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Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:34:00 - [31] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 22/06/2008 09:35:48 Originally by: Wet Ferret If something costs an outrageous amount of money in EVE it's probably one of the following: A) unique B) incredibly rare C) very costly to produce or D) broken overpowered In case of the polycarbon rig, its clearly answer C. Just check prices on trit bars. Furthermore, define outrageous, are capitals broken overpowered?
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Wet Ferret Originally by: Kelli Flay Yes plus it is also the amount of isk you spent on the setup so it doesn't matter if it is balanced or not. God Mode is okay as long as you pay for it. It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not because, sadly, many people actually think this way. If something costs an outrageous amount of money in EVE it's probably one of the following: A) unique B) incredibly rare C) very costly to produce or D) broken overpowered I was being serious. i guess you haven't read all posts where the supporters of Nanos say it is okay "because the setups they use costs so much." I am sure they are referring mostly to their Snakes and Rigs but it doesn't make their argument any less ridiculous. It doesn't take away from the fact that it is broken. Now I don't know if you're serious or not... In my mind, serious = supports nano whereas sarcastic = says something in mock support of nano in order to disparage ridiculous pro-nano arguments. Anyway, my nano-Stiletto is still teh ownxorz. And it can warp scramble you from outside of Heavy Unstable neut range too, so Sok DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Wet Ferret If something costs an outrageous amount of money in EVE it's probably one of the following: A) unique B) incredibly rare C) very costly to produce or D) broken overpowered In case of the polycarbon rig, its clearly answer C. Just check prices on trit bars. C. The price of poly's is in line with the cost of alloyed tritanium bars which are used in popular rigs including polys and cargo optimizations. DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:39:00 - [34] CCP needs to automatically ban people off the forums for 12 hours every time the word nano is being used. 48 hours if its an entire thread about nanos. 72 hours if you are calling for nano nerfs! __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Artemis Rose CCP needs to automatically ban people off the forums for 12 hours every time the word nano is being used. 48 hours if its an entire thread about nanos. 72 hours if you are calling for nano nerfs! /signed
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:43:00 - [36] Edited by: Napro on 22/06/2008 09:45:25 If nano pilots are as skilled as they claim... why do they need invincible ships to pvp? All i hear from those cowards is how since they got a nano, they're k/d ratio has gone up. Hmm. Ok. Shouldn't your k/d ratio have already been as high as possible if you were relying on mere skill? Nerf the **** or lose alot of customers, CCP. edit: Lawl @ nanoobs calling for bannings!This forum is for discussing Eve online.... when the abomination of 20km/s ships is removed from Eve... so to will the threads.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:45:00 - [37] Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 09:45:37 Originally by: Napro Nerf the ** or lose alot of customers, CCP. Yeah, 'cause they've been losing over nine thousand** subs per day for the last year 'cause of nano gangs, and they didn't nerf nano's AT ALL up to this point (nanophoon, r.i.p.)... idiot. My nano-Stiletto would pwn your stupid Caldari face, noob. DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Havohej Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 09:45:37 Originally by: Napro Nerf the ** or lose alot of customers, CCP. Yeah, 'cause they've been losing over nine thousand** subs per day for the last year 'cause of nano gangs, and they didn't nerf nano's AT ALL up to this point (nanophoon, r.i.p.)... idiot. My nano-Stiletto would pwn your stupid Caldari face, noob. How many noobies have come in contact with nanos since FW? I'm a 2-3month old acct and I had never even heard the term nano until FW. When people that enlisted in the miltias to enjoy EA's new features run into the wall of crap that is invincible ships... people are going to leave.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Kelli Flay on 22/06/2008 09:50:10 Originally by: Havohej Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 09:45:37 Originally by: Napro Nerf the ** or lose alot of customers, CCP. Yeah, 'cause they've been losing over nine thousand** subs per day for the last year 'cause of nano gangs, and they didn't nerf nano's AT ALL up to this point (nanophoon, r.i.p.)... idiot. My nano-Stiletto would pwn your stupid Caldari face, noob. Do you bring up your Stiletto in EVERY thread? I guess you think you are impressing people because you own one? I bet you own a uber Warlock in WoW too right?
Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:50:00 - [40] So after they nerf nanos (looking for a ban here) to keep customers, the same whiners will prolly ragequit a week later anyway when they're jammed by a falcon
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Lilith Velkor So after they nerf nanos (looking for a ban here) to keep customers, the same whiners will prolly ragequit a week later anyway when they're jammed by a falcon No because what a Falcon does is an intended feature of the game. I am sure CCP didn't intend to allow a certain setup to render other ship's modules and weapons useless and allow the nanofag to escape every fight he can't win. See the difference?
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:54:00 - [42] Edited by: Napro on 22/06/2008 09:53:59 Originally by: Lilith Velkor So after they nerf nanos (looking for a ban here) to keep customers, the same whiners will prolly ragequit a week later anyway when they're jammed by a falcon It's simple numbers. Who will CCP hurt more from? Losing the 20 nanoobs or the 1,000+ FW pilots they harass on a daily basis? Even if Eve only loses 50 out of the 1,000 from frustration, that's still a bigger loss than losing all the nanoobs. Or do you nanoobs actually think you're more important in real life because you have invincible pixels?
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Kelli Flay Edited by: Kelli Flay on 22/06/2008 09:50:10 Originally by: Havohej Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 09:45:37 Originally by: Napro Nerf the ** or lose alot of customers, CCP. Yeah, 'cause they've been losing over nine thousand** subs per day for the last year 'cause of nano gangs, and they didn't nerf nano's AT ALL up to this point (nanophoon, r.i.p.)... idiot. My nano-Stiletto would pwn your stupid Caldari face, noob. Do you bring up your Stiletto in EVERY thread? I guess you think you are impressing people because you own one? I bet you own a uber Warlock in WoW too right? I only bring up my nano-Stiletto here (note that I've added the nano- prefix every time) because it amuses me. But my nano-Stiletto would pwn ur face too. And my uber BM Orc Hunter on Lightninghoof used to pwn faces, but I haven't played WoW since September '07. I never had a problem with warlocks... 'cept this one time when I got pwnt by a gnome lock... but we don't talk about that. DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Lilith Velkor So after they nerf nanos (looking for a ban here) to keep customers, the same whiners will prolly ragequit a week later anyway when they're jammed by a falcon No because what a Falcon does is an intended feature of the game. I am sure CCP didn't intend to allow a certain setup to render other ship's modules and weapons useless and allow the nanofag to escape every fight he can't win. See the difference? What modules are you using on a target when jammed? How do you keep him from warping off when jammed? Exactly.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Kelli Flay Edited by: Kelli Flay on 22/06/2008 09:50:10 Originally by: Havohej Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 09:45:37 Originally by: Napro Nerf the ** or lose alot of customers, CCP. Yeah, 'cause they've been losing over nine thousand** subs per day for the last year 'cause of nano gangs, and they didn't nerf nano's AT ALL up to this point (nanophoon, r.i.p.)... idiot. My nano-Stiletto would pwn your stupid Caldari face, noob. Do you bring up your Stiletto in EVERY thread? I guess you think you are impressing people because you own one? I bet you own a uber Warlock in WoW too right? I only bring up my nano-Stiletto here (note that I've added the nano- prefix every time) because it amuses me. But my nano-Stiletto would pwn ur face too. And my uber BM Orc Hunter on Lightninghoof used to pwn faces, but I haven't played WoW since September '07. I never had a problem with warlocks... 'cept this one time when I got pwnt by a gnome lock... but we don't talk about that. If you did indeed got owned by a Gnome lock then you lose all credibility here.
Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:58:00 - [46] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 22/06/2008 10:00:05 Originally by: Napro It's simple numbers. Who will CCP hurt more from? Losing the 20 nanoobs or the 1,000+ FW pilots they harass on a daily basis? Even if Eve only loses 50 out of the 1,000 from frustration, that's still a bigger loss than losing all the nanoobs. Thats the thing, they'll rather keep the 500 players that are there for years and will probably be there for a few more years than 1000 trials who'll ragequit after a week. Seasoned players know solutions to the tactics used against them, I'm sure Caldari militia has quite a few. Learn from them is all I can say.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Napro How many noobies have come in contact with nanos since FW? I'm a 2-3month old acct and I had never even heard the term nano until FW. When people that enlisted in the miltias to enjoy EA's new features run into the wall of crap that is invincible ships... people are going to leave. So what you're saying is you FW clowns should get the best of 'epic 0.0 fleet warfare' and not have to deal with players using 0.0 tactics? That it's not enough for CCP to hold your hand and whisper assurances that 'it's okay, baby' to get you to pvp at all, but now you want them to hold your hand and nerf speed tank fits for the SECOND time? You've been playing for 2-3 months, as you said, so you don't remember reading about how nanos were already nerfed. You probably don't remember reading about the nos nerf, or the drone nerf, either. Six months from now, you'll be posting to a 2-3 month player about how they don't remember some nerf that already happened that they'll still be whining about 'cause they don't know. 'nano' ships aren't broken, mate. My nano-Stiletto pwns faces. DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Auron Shadowbane Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:00:00 - [48] if nanos are overpowered why dont you fly them? ccp starts nerfing things when they get used too much. they havent nerved anything since nanophoon and that means not enough ppl fly nanos. ever heard "adapt or die"? was a common term back when I joined eve...
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:00:00 - [49] Originally by: Lilith Velkor What modules are you using on a target when jammed? How do you keep him from warping off when jammed? Exactly. For a nanoob claiming to be a 'skilled vet'... you sure skipped over a whole section of modules called ECCM. I suggest you give it a whirl and drop the cheatership
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Kelli Flay If you did indeed got owned by a Gnome lock then you lose all credibility here. That's why we don't talk about it It was in STV and I had a habit of only using Tab to target stuff, flip through targets, etc. I was ganking some noob alliance guys and this succubus comes out of nowhere and there was so many freaking murlocs around that I couldn't tab to the lock and god knows you can't click on them if they're moving around... /wow My nano-Stiletto pwns faces!!! kek DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Napro Originally by: Lilith Velkor What modules are you using on a target when jammed? How do you keep him from warping off when jammed? Exactly. For a nanoob claiming to be a 'skilled vet'... you sure skipped over a whole section of modules called ECCM. I suggest you give it a whirl and drop the cheatership Are you saying nanoships spawn T2 bpos? DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Havohej So what you're saying is you FW clowns should get the best of 'epic 0.0 fleet warfare' and not have to deal with players using 0.0 tactics? Wow.. what? FW is not about bringing 0.0 to Empire. When we have Carriers and Dreads to counter nanofags, then you'll have a point. Until then, you fail
Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Napro Originally by: Lilith Velkor What modules are you using on a target when jammed? How do you keep him from warping off when jammed? Exactly. For a nanoob claiming to be a 'skilled vet'... you sure skipped over a whole section of modules called ECCM. I suggest you give it a whirl and drop the cheatership Fyi, I never flew a nanoship (nanofiber structure yes, but no 'classic' nano ships like vaga), but I successfully fought them. And btw, the counters to nano are far more effective than eccm is to ecm.
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:04:00 - [54] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Napro Originally by: Lilith Velkor What modules are you using on a target when jammed? How do you keep him from warping off when jammed? Exactly. For a nanoob claiming to be a 'skilled vet'... you sure skipped over a whole section of modules called ECCM. I suggest you give it a whirl and drop the cheatership Are you saying nanoships spawn T2 bpos? Yeah, sure.. that's exactly what I'm saying Nice Chewbacca defence
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Napro Originally by: Havohej For a nanoob claiming to be a 'skilled vet'... you sure skipped over a whole section of modules called ECCM. I suggest you give it a whirl and drop the cheatership Are you saying nanoships spawn T2 bpos? Yeah, sure.. that's exactly what I'm saying Nice Chewbacca defence I don't know what a Chewbacca defence is, but I wasn't defending anything with that post. I was making a joke based on something that happened in EVE before your time to illustrate my previous point. Originally by: Napro Originally by: Havohej So what you're saying is you FW clowns should get the best of 'epic 0.0 fleet warfare' and not have to deal with players using 0.0 tactics? Wow.. what? FW is not about bringing 0.0 to Empire. When we have Carriers and Dreads to counter nanofags, then you'll have a point. Until then, you fail Newsflash: capital ships are not the counter to nanogangs.
Lilith Velkor Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Napro Wow.. what? FW is not about bringing 0.0 to Empire. When we have Carriers and Dreads to counter nanofags, then you'll have a point. Until then, you fail You can use carriers, dreads and even motherships in FW if you like, so I guess he has a point?
Napro	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Havohej Newsflash: capital ships are not the counter to nanogangs. So not even the biggest most expensive ships in eve can counter Nanogfags. How are you helping your argument here? Btw, isn't there a rule about pyramid quoting?
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:17:00 - [58] Edited by: Havohej on 22/06/2008 10:18:59 Originally by: Napro Originally by: Havohej Newsflash: capital ships are not the counter to nanogangs. So not even the biggest most expensive ships in eve can counter Nanogfags. How are you helping your argument here? Btw, isn't there a rule about pyramid quoting? Not only do you not know how to counter nano-fit ships, you also don't know what a pyramid quote is. When you understand why the nano-fit exists, you'll begin to understand how to defeat the nano-fit. Read all of my posts in this thread and you'll see one phrase stick out often: nano-Stiletto. Do you know what a Stiletto is? EDIT: Added link to CCP Saint's explanation of what a pyramid quote is so you'd have one less thing to fail about in this thread. DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:18:00 - [59] Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Lilith Velkor So after they nerf nanos (looking for a ban here) to keep customers, the same whiners will prolly ragequit a week later anyway when they're jammed by a falcon No because what a Falcon does is an intended feature of the game. I am sure CCP didn't intend to allow a certain setup to render other ship's modules and weapons useless and allow the nanofag to escape every fight he can't win. See the difference? This is so hopelessly wrong I don't even know where to start First of all, EVE is a sandbox game, no ship has to be pidgeonholed in to one role, you can fit it as you want to, you aren't locked, by nerfing everything YOU think is out of order we lock ships in to one role, this is not right. Ever tried aiming medium guns at nanos or are you just grasping at straws here? There are 2 kinds of nano. a) Gunboat nano b) Droneboat nano Gunboat nano has to slow down to hit you, that is then an excellent time for you to shoot at it and press your neut which means he got no mwd pulse, he's in your range and he's out of cap. Droneboat nano isn't as fast as gunboat nanos and you can just kill its drones and the dps is gone, magic :o There's also only one of these in the game So by using neuts, killing drones, using ecm and tracking disruptors, the inside of your skull + medium guns (hell even large blasters with null does some odd 200 dps you can render nanos useless, reduce their dps, shoot them and make them unable to escape. Missiles are broken and need a fix to bring in line with turrets vs nano boats. ______________________________________________ Euriti - I'll continue my nerd forum rage!
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 10:23:00 - [60] I agree with most of Tenuo's post, except that I don't think missiles are necessarily 'broken'... I find it interesting that you can get some ships to go faster than a missile can go... perhaps a more significant bonus from skills (I forget the name of the one that increases missiles' max velocity atm) but not so much of a bonus that it makes missiles able to hit interceptors easily. Wouldn't want to go nerfing my nano-Stiletto. DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN

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