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Nyphix Amarr The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:35:00 - [61] The price hike has indeed been pretty ball-breaking, especially on those who buy GTC's with ISK. I personally have dropped from two to one accounts as a result.
trader4life BaLaNcE TeCh	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:37:00 - [62] If anyone is quitting the game cuz of this .. CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFFS ??? Ridiculous ' I can't get enough isk now to pay "FREE" for my second account ' !!!
Avra Kondaki Minmatar Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:41:00 - [63] A few months ago me and some of my corp mates tried to calculate how does CCP pays to maintain such expensive hardware, such an amazing team of developers etc. These questions continued to rise and rise after we watch that 1 hour interview, in which a person form the CCP team was explaining the hole idea behind this "Walking in stations" expansion we are waiting for. The very simple calculations show, that CCP simply can not maintain all this extremely complicated world of EVE by selling GTC's only, but this GTC trade is one of the major incomes, with which CCP can continue developing the hardware, the developer teams etc. With the total disappointment of World of Conan /wtf? the ppl payed for buggy beta version of a WoW cloning/, with all these tired from WoW players /here in Bulgaria the EVE community expands constantly and the majority of my new recruits are former WoW players/ - EVE Online stays as one of the best /by myself - the best/ virtual world. The rise of the GTC prise is something logical and we were expecting this . My only hope is that these additional income will be re-invested and will help reducing the f.... lag. Imagine 150 BoB carriers with all these millions of fighters around them - this is not a PvP, just a lagfest. If the whole idea behind this new GTC policy is really to make the world of EVE a better world - I admire it. If not - well, we gonna lose a lot of ppl in the server. And this will reduce the lag again. And will reduce the fun, also.
Zark off	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:49:00 - [64] Edited by: Zark off on 08/07/2008 11:49:36 Originally by: Mesrin's dame Originally by: Zark off 60 GTC should go for 400mil and 450mil and thats cheap I guess you have lots of RL money. Some dont! yes!! i run 4 accounts and pay for them with cash if can't afford to play sell your accounts for isk that is.
Mesrin's dame Steel Brethren	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Zark off yes!! i run 4 accounts and pay for them with cash if can't afford to play sell your accounts for isk that is. I hope you do notice there is a jerk hidden behind that post... Timing is everything, always try to be fashionably late
Zark off	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Mesrin's dame Originally by: Zark off yes!! i run 4 accounts and pay for them with cash if can't afford to play sell your accounts for isk that is. I hope you do notice there is a jerk hidden behind that post... Nice Post Get back to the subject
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 12:05:00 - [67] Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 You people are kind of rtrdd. 1.The value of the USD has dropped down. 2.The ammount of dollars you pay for gametime increased. 3. CCP is not really based in the US. Conclusion? Nothing changed. I was surprised it took this long for them to increase the prices. You americans don't like it? Blame bush, not ccp. 4. I am more than happy to pay this monthly fee to CCP as eve is a great game worth paying for. Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing.
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. was worth playing... back in 2004-2005, mate.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:26:00 - [69] Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 13:27:06 Originally by: john roe Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. was worth playing... back in 2004-2005, mate. Aslong as you're playing the game and the game isen't playing you, it is still worth it. (edit: grammar)
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:34:00 - [70] Originally by: Svekke Originally by: john roe Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. was worth playing... back in 2004-2005, mate. Aslong as you're playing the game and the game isen't playing you, it is still great. hehe... mate, too many bugs (yeah, CTRL+F11 / scanner aint closing...again, ccp, etc)bul1sh1t pos warfare, stup1d nerfs and very bad politics of ccp made me to reduce my ingame activities to npcing. to be able to pay for 7 accounts, bro. so it's basicly isk and SPs. i still delude myself that better times of eve will come once more time, but i realy doubt it. they are killing this game 1 patch/nerf at the time. but it's inevitable... everything has it's beginning, golden age and it's end. i had my blast in 2005 but it's a long time ago and not true right now. i know this game may look better than other MMORPGs (wow for example... my poof brother :] ) but still... this ship is sinking even thou many ppl still play it or the new are joining it.
Chrono Homega Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:39:00 - [71] 1 - Paying 400M isk for 60 days gametime is just stupid. Price will flat at 300-320M. Just wait to buy your GTC's 2 - I am sorry about USA players, but they deserve it. Just that. 3 - Noobs will now won't be able to buy their GTC's. Before they could buy a GTC for 130M, now they have to pay 400M.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:40:00 - [72] Originally by: john roe Originally by: Svekke Originally by: john roe Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. was worth playing... back in 2004-2005, mate. Aslong as you're playing the game and the game isen't playing you, it is still great. hehe... mate, too many bugs (yeah, CTRL+F11 / scanner aint closing...again, ccp, etc)bul1sh1t pos warfare, stup1d nerfs and very bad politics of ccp made me to reduce my ingame activities to npcing. to be able to pay for 7 accounts, bro. so it's basicly isk and SPs. i still delude myself that better times of eve will come once more time, but i realy doubt it. they are killing this game 1 patch/nerf at the time. but it's inevitable... everything has it's beginning, golden age and it's end. i had my blast in 2005 but it's a long time ago and not true right now. i know this game may look better than other MMORPGs (wow for example... my poof brother :] ) but still... this ship is sinking even thou many ppl still play it or the new are joining it. very bad politics of ccp made me to reduce my ingame activities to npcing. to be able to pay for 7 accounts.: -> Who is forcing you to pay those accounts with isk? You have 7 accounts and complain the game is not worth playing anymore. Sweet irony. This may sound rude but is intended to open your eyes: I don't think the problem is ccp but the real problem lies within yourself. Ever thought of altering your lifestyle? Or get one to start with?
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:50:00 - [73] Edited by: john roe on 08/07/2008 13:54:38 Edited by: john roe on 08/07/2008 13:51:47 hehe... these are accounts of those who left this game for 'now'. i'm only switching skills and paying in isk for them. if i would pay ccp one more penny for this game in real money i would throw myself over the bridge second later. that's for sure. whe one is tired of pos warfare, pvping and other 'stuff' he may just keep accounts running... you know, for SPs themselves. and no, i do have a job, never sold ISK for RL incomes and never will. you must be pretty fresh to this game, mate to make statemates like that :] well, have fun when/if you can and fly safe. jr edit : yeah, you are fresh to this world. no hard feelings on my side. oh, and i have extended them (accounts) till 2011 when GTCs were cheaper, so... :] what can i say. skills are still training.
Vanessa Angelbreath	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:58:00 - [74] Svekke i think you havent played that game long enough so that you can understand what the old players makes more inactive. im not playing it since 2004 tbh but im in since the beginning of 2006 and even after those few years, eve's quality has dropped seriously. those nerfs (the ECM nerf for example, or later on the NOS nerf, or the change in the dampeners whatever) always forced to other gameplay tactics that just became more stupid and involved more ships than before. but thats only one example. the problem with the chinese macros slowly making their way to 0.0 is another thing thats just a bad example of where eve has came to. and there are dozens of smaller or bigger things that could be count here. so i can agree with john in some cases: eve was worth more to be payed in the past then it is now - especially after this GTC price rise ^^
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 14:11:00 - [75] A word of wisdom: Don't assume that what you think you see really is what it looks like. Secondly, there are two kinds of people when it comes to changes: Those that complain, and those that adapt and use those changes to their benefit. And thirdly: Trying to elaborate on things that don't need elaboration or brigning up a non proven argument to overthrow one's opinion(like character age= real time playing this game), is a pure waste of time and creates a false feeling of justification for questionable actions on your side and just confirms the real meaning intended of the statements you needed clarifying yourself for.
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.08 14:21:00 - [76] i dont know about you, old player, but i was adapting for a veeery long time, bro. maybe it was 1 pos mod repping session along with other carriers and logistics too many, or maybe one bug too often, cant say exactly when but one day i just said enough and quited from alliance/pvp. anyway, it doesnt matter. you all can see what's going on and IF you have a decent perspective (2003-2005) you will definitely know in what stage this game is. oh well, was fun one day... end.of.topic.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 14:42:00 - [77] Make that end of discussion, topic is still running you know :-) Increased GTC prices is just a reaction to the economic crisis going on all over the world. I prefer paying with real life money. Earning a modest net Ç75 a day browsing forums and chatting.. and learning, yes programmers get paid to learn I find it well worth paying for eve. Why? 1 day of work = 8 hours = Ç 75 => $117,6 => 3,36 x 60 day GTC which makes 201 days or almost 7 months of gameplay. Howmany hours do you farm and trade before reaching 1 bil isk?
Hired Assasin	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:56:00 - [78] this is gay as aids me as an australian has always had to pay $20 per month now i gotta pay more. and also mine/mission run more for a GTC to help run multiple acoutns this suck ass
Jobby Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:06:00 - [79] Again, supply and demand. The macro/isk farmers will pay whatever the going rate is, so that means everyone else has to, too. All I can suggest is get macroing. The price won't matter to you then, either. Isk laundering 4t ignore
TheChadster	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:29:00 - [80] Edited by: TheChadster on 08/07/2008 16:33:41 Edited to make sure the word R.E.T.A.R.D would come through Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 You people are kind of rtrdd. 1.The value of the USD has dropped down. 2.The ammount of dollars you pay for gametime increased. 3. CCP is not really based in the US. Conclusion? Nothing changed. I was surprised it took this long for them to increase the prices. You americans don't like it? Blame bush, not ccp. 4. I am more than happy to pay this monthly fee to CCP as eve is a great game worth paying for. Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. Spoken like a true r.e.t.a.r.d! Price went up, that's life. Price went up by 33%, that is abuse of a monopoly position. And before you put your foot in it: any Euro with half a brain was paying for their game with GTCs using USD. So even for us Euros, the price went up by 33%.
Kucs Macuvue Caldari The Edge Foundation	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:46:00 - [81] Dont forget they have to print these things. There costs increased with demand as the secure transfer was instigated. They lowered those costs by having less variety. They also have shipping ect. Personally I've never seen one as I haven't found a retailer in Australia. If there not actually a Physical thing... then ignore this post lol.
Brutere Shade.	Posted - 2008.07.08 17:10:00 - [82] Originally by: Keegster i'm actually surprised nobody has replied to this so far as it will affect almost all people in the game. Percentagewise that is indeed a big hike. Sadly i can see the price of buying ingame GTC rising signigficantly too. 60 days are currently around the 280-320 mark. soon they'll be the price of current 90 day cards. If you have found 60days for that price, i would be ok with it, but i see 60days for 390-400+. I agree that the gtc chanes have sort of.... screwed the economy for GTC's.
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:25:00 - [83] Thanks to all that have contributed to the discussion. on ballance I feel I have been able to vent my frustration at the big price hike. Whilst I was willing to pay real $ for 2 or more accounts using a 90 day gtc at $39 I am not willing to fund more than 1 account at $35 for 60 days.If I cannot fund the second account from farming isk then i will simply drop it. There are some areas of this game that suck big time... for instance .... I had completed a storyline mision 10/10 rescuing the girl.... I return with a slavager only to be found by by a moron who promptly began looting the wrecks ..... an hour of hard work down the drain.......so instead of having as warm glow of satisfaction I was left feeling cheated and robbed. It has left me wondering why bother ..... if i mine and put stuff into an insecure can then they appear and rob it , if i run missions , they can appear and rob it why should I bother? I MEAN I AM IN HIGH SECTOR SPACE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE POLICED AND SAFE A PLACE TO BUILD UP RESOURCES BEFORE HEADING INTO LOW SECTOR SPACE.surely those that tip cans or steal from wrecks should be marked as thieves and dealt with by concord ? ... that leaves manufacturing and selling and hauling... safe trading.... PVP and anarchy should be kept in low sector space were it belongs !!!!
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:33:00 - [84] Originally by: TheChadster Edited by: TheChadster on 08/07/2008 16:33:41 Edited to make sure the word R.E.T.A.R.D would come through Spoken like a true r.e.t.a.r.d! Your ability to insult does not impress me at all. Originally by: TheChadster Price went up, that's life. Price went up by 33%, that is abuse of a monopoly position. What monopoly? There's alot of mmo's out there who are way more expensive. You really have no clue what the word monopoly means do you? Originally by: TheChadster And before you put your foot in it: any Euro with half a brain was paying for their game with GTCs using USD. So even for us Euros, the price went up by 33%. Actually the price for us europeans have gone cheaper over time as the dollar has gone weaker, so actually now we're paying the same ammount of money as we were when the game launched again, which is how it should be.
Aenea Araneola Creation Services Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:52:00 - [85] I have gone from 5 accounts to 2 due to the increase in price. I also personally know 4 people whom I got involved in the game 5 months ago who are now quiting the game because as newer players, they cannot afford the GTC's any more. Yes, they could just NPC and run missions to pay for the account, but who wants to to turn a game into a job where you have no choice but to play just to have the isk to buy more GTC's.....so you have the "privilege" of having to log on and play just to buy the next months round of GTC's. All in total this change by CCP has cost them 9 accounts. Is this going to break CCP, not by a long shot. However looking at the posts they are steadily losing more and more players/accounts due to the change. So far they have said nothing about this, and to be honest, I doubt they will. They do not seem to address a lot of issues customers bring to their attention unfortunately. Luckily for the gaming community there are always new and interesting games being released, so even if we quit eve all together instead of just reducing our account numbers, we will still have many hours of fun ahead of us.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:30:00 - [86] Another reason why I like this change: People with tomany accounts can't manage them anymore. This also means specialization comes back into play. Where otherwise you could just run a few accounts to do this, a few accounts to do that, you are forced to pull your resources from somebody else. Which I think is the benefit of everyone, and even in the long term noobie player will benefit from it too. Why? Since (a small percentage) mining alts, hauler alts, *** alts go out of play, the newer players actually have something to do again. People become more specialized again which enhances teamplay, communication and the game overall. Nomore joining a gang of which 4 members are actually 1 person playing all 4.
ptach	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:48:00 - [87] without any notice CCP raised the price for playing. I understand that they dont make money if everybody ingame pay gametime with isk but even the gtc sellers have to buy the codes.... Not enough money for my second account anymore or i have to play day and night, so I give up one. Guess many others will do that too. Instead of making our phantasic EvE more popular and bring new players in and finally CUT the prices CCP raised them.... Funny management double players cut prices 40% and they still win. double prices and cut players.............
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:50:00 - [88] This is just despicable, CCP. It now costs more for me to buy a 60 day with isk than it used to for me to buy a 90 day.
Chrono Homega Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:02:00 - [89] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto This is just despicable, CCP. It now costs more for me to buy a 60 day with isk than it used to for me to buy a 90 day. AMEN. CCP read this.
Zark off	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:11:00 - [90] About time i got more isk for my GTC

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