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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.18 12:30:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
FW is a bit like counterstrike or WoW Battlegrounds, low risk PvP which you can easily hop in and out of without much consequence.
I think you have a valid point, though I disagree on the risk analysis (it certainly carries as much risk as any other type of PvP - that of losing your ship).
However, I think the OP's point, and the point of others, is that many of the most active PvPers in the game PREFER that to 0.0 alliance politics and blobbing.
The Sov mechanics and currently static nature of 0.0 powerblocs makes for a certain type of gameplay which many PvPers simply do not enjoy. The uberblobs, compulsory ops to protect someone elses moon income, the lack of enjoyable fights, capital blobs in cynojammed systems etc... the list really does go on... it just doenst appeal to that many people any more.
So if the question, as posed by the OP, is 'will FW bleed PvPers from the static 0.0 alliances' the answer is unquestionably 'yes'.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.18 12:35:00 -
[92]
My point was that I don't see many people from groups like BoB, RA et al leave for FW, because if they would be interested in FW they would have already been in another alliance that focuses more on roaming.
Then again, quite a few of us have alts and can experiment for fun without having to leave our alliance anyway. :)
Go go little Omen Nano Issue. :)
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.18 16:32:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 18/06/2008 16:32:23
Moderately skilled corps in factional warfare are already generating a lot of whining in Eve general discussion by low skill/newer players.
There are also reports on crapheap challenged about a smallish corp getting 1000 kills in 3 days.
And looking at the map for ships destroyed, factional warfare/low-sec is the hottest thing going on in terms of PvP.
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DeathsEmbrace
The Renegades Asylum
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Posted - 2008.06.18 17:55:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
And looking at the map for ships destroyed, factional warfare/low-sec is the hottest thing going on in terms of PvP.
Its not only the hottest its also the most challenging pvp I've even encountered. Mainly due to it being utter chaos. Its not like so much 00 pvp with the hotdropping and cap blobs or hughely skilled nano/roaming gangs. More like the famed Bosena cluster f*** on a grander scale. One minute you can be hunting a frig through the gates. The next jump you make might land you in a blue blob system and get your target or right ontop of a large frig cruiser gang that are going to wtfbbqpwn your ass in seconds.
Having scouts is always usufull but because the random pilots and fleets (small gang or blobs) more around so much you may have no warning before there through and on you, not to mention becasue its all so localised you can't avoid most fights if your in anything other than a inty/fast frig or nano cruiser. Theres no way to predict or prepare for the fights as it can degererate into complete and utter chaos with no idea what will happen next.
To live is to die, and to die is to give life. Thus pain is a form of euphoria.
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Splagada
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.18 18:08:00 -
[95]
i see it as a privateer love. finally CCP understood also the GOOD points behind this alliance (in the previous form, with the million wardecs)
they just had a pre-FW FW training :)
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.06.18 20:18:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 18/06/2008 16:32:23
Moderately skilled corps in factional warfare are already generating a lot of whining in Eve general discussion by low skill/newer players.
There are also reports on crapheap challenged about a smallish corp getting 1000 kills in 3 days.
And looking at the map for ships destroyed, factional warfare/low-sec is the hottest thing going on in terms of PvP.
Trial by fire ftw!
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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JeremyCrow
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Posted - 2008.06.18 20:29:00 -
[97]
Originally by: JeremyCrow
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings.-Navigator([email protected])
I guess the moderator didn't get the part where I stated that I am indeed part of the Tribal Liberation Force but that information is not showing below my avatar.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.18 20:37:00 -
[98]
Let us compare...
0.0 Fleet battle:
Log on, wait for fleet to form and organize, travel 30 jumps to the target system. Arrive at target system 2 hours into the op. Jump into enemy gatecamp with fleet, black screen for 30 minutes, relog, wait 45 minutes to load back up, wake up in station.
0.0 Roaming gang:
Travel 15 jumps, locate Raven in a belt. Warp to belt, Raven disappears. Travel 15 more jumps, locate Raven in belt. Warp to belt, Raven disappears. Travel 15 more jumps to station system, kill a shuttle on the gate. Warp to station, 20 battleships undock, but won't fight. Travel 10 more jumps, run into 50 man blob with carrier support.
Factional Warfare:
Hop into local fleet, travel 0-10 jumps, find instant targets.
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Krystian
Luminaire Atrocity
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:12:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Cautet
A. players who like faction warfare don't understand 0.0 warfare or are not very good at it.
B. players who like faction warfare must be under the age of 16.
C. Members of bitter fail sauce alliances.
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PR0D AK71V
Mad Hamster Infestation
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:26:00 -
[100]
FW is a perfect playground. Not only for those who are under 16.
There's a whole group of people that are either burnt out, as in, tired with blobs, caps online, endless gatecamps, etc etc.
There's also a whole gorup of people who come back home tired after a stressful day at work, just trying to relax in front of computer.
And ther's a group of kids who smack, grief etc. But who cares? I'm playing my game, so I don't.
Plenty of corps joined FW just because there's more fun and targets to be had there.
Did I see 0utbreak recently ? ;P
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:45:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Go go little Omen Nano Issue. :)
Wonderful ship... but not quite Stabber Fleet Issue... oh god I love that puppy :)
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:01:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 18/06/2008 23:02:37
Another major boon for FW is that it's PvP without killmails, essentially, unless you function as one corp/solo without involving other people in your faction.
k/d ratio hoarding, etc... is optional to success.
Major alliances I expect to die/become holding alliances because of FW bleeding within the next 6 months:
Goons
PL
AAA
Cruel Intentions
Privateers
CVA
Daisho
ATF
Smashkill
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Venomire
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.19 02:30:00 -
[103]
It goes against the grain but I seriously love shooting POS.
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Rajere
No Trademark
The OSS
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Posted - 2008.06.19 02:45:00 -
[104]
Quote:
Its not only the hottest its also the most challenging pvp I've even encountered. Mainly due to it being utter chaos. Its not like so much 00 pvp with the hotdropping and cap blobs or hughely skilled nano/roaming gangs. More like the famed Bosena cluster f*** on a grander scale. One minute you can be hunting a frig through the gates. The next jump you make might land you in a blue blob system and get your target or right ontop of a large frig cruiser gang that are going to wtfbbqpwn your ass in seconds.
Having scouts is always usufull but because the random pilots and fleets (small gang or blobs) more around so much you may have no warning before there through and on you, not to mention becasue its all so localised you can't avoid most fights if your in anything other than a inty/fast frig or nano cruiser. Theres no way to predict or prepare for the fights as it can degererate into complete and utter chaos with no idea what will happen next.
To live is to die, and to die is to give life. Thus pain is a form of euphoria.
funny we roam through it all with plated out trimarked BSes, tanked BCs, and HICs. Think the HIC is the lightest ship we field and we're all blinky red. We watch the pubbie fleets roll through and chase who we can and dock when the 100+ caldari gang comes strolling through. We pretty much pre-engage them and snag a few kills before their fleet can get into system, then dock, before then returning for a nice post-engagement and killing all remaining stragglers. The larger the gang the more stragglers, it's like a single file line of ravens warping into a meat grinder. <3 FW.
Mobility is about comms and about intel, think you just need better scouts tbh.
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Cautet
Precision Engineering
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:07:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Krystian
Originally by: Cautet
A. players who like faction warfare don't understand 0.0 warfare or are not very good at it.
B. players who like faction warfare must be under the age of 16.
C. Members of bitter fail sauce alliances.
I don't think you understood my post. I said A and B were MISCONCEPTIONS which were incorrect. So by adding C you are saying this is a MISCONCEPTION also? Or you just felt this thread didn't have enough alt smack and were worry mods might delete it?
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:48:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Go go little Omen Nano Issue. :)
Wonderful ship... but not quite Stabber Fleet Issue... oh god I love that puppy :)
My little alt is one of those Amarr hard liners that just refuses to fly scrap metal bound together by duct tape. :)
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Krystian
Luminaire Atrocity
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:17:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Cautet
I don't think you understood my post. I said A and B were MISCONCEPTIONS which were incorrect. So by adding C you are saying this is a MISCONCEPTION also? Or you just felt this thread didn't have enough alt smack and were worry mods might delete it?
Oh my failure and my apologies for unintended smack. I am just used to the normal smack on these forums and my eyes crossing from blocks of text. Agreed to your original post.
What CCP should do is take note that people are having fun with this form of warfare/pvp. Make a similar but DIFFERENT version for 0.0 if at all possible. Let's face it, no one who plays this game for fun likes POS fighting. It is a long boring exercise that has been killing this game. Now not to alienate the 0.0 crowd still sticking it out I think they should get there own version of this type of PvP WITHOUT POS'S!!!!! Just get rid of them!!! Find something else to harvest moons. POS warfare is boring.
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:21:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 19/06/2008 11:21:04
Key difference is that FW people want to fight insted of logoff or station jockey. But the biggist pro for me is that any boring time on my main is compensated by using a FW alt.
So next time I am part of a fleet busting out your pos's, or you see me in local from the safety of a docking station, just remember, I am having loads of fun blowing stuff up in my FW alt on top of the satisfaction of ruining your day by forcing you to dock up with my main!
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PR0D AK71V
Mad Hamster Infestation
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:49:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 19/06/2008 11:21:04
Key difference is that FW people want to fight insted of logoff or station jockey. But the biggist pro for me is that any boring time on my main is compensated by using a FW alt.
So next time I am part of a fleet busting out your pos's, or you see me in local from the safety of a docking station, just remember, I am having loads of fun blowing stuff up in my FW alt on top of the satisfaction of ruining your day by forcing you to dock up with my main!
unless my day isn't ruined because I've got an alt in FW ? ;]
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The Hooch
Wolf Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.19 13:41:00 -
[110]
Quote:
It is almost certain empire alliances like Privateers are going to be no more -- although the corporations and members themselves will probably stay together under a faction, the alliance itself will die.
Alliances die when they want to.
FW is something is nothing more than state sanctioned pvp. At this time FW is more like the Eve I started playing almost 5 years ago. It has a few bugs but CCP will tweak it I am sure.
At least you can find a fight again without spending a load of isk for a war dec or joining a boring bubble camp in .0 .
With a bit of creative thinking the tradtional empire merc/pirate corps and alliances could make FW a part of their operations with little effort. They just have to decide how they want to do it.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.19 14:41:00 -
[111]
The real winners in this will be the likes of CVA and Ushra'Khan (or however its spelt).
Take CVA. CVA is a full blown Amarr role-player alliance. They are a fairly talented bunch with respect (even if its enemy respect) of the other 0.0 alliances. (Likewise I guess with UK, even if their fortunes haven't been as good over the past year). Where the 0.0 role players stand to uniquely gain, is that their 'storyline' fits neatly with the Faction War 'storyline', so they have the ability to recruit from the FW guys who want something 'bigger' than empire shenanigans, and they have the ability to call on empire for reinforcement.
Goonfleet, BOB or RA I can't see losing members. Those who enjoy 0.0 war, don't enjoy empire war. If they wanted it, they could wardec each other in empire and go nuts there.
The smaller alliances, well perhaps. Hard call.
Best wait till the FW honeymoon is over before making a long term call.
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Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.20 03:17:00 -
[112]
No, CVA will be losers in this.
They have already lost 20 members since the start of this topic.
Moreover, the top 20 alliances by rankings have lost a combined count of approximately 1400 members since the start of this topic.
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Corstaad
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.20 03:35:00 -
[113]
Sorry but PvP groups will soon grow bored of 100mans running after ceptors. FW is a different twist for newer player to enjoy pvp but its not even close to decent pvp.
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An Anarchyyt
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.20 04:10:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 18/06/2008 23:02:37
Another major boon for FW is that it's PvP without killmails, essentially, unless you function as one corp/solo without involving other people in your faction.
k/d ratio hoarding, etc... is optional to success.
Major alliances I expect to die/become holding alliances because of FW bleeding within the next 6 months:
Goons
PL
AAA
Cruel Intentions
Privateers
CVA
Daisho
ATF
Smashkill
It's true. Since FW started, we've been losing hundreds of members per day. I don't even think we'll last through the month. 
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Misanth
Electro Fuels
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:08:00 -
[115]
Omeega, what the hell did you put in your vodka.. you posted more sense in multiple replies in this thread, than you done totally over 5 years in EVE. Either way, whatever you typed here, /sign on that.
FW just gives an optional pvp-base for those interested in it. My corp is currently in FW, I spent more or less my whole gametime in low-/null-sec, and honestly.. I long back to 0.0.
Nothing bad with FW, it's good in many aspects. But .0 is a totally different gameplay and can't be replaced by faction warfare.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:33:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
but look at the popularity of Counterstrike versus Civilization. 
Look at the rapid growth of militias since the release -- they have more players now than BoB and Goonswarm combined.
First; Bob and Goonies don't just freely let anyone join their ranks.
Second; these Pvpers will grow to need isk, isk that is mostly in 0.0, ratting and/or mining or complex running. They will be there in time just to use the rich resources in 0.0.
Third; I think that FW will help the alliances as they will be recuiting trained soldiers, as I said back just before FW was released.
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Rajere
No Trademark
The OSS
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:14:00 -
[117]
I'm not sure if it will affect 0.0 alliances in the long term but in the near term it certainly has obsoleted places like Syndicate.
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:45:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Cautet
The people who are suggesting FW is abit too shallow for them really need to lose the following misconceptions:
A. players who like faction warfare don't understand 0.0 warfare or are not very good at it.
B. players who like faction warfare must be under the age of 16.
Pretty good troll right there.
Also so true, none of us FW people have any experience with 0.0 at all, are all prepubescent, and simply fail to grasp the mechanics of the game from any angle. Every last one of us. Stupid t1 frig noobs tbh, they'll never have any fun. What a bunch of jerks. They're the reason I bleed once a month.
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:47:00 -
[119]
Also they raped my mother and killed my father, funded international terrorism, and are ruining eve.
(Tubes is recruiting btw, spys welcome.
Hi Vio.
\o
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:50:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Cautet
The people who are suggesting FW is abit too shallow for them really need to lose the following misconceptions:
A. players who like faction warfare don't understand 0.0 warfare or are not very good at it.
B. players who like faction warfare must be under the age of 16.
Pretty good troll right there.
Also so true, none of us FW people have any experience with 0.0 at all, are all prepubescent, and simply fail to grasp the mechanics of the game from any angle. Every last one of us. Stupid t1 frig noobs tbh, they'll never have any fun. What a bunch of jerks. They're the reason I bleed once a month.
I think you should have read his post more carefully before responding 
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