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Shanur Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:02:00 - [61] Wow. A posting history of only 2 threads, and the first one does indeed date back to 2005. I guess if you are socially dysfunctional enough, it really is possible to play EVE without ever learning about the "unrestricted interraction with consequences" aspect (meaning anyone can do anything to you they think they can get away with or are willing to bear the consequences of). Welcome to the endgame of EVE . And i thought i was reclusive!
brinelan Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:04:00 - [62] Can I has your stuff? lol -------------------------- Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield
Stazzmo Stealth Assassins	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:14:00 - [63] Edited by: Stazzmo on 20/06/2008 15:15:29 I completely agree with the OP. Scamming is a blight to humanity, CCP should be ashamed of themselves to allow people to take from others or to prey on the weak-minded. And on a related note, i'm glad i was able to help that poor Nigerian doctor who needed someone to help him transfer $500,000 in medical benefits out of his country that his evil government was trying to take from him. That poor man and those poor people. I mean, that $5,000 transfer fee was a small price to pay to help someone out. And he said i would get it back. I mean, why would anyone not trust a doctor? Especially one that has risked his life to help others. Also, i'd get a percentage as a "finder's fee!" Hooray! But if you don't get any satisfaction from CCP, cancel your account and never come back! That will show them you are unhappy for wasting 4 years of time and effort. Don't let CCP and the filthy scammers of EVE win! I dream of electric sheep.
DarthGeddes	Posted - 2008.06.20 22:13:00 - [64] I'd rather play in a sandbox than a controlled environment... I remember runescape (I know, it sucks, please don't flame me) when they limited money gain and loss to 3k every 15mins. So nobody could get scammed.. but nobody could give presents to friends and all forms of buy/ sell profits were gone. One big grind-a-thon. DG.
Elora Narst	Posted - 2008.06.21 14:09:00 - [65] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Obvious troll Eve has some really really stupid people playing, but NO ONE could possibly be stupid enough to play for four YEARS and not know that in game scams are legal. I know many folks will disagree, but some things are simply beyond the power of human stupidity. Sadly, this guy is NOT a troll. He is for real. How do I know? I am the scammer who got him. It was a very, very small scam too: I have used a Freeform contract to get 45M from him. Supposedly, for a Caldari Navy Cruise Launcher. After I have failed the contract, and the OP has realized something is wrong, the following conversation ensued (slightly redacted): [ 2008.06.20 05:03:45 ] Preditorian > hey [ 2008.06.20 05:03:49 ] Preditorian > sry about this [ 2008.06.20 05:03:57 ] Preditorian > i dont see the launcher [ 2008.06.20 05:04:06 ] Elora Narst > you, sir, have been had [ 2008.06.20 05:04:16 ] Preditorian > had? [ 2008.06.20 05:04:40 ] Elora Narst > ummm [ 2008.06.20 05:04:49 ] Elora Narst > your wealth has been redistributed [ 2008.06.20 05:04:51 ] Preditorian > ur kidding me [ 2008.06.20 05:05:18 ] Elora Narst > you tell me [ 2008.06.20 05:05:26 ] Elora Narst > 45m gone, no launcher [ 2008.06.20 05:05:36 ] Elora Narst > I guess not [ 2008.06.20 05:06:10 ] Preditorian > how low ppl can be... [ 2008.06.20 05:06:24 ] Elora Narst > I want to thank you on the behalf of ELNST Wealth Redistribution Service [ 2008.06.20 05:07:32 ] Preditorian > Why do it? [ 2008.06.20 05:07:57 ] Elora Narst > ummm - what do you think the answer would be? [ 2008.06.20 05:07:59 ] Elora Narst > ISK [ 2008.06.20 05:08:09 ] Elora Narst > that's why [ 2008.06.20 05:09:43 ] Elora Narst > oh, and I did not even pwn you - you have pwnt yourself [ 2008.06.20 05:10:00 ] Elora Narst > the good ol Freeform gives you aaample warnings [ 2008.06.20 05:10:22 ] Preditorian > that it does [ 2008.06.20 05:10:39 ] Elora Narst > so why did you accept? [ 2008.06.20 05:10:52 ] Preditorian > First time using contracts [ 2008.06.20 05:11:11 ] Elora Narst > First time pwnt.... Happens [ 2008.06.20 05:11:22 ] Elora Narst > will probably happen again, too [ 2008.06.20 05:11:28 ] Preditorian > no it wont [ 2008.06.20 05:11:39 ] Elora Narst > not with freeform, but there are other... techniques :) [ 2008.06.20 05:12:06 ] Preditorian > dont matter, since i will never do a contract, only trade at location [ 2008.06.20 05:12:34 ] Elora Narst > LOL [ 2008.06.20 05:12:44 ] Preditorian > cant get around that [ 2008.06.20 05:12:45 ] Elora Narst > well, I can still scam that way [ 2008.06.20 05:12:50 ] Elora Narst > sure I can [ 2008.06.20 05:12:55 ] Preditorian > how? [ 2008.06.20 05:13:02 ] Elora Narst > 25% of my scams rely on direct trade [ 2008.06.20 05:13:15 ] Preditorian > interesting [ 2008.06.20 05:13:26 ] Elora Narst > nah, you want to know too much :) Not disclosing trade secrets [ 2008.06.20 05:13:38 ] Elora Narst > but I scam on station trade a-plenty [ 2008.06.20 05:14:28 ] Preditorian > A secret is still a secret if the other does not tell [ 2008.06.20 05:14:40 ] Elora Narst > lol [ 2008.06.20 05:15:02 ] Elora Narst > just an advice for you... always check item info [ 2008.06.20 05:15:09 ] Elora Narst > right-click, get info [ 2008.06.20 05:15:11 ] Elora Narst > always [ 2008.06.20 05:15:28 ] Preditorian > i did [ 2008.06.20 05:15:33 ] Preditorian > what did i miss? [ 2008.06.20 05:15:39 ] Elora Narst > with Freeform? [ 2008.06.20 05:15:42 ] Elora Narst > the warning [ 2008.06.20 05:15:48 ] Preditorian > freeform? [ 2008.06.20 05:16:54 ] Elora Narst > with station trade there are ways to distract your attention while I substitute an inferior item [ 2008.06.20 05:17:01 ] Elora Narst > say, a BPC for a BPO
Elora Narst	Posted - 2008.06.21 14:11:00 - [66] [ 2008.06.20 05:17:37 ] Elora Narst > just check info every time, all the time [ 2008.06.20 05:18:14 ] Preditorian > What else should i look for? [ 2008.06.20 05:18:53 ] Elora Narst > <----- this [ 2008.06.20 05:19:20 ] Elora Narst > primarily, READ [ 2008.06.20 05:20:33 ] Preditorian > guess ill just have a trusted friend get me stuff [ 2008.06.20 05:20:58 ] Elora Narst > he can also be scamz0red [ 2008.06.20 05:21:51 ] Preditorian > doubt it [ 2008.06.20 05:22:11 ] Elora Narst > lol - you would be surprised [ 2008.06.20 05:23:18 ] Preditorian > well i must say, i will likely quit EVE anyway from this [ 2008.06.20 05:23:34 ] Elora Narst > 0.o [ 2008.06.20 05:23:43 ] Elora Narst > people lost billions to me [ 2008.06.20 05:23:51 ] Elora Narst > I doubt they quit [ 2008.06.20 05:24:01 ] Preditorian > ya but those were ppl who can make money [ 2008.06.20 05:24:08 ] Elora Narst > ummm [ 2008.06.20 05:24:14 ] Elora Narst > making money is, like, easy [ 2008.06.20 05:24:16 ] Preditorian > i cant figure out how to make money [ 2008.06.20 05:24:29 ] Elora Narst > trade [ 2008.06.20 05:24:31 ] Elora Narst > easy [ 2008.06.20 05:24:41 ] Elora Narst > buy low, then resell [ 2008.06.20 05:24:41 ] Preditorian > that 45 mil is everything from 4 years of play, so yeah i dont know how to make it [ 2008.06.20 05:24:51 ] Elora Narst > 4 YEARS????? [ 2008.06.20 05:25:02 ] Elora Narst > and you were buying a LAUNCHER with it? [ 2008.06.20 05:25:08 ] Elora Narst > are you SERIOUS? [ 2008.06.20 05:25:09 ] Preditorian > yes [ 2008.06.20 05:25:20 ] Elora Narst > and why did you need a launcher? [ 2008.06.20 05:25:23 ] Elora Narst > just one? [ 2008.06.20 05:25:25 ] Preditorian > i wanted to get my raven with all CN cruise [ 2008.06.20 05:25:39 ] Elora Narst > ah, then 45M is not ALL you have [ 2008.06.20 05:25:44 ] Elora Narst > you have 6 more launchers [ 2008.06.20 05:25:46 ] Preditorian > cuz i found 2 and wanted to start to get all of em [ 2008.06.20 05:25:55 ] Elora Narst > or 2... [ 2008.06.20 05:25:58 ] Elora Narst > and a Raveen [ 2008.06.20 05:26:20 ] Preditorian > exactly [ 2008.06.20 05:26:47 ] Elora Narst > well, you are rich [ 2008.06.20 05:26:54 ] Elora Narst > sell the Raveen and launchers [ 2008.06.20 05:26:57 ] Elora Narst > buy stuff [ 2008.06.20 05:26:59 ] Elora Narst > resell [ 2008.06.20 05:27:06 ] Elora Narst > it ain't hard ........................ [ 2008.06.20 05:29:46 ] Elora Narst > if you are quitting EVE - can I have your stuff? [ 2008.06.20 05:30:10 ] Preditorian > no i will delete it [ 2008.06.20 05:30:30 ] Preditorian > sry im not going to give my stuff to the reason for leavingh [ 2008.06.20 05:30:31 ] Elora Narst > 0.o [ 2008.06.20 05:30:32 ] Preditorian > leaving
Elora Narst	Posted - 2008.06.21 14:13:00 - [67] Edited by: Elora Narst on 21/06/2008 14:14:24 [ 2008.06.20 05:30:40 ] Elora Narst > LOL [ 2008.06.20 05:30:49 ] Elora Narst > give your stuff to my alt then [ 2008.06.20 05:30:57 ] Elora Narst > my alt is innocent [ 2008.06.20 05:31:15 ] Preditorian > do you honestly think that will happen? [ 2008.06.20 05:31:17 ] Elora Narst > he is my alter ego [ 2008.06.20 05:31:22 ] Elora Narst > of course! [ 2008.06.20 05:31:35 ] Elora Narst > I believe in humanist principles [ 2008.06.20 05:31:41 ] Elora Narst > and the Wheel of Karma [ 2008.06.20 05:31:53 ] Preditorian > and yet you ripped me of all my wealth [ 2008.06.20 05:32:14 ] Elora Narst > lol - I ripped you off of a small fraction of it [ 2008.06.20 05:33:08 ] Preditorian > i got 4 mil remaining... [ 2008.06.20 05:33:15 ] Elora Narst > meh - I think you should come with cheese [ 2008.06.20 05:33:20 ] Elora Narst > really [ 2008.06.20 05:33:34 ] Elora Narst > can't you, you know, adapt? and read warnings? [ 2008.06.20 05:33:44 ] Elora Narst > you will be rich in no time [ 2008.06.20 05:33:45 ] Preditorian > its not about that [ 2008.06.20 05:33:49 ] Elora Narst > it is [ 2008.06.20 05:33:57 ] Elora Narst > you pwnt yourself [ 2008.06.20 05:34:01 ] Elora Narst > and now thou whine [ 2008.06.20 05:34:02 ] Elora Narst > :) [ 2008.06.20 05:34:21 ] Preditorian > its the fact that the GM's allow this stuff [ 2008.06.20 05:34:36 ] Elora Narst > welcome to EVE [ 2008.06.20 05:34:50 ] Elora Narst > if they were not to allow it, I would have quit [ 2008.06.20 05:35:04 ] Preditorian > Karma. [ 2008.06.20 05:35:22 ] Elora Narst > what is the point of a game where nobody can pwn you in such an epic way? [ 2008.06.20 05:35:41 ] Preditorian > if i could make money like ur saying i could care less [ 2008.06.20 05:35:52 ] Preditorian > but since i CANT, theres no point [ 2008.06.20 05:36:12 ] Elora Narst > you can't cause you are dumb. I told you HOW, and you still whine [ 2008.06.20 05:36:22 ] Elora Narst > hell, go scam someone [ 2008.06.20 05:36:30 ] Elora Narst > the same way I got you... [ 2008.06.20 05:36:46 ] Preditorian > well enjoy, bye bye Now, usually I don't post chatlogs, and I avoid posting in General Discussion. But this thread is so funny I just could not resist. Some people really do have it coming...
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.21 14:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Preditorian i have been playing for over 4 years and not once did i hear of scams in EVE or that the GM's dont give a rats arse about the people who fall victim to it. In 4 years, you've never heard the words "The great scam", "GHSC Hit", "EIB", "Miz mothership 'sales'"...etc? 6/10 for effort, would maybe read again.
Nonym Ous Ad Astra Vexillum Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.22 11:34:00 - [69] Heh... this thread brings back memories of Ultima Online. Before publish 16, it allowed even more than EVE does now. There was actually a 'steal' skill that people could use to steal objects from other peoples' inventories, and you couldn't do anything about it! There were always tricks to prevent it from happening, of course - but nothing was foolproof. There was no safe place - there were always thieves at the banks, the cities were constantly being attacked by lizardmen and as soon as you left them there'd be PKs. And there was absolutely no better rush than the one you would get when being chased by a PKer. Even when I got killed and lost all of my armor and weapon, I'd still have a huge smile on my face because it's about the most fun you can have in the game. My very first day in the game, within minutes of my character creation, someone tried to scam me out of the Ranger Armor I got on character creation (which was apparently very valuable). I didn't fall for the scam, but minutes later the city was attacked by lizardmen which killed me, and someone else looted the Ranger Armor from my body. Did I quit then? Are you kidding? Of course not! I was having a blast. All kinds of nasty stuff happened, between the stealing, PKing and scamming but after carebear land was introduced in pub 16 and everyone moved there, the game was ruined. No more stealing, no more PKing, no more scams. Even though I never personally did any of those things, the game just wasn't the same without them and I ended up quitting not long after pub 16. So I have to say that although I absolutely despise scammers and pirates, the game just wouldn't be the same without them and I would probably quit if they were removed. The reason I started playing EVE in the first place was because of the PvP aspects. In fact, the fact that there even was a high-sec empire space originally put me off. I figured it would probably be just like UO with everyone in the high-sec space and the low- and null-sec areas completely deserted. I'm glad to see I was wrong.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.06.22 12:08:00 - [70] 45M ISK! OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Nonym Ous Ad Astra Vexillum Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.23 00:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Chribba 45M ISK! OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Yeah... I normally feel bad for people that have been scammed but this is just too funny.
Sovereign533 PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.06.23 02:24:00 - [72] Originally by: Chribba 45M ISK! OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! lol! even mr. niceguy/antiscam/trust person is laughing his butt off. THIS is hilarious. btw, Cribba, nothing personal, but i'd never trust you with a mothership ;)
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.23 02:30:00 - [73] Originally by: Chribba 45M ISK! OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! This. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
MidnightMartyr Chowabunga Inc. The Fifth Race	Posted - 2008.06.23 04:15:00 - [74] Obvious troll is obvious.
Shakuul Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.23 04:25:00 - [75] Originally by: Preditorian ITS A GAME and they insist on letting this go and will no help the victims nor punish the people doing the scam. Like you said, its a game, so your loss isn't real, so stop whining.
Kaalixia	Posted - 2008.06.23 04:28:00 - [76] No way No way No way First of all, to repeatedly state the fact you've been "playing" for four years, is a red flag. I don't remind people I talk with how long I've been playing. I don't go on the forums and toss in some timeline that shows I'm a "vet". So, playing armchair psychologist here, I'm just about 100% convinced you're a bought character or account. Four years nor once heard of scams lol, this entire post has to be a set up Oh and I miss the days when you could put up a single T2 missile on contract and label it as a BPO. I'm damn glad I got in on that scam while it worked :)
Rick Thwaites Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 04:30:00 - [77] Originally by: Preditorian First of all, CCP needs to be down right punched in the face for allowing this into the game. Originally by: Preditorian ITS A GAME That is all. --
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.23 04:56:00 - [78] Originally by: Rayleen Orendo Quote: i have been playing for over 4 years and not once did i hear of scams in EVE ...does not compute. Every time I see a coment like this I flash on the old /gu "idiot or Ebay" comics http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20010606
Ranger802004 Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.06.23 05:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Preditorian First of all, CCP needs to be down right punched in the face for allowing this into the game. ITS A GAME and they insist on letting this go and will no help the victims nor punish the people doing the scam. This is unacceptable, CCP MUST fix this crap, i have been playing for over 4 years and not once did i hear of scams in EVE or that the GM's dont give a rats arse about the people who fall victim to it. I was told to basically get over it. Well i throw the BS flag on the field for that. I paid MY EARNED ISK threw hours of game play and im told that theres nothing do to about it. I have left EVE for this crap and for the response I got from the GM. Maybe someone at CCP will see this and then get a damn clue thats something should be done about it. ....stupidity costs....
Gosh Krux Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.23 05:20:00 - [80] Originally by: Preditorian i have been playing for over 4 years and not once did i hear of scams in EVE Lies. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Billy Sastard Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.06.23 05:57:00 - [81] If that OP is not a troll, then EVE is a better place without this person... -=^=-
Reem Fairchild Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.23 07:35:00 - [82] Originally by: Elora Narst [ 2008.06.20 05:10:52 ] Preditorian > First time using contracts A game mechanic that has been around for the last year and a half and he just used it for the first time. Yeah, this guy hasn't been playing for four years.
Kyra Felann Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.23 07:57:00 - [83] Originally by: Billy Sastard If that OP is not a troll, then EVE is a better place without this person... Digital Darwinism at its finest. If only he had quit without making a whining thread, it would be perfect.
Rhanna Khurin Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.23 08:32:00 - [84] Originally by: Estel Arador EVE investment bank Guided Hand Social Club Wow, i didnt know the eve investment bank actually made any cash. I thought that was clearly a troll joke scam than no-one would fall for it. Sometimes i really do fer for the human race...
Nethras Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.23 08:49:00 - [85] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Billy Sastard If that OP is not a troll, then EVE is a better place without this person... Digital Darwinism at its finest. If only he had quit without making a whining thread, it would be perfect. But then we wouldn't have this highly amusing thread - or have seen Chribba laugh at someone getting scammed cause it was a measly 45 mil Sadly, even with the long-ass chat log, this still feels like a troll... high sec missioning and high sec mining are both lucrative enough (mining mainly with high skills in it, but plenty of training time in 4 years...) that a REALLY SLOW learner playing 4 years would be able to earn more than THAT... which leaves clueless ebayer, and surely after buying a 4 year old char they would be able to buy isk, which makes 45 mil a minor nuisance... my sleep-deprived brain is telling me that's somewhere under $5 worth of isk... One of the more amusing threads to read either way, and should contribute to the piles and piles of threads that make it blindingly obvious to anyone who even glances at these forums that scamming is 100% perfectly legal in EVE.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.06.23 08:59:00 - [86] Originally by: Preditorian i have been playing for over 4 years and not once did i hear of scams in EVE Huh? These two things are contradictory. If you have been playing EVE for four years how exactly did you miss that scaming was allowed? I mean its just really hard to believe this. Hell the Dentara Rast scam made 4 or 5 video game publications awhile back. Like it was in print in gaming magazines and on almost every video game website. -Karl

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.06.23 09:04:00 - [87] Originally by: Nethras But then we wouldn't have this highly amusing thread - or have seen Chribba laugh at someone getting scammed cause it was a measly 45 mil Don't get me wrong, I am fully aware that 45M can be A LOT of ISK for some pilots (I've been there too). But a 4 year old pilot making a thread about 45M ISK is asking to get flamed. I wouldn't have commented it like that if the OP actually was a new player. Four years and 45M ISK and never heard of a scam in the scam-game of all games... Sorry for your loss, one option would be: 1. quit game for one month 2. use the fee for that month to buy a timecard 3. sell it on the forum 4. make 300M (almost 10x more than you made the past 4 years...) 5. ??? 6. profit. Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Xonkra	Posted - 2008.06.23 10:10:00 - [88] poor guy, don't listen to all the trolls and that nasty chribba! i've been playing for like 2 years now and barely made 200 mil myself so i feel your pain. mail me ingame and i'll get you the guy his corpse for a small fee and i'm willing to send you 45 mil but only after i know you are honest so send me 5 mil first then i know you're legit and i'll send 50 mil back. DON'T GIVE UP !!! /ninjatroll Its great using old memes isn't it?
Zinras Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.23 10:39:00 - [89] Edited by: Zinras on 23/06/2008 10:40:20 Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Nethras But then we wouldn't have this highly amusing thread - or have seen Chribba laugh at someone getting scammed cause it was a measly 45 mil Don't get me wrong, I am fully aware that 45M can be A LOT of ISK for some pilots (I've been there too). But a 4 year old pilot making a thread about 45M ISK is asking to get flamed. I wouldn't have commented it like that if the OP actually was a new player. Four years and 45M ISK and never heard of a scam in the scam-game of all games... Sorry for your loss, one option would be: 1. quit game for one month 2. use the fee for that month to buy a timecard 3. sell it on the forum 4. make 300M (almost 10x more than you made the past 4 years...) 5. ??? 6. profit. Chribba's guide to saving your personal economy. Will this be out in book form or only available on the EVE forums? Also, OP must be trolling. I refuse to believe that a 4 year old character haven't heard of that stuff or have only accumulate 45M ISK in 4 years.. If OP shot a single 3000 ISK rat every day for 4 years he would have made 43.800.000 ISK. And you're seriously telling me that's all he has accomplished in 4 years? Besides, Chribba making fun of a person getting scammed in any other context would be a sign of the apocalypse and I don't see that happening just yet Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Turix Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.23 11:36:00 - [90] Welcome to EVE, be quiet and learn from your mistake. __________________________

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