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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.03.14 03:16:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Eve doesn't require alt scouts or alt tackle Actually, speaking from experience and good understanding of EVE game design, I'd argue that EVE does require an alt scout for 1 major reason: star gates
The only way to know what's on the other side of the gate is to jump and see, and jumping leaves you vulnerable to gate camp. Map statistics aren't good enough. In pretty much everything else, it is possible to scout solo without putting your life on pure luck.
I suppose you could argue that a gate can be scouted solo in a cloaker ship, but that's basically doing the job of an alt scout by switching ships one 1 char.
If EVE was better designed, there would be a way to "peek" on the other side of the gate without gambling with your ship. But I suppose it's more profitable for CCP to require alt scouts |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
126
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Posted - 2012.03.14 03:21:00 -
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Ephemeron wrote:Cearain wrote:Eve doesn't require alt scouts or alt tackle Actually, speaking from experience and good understanding of EVE game design, I'd argue that EVE does require an alt scout for 1 major reason: star gates The only way to know what's on the other side of the gate is to jump and see, and jumping leaves you vulnerable to gate camp. Map statistics aren't good enough. In pretty much everything else, it is possible to scout solo without putting your life on pure luck. I suppose you could argue that a gate can be scouted solo in a cloaker ship, but that's basically doing the job of an alt scout by switching ships one 1 char. If EVE was better designed, there would be a way to "peek" on the other side of the gate without gambling with your ship. But I suppose it's more profitable for CCP to require alt scouts
Risk aversion does not equate necessity.
NoRly. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1056
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Posted - 2012.03.14 03:27:00 -
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Cearain wrote:What you said makes no sense in relation to my post.
Yes it does - you were effectively putting the question as "Hey new guy, would you like to play a game that forces you to do X and Y horrible terrible things?" You prime the pump with the question and get the answer you want to get from the new person.
Quote: Eve doesn't require alt scouts or alt tackle. So I don't complain that it does.
The booster alts however are becoming required if you want to be competitive. You don't need to get upset just because you use them. I don't blame you - its a huge advantage. I'm training one myself. But certainly if I knew the game was going to force me down this path I probably would not have installed it.
Nevertheless ask new players what they think about starting into a game where you will be at a severe disadvantage if you do not dual box these alts. Ask it however you want you don't have to use my wording - if that is your issue.
While I do have booster alts, I don't actually use them. When I roll with a booster alt, I do it on my main and play the scouting roll (yes, really). I might be more inclined to use booster alts, but I found that running Eve on 1920x1080 with high graphics and getting acceptable Fraps footage just doesn't pan out.
But hey, don't let me stand in the way of your pathetic pity party where you complain that someone in your fleet might want to run bonuses.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
747
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Posted - 2012.03.14 03:43:00 -
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Ephemeron wrote: *) empire mining became unprofitable (compared to good old days). Even mining in 0.0 sucks
Empire mining was never the path to uber riches, not even in the good old days. Back in '07, hi-sec ores were stuck in the 60-75 ISK/m3 range, with Omber as the standout at about 100 ISK/m3. Tritanium used to be worth about 2 ISK and change, as people could just buy NPC-sold shuttles in bulk and melt them for Tritanium needs.
This is the first time in 5 years that hi-sec ores have gotten above 120 ISK/m3 and stayed there for more then a week or two.
It's actually far easier now for a new player to make a few hundred million by their 3rd month, maybe even a billion ISK by month 3 if they apply themselves. Between PI planets (which are low-skill, low capital, and low risk) and the far greater ease of mission running or doing incursions in a battlecruiser, plus all the extra ISK sloshing around in the market, it's just not hard for a new player to earn ISKies. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.03.14 03:54:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote:I've tried to get friends from other MMOs to sign up with me, but they all say the same thing, EVE has a bad reputation, steep learning curve, and they'll never catch up with the veteran players so they won't even try it. Thats why rifters and blackbirds are so much fun. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Endeavour Starfleet
699
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:07:00 -
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Right now unless you have a friend throwing isk at you. EVE is absolutely horrid for the new player.
A friend who had been in from beta got me in. I was just about ready to call it quits when he gave me some ships and helping me fit them. Had that not happened I would likely have just tried this real life thing
They have GOT to get into a group ASAP. Yet it is hard to get into a good group because of game mechanics that gives spiez and thieves a huge advantage.
I propose some changes.
#1 Implementation of http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Possibly_Practical_POS_Performance_Proposal_%28CSM%29 Especially the parts about allowing far better seperation so that people can be given space in POS without having to risk other folk's stuff.
#2 Remove the ability to train or use ECM, Scramble, or webbing for 30 days from start of character. Before you freak out many treat new players with suspect because of blue spi direct action. Noobs should not be out on the front likes as tackle frigs in their first 30. They need time to take it all in! And the benefit of more into better corps outweighs your need for cannon fodder. Make it harder to make throwaway spi alts!
#3 Moar and different incursions replacing missions altogether. Solo content in EVE sucks! It always has and always will. Make it so noobs banding together will always beat lvl 1-3 missions and the full on incursions obviously beating 4.
#4 Get rid of player mining. It sucks and full of bots. It cant be saved so mise well make it something passive to fight over.
#5 Reward bot reports that lead to an actual ban. So that bot hunting can be something noobs can make isk from.
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
120
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:01:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Noobs should not be out on the front likes as tackle frigs in their first 30. They need time to take it all in! And the benefit of more into better corps outweighs your need for cannon fodder. Make it harder to make throwaway spi alts!
A pvp combat corp isn't going to fleet up with someone who isn't familiar with the game, they will just be a liability and will die so damn fast they might as well not come at all. Something as easy as burn out to the target and orbit at maximum scram/web range is easy and makes a newbie useful. They can pick up the basics along the way. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
127
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:08:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Right now unless you have a friend throwing isk at you. EVE is absolutely horrid for the new player. A friend who had been in from beta got me in. I was just about ready to call it quits when he gave me some ships and helping me fit them. Had that not happened I would likely have just tried this real life thing They have GOT to get into a group ASAP. Yet it is hard to get into a good group because of game mechanics that gives spiez and thieves a huge advantage. I propose some changes. #1 Implementation of http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Possibly_Practical_POS_Performance_Proposal_%28CSM%29 Especially the parts about allowing far better seperation so that people can be given space in POS without having to risk other folk's stuff. #2 Remove the ability to train or use ECM, Scramble, or webbing for 30 days from start of character. Before you freak out many treat new players with suspect because of blue spi direct action. Noobs should not be out on the front likes as tackle frigs in their first 30. They need time to take it all in! And the benefit of more into better corps outweighs your need for cannon fodder. Make it harder to make throwaway spi alts! #3 Moar and different incursions replacing missions altogether. Solo content in EVE sucks! It always has and always will. Make it so noobs banding together will always beat lvl 1-3 missions and the full on incursions obviously beating 4. #4 Get rid of player mining. It sucks and full of bots. It cant be saved so mise well make it something passive to fight over. #5 Reward bot reports that lead to an actual ban. So that bot hunting can be something noobs can make isk from.
1) From what I see, that sounds just fine.
2) No. Tackle is one of the few useful things a noob can do, and you want to take that away from them? Like we bring noobs to fights for the awesome DPS of their Rifters...
3) No. Just no. ISK faucets of this proportion are just bad.
4) That would have been a great idea except for the actual content of the idea. Eve is player-driven. Mining needs an overhaul, not to be replaced by passive harvesting. Passive faucets need to be limited and eliminated not expanded upon and given to anybody who wants to earn some extra ISK. Market orders are the obvious exception to this sentiment. Want passive ISK, train some marketing skills.
5) This will never happen because it encroaches too closely upon CCP's policy regarding No Name and Shame, which they are pretty much incontrovertibly opposed to changing. Besides, "Bot Hunter" should never, ever, be a profession that a serious game company endorses within the context of their game, unless it's a cyberpunk game where you actually hunt robots.
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
120
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:13:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?
I'm still waiting for the Incursion groups that welcome anyone who can fly a BC into their midst. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
127
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:19:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?
I'm still waiting for the Incursion groups that welcome anyone who can fly a BC into their midst.
Straight from the horse's mouth. I feel your pain, and wish I had better advice than "good luck."
Good luck.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:28:00 -
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Hi, new player here.
I joined maybe eight months ago around the time of all the Incarna drama. I made a post then on the previous-version of Degren about why I have avoided Eve for all these years, why I finally joined.
I suppose now would be a good time to say my current experience in game, what I've done, what nearly made me quit, etc.
I joined with several friends with the intent to get in stealth bombers and try and get some amusing kills/early action. We figured stealth bombers were a decent low-skill way to hop into higher tiers of pvp (ie, not just tackling). We didn't want to join an alliance, we just wanted to carve out our little niche of Eve space.
We ended up joining a player corp and were quickly side tracked into mining and industry at the corp's behest, and also followed the advice of Rookie Help and E-Uni chat. We stuck with high-sec, grinded for cybernetics V and downloaded EveMon for the ~perfect skillqueue~
Based on the advice of other players, we became risk averse, high-sec babies.
Let me just tack on a point and say the five of us are considered "hardcore pvpers" in other games, including other sandboxes such as UO. We are among the highest ranked in ...most... games we pick up and run with. Mining and acquiring isk became our mentality and it was NOT what drew us to the game.
They quit. I stayed, quite angered and bored. At this point I was doing nothing but logging in to play Blink, update my skillqueue and log off. When the realization that I was paying money to basically do nothing but get "lucky isk" and update skills I don't use struck me, the decision was either quit or start anew.
I started anew. I was unsure what to train for now. My friends and I had plans together. Our chosen ewar would supplement each others, we would have five stealth bombers so we assumed the burst damage would rock faces...now it was only me.
I was clueless what to do, what to shoot for, what my role in Eve would be. I couldn't be solo, that would not only be boring for me, but it would likely require a bit of waiting.
So I started asking some people on the forums, people whose gameplay philosophies matched my own (based on their posts) what I should do.
Joined Red vs Blue, started training combat stuff...its currently delayed getting Destroyers and Battlecruisers V, but I can still have fun in Rifters. When I get a decent amount of combat and skill training under my belt, I'll shoot for an alliance.
TL;DR: I had prior knowledge that Eve was pvp-centric, and it was the bad advice of carebears and ego-tripping no-nothings that nearly killed Eve for me. Seriously if you have no clue what you're talking about, don't give advice. New players have no way of telling the difference. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:43:00 -
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Degren wrote:Hi, new player here.
I joined maybe eight months ago around the time of all the Incarna drama. I made a post then on the previous-version of Degren about why I have avoided Eve for all these years, why I finally joined.
I suppose now would be a good time to say my current experience in game, what I've done, what nearly made me quit, etc.
I joined with several friends with the intent to get in stealth bombers and try and get some amusing kills/early action. We figured stealth bombers were a decent low-skill way to hop into higher tiers of pvp (ie, not just tackling). We didn't want to join an alliance, we just wanted to carve out our little niche of Eve space.
We ended up joining a player corp and were quickly side tracked into mining and industry at the corp's behest, and also followed the advice of Rookie Help and E-Uni chat. We stuck with high-sec, grinded for cybernetics V and downloaded EveMon for the ~perfect skillqueue~
Based on the advice of other players, we became risk averse, high-sec babies.
Let me just tack on a point and say the five of us are considered "hardcore pvpers" in other games, including other sandboxes such as UO. We are among the highest ranked in ...most... games we pick up and run with. Mining and acquiring isk became our mentality and it was NOT what drew us to the game.
They quit. I stayed, quite angered and bored. At this point I was doing nothing but logging in to play Blink, update my skillqueue and log off. When the realization that I was paying money to basically do nothing but get "lucky isk" and update skills I don't use struck me, the decision was either quit or start anew.
I started anew. I was unsure what to train for now. My friends and I had plans together. Our chosen ewar would supplement each others, we would have five stealth bombers so we assumed the burst damage would rock faces...now it was only me.
I was clueless what to do, what to shoot for, what my role in Eve would be. I couldn't be solo, that would not only be boring for me, but it would likely require a bit of waiting.
So I started asking some people on the forums, people whose gameplay philosophies matched my own (based on their posts) what I should do.
Joined Red vs Blue, started training combat stuff...its currently delayed getting Destroyers and Battlecruisers V, but I can still have fun in Rifters. When I get a decent amount of combat and skill training under my belt, I'll shoot for an alliance.
TL;DR: I had prior knowledge that Eve was pvp-centric, and it was the bad advice of carebears and ego-tripping no-nothings that nearly killed Eve for me. Seriously if you have no clue what you're talking about, don't give advice. New players have no way of telling the difference.
Dear god, is this a good post.
You even did the self-depracating thing and admitted your mistake.
High-sec risk aversion ruins this game for new players ane bittervets alike.
Good for you for getting into PVP. I won't even knock your chosen affiliates!
Good luck to you, and keep spreading the word about the dangers of high-sec-only risk-averse noobs. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Pink Leaf
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:45:00 -
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New player comes to eve. New player see's all of the things you can do, all of the careers you can take up. New player gets excited.
A few weeks down the line and new player realizes that apart from missions none of the other stuff is worth doing. New player is told that things are better in low-sec. New player fly's to low-sec. New player gets blown up.
New player get's fed-up and bored. New player leaves eve. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:47:00 -
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Pink Leaf wrote:New player comes to eve. New player see's all of the things you can do, all of the careers you can take up. New player gets excited.
A few weeks down the line and new player realizes that apart from missions none of the other stuff is worth doing. New player is told that things are better in low-sec. New player fly's to low-sec. New player gets blown up.
New player get's fed-up and bored. New player leaves eve.
This person never wanted a PVP game in the first place.
Who believes they can PVP in a game (ANY game) when they're fresh out of the box in an open arena?
Some people are not going to like Eve, this is just a fact. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
122
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:50:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?
I'm still waiting for the Incursion groups that welcome anyone who can fly a BC into their midst. Straight from the horse's mouth. I feel your pain, and wish I had better advice than "good luck." Good luck.
Meh
Nothing to me is more nihilistic than making money to serve no other end than to make more money.
I just get tired of reading about how they are something that anyone can get into when they are so obviously not. It's the same minmax crowd you see in any highend pve area of a game and they never, ever change. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:59:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?
I'm still waiting for the Incursion groups that welcome anyone who can fly a BC into their midst. Straight from the horse's mouth. I feel your pain, and wish I had better advice than "good luck." Good luck. Meh Nothing to me is more nihilistic than making money to serve no other end than to make more money. I just get tired of reading about how they are something that anyone can get into when they are so obviously not. It's the same minmax crowd you see in any highend pve area of a game and they never, ever change.
I think you missed the irony in my post.
You were probably given the advice to run Incursions to get money for [whatever].
Then somebody like Cipher Jones comes along and tells you it's easy to train for logi or tengus and start running incursions, so you try to do that but train for a battlecruiser, too, in the interim. You do this for survivability and with the hopes of being allowed in Incursion fleets because your fit is "good enough for now." Except it isn't, because those bastards don't want to take an ISK per hour hit or they won't get any coal from their Chinese ISK Lords for the furnace.
Sound about right?
So inflation happens, the Tengu gets further away, and you still don't have any income or anything to show for your training.
And people wonder why you'd be frustrated? Training for logi or tengus takes months of time and subs.
You're literally paying CCP in the hopes that their crop of cool kids will eventually accept you into the fold when you hit that "magic number." If I had this experience in Eve, I'd be tempted to leave, too.
Incursions. Are. Stupid. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Pink Leaf
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:01:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
This person never wanted a PVP game in the first place.
Who believes they can PVP in a game (ANY game) when they're fresh out of the box in an open arena?
Some people are not going to like Eve, this is just a fact.
New player has less than zero chance against the predators that roam their own training grounds, never mind those that lurk in low-sec.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:01:00 -
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Pink Leaf wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
This person never wanted a PVP game in the first place.
Who believes they can PVP in a game (ANY game) when they're fresh out of the box in an open arena?
Some people are not going to like Eve, this is just a fact.
New player has less than zero chance against the predators that roam their own training grounds, never mind those that lurk in low-sec.
New player can join group who does.
Problem solved.
Eve isn't for everybody, maybe even you.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
122
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:12:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?
I'm still waiting for the Incursion groups that welcome anyone who can fly a BC into their midst. Straight from the horse's mouth. I feel your pain, and wish I had better advice than "good luck." Good luck. Meh Nothing to me is more nihilistic than making money to serve no other end than to make more money. I just get tired of reading about how they are something that anyone can get into when they are so obviously not. It's the same minmax crowd you see in any highend pve area of a game and they never, ever change. I think you missed the irony in my post. You were probably given the advice to run Incursions to get money for [whatever]. Then somebody like Cipher Jones comes along and tells you it's easy to train for logi or tengus and start running incursions, so you try to do that but train for a battlecruiser, too, in the interim. You do this for survivability and with the hopes of being allowed in Incursion fleets because your fit is "good enough for now." Except it isn't, because those bastards don't want to take an ISK per hour hit or they won't get any coal from their Chinese ISK Lords for the furnace. Sound about right? So inflation happens, the Tengu gets further away, and you still don't have any income or anything to show for your training. And people wonder why you'd be frustrated? Training for logi or tengus takes months of time and subs. You're literally paying CCP in the hopes that their crop of cool kids will eventually accept you into the fold when you hit that "magic number." If I had this experience in Eve, I'd be tempted to leave, too. Incursions. Are. Stupid.
Oh no, I had the BC, Tengu ect. skills even before this whole mess started. What I lack is the 800m or so for one and the idea of buying one with all the trimmings and having enough to replace it in a speedy fashion makes me think what's the point? Buying the best ships in the game just to farm money is stupid. If I had sh*tloads of disposable income I'd be pvp'ing regularly. Farming should be a means, not an ends.
I couldn't care less about joining them I just hate it when people misrepresent a situation to serve their own purposes. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Pink Leaf
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:13:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
New player can join group who does.
Problem solved.
Eve isn't for everybody, maybe even you.
Please try to understand that not all who play eve, need to prove they have a bigger wanger than the next eve player.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:18:00 -
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Pink Leaf wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
New player can join group who does.
Problem solved.
Eve isn't for everybody, maybe even you.
Please try to understand that not all who play eve, need to prove they have a bigger wanger than the next eve player.
How does joining a group make your wang bigger? I never experienced this effect... He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
124
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:19:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Pink Leaf wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
New player can join group who does.
Problem solved.
Eve isn't for everybody, maybe even you.
Please try to understand that not all who play eve, need to prove they have a bigger wanger than the next eve player. How does joining a group make your wang bigger? I never experienced this effect...
Stand next to someone with a much smaller wang?
It'll at least look bigger. I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:22:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Oh no, I had the BC, Tengu ect. skills even before this whole mess started. What I lack is the 800m or so for one and the idea of buying one with all the trimmings and having enough to replace it in a speedy fashion makes me think what's the point? Buying the best ships in the game just to farm money is stupid. If I had sh*tloads of disposable income I'd be pvp'ing regularly. Farming should be a means, not an ends.
I couldn't care less about joining them I just hate it when people misrepresent a situation to serve their own purposes.
This is among the most sense I've seen in this thread.
And oh, how their purposes appear to be served! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ender Karazaki
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:09:00 -
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I'm a fairly new player and although I do not know much about the game yet, I can tell you that my first few days in eve has been bewildering, furstrating, confusing and sometimes enjoyable.
The skill training is not something I'm used to. Since I've played EQ1 it was level bar in that filled by killing rats and snakes and completing quests. The more you put in the more you progressed. I log onto eve and I see things are done over time, fair enough I think this is something that everyone in the game will have to go through. I ask for advise get 100 different answers.
Some suggested that I just buy some isk and train my implants up to lvl and not log in for a week! You can guess how that made me feel. It felt as if I was wasting my time in the game since no matter what i did in the game, a guy who just logs on to fix his training que and logs back out again could be ahead of me because he buys ISK to get the best implants. That made me feel like ****
Another thing is the contradictory advice you get in what to train and how best to move farward in the game and the how the career paths diverge. For example, say I want to PVP but use mining and industry to fund it. That simply isn't realistic and these sort of restrictions furstrate me although I accept it's part of the consequences of my choices. However I hate the idea of being given the choice of choosing one path over another or
I would make one suggestion. Before the game starts I would have the game ask a player what their chosen career path would be. If they say Industry, put them in a n00b corp for industry. If the say PVP put them in a n00b corp for that so they can get into a corp that is relevant to their interest. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1317
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:16:00 -
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The other night I was running around in my Federation Comet with a cargo hold full of caviar and Grey Poupon...
ok kidding on that last part
I saw a Velator MINING.
Yes. I was drunk, but double checked and it was a Velator. MINING.
4 hour old character.
I threw the noob a million ISK with a note saying "Get a Navitas or something".
Now here's the best part: I was leaving a station later after refitting, because I suck at fitting ships after 6 years, and saw the same player in a Navitas!
It might have been the first time anyone in this game ever followed a suggestion. I am sure it will be worked out of him soon enough.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:20:00 -
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Ender Karazaki wrote:I'm a fairly new player and although I do not know much about the game yet, I can tell you that my first few days in eve has been bewildering, furstrating, confusing and sometimes enjoyable.
The skill training is not something I'm used to. Since I've played EQ1 it was level bar in that filled by killing rats and snakes and completing quests. The more you put in the more you progressed. I log onto eve and I see things are done over time, fair enough I think this is something that everyone in the game will have to go through. I ask for advise get 100 different answers.
Some suggested that I just buy some isk and train my implants up to lvl and not log in for a week! You can guess how that made me feel. It felt as if I was wasting my time in the game since no matter what i did in the game, a guy who just logs on to fix his training que and logs back out again could be ahead of me because he buys ISK to get the best implants. That made me feel like ****
Another thing is the contradictory advice you get in what to train and how best to move farward in the game and the how the career paths diverge. For example, say I want to PVP but use mining and industry to fund it. That simply isn't realistic and these sort of restrictions furstrate me although I accept it's part of the consequences of my choices. However I hate the idea of being given the choice of choosing one path over another or
I would make one suggestion. Before the game starts I would have the game ask a player what their chosen career path would be. If they say Industry, put them in a n00b corp for industry. If the say PVP put them in a n00b corp for that so they can get into a corp that is relevant to their interest.
Thank you Ender, I think what you wrote pretty much sums-up the feelings of a great majority of new players to EVE.
There have been some very good responses in this thread and of course the expected "nothing is wrong", "show proof" and other non-contributing responses. Thanks for those, folks.
EVE is not dying, it's just not growing at a decent pace. That's what I started this thread with, that's where I will leave it.
I would say "fly safe" but that's not going to happen
Thank you all, until the next time.
o/
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:24:00 -
[117] - Quote
Ender Karazaki wrote:I'm a fairly new player and although I do not know much about the game yet, I can tell you that my first few days in eve has been bewildering, furstrating, confusing and sometimes enjoyable.
The skill training is not something I'm used to. Since I've played EQ1 it was level bar in that filled by killing rats and snakes and completing quests. The more you put in the more you progressed. I log onto eve and I see things are done over time, fair enough I think this is something that everyone in the game will have to go through. I ask for advise get 100 different answers.
Some suggested that I just buy some isk and train my implants up to lvl and not log in for a week! You can guess how that made me feel. It felt as if I was wasting my time in the game since no matter what i did in the game, a guy who just logs on to fix his training que and logs back out again could be ahead of me because he buys ISK to get the best implants. That made me feel like ****
Another thing is the contradictory advice you get in what to train and how best to move farward in the game and the how the career paths diverge. For example, say I want to PVP but use mining and industry to fund it. That simply isn't realistic and these sort of restrictions furstrate me although I accept it's part of the consequences of my choices. However I hate the idea of being given the choice of choosing one path over another or
I would make one suggestion. Before the game starts I would have the game ask a player what their chosen career path would be. If they say Industry, put them in a n00b corp for industry. If the say PVP put them in a n00b corp for that so they can get into a corp that is relevant to their interest.
I liked your post, but noob corps aren't the answer. Blind leading the blind and all.
The best thing you could possibly do is get out of noob corps for good. Obviously I'm going to suggest combat PVE, to synergize with your goal of PVP combat.
But don't grind too much. Go out and have fun in cheaper, throwaway ships. Who knows, you might find a faction spawn out in low-sec. I did. On my third day subbed. In a frigate. I got a Halo Beta for my troubles, even though I didn't get any player kills that night!
The ISK sorts itself out in time. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ai Shun
357
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:29:00 -
[118] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:There have been some very good responses in this thread and of course the expected "nothing is wrong", "show proof" and other non-contributing responses. Thanks for those, folks.
It seems to me all you wanted was somebody to say: "Yes, Thorn. I agree with you Thorn". Asking you for more information about player retention, when you make a fairly substantial claim, is not non-contribution. It comes from somebody who works with data, information and so forth for a living who is interested in the health of this game. If you don't have it, just say so. Then I know you're just full of **** and I can treat your post as opinion, instead of fact as you stated it.
Not that difficult, is it?
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Tomiko Kawase
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.14 07:55:00 -
[119] - Quote
Coming from other mainstream titles, EVE was a breath of fresh air. I started playing in the midst of the Incarna rollout and if nothing else, the Jita riots sealed the deal for me. For a playerbase to show such emotion and effect change I knew I stumbled on something great. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
128
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Posted - 2012.03.14 08:02:00 -
[120] - Quote
Tomiko Kawase wrote:Coming from other mainstream titles, EVE was a breath of fresh air. I started playing in the midst of the Incarna rollout and if nothing else, the Jita riots sealed the deal for me. For a playerbase to show such emotion and effect change I knew I stumbled on something great.
You really should have seen the threadnaught on ghost training.
Now there was a hot topic!
It had everything...lies...manipulation...deceit...treachery...
...not to mention a lot of backpedaling and an extremely stoic CCP staff who utterly refused to comment.
CCP could outright lie to you and you'd still play the game.
Trust me, it happened to hundreds of thousands of us. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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