liar if i said nothing like this has never happend to me recently
You mean this one ?
yes that one =D i was SUPPOSED to have my own blackbird support but the enemy bb managed to jamm him =P
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:18:00 -
[60]
I pretty much think SB are complete nightmares in the right hands.
You can't see it and when you can...it brings pain. When you go after it... the rest of them decloack and blow you out from the sky when you are reacting against them. Not really sure how well they behave in fleet combat, but they do deliver nasty suprises when people think it's only a frig.
In packs against one ship...and with purpose...deadly.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:12:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Endel
Let me guess your mids.
web and painter?
gaah ok ill tell you
[Purifier, pvp]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Speed
Faint Warp Prohibitor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Malkuth' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
Targeting System Subcontroller I
Targeting System Subcontroller I
just because you CAN fight at 150km does not mean you should, have to pick your targets but it works for me, its a very personalized setup so don't expect to just be able to get in it and be successful
Thats pretty similar tactics to mine. Because mines a manticore though I don't have CPU issues and have twiddled with the other stuff a tiny bit. I can imagine it's used in pretty much the same way though. My fit is a bit more oddball though so I'm definatly keeping mine under wraps because as far a I've seen no-one has figured out what one of the bombers strongest points is yet.
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