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zenia starwalker Grave Diggers	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:06:00 - [1] So ive seen all these nano this anti nano that threads and I have come to one conclusion. Nano's are expensive, Ive seen nano setups upwards of a billion, and Ive seen anti nano set ups that are vary expensive as well. This got me wondering, all these guys are great pvpers, which im not, how the heck do they make all this isk to afford all these uber set ups? Running mish will not keep you in these uber setups ship after ship, and I cannot picture you in a hulk mining for days on end, and you certainly do not get that kind of isk salvaging wrecks, if you have time. So how do you make isk?
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:07:00 - [2] datacore farm alts (not as good as it used to be), ratting in 0.0, carebear alts, some leftover T2 BPO owners, some people invest a bunch of money in something (though that's usually a great way to get screwed), a friend of mine makes freighters by logging in once a week and pulls 3-4 bil every few days. A lot of corps help out with stuff, too.
Mazzarins Demise 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:10:00 - [3] I make my money through trading and manufacturing.
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:10:00 - [4] i have wondered this too... seemingly endless supply of HAC's and command ships, snake sets, etc. i guess they probably use mission, mining, or trader alts to farm up some isk, or maybe they rat around in 0.0 for awhile. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Blind Man Point Blank Carebears	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:10:00 - [5] trading mostly. also killing stuff looting it and not dying. ╟
Trojanman190 D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:11:00 - [6] Edited by: Trojanman190 on 23/06/2008 17:11:15 I don't think anyone is going to post here and honestly they say that they support their pvp with pvp only... which is the way I wish it was =(
zenia starwalker Grave Diggers	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:12:00 - [7] ratting in 0.0 only gets me about 20 to 30 million an hour, And gets boring, although when I was in hydra I used to do it quite often because I would get a lot of hauler spawns in vale and make over 150 mill off each spawn. Other than the hauler spawns, I just dont see ratting as a viable way to feed the pvp bug. ratting for 3 to four hours for 80 million?
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:14:00 - [8] Well, if you only lose one HAC a week you only need to rat for 3-4 hours a day for 3 days to buy another.
Blind Man Point Blank Carebears	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:14:00 - [9] Edited by: Blind Man on 23/06/2008 17:14:58 Originally by: Trojanman190 Edited by: Trojanman190 on 23/06/2008 17:11:15 I don't think anyone is going to post here and honestly they say that they support their pvp with pvp only... which is the way I wish it was =( when ANDE was going we did it fine, pretty much all we did was hang around low sec lonetrek and kill stuff on gates, however a lot of the times we also kill the odd carrier/gang who thinks they r ubar gate campers.. you get a few navy ravens once in a while. and we almost NEVER died.. im not saying all we did was gank people because a lot of the times you would get decent sized gangs or multiple targets on a gate and we would still go for it IMO if you are always losing money @ pvp then you're doing it wrongÖ ╟
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Haakelen a friend of mine makes freighters by logging in once a week and pulls 3-4 bil every few days. how? does he mine truckloads of minerals, or does he buy the minerals/components to build them? and isn't the manufacturing time on a freighter like at least a week? but i suppose if he had multiple freighter BPO's he could build more than one at a time... ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.

Kolwrath Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:17:00 - [11] In my experience PVP'rs get thier isk from: 1. Ratting in 0.0 2. Manufacturing Alts 3. PVE Mission Alts Having done alot of pvp, there isn't any money in it really ... Originally by: Chaos Space Marines Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
Haakelen Force d'action navale	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Alora Venoda Originally by: Haakelen a friend of mine makes freighters by logging in once a week and pulls 3-4 bil every few days. how? does he mine truckloads of minerals, or does he buy the minerals/components to build them? and isn't the manufacturing time on a freighter like at least a week? but i suppose if he had multiple freighter BPO's he could build more than one at a time... I don't know the details (he won't tell me all of it lol), but I know he has at least 4 freighter BPOs.
Batolemaeus Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:20:00 - [13] To be perfectly honest, i sell stuff. I sell stuff to lazy missionrunners. Factionloot that is of no worth for me, selling for 1b+. Crystal implants for completely insane prices 30% more than in jita, because they can't fly the 3 jumps to jita. Basically, i profit from lazyness and stupidity. And i make enough cash with it to spend my moneys on stuff.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:22:00 - [14] Suicide ganking. Ransoms. Smartbombing shuttles en route to Jita full of implants/BPOs/Cap skill books. Assumption of Risk
Reem Fairchild Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:23:00 - [15] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 23/06/2008 17:23:42 I don't fly "nano" heavy assault ships, but as for how I make my money... This character is my industrial alt, and she manufactures and trades in rigs. It's very profitable.
Xaen Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:29:00 - [16] Golem alt. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:31:00 - [17] No one of you will leave the closed and say "selling GTC"? Honesty is good for the soul. My opinion is that at least 1/4 of them use that system to finance the ships.
Jacksie021	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Batolemaeus To be perfectly honest, i sell stuff. I sell stuff to lazy missionrunners. Factionloot that is of no worth for me, selling for 1b+. Crystal implants for completely insane prices 30% more than in jita, because they can't fly the 3 jumps to jita. Basically, i profit from lazyness and stupidity. And i make enough cash with it to spend my moneys on stuff. shhh dont tell them :D
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Jacksie021 Originally by: Batolemaeus To be perfectly honest, i sell stuff. I sell stuff to lazy missionrunners. Factionloot that is of no worth for me, selling for 1b+. Crystal implants for completely insane prices 30% more than in jita, because they can't fly the 3 jumps to jita. Basically, i profit from lazyness and stupidity. And i make enough cash with it to spend my moneys on stuff. shhh dont tell them :D The really embarassing thing is that it also works the other way around: "traders" in Jita who can't be arsed moving 3 systems over to pick up stuff at a far lower price.
Bazman Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:41:00 - [20] I do various things to make isk. Doing one thing purely can net you alot but it gets boring. I'll do the occasional ratting (maybe once a fortnight, get about 100m), resell stuff in 0.0 (Not hard to stuff any spare m¦ in your carrier with T2 mods to sell for a profit later on makes quite a bit if you do it regularly) Trade faction mods in empire etc. Also, just don't lose your ship all that often :P -----

Arvald Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:42:00 - [21] scamming Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Psychotic Turtle Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:43:00 - [22] Empire high sec reaserch pos, datacore farming and T2 construction en mass. All those take up about 10 minutes of my time a week.
Reem Fairchild Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Venkul Mul No one of you will leave the closed and say "selling GTC"? Honesty is good for the soul. My opinion is that at least 1/4 of them use that system to finance the ships. I do the opposite. I use my ISK making to finance my playing time.
Kaar Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:45:00 - [24] Suicide ganks and poker --- ---
Lord WarATron Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.23 17:46:00 - [25] Originally by: zenia starwalker So ive seen all these nano this anti nano that threads and I have come to one conclusion. Nano's are expensive, Ive seen nano setups upwards of a billion, and Ive seen anti nano set ups that are vary expensive as well. This got me wondering, all these guys are great pvpers, which im not, how the heck do they make all this isk to afford all these uber set ups? Running mish will not keep you in these uber setups ship after ship, and I cannot picture you in a hulk mining for days on end, and you certainly do not get that kind of isk salvaging wrecks, if you have time. So how do you make isk? Manufacture Faction is the current flavor, though every few months isk making tactics change -- Billion Isk Mission
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.06.23 18:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Psychotic Turtle Empire high sec reaserch pos, datacore farming and T2 construction en mass. All those take up about 10 minutes of my time a week. Exactly. Also half decent nano setups aren't that expensive, for instance my nano zealot costs less than 150mil, it does plenty of damage thanks to 2 damage mods and a tracking enhancer, only does about 3.2km/s but its fast enough to not take too much damage and to be able to disenage if you use it right. Though of course the running away isn't the important bit its that nano ships are great fun to fly and arn't easily defeated by blob tactics.
Lord WarATron Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.23 18:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Dirtball Invention killed pvp paying for stuff. The days of making 100 mil a day each for 2 hours of 4 peeps ganking in belts is long gone. Then run lvl4's in minmatar space and manufacture Republic MWD's for the nano warriors to buy. Ver hoon gives out 9k lp per mission if I remember correctly. -- Billion Isk Mission
Jenny Spitfire LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.06.23 18:29:00 - [28] I mien and yes, we PVPers mine liek no tommorow. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.06.23 18:33:00 - [29] mining
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.23 18:40:00 - [30] It takes a lot of SP and a decent amount of start-up capital, but if you know what your doing and can tap the demand, you can make a crudload of cash with an industry alt, especially if you mine, research, manufacture and invent. The more of the process you do yourself, the more profit you get to keep. Also, ratting in 0.0 helps keep the balance up -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

Dalek Commander	Posted - 2008.06.23 18:41:00 - [31] On a very good day I can make about 50mil an hour ratting in the drone regions (alloys + salvage). That's after corp and alliance taxes. Normally I average about 20-25mil an hour since pruning belts to get a good 3x BS spawn takes time. This is using just 1 account... I've seen people use a carrier and alts to salvage/haul, and they can *****a whole system of belts at a time...
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.23 20:14:00 - [32] From the sounds of everythign said in this thread - there is no such thing as a true-pirate, or a true-pvp'er - or at least very few are. Gotta carebear, pve, at some point or another - so that makes all of us Yarr-Bears I guess ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.23 20:42:00 - [33] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Suicide ganking. Ransoms. Smartbombing shuttles en route to Jita full of implants/BPOs/Cap skill books. This.
Eemaavi	Posted - 2008.06.23 20:47:00 - [34] Trade Alts, Industry Alts, suicide ganking and some PvP. If in 0.0, add Plex Farming, Ratting, Officer Spawns and the occasional Moon Mining POS. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.23 21:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Alora Venoda Originally by: Haakelen a friend of mine makes freighters by logging in once a week and pulls 3-4 bil every few days. how? does he mine truckloads of minerals, or does he buy the minerals/components to build them? and isn't the manufacturing time on a freighter like at least a week? but i suppose if he had multiple freighter BPO's he could build more than one at a time... I don't know the details (he won't tell me all of it lol), but I know he has at least 4 freighter BPOs. I've built Freighters 10 day to 12 days to build a Freighter (depending on how well the BPO is researched). At best, maybe 200mil profit per ship, probably more like 100mil. so..... Assuming 8 BPOs running 24/7, at 10 days per cycle and 200mil profit per ship... 160mil profit a day. 4.8 bil per month. My hunch is that profit is a lot less. Play nice while you butcher each other.
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.23 21:55:00 - [36] i just try to avoid getting killed so much
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.23 22:04:00 - [37] invention for a few hours of doing some stuff semi afk... i get enough to not worry about any isk. usually i just invest my proffits back into the invention / manufactoring as i just dont need the liquid isk. i got about 30 pvp fitted ships ready for anything :P hacs/recons/BS/command ships etc. if you are smart whit your money... you can multiply it very fast :) ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Kale Kold Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:08:00 - [38] Edited by: Kale Kold on 23/06/2008 23:08:41 Originally by: zenia starwalker how the heck do they make all this isk to afford all these uber set ups? Running mish will not keep you in these uber setups ship after ship, and I cannot picture you in a hulk mining for days on end, and you certainly do not get that kind of isk salvaging wrecks, if you have time. So how do you make isk? Basically, we blow people's ships up and sell the loot/cargo and we are completely self sufficient in doing so. We never mine, run missions, etc.
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:09:00 - [39] I pimp my self out on the corner of 4-4 in jita
sg3s O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:13:00 - [40] It's really simple actually: You make ISK by using any method in the game which has over 10m/h. I can spend 20hrs or doing that then buy a 200m ship... THEN THE BEST PART COMES You just DO NOT DIE in a nanoship.... if you know what you're doing that is... The only time I've lost a nanoship was becouse my PC crapped out on me.

Duraj	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:25:00 - [41] Edited by: Duraj on 23/06/2008 23:26:27 Go to amarr space, preferably the amarr system. look up the buy orders for all weaponry for that region. The buy orders go for something like 100-300 isk a unit. Next, look at the SELL orders of these same guns. 50,000-300,000 isk a unit. thats a 5000% profit. thats how its done, and Im sure its not just isolated to any one region.. basically, the newbie mission runners always get screwed, to support the nanofleetards.
FORD ESC0RT State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:28:00 - [42] They die 1% of the time by flying nanos all the time.
Rhanna Khurin Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:39:00 - [43] I just drink booze and mine roids.
Dorah Hawkwing Armada.	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:41:00 - [44] Lvl 4 missions, loot, salvage, sell modules, sell salvage, have several agents gimme datacores, produce things no NPC produces, sell those in a good market corner, make a few guesses at market, ferry tags to the area where they sell better.. etc. Nothing in itself is a huge profit, but overall the money flows to support my level of gameplay. Diversity, I think, is the game called.
Roguehalo RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:46:00 - [45] Arms dealing ftw!!
DeadDuck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:51:00 - [46] I mission/build/sell... when I'm in need of some isks. ________________ God is my Wingman
The Crushah Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing Lvl 4 missions, loot, salvage, sell modules, sell salvage, have several agents gimme datacores, produce things no NPC produces, sell those in a good market corner, make a few guesses at market, ferry tags to the area where they sell better.. etc. Nothing in itself is a huge profit, but overall the money flows to support my level of gameplay. Diversity, I think, is the game called. It depends on where you mission run. In some places, the LP's are far more profitable than the loot/salvage. I run missions with two characters and my goal is to tear through the missions as fast as possible leaving the loot salvage behind.
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:02:00 - [48] Comrades! Wake up to the facts! The Bourgoise Rulers of Eve make up LESS then one percent of Eve pilots. They run the major alliances of zero space and own and control the major moon mining operations and useful T2BPOs in Eve, which funds THEIR pvp and the fleets they use to defend their isk sources. The rest of you peasants are allowed to do only two other things in Eve. Either you continue to scratch out a peasants existance in empire, which serves the Bourgoise Elite's purposes as it provides them with cheap minerals from the loot you dump from missions... or you go to zero WITH THEIR PERMISSION to serve as cannon-fodder (often paid for by YOU thru ratting and rental payments you make to them for the privilege) to defend their assets in zero. WHAT A JOKE HAS BEEN PLAYED UPON YOU! IT IS NO WONDER THEY ARE LAUGHING! BUT IT IS TIME FOR A NEW ERA! THE NEW E.R.A.! EVE REVOLUTIONARY ARMY For more information contact Ira Theos
Grath Telkin Evolving Paradigms	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:26:00 - [49] Ford Escort sounding like an idiot again, nice. Seriously, never sold a GTC, though i buy alot. Isk is pretty simple, once you find a nice niche where you can bank a good bit. Through freighters, multiple invention alts (though its shrunk alot, the t2 invention profits used to be pretty high). Mission running on an alt or main can generate large sums of cash (look at all the friggin faction fit CNR's). Basically we've all found an easy way that were comfortable doing alot, and we do it. Oh, and Ford is an asshat, 1% my left nut. Check a killboard sometime dbag.
doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:35:00 - [50] Originally by: zenia starwalker So how do you make isk? I beat people up and take their ****. And I don't nano a damned thing, for the record. Hell, even my 'ceptors are fit for damage Nostalgia \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace

Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Comrade Commizzar Edited by: Comrade Commizzar on 24/06/2008 00:09:57 Comrades! Wake up to the facts! The Bourgoise Rulers of Eve make up LESS then one percent of Eve pilots. They run the major alliances of zero space and own and control the major moon mining operations and useful T2BPOs in Eve, which funds THEIR pvp and the fleets they use to defend their isk sources. The rest of you peasants are allowed to do only two things in Eve. Either you continue to scratch out a peasants existence in empire, which serves the Bourgoise Elite's purposes as it provides them with cheap minerals from the loot you dump from missions... or you go to zero WITH THEIR PERMISSION to serve as cannon-fodder (often paid for by YOU thru ratting and rental payments you make to them for the privilege) to defend their assets in zero. WHAT A JOKE HAS BEEN PLAYED UPON YOU! IT IS NO WONDER THEY ARE LAUGHING! BUT IT IS TIME FOR A NEW ERA! THE NEW E.R.A.! EVE REVOLUTIONARY ARMY For more information contact Ira Theos We, the Bourgoise Rulers of EVE chuckle at your inadequacy. Leo
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:53:00 - [52] You didn't laugh when Goon Swarm showed up.... and you won't be laughing when Peasant Swarm shows up either...
Kagura Nikon Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.24 02:01:00 - [53] Why do you say missiosn won 't do it? If you run level 4 missiosn in an efficient way whiel looting and salvaging you can EASILY make 30 mil per hour. A single saturday afternoon runnign missions can pay for a lot of stuff... ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Synapse Archae Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.06.24 02:05:00 - [54] 0.0 Ratting. If I rat for 1 hour each day for a month, I can afford two losses that month and break even, maybe a little less. Most nano pilots I know are perpetually broke. It doesnt take much loss-wise to hurt our pocket books, and breaking even in a battle where you lose even one ship can be difficult. - - - Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.24 02:17:00 - [55] mission run: isk goes to buying gtcs loot/salvage goes to fitting new ships I have quite a few battleships now
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.24 02:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Forum Monster Originally by: Kale Kold Edited by: Kale Kold on 23/06/2008 23:08:41 Originally by: zenia starwalker how the heck do they make all this isk to afford all these uber set ups? Running mish will not keep you in these uber setups ship after ship, and I cannot picture you in a hulk mining for days on end, and you certainly do not get that kind of isk salvaging wrecks, if you have time. So how do you make isk? Basically, we blow people's ships up and sell the loot/cargo and we are completely self sufficient in doing so. We never mine, run missions, etc. ...yea maybe you should learn to fly ur onyx first emo..lol ur a gtc seller admit it. Their isn't one person in eve that can only profit from pvp and if you say you have ur lyin. The reason I don't believe you is blobs destroy everyone they come across, I don't care how good you think you are..ur gonna get blobbed once in a while. If I didn't have to buy gtcs I could very well do this
Bellum Eternus D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.24 02:28:00 - [57] Originally by: zenia starwalker So ive seen all these nano this anti nano that threads and I have come to one conclusion. Nano's are expensive, Ive seen nano setups upwards of a billion, and Ive seen anti nano set ups that are vary expensive as well. This got me wondering, all these guys are great pvpers, which im not, how the heck do they make all this isk to afford all these uber set ups? Running mish will not keep you in these uber setups ship after ship, and I cannot picture you in a hulk mining for days on end, and you certainly do not get that kind of isk salvaging wrecks, if you have time. So how do you make isk? Far beyond normal players, in the rarified air of expert PVPers, there lies the overclass: Pirates. These are players that are so good, they actually make all of their ISK through killing other players. I know it's a crazy concept, but it's true. I start to feel poor when I have less than a few bill in liquid ISK. IMO a true pirate never has to mission or mine or do any of the usual stuff to make ISK other than kill people and take their stuff. The sad thing is, it's becoming harder and harder to be a successful pirate, as ship module prices (T2) have dropped a great deal, plus the introduction of WTZ and numerous other changes that have made Eve a much easier place for the stupid and inept to survive. Eve will continue down this path, with no new changes benefitting players like pirates. Every change from here on out will continue to water down the combat environment. So yeah. How do I make my ISK? By killing people. Lots of them. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Blitz'Krieg SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2008.06.24 02:29:00 - [58] i think a lot of players now have started buying hulk alts. you get a couple of them and your set.
JafoPBCFR	Posted - 2008.06.24 02:42:00 - [59] i make mine selling Gallen slaves to the amarr.
doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.24 03:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Forum Monster Their isn't one person in eve that can only profit from pvp and if you say you have ur lyin. At the risk of stating the obvious in the aftermath of your typing; you're an idiot. Nostalgia \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace

Bellum Eternus D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.24 04:15:00 - [61] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Forum Monster Their isn't one person in eve that can only profit from pvp and if you say you have ur lyin. At the risk of stating the obvious in the aftermath of your typing; you're an idiot. It's so much more fun on the forums when you do all the work. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Lardarz B'stard Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:22:00 - [62] trade alts, and manufacturer alts aka ripping people off, and making things
Raymon James Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:27:00 - [63] Originally by: Duraj Edited by: Duraj on 23/06/2008 23:26:27 Go to amarr space, preferably the amarr system. look up the buy orders for all weaponry for that region. The buy orders go for something like 100-300 isk a unit. Next, look at the SELL orders of these same guns. 50,000-300,000 isk a unit. thats a 5000% profit. thats how its done, and Im sure its not just isolated to any one region.. basically, the newbie mission runners always get screwed, to support the nanofleetards. which is why im always telling people if you think about selling a module, do the quickeck for mineral prices, if its way below that point, REPROCESS IT for the minerals and sell those instead.
Novemb3r Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:49:00 - [64] Originally by: Venkul Mul No one of you will leave the closed and say "selling GTC"? Honesty is good for the soul. My opinion is that at least 1/4 of them use that system to finance the ships. I've sold GTCs before when I have been really short of cash but it's a pretty expensive way to make ISK since you're only getting 175~ million for a 30 day. It'll hit you in the wallet to do it this way. I guess if money is no object tho it's the fastest way to do it. Mostly I just run missions. -
sahalis	Posted - 2008.06.24 06:03:00 - [65] When I just started pirating, we had a small pirate wannabe corp running, all of us had 6 months under belt in skill training but little in terms of pvp experience. So we had some ops roaming in low sec and camping gates. It was fun but didn't generate that much ISK - low sec was almost often empty and all the haulers we killed never dropped anything of value. Sometimes you'd get to ransom a noob mining in a Vexor for a few mil, may be a mining barge pilot, but really nothing too good. We got a little bit better at it and decided to go visit out local 0.0. And this is when the ISK started rolling in. T2 fitted battleships, gistii Hulks, pilots willing to pay hundreds of million of ISK in ransom for their pods no doubt containing some very expensive implants, haulers carrying some very nice rat loot and occasionally POS fuel etc. Life was good and to think of it we made enough ISK that i could entirely support myself with pvp ops, not that I did it at that time but i could have. Perhaps we got lucky most of the time, I don't know, but it was a ton more ISK compared to low sec. Right now I trade and make something like 10 billion ISK a month. This is not all to support pvp - I just happen to like trading also. If I took a vacation from pvp and just traded for several months, i could make something close to 17-18 bil a month for a total of say 70 bil for like 4 months vacation doing just trading. Then I could quit it and pvp without a care for a long, long time ...
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:24:00 - [66] Edited by: Franga on 24/06/2008 07:25:48 Mission ***, ransom and lewtz. Some of the stuff rich folk stick on their ships is great. Always nice to get a faction item of high-value. And FW makes it great, many mission runners going out to pew-pew with fantastic t1 named items. Get a couple pandemonium BCU and you've got yourself a new BS with some fittings. Vary noice. Originally by:** Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:39:00 - [67] Originally by: FORD ESC0RT They die 1% of the time by flying nanos all the time. Why dont fly nanos all the time We die more often You need to be banned. _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist.
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:48:00 - [68] Well, I've made a great majority of my personal income from PvP and other random low-sec adventures. A particular mission runner in low sec dropped deadspace and officer fittings. That was a big enough payday for a few months... ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group ACSG Open For Recruitment (AU/AsiaPac/Late Night PST) Originally by: Grarr Dexx YE
Hehulk Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:50:00 - [69] I keep PVPing, just I only do it on the market ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.24 08:17:00 - [70] Piracy. Run from the fights where you're unlikely to win, run from blobs, be damn paranoid, kill/ransom enough targets, fly as cheap (while being effective) as possible. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

Kale Kold Vicious Little Killers	Posted - 2008.06.24 13:47:00 - [71] Originally by: Forum Monster Originally by: Kale Kold Basically, we blow people's ships up and sell the loot/cargo and we are completely self sufficient in doing so. We never mine, run missions, etc. ...yea maybe you should learn to fly ur onyx first emo..lol ur a gtc seller admit it. Their isn't one person in eve that can only profit from pvp and if you say you have ur lyin. The reason I don't believe you is blobs destroy everyone they come across, I don't care how good you think you are..ur gonna get blobbed once in a while. Lol, dont make me laugh! You can look at our killboard or on battleclinic if you want. Real pirates can easily be self sufficient at Pirating and if you have eyes at every gate and every member spamming the scanner you never get blobbed and you always know where everyone is in the system at any given time. Maybe you should learn the pirate ways before calling me a lier You obviously know who i am and what im capable of because you know my ship, and for the record Pirating is not true PvP!!! We gank, steal, scam, and destroy anthing if there profit in it, which usually involves violence. I supposed you wouldn't consider probing a mission running BS and waiting until it's shields are cut in order to warp in a *****it PvP would you? but it is fighting and it is profitable, very very profitable. Forum \| Killboard
Spectre3353 The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:52:00 - [72] Originally by: Cpt Branko Piracy. Run from the fights where you're unlikely to win, run from blobs, be damn paranoid, kill/ransom enough targets, fly as cheap (while being effective) as possible. At least one person has the right idea. This is how you do it if you want to be a REAL pirate. All the rest of you are ******* carebears. ----- http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
fivetide humidyear The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:04:00 - [73] trading, ransoms and not dying too much. why pop a hulk for maybe 10 mil on the surviving strip miners when you can ransom it for 50?
nameless oats	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:43:00 - [74] Steal vagabond bpos, destroy alliances, let motherships escape after they sneak me a pay off.
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:50:00 - [75] I find that destroying alliances, then jacking with the market at stations where they have ships stranded is very profitable. Like the Insurgency/Tri failures who are buying my Oxygen Isotopes for 2750 isk per unit just so that they can get their Capitals out of their former stations. But Hey, I'm anti-Piewrat, so I gotta have another means.
Trathen	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:57:00 - [76] Originally by: Novemb3r I've sold GTCs before when I have been really short of cash but it's a pretty expensive way to make ISK since you're only getting 175~ million for a 30 day. It'll hit you in the wallet to do it this way. I guess if money is no object tho it's the fastest way to do it. Mostly I just run missions. Well here's something to think about. Say you make about $12/hr (barely over poverty line in America) and instead of working 40 hours a week, you could work 48 hours a week. Now if you spent that 8 extra hours ratting or mission running or the "standard" ways of making ISK (not the hardcore trader/BPO types), you'd be making ~50 mil/hr. If you convert the other wage, after taxes, you're makin 120+ mil isk an hour. So, if your job is more fun that ratting and pays even minimum wage (I'd wager most people's are), you can look like a hard worker to your employer and pay for your PvP addiction!
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:05:00 - [77] Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 26/06/2008 16:05:26 Guarenteed way to make isk. Start Alt corp. Put up corp tax Recruit noobs and take alt corp to 0.0 carebear space in the north. make billions in tax's and dozens of billions in moon mining as your corpmates get "promoted" into moon managers, which is fancy term for Servent. Let them handle pos day to day while you collect the isk. Your carebear corpmates will trust you 100% and refuse to beleive you are actually a theif.
A Spy	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:07:00 - [78] It's very easy: 1. kill ship 2. loot modules 3. put modules on market 4. ??? 5. profit OR 1. go to jita 2. buy low 3. sell high OR 1. go to market discussion forum 2. start your own ipo, bank or bond 3. run away with the money OR beg for isk in jita local there are so many ways !!!
Ivan En'Vec Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:13:00 - [79] Poker. Just be decent at it and there's no limit to how much you can make.
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:21:00 - [80] Originally by: Market AltLOLOLOLO Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 26/06/2008 16:05:26 Guarenteed way to make isk. Start Alt corp. Put up corp tax Recruit noobs and take alt corp to 0.0 carebear space in the north. make billions in tax's and dozens of billions in moon mining as your corpmates get "promoted" into moon managers, which is fancy term for Servent. Let them handle pos day to day while you collect the isk. Your carebear corpmates will trust you 100% and refuse to beleive you are actually a theif. This is complete B.S. You try that junk and your alt-corp will be kicked so fast it will make your head spin. Not to mention the fact that you gotta pay to be in 0.0 as well. And there is NO WAY IN HELL you're gonna get any good Moons for 'free billions of isk.' Not as a pvp-less renter.

Gimpb	Posted - 2008.06.26 19:23:00 - [81] It's because the people flying these extremely expensive nano ships have invested all that money in being good at running away. It's expensive, but it works, and thus that big investment is rarely lost. Also, money in implants is at less risk than one's ship. Losing your pod should really only happen if you get caught by a bubble, lag, or very occasionally smart bombs. So it's not really high income, it's low expenses.
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.26 23:23:00 - [82] Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 26/06/2008 23:27:31 Originally by: Princess Jodi Originally by: Market AltLOLOLOLO Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 26/06/2008 16:05:26 Guarenteed way to make isk. Start Alt corp. Put up corp tax Recruit noobs and take alt corp to 0.0 carebear space in the north. make billions in tax's and dozens of billions in moon mining as your corpmates get "promoted" into moon managers, which is fancy term for Servent. Let them handle pos day to day while you collect the isk. Your carebear corpmates will trust you 100% and refuse to beleive you are actually a theif. This is complete B.S. You try that junk and your alt-corp will be kicked so fast it will make your head spin. Not to mention the fact that you gotta pay to be in 0.0 as well. And there is NO WAY IN HELL you're gonna get any good Moons for 'free billions of isk.' Not as a pvp-less renter. You join hydra or pure or any carebear alliance that is happy to accept mass numbers of randoms and random corps. Its so easy to have a old scammer alt unconnected to your main, and have them running corps that recruit mass numbers of slaves... SOrry, carebears to rat and do mining ops in 0.0. That its almost comedy and many scam alliances in the past have already been discovered. You guys should look up API keys for ceo/directors of corps in carebear alliances. Some of the biggist alt corps are the most trusted, but thats whats funny about it. Most might not get dyso/proth moons, but you at least get other moons that your servents can mine. Lots of neo moons for the win Power is not knowledge or ability. Power is organising other people with knowledge or ability. You think your leaders rat to get themselves motherships that they almost never use in pvp? heck no, they are scammers who relise that milking the cow is better than killing it for the beef.
Sgt Blade Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.27 00:16:00 - [83] when im not pvping, i mission run, *** RP agents and trade now and then Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5**


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