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Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Butter Dog Game mechanics such as bubbles, titans, jump bridges, 30 carrier hotdrops etc are all damps on FUN pvp, and FW is very veryvery fun (so far anyway, we'll see how it develops) You forgot 'compulsory operations' and 'pos timers'. More reasons to loathe 0.0 alliance 'pvp' I didn't really enjoy pvp until getting into capitals so yeah none of what you typed is exactly fact. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Severe Admin Blind Industries	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Dramaticus Originally by: Butter Dog Game mechanics such as bubbles, titans, jump bridges, 30 carrier hotdrops etc are all damps on FUN pvp, and FW is very veryvery fun (so far anyway, we'll see how it develops) You forgot 'compulsory operations' and 'pos timers'. More reasons to loathe 0.0 alliance 'pvp' I didn't really enjoy pvp until getting into capitals so yeah none of what you typed is exactly fact. your goonswarm so none of what you typed actually matters...
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Severe Admin Originally by: Dramaticus Originally by: Butter Dog Game mechanics such as bubbles, titans, jump bridges, 30 carrier hotdrops etc are all damps on FUN pvp, and FW is very veryvery fun (so far anyway, we'll see how it develops) You forgot 'compulsory operations' and 'pos timers'. More reasons to loathe 0.0 alliance 'pvp' I didn't really enjoy pvp until getting into capitals so yeah none of what you typed is exactly fact. your goonswarm so none of what you typed actually matters... OH :ICEBURN: Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Ariko Gunaris Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:21:00 - [34] I'll pose the question in a different way: If you were a leader of a PvP alliance and saw many of your members/alts leaving for FW, what should you do, if anything?
Athon NooB Silver Dragon Defense Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris 2 PvP free of capital ship blobs, Titans, doomsdays, motherships and other such nonsense That was true until a few hours ago when the Gallente decided to use a carrier to give gang support in Tama, I believe things will now escalate rapidly. I know the Caldari capital fleet is itching to go. Athon
Omeega UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris If you were a leader of a PvP alliance and saw many of your members/alts leaving for FW, what should you do, if anything? Re-center your alliances goals, inform your members better, get your members more involved with the alliance developement. You can also do some internal cleanup, or simply go to war with an enemy alliance. But of course, if your alliance members are not willing to go for the huge investment that is a 0.0 war including an invasion, capital ships intervention and POS/Sov mechanics then you should just re-think why you've moved to 0.0. Think and maybe understand that you should just stick to FW, that will provide some easy and hearth-lighted (no clue if this exists) PVP rather than risking to lose your home due to some poor member stamina and dedication. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
FellRaven GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 17/06/2008 18:02:02 ....Simply, PvP alliances that do not take the 'pirate in empire' route are dieing.................It is almost certain empire alliances like Privateers are going to be no more I'm I the only one that spotted the obvious contradiction here.
Haywoode Jablome State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:52:00 - [38] Edited by: Haywoode Jablome on 17/06/2008 20:52:58 Nah, the PVP fun yes, the logistical backbone no(t yet), to conquer and own space no(t yet)... big bucks no(t yet)... building something you own like pos'es and jump bridges no(t yet)... But that's all the same when Alliances first started.
Arwaan Serenity Syndicate Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:55:00 - [39] Well, Omega and Ariko, you two have very different reasons to log in every day. And it is perfectly fine for everyone is to play the game as he or she sees fit. But the question remains, and only time will tell if FW will start bleeding enough characters and timeplay from the 0.0 alliances to make them incapable of achieving objectives. Actually with the rise in mumbers of capitals it was shown that a space holding alliance needs a critical mass to be able to maintain itself. Two scenarios come in my mind. 1. More and more people will be drawn to FW. Alliances that will go below the critical mass (around 1000 players atm) will fade and merge together building two - three superblocks reigning over huge ammounts of porous space. But most of 0.0 will be open for miners and ratters who need to replenish losses from FW. Noone can defend all systems. Gatecamps will be revived as these people will not have access to the cyno nets and any staging poses will be swiftly blown up. Prices might raise a lot due to the huge isk sing. 2. FW will prove to be a training ground for players that will afterwards make the step to 0.0 alliances, after having tasted blood, getting pwned one too many times by pirates and getting tired of the pressure on their wallets. That is if CCP does not introduce some other game mechanic changes. Anyway, one-off couterstrike-like fights have been available for a long time on sisi. Otoh, medium alliances have been folding one by one since last spring, so without these entities i wonder if eve has not started to destroy itself. "Aut viam inveniam aut faciam." I'll find a way or make one.
darkin here Is Usually Right	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris I'll pose the question in a different way: If you were a leader of a PvP alliance and saw many of your members/alts leaving for FW, what should you do, if anything? Cry a little at spaceship game empire crumbling, buy AoC, swong swordz and chop headz, hit bong, jerk off to Azn ****, cry a little, etc
chota Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:04:00 - [41] I did the 0.0 thing up untill FW came out. The great thing about FW is the simplicity.Just undock, fly a couple of jumps and start shooting. If you lose a ship a new one can be found(empire prices) less than 10 jumps away. For me 0.0 sometimes felt more like a job than a game. Replacing a hac could mean using the few hours I have to play on a weekday replacing the ship. Now I can be back in business on the battlefield in 30 mins. A good 0.0 roam will last 2-4 hours and most likely go 40+ jumps, if you log on 30 mins after the fleet leaves most likely you are out of luck that day. With FW there is always a fleet going within a few jumps with no bubble camps to run. How big of an effect FW will have on 0.0 alliances remains to be seen.
Belch Verbyl hunter killers	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Belch Verbyl on 17/06/2008 21:12:08 Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Ariko Gunaris If you were a leader of a PvP alliance and saw many of your members/alts leaving for FW, what should you do, if anything? Re-center your alliances goals, inform your members better, get your members more involved with the alliance developement. You can also do some internal cleanup, or simply go to war with an enemy alliance. But of course, if your alliance members are not willing to go for the huge investment that is a 0.0 war including an invasion, capital ships intervention and POS/Sov mechanics then you should just re-think why you've moved to 0.0. The vast majority of players had to choose in the past, either PVP and make a chance in 0.0 by joining larger entities with all it's organization and all other things that come along with doing some pewpew, since eve is one of the best in graphical views ever seen in a game, or stay doing missions in empire doing the theme park over and over again. The vast majority of eve aren't the 24/7 hardcore mmo players that play that much, you may think so, but look around you, and come to the conclusion that most of the people that you have in your alliance aren't this way. Maybe you should look at your playerbase, the onces that are on the field, the ones that are on the bazaar and not in your cathedral. Now with that in mind you actually can see why CCP is aiming at those players, that is where the RL ISK is. Quote: Think and maybe understand that you should just stick to FW, that will provide some easy and hearth-lighted (no clue if this exists) PVP rather than risking to lose your home due to some poor member stamina and dedication. Think and maybe understand that you are one of the few that have this idea, look at the masses that helped you build your alliance. Draw the conclusion that most of the people see this as a game and have more RL interests and see this excitement as relaxation.
Jasmine Kiri Selectus Pravus Lupus	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:09:00 - [43] One thing you never see in you inbox if your fighting in FW: This will be an alarm clock op. I expect everyone to be in system XXXX with either a fleet fit BS or a support cruiser(Recon/Logistics). Anyone online and not in fleet must have good explanation or they WILL get kicked from corp.
Ryuga VonRhaiden Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 17/06/2008 18:24:44 Originally by: Patch86 FW is CounterStrike- cheap, fun, instant and meaningless. Alliance warfare is Civilization- empire building, diplomacy, large scale strategy, with added pew pew and multiplayer fun. What you say is very true, but look at the popularity of Counterstrike versus Civilization. Well, you can also look at the popularity of World of Warcraft vs Eve Online... is that really the way you choose the best game? ;) Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature.
Ebodhisatva The Templars Knights	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:23:00 - [45] Originally by: Ryuga VonRhaiden Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 17/06/2008 18:24:44 Originally by: Patch86 FW is CounterStrike- cheap, fun, instant and meaningless. Alliance warfare is Civilization- empire building, diplomacy, large scale strategy, with added pew pew and multiplayer fun. What you say is very true, but look at the popularity of Counterstrike versus Civilization. Well, you can also look at the popularity of World of Warcraft vs Eve Online... is that really the way you choose the best game? ;) Well the Firewoarxxx in EVE is so much better compared to any game where more players are included
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Jasmine Kiri One thing you never see in you inbox if your fighting in FW: This will be an alarm clock op. I expect everyone to be in system XXXX with either a fleet fit BS or a support cruiser(Recon/Logistics). Anyone online and not in fleet must have good explanation or they WILL get kicked from corp. never see that in goonswarm either v0v Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:35:00 - [47] no not believin in yourself
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:39:00 - [48] Omeega's got it nailed - if you bleed pilots, it's because they want fun, who in their right mind would try and prevent that? If you alliance dies because of it, so what? Do something else. YOU do what YOU want to in the game. For ourselves, we're completely supporting our guys doing factional warfare - it's fun and it's different, fair play to them. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Dianabolic Omeega's got it nailed - if you bleed pilots, it's because they want fun, who in their right mind would try and prevent that? If you alliance dies because of it, so what? Do something else. YOU do what YOU want to in the game. For ourselves, we're completely supporting our guys doing factional warfare - it's fun and it's different, fair play to them. Which faction?
Tzujeih GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Severe Admin Originally by: Dramaticus Originally by: Butter Dog Game mechanics such as bubbles, titans, jump bridges, 30 carrier hotdrops etc are all damps on FUN pvp, and FW is very veryvery fun (so far anyway, we'll see how it develops) You forgot 'compulsory operations' and 'pos timers'. More reasons to loathe 0.0 alliance 'pvp' I didn't really enjoy pvp until getting into capitals so yeah none of what you typed is exactly fact. your goonswarm so none of what you typed actually matters... oh hi thar alt of someone we rofflestomped out of 0.0
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:49:00 - [51] Oh ISS how we miss thee.
EzSnake Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:51:00 - [52] Edited by: EzSnake on 17/06/2008 21:52:05 Oh the world is falling ...the world is falling!!!! OMG there is NO MORE PVP in 0.0 ANYWHERE!! We are all doomed Get out of EMPIRE........ROOKIE! ____________________________________
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:01:00 - [53] Originally by: EzSnake Edited by: EzSnake on 17/06/2008 21:52:05 Oh the world is falling ...the world is falling!!!! OMG there is NO MORE PVP in 0.0 ANYWHERE!! We are all doomed Get out of EMPIRE........ROOKIE! Yes, and perhaps they could move to the North and join a great alliance like IRON or MM or Pure, with nothing but reds 100 jumps in every direction. The only good thing about the northern alliances is they are a great place to stick an NPC'ing macro. ----------
PsychoBones Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Dramaticus Originally by: Dramaticus if i felt like playing with a bunch of ******* pubbies in low sec i wouldn't be here in 0.0 but you have battlestars in your alliance BOOSH No idea how the hell you can stand being in the same alliance as those idiots. They're all a bunch of pubbies who suck at poasting.
Captain Shocker eXtended Corporation 24	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:06:00 - [55] Originally by: EzSnake Edited by: EzSnake on 17/06/2008 21:52:05 Oh the world is falling ...the world is falling!!!! OMG there is NO MORE PVP in 0.0 ANYWHERE!! We are all doomed Get out of EMPIRE........ROOKIE! Is this ironic or hypocritical??..discuss
Loki Dyzon Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:20:00 - [56] Originally by: Omeega All around it's all positive! I love you Omeega (Hugs you in a gaayish way)
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Dianabolic Omeega's got it nailed - if you bleed pilots, it's because they want fun, who in their right mind would try and prevent that? If you alliance dies because of it, so what? Do something else. YOU do what YOU want to in the game. For ourselves, we're completely supporting our guys doing factional warfare - it's fun and it's different, fair play to them. Which faction? I think we've got guys fighting for all the factions. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Rajere No Trademark The OSS	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:37:00 - [58] Quote: Simply, PvP alliances that do not take the 'pirate in empire' route are dieing. Embrace your innner outlaw and problem solved. Our corp went from 25% of membership at -5.0 or worse to ~75% of membership at -5.0 or worse in the span of oh about 4 days. Also it may not be "Cap Blob: Online" in FW yet, but we have been hit by Mothership + carrier/dreads already. Was a good trap, we took the bait and hot dropped a lone carrier outside defenseless POS shields, kinda expected it to happen. NOTR
JeremyCrow	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:41:00 - [59] Edited by: JeremyCrow on 17/06/2008 22:42:35 I think in the near future you'll have the opposite migration... carebear players who tasted PVP and find that FW is kinda pointless (besides the huge instant fun) and migrate to a 0.0 alliance to fight for something more palpable... so it'll even out in the end. And probably CCP already thought of this and will add some more 0.0 content in the next patches to keep the balance. Edit: I'm in the Tribal Liberation Force and I don't see it under my avatar... but I see it in a guy a few posts above. Does this mean I can't post in this forum or is it a bug?
KIAEddZ KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:43:00 - [60] huh.... KIA EVE Home KIA in game Public Channel "KIA"

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