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Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:29:00 - [1] Hi , I wonder if you can help me. Having recently returned to Eve I fund my time on eve purchasing Game time codes and Purchased a 90 day GTC at $38.99 from an authorized reseller. Simply put I saw that as good value $13 a month for playing a game. So much so that I purchased a second account for my Daughter. I understand that the CCP have now changed the way time codes are purchased. That the 30 day and 90 day cards have been withdrawn and that a 60 day card replaces them at a cost of $34.99. I donÆt need the mathematical brain of Stephen Hawkins to realise that this is a price hike. For the sake of rounding up to a cent. I will refer it to $39.00 and $35 respectively. On the 90 day cards my monthly cost to the game was $13 per account. On the new 60 day cards my monthly cost to the game will be $17.50 per account. This equates to an increase of $4.50 per month or approximately a 33% rise in costs per account. In an economic climate that is putting real life demands on my wallet , I find it hard to justify continuing playing the game. At the very least I would have to discontinue the 2nd account. After investing a lot of time and effort in attracting new and old players to the game I cannot understand the logic behind a 33% price hike. I accept that the 90 day cards were discounted due to the fact that I was paying for 90 days up front. I feel your costs should have been considered more carefully. I wonder if you should have employed Stephen Hawkins to help those who lacked the foresight to anticipate reactions to a price hike via the back door. Obviously as I compose this e-mail it drips with sarcasm. But if you upset your customer base soon you will have no customers. And barbs aside for the moment and back to the subject at hand. Are the CCP likely to review the pricing to reflect a more reasonable and affordable connection Price? If I had been on the team that had decided the final cost , I would have pitched it @ $25 per 60 days and then plastered it on all the websites and forums that you had indeed reduced the playing costs for many of the players. I look forward to your response. Ian R Smith AKA Taxman û Helix. will keep you posted.
Keegster Amarr Distillery Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:51:00 - [2] i'm actually surprised nobody has replied to this so far as it will affect almost all people in the game. Percentagewise that is indeed a big hike. Sadly i can see the price of buying ingame GTC rising signigficantly too. 60 days are currently around the 280-320 mark. soon they'll be the price of current 90 day cards.
Su27frogfoot Caldari	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:57:00 - [3] All I can say is I agree with what you say.
Elyse	Posted - 2008.06.24 20:05:00 - [4] Welcome to an inflationary global economy. Prices are going up across the board, comodities, energy, and labor costs are increasing world wide. It probably costs EVE more to maintain their servers and developers than it did the last time they increased prices. Have you noticed anything else increasing in price, like food, energy, housing? $17.50 for a month's entertainment is still cheap. Try taking your girlfriend out on a date for less than that?
MelDevi	Posted - 2008.06.24 20:17:00 - [5] Keegster's right. The increased $ cost of GTCs will increase the ISK cost. I just sold 6 for 330 ea. and the latest post is 360. But did only GTCs go up? I got no notification that my monthly paid subscription went up. Mel
NaughtyCoCo	Posted - 2008.06.24 20:20:00 - [6] i have sold one character (closed account) and i will discontinue subscribing on another, will go from 4 to 2 accounts because of this gtc change. I might even drop the second too...even more isk to grind to support them.
Keegster Amarr Distillery Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.06.24 20:22:00 - [7] Originally by: NaughtyCoCo I might even drop the second too...even more isk to grind to support them. this might actually be the issue though - how many people are now playing for "free"?
Chithso Castro	Posted - 2008.06.24 20:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Keegster Originally by: NaughtyCoCo I might even drop the second too...even more isk to grind to support them. this might actually be the issue though - how many people are now playing for "free"? u talking about all the farmers?.k ccp increases the price of gtc and stops selling 30-90 day cards.we(the 3rd party that sell em on forum stop selling becose they are to expensive.its a bad thing to say but some of us will find alternative ways of suplyng our selfs with iski's aka isk farmers.so the point of increasing price to drop allt-iskfarmers and so on is for nothing becose more people will buy isk from the farmers also mabe u should rather remowe that buddy program...
Hrian d'Fat Caldari Hrian Trading	Posted - 2008.06.24 21:13:00 - [9] Edited by: Hrian d''Fat on 24/06/2008 21:13:29 Fact: 1 Euro = 1.5515 U.S. dollars You might or might not know, but the USD and EUR costs were / are the same, so someone paying through CC in eur pays 14.95 a month, while someone else paying through CC in USD pays 14.95 a month. The only difference really is, that 14.95 USD is mere 9.63 EUR. Now consider all those people paying from GTCs getting their 3 months at a price, thats almost half of what was intended. It was only a matter of time before CCP had to do something. There are just a few issues here: 1) Its a shame how they did try to PR this as a step made to make the life of someone - in our case i think it was the GTC dealers - easier, by adjusting their GTCs to some never heard standards. 2) Its ridiculous, that not only did they increase the prices, they did it twice by eliminating the 30d GTCs, esentially forcing people who pay through GTCs to buy two months even if they only want to buy one. What CCP should have done: Tell us that the current economic situation makes it necessary to increase the prices on GTCs (why werent the USD prices bumped up on CC transactions btw?). Increase the pricing of 30 and 90d GTCs accordingly. What CCP should still explain is why people paying in USD are paying only about half of what people paying in EUR pay. Are the europeans little piggy banks they can milk more or what? Im pretty damn sure, that offering the same service for different prices depending on region is not considered a nice business practice, given there is no valid explanation for the difference of course. In our case, i doubt there is any. I think this is a clear case of negative discrimination. I DEMAND THE SAME PRICES AS U.S. CUSTOMERS GET, OR AT LEAST A CORRECT BREAKDOWN OF EXTRA COSTS INVOLVED IN SELLING THEIR SERVICE TO ME.
Scraps McFadden Minmatar	Posted - 2008.06.24 21:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Keegster Originally by: NaughtyCoCo I might even drop the second too...even more isk to grind to support them. this might actually be the issue though - how many people are now playing for "free"? Actually, no one is playing for "free". CCP is getting their money for the time. I buy GTCs using isk via the secure approved method, but the person I bought it from with my isk payed CCP for the time that I am playing. I might not see the cost, but it is certainly not free. The only thing I can suggest to the european folks complaining about the difference in cost between USD and EUR is try to buy GTCs with isk from folks who payed for the game time in USD. That might put enough of a crunch on their income for them to do something about leveling the costs, but only if everyone does it...
Sophia Stormbringer Lightning Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.24 21:50:00 - [11] Looks like you people finally woke up after all. Back when I predicted that people were going to quit their game accounts, I got laughed at and my thread got bashed, because nobody believed that 60d gtcs would cost as much as 90d gtcs did. There you go CCP, thanks to all the leaving people, you won't get more money, but a lot less happy customers.
Sooss	Posted - 2008.06.24 22:03:00 - [12] As far as I can tell, even if you have all your settings set to US, the subscription system still charges you in Euros. This is of course assuming that my account hasn't been locked to Euros when I first registered as being from the UK....
Ugunidad	Posted - 2008.06.24 22:04:00 - [13] Edited by: Ugunidad on 24/06/2008 22:05:11 The prices have remained same if you use a credit card. Using one to pay for the account you will be charged the old price of $13 a month. CCP does not require one to register a credit card upon activating an account like some other games do ... but what they effectively have done is increase price of playing for those, and only for those people who do not have a cc that their billing system would accept, which they have already stated will be a minority. As for increase in ISK prices the old 90 day codes were selling for about 380-400 mil ISK a piece for a while now which corresponds to 120-133 mil ISK a month (right now they are selling at 400-450 mil since they are being discontinued). I bought several of the new 60 day codes for 300-350 mil which corresponds to 150-175 mil ISK a month. Total difference: about 35 mil ISK extra per account per month which is equivalent to running three more level 4 missions or about 2 extra hours of grind per account per month. It probably makes a big difference for someone trying to support 3+ accounts with traditional ISK grinding activities like mining and mission running that pay 10-15 mil ISK per hour. I personally have figured out ways to make 100+ mil per hour while playing EVE long time ago, so even though I own more than 3 accounts I am not considering closing any of them.
Sooss	Posted - 2008.06.24 22:18:00 - [14] If you want a cheaper way to buy the 60 day timecodes, buy them from battleclinic in Euros (22.24) which equates to ú17.57 ($34.63) or ú8.79 ($17.32) per month... ...just a thought...
DarcKry2	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:17:00 - [15] OK here is my thought which you can take that and $.50 and buy a can of coke well maybe $1.25 due to inflation. The way I see it is yes CCP has a cost of keeping their server up and yes prices are going up everywhere I agree on that. Lets look at this for a minute. The more prices raise the less people play Right? Ok now the less people play the more the company has to raise prices to be able to stay afloat. Follow me so far. Would it not help CCP's wallet out if they lowered the price so more and more people could play and thus by volume of sales decrease their overhead. If you sit back and look at the whole economy when people can't afford to play because of other commitments then who will be the one to fall due to a huge drop in customers? CCP will! Lets do this if CCP will just try to lower prices on the game play and GTC's for about 3 months then watch their amount of gamers pick up by about 25% to 30%. That is just my $.02 worth. What do you all think?
Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Sophia Stormbringer Looks like you people finally woke up after all. Back when I predicted that people were going to quit their game accounts, I got laughed at and my thread got bashed, because nobody believed that 60d gtcs would cost as much as 90d gtcs did. There you go CCP, thanks to all the leaving people, you won't get more money, but a lot less happy customers. Roget that... I have 7 active accounts. I will be going to five shortly and probably four.
Tinitras	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:32:00 - [17] Originally by: DarcKry2 OK here is my thought which you can take that and $.50 and buy a can of coke well maybe $1.25 due to inflation. The way I see it is yes CCP has a cost of keeping their server up and yes prices are going up everywhere I agree on that. Lets look at this for a minute. The more prices raise the less people play Right? Ok now the less people play the more the company has to raise prices to be able to stay afloat. Follow me so far. Would it not help CCP's wallet out if they lowered the price so more and more people could play and thus by volume of sales decrease their overhead. If you sit back and look at the whole economy when people can't afford to play because of other commitments then who will be the one to fall due to a huge drop in customers? CCP will! Lets do this if CCP will just try to lower prices on the game play and GTC's for about 3 months then watch their amount of gamers pick up by about 25% to 30%. That is just my $.02 worth. What do you all think? I think people do not play EVE for many other reasons rather than cost. I have never heard anyone state that the did not open an EVE account because it costs $15 a month, ever. I have heard people complain about it being boring, slow-paced, too confusing and difficult, too risky to be enjoyable, etc. From this follows that if CCP drops subscription fee to $10 you will NOT see an automatic 20% rise in subscription numbers. As for people owning multiple accounts, less than a quarter of players do that and most of these 22-23% or so have just 2 accounts and are not going to open 3rd if fee drops to $10 because each account requires additional play time and in my experience is generally a big hassle. CCP probably has some employees that evaluate the market and optimize profits for them. These people have calculated that CCP will make more profit by raising GTC prices to $34 and elimitating 30/90 day codes. Also note that this change does not affect majority of playerbase - subscription costs through the website if you pay with a credit card have remained the same as always, 12-15 dollars or euros a month. Yes there will be a few people closing accounts because of this change just like always, players closing their accounts because they got suicide ganked, scammed, podded with a snake set, or because they got bored with 0.0 POS warfare, and so on and so on ... but whoever optimizes profit for CCP has concluded that overall the number of accounts lost won't decrease the overall revenue.
A PECK Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:37:00 - [18] well this really sucks. I had to go to buying GTCs to play the game a couple months back. Thought I was doing pretty good was able to keep 2 accounts up with 90 day cards and 2 noobs up with 30 day cards. now looks like I wont be able to do the noob accounts. So looks like CCP will loose 2 accounts. Even thou I have to buy my GTC with Isk someone had to buy the GTC. So if I can't make anuff isk to keep all 4 going because 60 day cards are now 350 and higher what I was paying that 90 days. there is no point in the other 2 accounts. It was nice having one alt with mining leadership almost had him up to a mindlink too.
DarcKry	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:47:00 - [19] I have been in the gaming community for about 8 yrs. now and I know several people that the main reason they do not play eve is because the price. I love eve and choose to play it regardless. The others I know like eve but would rather go and buy the games like cod4 and BF2142 and Battlefront and so on because they buy the game and thats it. I did not say they would increase ammediatley but I am sure they would in a small period of time. No I do not set and try to figure the market out but, I am a gamer and I am giving this from the people I talk to and my own stand point. Still none the less the ones that have alts they have had to shut down due to price would they not be more inclined to reinstate them if the price dropped then that would be more money in the wallet. I am not saying this is the solution just a suggestion to try or atleast look at if nothing else.
Big Al Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure	Posted - 2008.06.24 23:54:00 - [20] So cancel your accounts. I don't like the change either, but CCP doesn't really care what you post, they care about the bottom line.
Puertorrican Sensation	Posted - 2008.06.25 00:23:00 - [21] bump Wow! This is insane. I feel like I have been robbed. Honestly. Plz do something about this CCP.
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.06.27 11:57:00 - [22] Well no response from them yet. I will not be renewing my second account. I was not planning to fund my accounts on Isk , and I feel deeply let down that as a Paying customer they should ignore so far.
Kaya Divine Gallente	Posted - 2008.06.27 12:10:00 - [23] CCP hoped that this will increase theirs profit. Sadly that will not happen. When gtc start to expire, and number of active accounts diminish, they will understand that. I consulted moralists to learn how to appear philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die.
Brengholl Gallente Special Operations Corp	Posted - 2008.06.27 12:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Hrian d'Fat What CCP should still explain is why people paying in USD are paying only about half of what people paying in EUR pay. Are the europeans little piggy banks they can milk more or what? Im pretty damn sure, that offering the same service for different prices depending on region is not considered a nice business practice, given there is no valid explanation for the difference of course.[/quote i remember reading about that before i registered for the game it said that europe has some kind of software tax that the rest of the world dosent have, and thus the price diference i did not personaly check if this is true or not, bit that's what ccp said is the reason ...i live in europe but my country is not in the european union, and i get charged les than 10Ç on my card depending on the exchange rates, so that could confirm the tax claim about the european union
Dim Corby Valheru Empire Science and Production Agency	Posted - 2008.06.27 13:01:00 - [25] Edited by: Dim Corby on 27/06/2008 13:13:27 Edited by: Dim Corby on 27/06/2008 13:04:32 It's not only that pricing went up because CCP made it more expensive. I can live with that... it's more frustrating that prices are rocketing due to shortness of offers. Only a week ago you where still able to buy the 'old' 90day gtc's which are now gone and since they are gone the 60d gtc price is going manic cauze on every WTS 10 people are bidding (regardless if it's sold or not) and 100 people are not even taking the time to postbid cause the gtc is gone in seconds. I actually had one that in the time where I was pushing the reply button and contacting the player ingame, the gtc was sold. There could not have been more then 10 secs inbetween. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=807793&page=1#2 This account is due to end during summerholiday if I don't find (read succeed) someone to sell me a bloody gtc beforehand! So action to be taken; bring back the choice! edit: well finally, after a week looking, I got one... 60d for 400m! I do as Barti says except cleaning his bloody Hulk
Alanaggh	Posted - 2008.06.27 15:52:00 - [26] My account went dead jus today, so I just realized new price policy. This is just crazy, can you just imagine your cinema ticket 33% more expensive ! You will insult the seller and go back to your home ! So folks i'm sure this augmentation is here to pay plane ticket for representative player and democratic joke CCP offers to us... Just pathetic !
Srioghal moDhream	Posted - 2008.06.27 16:44:00 - [27] Actually it is more like this. You go to the theatre and pay by CC and pay $15, but if you pay by cash you have to pay 17.50. Does that make any sense at all? Or another way to look at it. You go to a theatre twice and pay $15 each time you go. or you buy your 2 tickets ahead of time and pay $17.50 each. Does not make much sense to me, and I will personally consider putting a couple of accounts on long term change and just rotate them out as their training becomes complete so that I never have more than 2 active at any one time.
TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:25:00 - [28] Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ?
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.06.29 18:15:00 - [29] reply as follows Hi Ian, Thank you for your e-mail, it is always good to get feedback. For some time we have been offering codes for 30,50,90 and 100 day of game play. We have long wanted to attune our program to make it more straightforward and we therefore decided to change the denomination of codes offered. You are correct that the new 60 day code is more expensive than the 30 and 90 day code but I would like to point out that you can still pay the same price for the game as before by subscribing. A three month plan is the same price as a 90 day code. I am sorry if this has caused an inconvenience for you but we don¦t have plans to change the prices at this time. Best regards,
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.06.29 18:17:00 - [30] Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ? MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further.
Euphorida	Posted - 2008.06.29 23:27:00 - [31] Quote: Hi Ian, Thank you for your e-mail, it is always good to get feedback. For some time we have been offering codes for 30,50,90 and 100 day of game play. We have long wanted to attune our program to make it more straightforward and we therefore decided to change the denomination of codes offered. You are correct that the new 60 day code is more expensive than the 30 and 90 day code but I would like to point out that you can still pay the same price for the game as before by subscribing. A three month plan is the same price as a 90 day code. I am sorry if this has caused an inconvenience for you but we don¦t have plans to change the prices at this time. Best regards, I have just a few things that may offer a different perspective. Increasing the customer base does not always benefit a company. When the customer base increases the company must expand the means to support the incoming customers, i.e. Servers, Bandwidth, support personnel, etc. Having a subscription system in place lets CCP better gauge how long a player will be using their service and they can adjust expansion accordingly. GTC were developed to offer customers an alternative to using a credit card to buy a subscription. Now you may say "Well a GTC is the same as a subscription, wouldn't CCP be able to use that to gauge expansion like a normal subscription?" However true this is in theory, there still remain some issues. GTC started being sold for ISK, and the privilege was being abused. Is it possible that CCP does not 100% agree with the selling of GTC for ISK, they merle support it to implement better controls on it? What is to stop a Corporations or Alliances from buying several GTC to fund characters that they can use to infiltrate opposing Corporations to obtain an unfair advantage? Or what happens when a relatively new player sells GTC for large amounts of ISK then makes purchases they normally would not make because they can afford it, but in doing so drives the EVE Market up making it more difficult for his peers to obtain items. Does anyone remember the article about trading ISK for real money? While all of this is going on CCP is expanding their means to support this increased customer base, when the customer may not be there after 3 months. Also, what happens to the guy that would usually purchase a GTC but can no longer afford it because the system put it place to assist him has the prices so inflated he can no longer pay to play? I just hope this may give more insight on the Issue at hand.
snigg1945	Posted - 2008.06.29 23:34:00 - [32] The price hasn`t increased 33% - the dollar has dropped in value.. It sucks to be american gamers atm, but the dollar has dropped by about 1/3 in value since the financial markets came crashing because of the sub-prime fiasco.. I`ve been waiting for the GTC prices to go up for a long time. This was expected..
Tovok Norr	Posted - 2008.06.30 03:35:00 - [33] Edited by: Tovok Norr on 30/06/2008 03:36:45 Good move CCP, now thx to your GTC move you now only get 1 paid account instead of 3 from me. I am sure more accounts will be let go depending on what the 60 Day GTC cost settles down too. Many others will be forced into canceling accounts do mainly to this foolish change. The 30 day offered flexibility and a way for new players to step up into paying for their accounts with ISK. 150 to 200mil ISK was very doable for new players. One of the main things that attracted me to Eve was the ability to legally pay for my game play with ISK. Now you gained $3 dollars on 1 account and lost $30 from the others. In order to keep up my 3 accounts I would have had to drop near 1 bil ISK by the first of this month instead of 450 or so. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.
Jezibel Darkdeath	Posted - 2008.06.30 04:36:00 - [34] Edited by: Jezibel Darkdeath on 30/06/2008 04:44:48 Originally by: Hrian d'Fat Edited by: Hrian d''Fat on 24/06/2008 21:13:29 Fact: 1 Euro = 1.5515 U.S. dollars You might or might not know, but the USD and EUR costs were / are the same, so someone paying through CC in eur pays 14.95 a month, while someone else paying through CC in USD pays 14.95 a month. The only difference really is, that 14.95 USD is mere 9.63 EUR. Now consider all those people paying from GTCs getting their 3 months at a price, thats almost half of what was intended. It was only a matter of time before CCP had to do something. There are just a few issues here: 1) Its a shame how they did try to PR this as a step made to make the life of someone - in our case i think it was the GTC dealers - easier, by adjusting their GTCs to some never heard standards. 2) Its ridiculous, that not only did they increase the prices, they did it twice by eliminating the 30d GTCs, esentially forcing people who pay through GTCs to buy two months even if they only want to buy one. What CCP should have done: Tell us that the current economic situation makes it necessary to increase the prices on GTCs (why werent the USD prices bumped up on CC transactions btw?). Increase the pricing of 30 and 90d GTCs accordingly. What CCP should still explain is why people paying in USD are paying only about half of what people paying in EUR pay. Are the europeans little piggy banks they can milk more or what? Im pretty damn sure, that offering the same service for different prices depending on region is not considered a nice business practice, given there is no valid explanation for the difference of course. In our case, i doubt there is any. I think this is a clear case of negative discrimination. I DEMAND THE SAME PRICES AS U.S. CUSTOMERS GET, OR AT LEAST A CORRECT BREAKDOWN OF EXTRA COSTS INVOLVED IN SELLING THEIR SERVICE TO ME. FACT: CCP is an ICELANDIC company NOT a Euro company. Stop comparing the US dollar to the Euro or the Pound because it HAS NO BARING. FACT: Look up the exchange rate history between US Dollars and ISK. Since June of 2003, the US Dollar has actually GROWN STRONGER then the ISK. /end rant On another note.... There is and has been no justification for taking away the other increments of GTC's. If CCP was simply wanting to raise prices, why limit the customers flexibility of game play?
Gaius Marcantilius	Posted - 2008.06.30 05:04:00 - [35] Perhaps CCP is anticipating future losses in the dollar.. just a thought. Let's remember that CCP's secure trading system does not allow a buyer to hold and resell a timecard, so an ISK buyer can only buy game time, not real-world money. I think this makes sense from a prevention-of-fraud perspective, given the nature of timecards. Considering the exchange rate between dollars and euros, I think it's clear that US players pay far less to subscribe, and EU players pay less to buy timecards. Right? The result would probably be that US players favor subscription but European players favor buying timecards. I can't help but wonder.. is that the goal? And to what end..?
Trader Katie	Posted - 2008.06.30 05:22:00 - [36] Has anyone notice the price of gasonlie? Also have you made any complaints to the oil companies about the price? I use to pay 15 dollars for a 30 and 39 dollars for a 90 day gtc. and now i pay 35 dollars for a 60 day. when you break it down into months my price has only gone up to $2.50 more for a 30 day and $4.50 for the 90 day so if i use 1 less gallon of gasoline that would pay for the extra cost pre month. How many times have you ganked someone and they eve mail you with a complaint, I received some and enjoyed a good laugh. I am sure ccp would get a good laugh when you complain about not being able to afford buying your gtc with your isk. How many mmo's allow you to buy game time using ingame money? I remember reading a post the someone got scammed the the ceo of the corp told her to war dec his corp. Why dont you war dec ccp I am sure they would like that. For those that dont want to war dec you can talk to the hand. The only people that have a real complaint are those that are buying the gtc's with real money. The ones that complain about paying more isk for the gtc's real money is always more valuable than play money. If you honelstly belive your isk is more valuable then you should keep and the next time you go to buy gasoline see if they will take the isk for payment.
Diggety Digg	Posted - 2008.06.30 09:42:00 - [37] What i know... Euros pay tax when they subscribe. People from the US doesn't, therefore your options include either pretending to be US or buying GTC's with USD. (From Battleclinic for example) The US dollar (compared to my currency, SEK) has dropped by 20% over six months and the price for the game has increased by 33% according to the OP. That, in my case is a increase in cost of just 13%. Considering every human in the world suffer from increased prices in "luxury" goods such as gasoline, "nice" food and whatnot. I feel that is in line with the current development of our planet. As i see it, the only ones impacted "HARD" by this change is: 1. Those who barely can afford to play EvE in the first place (13 year olds that rather play than clean their room to earn their allowance) 2. Grinders who buy GTC's with what they can barely make in 60 days. (Stop grinding and start enjoying the GAME!) 3. IRL grinders, those who make less money. In my case, i am in a position between 2 and 3. I have to grind at the moment because most of my spare money goes into paying off my computer and outdoor activity. But at least i see the future, i invest in MORE accounts all the time so i can become more efficient on the ISK making part. And i wouldn't do that unless i saw the opportunity to make at the very least... 300% more isk than i need to buy GTC's. So a 13% increase in price is NOTHING and eventually things will settle down. I really hope that CCP will use their (if any) increased profits on making EvE better for all of us. This include upgrading their clusters, hiring better programmers and churning out more content for this lovely (but flawed) game. End...
TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.03 11:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Taxman helix Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ? MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further. There is nothing wrong with my maths all my quotes are based on GTC ALONE in case u didnt read my post thouroughly, yes paying for subscription is always going to be lower in any form from any company but some of us dont have that luxury and our only option is paying for GAME TIME CARDS, as my post CLEARLY STATES (GTC) and based on the GTC faction alone there is a 'MINIMAL' increase in price.
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.07.07 09:22:00 - [39] Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Originally by: Taxman helix Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ? MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further. There is nothing wrong with my maths all my quotes are based on GTC ALONE in case u didnt read my post thouroughly, yes paying for subscription is always going to be lower in any form from any company but some of us dont have that luxury and our only option is paying for GAME TIME CARDS, as my post CLEARLY STATES (GTC) and based on the GTC faction alone there is a 'MINIMAL' increase in price. ok pure and simple @ $39.00 for 90 days = 360 days @ a cost of $156 @$35.00 for 60 days = 360 days @ a cost of $210 which is an increase of $54 or as near a 33% increase. If I subscribe via direct debit I would save money on the EU price , but I would still pay more than someone paying in the us. The main issue as I see it , Is why as a European should I pay more to play the game than someone in the US The game is the same , it is delivered in the same electronic format. Why should there be a descrepency in prices. Interestingly as we are discussing this , Microsoft are facing huge fines in the UE for charging EU countries at a higher rate for the same products , than they charge in the US. I wonder how much it would efect CCP if a similar ruling was to hit them......
sh4rp ov3rvolt Hikage Corporation Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:53:00 - [40] Friendly bump. and yay! Now I can't get enough isk to afford a second account... tnx CCP
Brekk	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:02:00 - [41] Ummmm Is not the cost of the game that went up... is the cost of the time cards. You must realise that there are alot more expenses involved in selling the cards vs. getting the money directly from a credit card. Until now, it was actually cheaper to buy a 90 card vs paying monthly with a credit card. and this was changed.
praznimrak	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:09:00 - [42] Lets get clear. Noobody is playing for free.PPL who play whith gtc that thay did buy for isk r not playing for free.Cose CCP did get ther money from person that did buy GTC in store.So there is no free playing.CCp always get their money.And this is not abouth market demand and stuff.Price did go up cos of CCP.Thay did raise the price.So your answer is that.CCP wants more money.It is not abouth them having more expencis,it is about them wanting more and more. So........
Atesteria	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:29:00 - [43] The real problem isent really CCP only. Its actualy the players that are selling the GTC that are greedy. An old 90 day GTC used to cost about 370 mill for the price of 39$ So you sould be abel to get a 60 day 35$ for (370/39)35 = 332 Mill. Thats if we follow the dollar price If we check how much CCP raised the price we get (39/90) = 0.433333 (35/60) = 0.583333 (0.58333/0.433333) = 1.346 Thas a rais of about 34.6% form CCP But the players buying GTC desided to rais the price even more..... 400 mill is what i se a 60 day GTC go for (400/332) = 20.5% rais So players are also trying to get an extra 20.5% more So the final rais is really (370/90)60 = 247 mill (old GTC) CCP + players = 400/247 = 62% rais Lets not forget now ccp added 34.6% to the price while players added 20.5% creating the extrem rais in GTC prices with a wooping 62% If you compare this to the OLD 30day GTC CCP only raised the price by 16.7% but here again comes the players. Players want 250 mill for 30 days. I think it was about 150 in the old days? So the players want a (250/150)= 67% more for the old 30 day GTC (15*2) = 30$ for 60 days (35/30)= 16.7% So to finalize CCP raised the prices about 16.7-34.6% and players wanted also to rais the prices above the original by 20-70% and they did hehe.
Vanessa Angelbreath	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:48:00 - [44] Edited by: Vanessa Angelbreath on 07/07/2008 13:49:05 whatever happened and whatever ccp has to do with this or the gtc sellers have to do with this: IT HAS TO STOP! tell me a liar but i think that very very much people playing eve do not have a work or they have a work thats payed bad because they cannot work that long. i assume this because eve is a complex game that really takes time to get something done. peoples working all day long cant affort this time. so thats why they buy the cards (because they have the real money) that they sell on the forums to get their isk (that the workless people farm in eve - in one way or another). if the prices are going higher and higher it just will happen that people without work (which in my opinion will be the most because of the fact that eve just takes much time) will slowly begin to quit this game since it is almost impossible to get the iskies done and still have time to PLAY this game. so i really hope that this is just a simple high for the moment and calms down in some weeks. because otherwise ccp will loose player for sure. and after a while only those china macro farmers are left in the universe ^^ make the game affordable again! wake up ccp!
Nuquerna Dae	Posted - 2008.07.07 13:51:00 - [45] Aye, prices on things seem to go nuts lately, Steel prices went up 48% in 3 months, we pay Euro 1,60, which is almost $ 2,50 for a liter of fuel, not a gallon. Food is rediculously priced, etc.. However, most of these things came bit by bit, not in a 33% leap plus obliging players to buy GTC's for 60 days only. The other weird thing still... from Europe you get a subscription by CC and pay X dollars per month, now i use the same CC and buy GTC's in dollars and im saving money... Usually when u get a subscription on something, it gets cheaper than buying separate codes or time rentals. In short... they should have done 1 thing at a time... first increase prices... let it cool down... change codes.. I think CCP will loose lotsa 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th account holders...
ClearCopy	Posted - 2008.07.07 14:22:00 - [46] Well from my 3 Accounts down to 1 bcoz of this price increase in GTC goodluck to any 1 who has alot of toons I guess some of eve players realized GTC have increase so much in their value and also in ISK value :)
Warwick Hunt	Posted - 2008.07.07 15:20:00 - [47] Edited by: Warwick Hunt on 07/07/2008 15:21:25 I'm giving serious thought to quitting in a couple of weeks. Sure I have 93 days left and enuf ISK for another 60 days. My real problem is thinking about that inevitable brick wall I will hit in 93/153 days when I can't get another GTC 'cause demand is higher than supply. Why is demand higher than supply? Someone buying 2x 30d GTC could trade with 2 players. 1x 60d can support only 1. Those that used to trade 1x 30d per month and can't afford 60d GTC have stopped trading. I'm also thinking about the effects this will have on the game. The way I see it things will go one of two ways for players who have stopped trading GTCs. 1). They'll stop getting involved in the things that cost ISK so they don't need to raise extra from GTC. In short - no more faction war for some players. No more frontline action etc. Overall game suffers. 2). They'll opt to buy ISK off the farmers and continue playing as before. In short a niche has been made for ISK sellers to exploit. Game still suffers. As friends leave Eve will some of the fun go with them? Only time will tell.
Beldaws Gallente Me and My Alts	Posted - 2008.07.07 20:06:00 - [48] This price change will make me reduce my number of accounts from 7 down to 3. I've already deleted all my crappy alts and will be merging the characters that I want to keep alive onto my remaining accounts at the end of their current subscription. I hate having to pay CCP to move the characters but in the long run it will save me a lot of isk. I can only run 3 accounts at a time anyway.
TheChadster	Posted - 2008.07.07 20:21:00 - [49] isk sellers were complaining there chinese farmers were gettign underpaid. so ccp increased the rl value of isk. So let's all be a little bit social minded and think about the poor chinese farmers who need this price increase to buy their daily bowl of rice. Alternatively : looking forward to jumpgate evolution to put some pressure on CCP and to prevent these kind of outrageous and obviously abusive price increases.
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.07 20:31:00 - [50] Originally by: TheChadster isk sellers were complaining there chinese farmers were gettign underpaid. so ccp increased the rl value of isk. So let's all be a little bit social minded and think about the poor chinese farmers who need this price increase to buy their daily bowl of rice. Alternatively : looking forward to jumpgate evolution to put some pressure on CCP and to prevent these kind of outrageous and obviously abusive price increases. ...and since we got a legal RL money <-> ISK counter if selling/buying ISK for RL money is... illegal?
SiR3N	Posted - 2008.07.07 21:37:00 - [51] Look at the servergraph, that's some serious nose diving there. Linkage CCP just sent out 14 free days to all closed accounts so that explains the recent little blip. I'm sure they'll see that all the game killing lag is gone, all time sinking repetitive tasks have been turned into interactive challenges and the carrots on sticks have been flavored with stimulating joy juice. Yay, they're all coming back! \o/ A game time card should provide a discount for investing in future play. Stephen Hawkings would help, but he thinks this game is sofa king we tard id.
origPumu D U F F	Posted - 2008.07.07 21:59:00 - [52] [bump] OrigPumu feels sad... [/bump] What should I do, what should I say? Choose Your weapon, TIME TO PLAY!
Alyx Farstrider	Posted - 2008.07.07 22:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Taxman helix ok pure and simple @ $39.00 for 90 days = 360 days @ a cost of $156 @$35.00 for 60 days = 360 days @ a cost of $210 which is an increase of $54 or as near a 33% increase. But your euros/pounds are buying more dollars now, which is the point of the post you're replying to. For me, it's cheaper to buy a GTC in dollars than it is to subscribe in euros.
Chzandri	Posted - 2008.07.07 22:57:00 - [54] Originally by: SiR3N Look at the servergraph, that's some serious nose diving there. Linkage CCP just sent out 14 free days to all closed accounts so that explains the recent little blip. I'm sure they'll see that all the game killing lag is gone, all time sinking repetitive tasks have been turned into interactive challenges and the carrots on sticks have been flavored with stimulating joy juice. Yay, they're all coming back! \o/ A game time card should provide a discount for investing in future play. Stephen Hawkings would help, but he thinks this game is sofa king we tard id. If you watched the graph closely you'd see that the dive started way be before the GTC changes and even before the announcement of GTC changes, in April, when the wonderful spring weather hit.
Belmarduk Amarr de Prieure Four Elements	Posted - 2008.07.08 08:49:00 - [55] Yep 33% rise way ****es me off. 350 mio is the max I will pay for 60 days - thats a bloody increase anyway - Now people try to sell them for over 400 mio.... If you dont need the gtc urgently DONT buy them - lets make the greedy people drop the prices first ! CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
Sophia Stormbringer Lightning Technologies	Posted - 2008.07.08 10:56:00 - [56] It's no longer 33%, its more like 62% now and still steadily going up. I will definitely no longer be able to sustain my gametime with isk, and I really don't know if I want to invest the little money i got into my more or less idle account. The additional accounts I planning to create are basically scrapped now. Bottom line is ccp earns a lot less money through me.
xavier zomg	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:10:00 - [57] CCP is trying to reduce the isk market, that is why they increased the cost of gtc but not the other ways of payment, so ppl will buy less isk. ....and also they want more money
Mesrin's dame Steel Brethren	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:19:00 - [58] As usual GM's are no where to be heard/seen when it comes to work with the public. As this is not a 3 post topic I doubt they overlooked it. So i trully agree with most of you guys and I to have been HIT by this price increase, but I say either they "change the change" or start collecting "change" from the 1/3 of ACTIVE acc they had before. Either way its better for them, if they come to realize it Timing is everything, always try to be fashionably late
Zark off	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:20:00 - [59] 60 GTC should go for 400mil and 450mil and thats cheap
Mesrin's dame Steel Brethren	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:24:00 - [60] Originally by: Zark off 60 GTC should go for 400mil and 450mil and thats cheap I guess you have lots of RL money. Some dont! Timing is everything, always try to be fashionably late
Nyphix Amarr The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:35:00 - [61] The price hike has indeed been pretty ball-breaking, especially on those who buy GTC's with ISK. I personally have dropped from two to one accounts as a result.
trader4life BaLaNcE TeCh	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:37:00 - [62] If anyone is quitting the game cuz of this .. CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFFS ??? Ridiculous ' I can't get enough isk now to pay "FREE" for my second account ' !!!
Avra Kondaki Minmatar Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:41:00 - [63] A few months ago me and some of my corp mates tried to calculate how does CCP pays to maintain such expensive hardware, such an amazing team of developers etc. These questions continued to rise and rise after we watch that 1 hour interview, in which a person form the CCP team was explaining the hole idea behind this "Walking in stations" expansion we are waiting for. The very simple calculations show, that CCP simply can not maintain all this extremely complicated world of EVE by selling GTC's only, but this GTC trade is one of the major incomes, with which CCP can continue developing the hardware, the developer teams etc. With the total disappointment of World of Conan /wtf? the ppl payed for buggy beta version of a WoW cloning/, with all these tired from WoW players /here in Bulgaria the EVE community expands constantly and the majority of my new recruits are former WoW players/ - EVE Online stays as one of the best /by myself - the best/ virtual world. The rise of the GTC prise is something logical and we were expecting this . My only hope is that these additional income will be re-invested and will help reducing the f.... lag. Imagine 150 BoB carriers with all these millions of fighters around them - this is not a PvP, just a lagfest. If the whole idea behind this new GTC policy is really to make the world of EVE a better world - I admire it. If not - well, we gonna lose a lot of ppl in the server. And this will reduce the lag again. And will reduce the fun, also.
Zark off	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:49:00 - [64] Edited by: Zark off on 08/07/2008 11:49:36 Originally by: Mesrin's dame Originally by: Zark off 60 GTC should go for 400mil and 450mil and thats cheap I guess you have lots of RL money. Some dont! yes!! i run 4 accounts and pay for them with cash if can't afford to play sell your accounts for isk that is.
Mesrin's dame Steel Brethren	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Zark off yes!! i run 4 accounts and pay for them with cash if can't afford to play sell your accounts for isk that is. I hope you do notice there is a jerk hidden behind that post... Timing is everything, always try to be fashionably late
Zark off	Posted - 2008.07.08 11:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Mesrin's dame Originally by: Zark off yes!! i run 4 accounts and pay for them with cash if can't afford to play sell your accounts for isk that is. I hope you do notice there is a jerk hidden behind that post... Nice Post Get back to the subject
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 12:05:00 - [67] Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 You people are kind of rtrdd. 1.The value of the USD has dropped down. 2.The ammount of dollars you pay for gametime increased. 3. CCP is not really based in the US. Conclusion? Nothing changed. I was surprised it took this long for them to increase the prices. You americans don't like it? Blame bush, not ccp. 4. I am more than happy to pay this monthly fee to CCP as eve is a great game worth paying for. Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing.
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. was worth playing... back in 2004-2005, mate.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:26:00 - [69] Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 13:27:06 Originally by: john roe Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. was worth playing... back in 2004-2005, mate. Aslong as you're playing the game and the game isen't playing you, it is still worth it. (edit: grammar)
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:34:00 - [70] Originally by: Svekke Originally by: john roe Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. was worth playing... back in 2004-2005, mate. Aslong as you're playing the game and the game isen't playing you, it is still great. hehe... mate, too many bugs (yeah, CTRL+F11 / scanner aint closing...again, ccp, etc)bul1sh1t pos warfare, stup1d nerfs and very bad politics of ccp made me to reduce my ingame activities to npcing. to be able to pay for 7 accounts, bro. so it's basicly isk and SPs. i still delude myself that better times of eve will come once more time, but i realy doubt it. they are killing this game 1 patch/nerf at the time. but it's inevitable... everything has it's beginning, golden age and it's end. i had my blast in 2005 but it's a long time ago and not true right now. i know this game may look better than other MMORPGs (wow for example... my poof brother :] ) but still... this ship is sinking even thou many ppl still play it or the new are joining it.
Chrono Homega Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:39:00 - [71] 1 - Paying 400M isk for 60 days gametime is just stupid. Price will flat at 300-320M. Just wait to buy your GTC's 2 - I am sorry about USA players, but they deserve it. Just that. 3 - Noobs will now won't be able to buy their GTC's. Before they could buy a GTC for 130M, now they have to pay 400M.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:40:00 - [72] Originally by: john roe Originally by: Svekke Originally by: john roe Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. was worth playing... back in 2004-2005, mate. Aslong as you're playing the game and the game isen't playing you, it is still great. hehe... mate, too many bugs (yeah, CTRL+F11 / scanner aint closing...again, ccp, etc)bul1sh1t pos warfare, stup1d nerfs and very bad politics of ccp made me to reduce my ingame activities to npcing. to be able to pay for 7 accounts, bro. so it's basicly isk and SPs. i still delude myself that better times of eve will come once more time, but i realy doubt it. they are killing this game 1 patch/nerf at the time. but it's inevitable... everything has it's beginning, golden age and it's end. i had my blast in 2005 but it's a long time ago and not true right now. i know this game may look better than other MMORPGs (wow for example... my poof brother :] ) but still... this ship is sinking even thou many ppl still play it or the new are joining it. very bad politics of ccp made me to reduce my ingame activities to npcing. to be able to pay for 7 accounts.: -> Who is forcing you to pay those accounts with isk? You have 7 accounts and complain the game is not worth playing anymore. Sweet irony. This may sound rude but is intended to open your eyes: I don't think the problem is ccp but the real problem lies within yourself. Ever thought of altering your lifestyle? Or get one to start with?
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:50:00 - [73] Edited by: john roe on 08/07/2008 13:54:38 Edited by: john roe on 08/07/2008 13:51:47 hehe... these are accounts of those who left this game for 'now'. i'm only switching skills and paying in isk for them. if i would pay ccp one more penny for this game in real money i would throw myself over the bridge second later. that's for sure. whe one is tired of pos warfare, pvping and other 'stuff' he may just keep accounts running... you know, for SPs themselves. and no, i do have a job, never sold ISK for RL incomes and never will. you must be pretty fresh to this game, mate to make statemates like that :] well, have fun when/if you can and fly safe. jr edit : yeah, you are fresh to this world. no hard feelings on my side. oh, and i have extended them (accounts) till 2011 when GTCs were cheaper, so... :] what can i say. skills are still training.
Vanessa Angelbreath	Posted - 2008.07.08 13:58:00 - [74] Svekke i think you havent played that game long enough so that you can understand what the old players makes more inactive. im not playing it since 2004 tbh but im in since the beginning of 2006 and even after those few years, eve's quality has dropped seriously. those nerfs (the ECM nerf for example, or later on the NOS nerf, or the change in the dampeners whatever) always forced to other gameplay tactics that just became more stupid and involved more ships than before. but thats only one example. the problem with the chinese macros slowly making their way to 0.0 is another thing thats just a bad example of where eve has came to. and there are dozens of smaller or bigger things that could be count here. so i can agree with john in some cases: eve was worth more to be payed in the past then it is now - especially after this GTC price rise ^^
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 14:11:00 - [75] A word of wisdom: Don't assume that what you think you see really is what it looks like. Secondly, there are two kinds of people when it comes to changes: Those that complain, and those that adapt and use those changes to their benefit. And thirdly: Trying to elaborate on things that don't need elaboration or brigning up a non proven argument to overthrow one's opinion(like character age= real time playing this game), is a pure waste of time and creates a false feeling of justification for questionable actions on your side and just confirms the real meaning intended of the statements you needed clarifying yourself for.
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.08 14:21:00 - [76] i dont know about you, old player, but i was adapting for a veeery long time, bro. maybe it was 1 pos mod repping session along with other carriers and logistics too many, or maybe one bug too often, cant say exactly when but one day i just said enough and quited from alliance/pvp. anyway, it doesnt matter. you all can see what's going on and IF you have a decent perspective (2003-2005) you will definitely know in what stage this game is. oh well, was fun one day... end.of.topic.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.08 14:42:00 - [77] Make that end of discussion, topic is still running you know :-) Increased GTC prices is just a reaction to the economic crisis going on all over the world. I prefer paying with real life money. Earning a modest net Ç75 a day browsing forums and chatting.. and learning, yes programmers get paid to learn I find it well worth paying for eve. Why? 1 day of work = 8 hours = Ç 75 => $117,6 => 3,36 x 60 day GTC which makes 201 days or almost 7 months of gameplay. Howmany hours do you farm and trade before reaching 1 bil isk?
Hired Assasin	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:56:00 - [78] this is gay as aids me as an australian has always had to pay $20 per month now i gotta pay more. and also mine/mission run more for a GTC to help run multiple acoutns this suck ass
Jobby Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:06:00 - [79] Again, supply and demand. The macro/isk farmers will pay whatever the going rate is, so that means everyone else has to, too. All I can suggest is get macroing. The price won't matter to you then, either. Isk laundering 4t ignore
TheChadster	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:29:00 - [80] Edited by: TheChadster on 08/07/2008 16:33:41 Edited to make sure the word R.E.T.A.R.D would come through Originally by: Svekke Edited by: Svekke on 08/07/2008 12:05:35 You people are kind of rtrdd. 1.The value of the USD has dropped down. 2.The ammount of dollars you pay for gametime increased. 3. CCP is not really based in the US. Conclusion? Nothing changed. I was surprised it took this long for them to increase the prices. You americans don't like it? Blame bush, not ccp. 4. I am more than happy to pay this monthly fee to CCP as eve is a great game worth paying for. Little morale for the sake of chocolate milk: If you think it's not worth paying, you're not worth playing. Spoken like a true r.e.t.a.r.d! Price went up, that's life. Price went up by 33%, that is abuse of a monopoly position. And before you put your foot in it: any Euro with half a brain was paying for their game with GTCs using USD. So even for us Euros, the price went up by 33%.
Kucs Macuvue Caldari The Edge Foundation	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:46:00 - [81] Dont forget they have to print these things. There costs increased with demand as the secure transfer was instigated. They lowered those costs by having less variety. They also have shipping ect. Personally I've never seen one as I haven't found a retailer in Australia. If there not actually a Physical thing... then ignore this post lol.
Brutere Shade.	Posted - 2008.07.08 17:10:00 - [82] Originally by: Keegster i'm actually surprised nobody has replied to this so far as it will affect almost all people in the game. Percentagewise that is indeed a big hike. Sadly i can see the price of buying ingame GTC rising signigficantly too. 60 days are currently around the 280-320 mark. soon they'll be the price of current 90 day cards. If you have found 60days for that price, i would be ok with it, but i see 60days for 390-400+. I agree that the gtc chanes have sort of.... screwed the economy for GTC's.
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:25:00 - [83] Thanks to all that have contributed to the discussion. on ballance I feel I have been able to vent my frustration at the big price hike. Whilst I was willing to pay real $ for 2 or more accounts using a 90 day gtc at $39 I am not willing to fund more than 1 account at $35 for 60 days.If I cannot fund the second account from farming isk then i will simply drop it. There are some areas of this game that suck big time... for instance .... I had completed a storyline mision 10/10 rescuing the girl.... I return with a slavager only to be found by by a moron who promptly began looting the wrecks ..... an hour of hard work down the drain.......so instead of having as warm glow of satisfaction I was left feeling cheated and robbed. It has left me wondering why bother ..... if i mine and put stuff into an insecure can then they appear and rob it , if i run missions , they can appear and rob it why should I bother? I MEAN I AM IN HIGH SECTOR SPACE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE POLICED AND SAFE A PLACE TO BUILD UP RESOURCES BEFORE HEADING INTO LOW SECTOR SPACE.surely those that tip cans or steal from wrecks should be marked as thieves and dealt with by concord ? ... that leaves manufacturing and selling and hauling... safe trading.... PVP and anarchy should be kept in low sector space were it belongs !!!!
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:33:00 - [84] Originally by: TheChadster Edited by: TheChadster on 08/07/2008 16:33:41 Edited to make sure the word R.E.T.A.R.D would come through Spoken like a true r.e.t.a.r.d! Your ability to insult does not impress me at all. Originally by: TheChadster Price went up, that's life. Price went up by 33%, that is abuse of a monopoly position. What monopoly? There's alot of mmo's out there who are way more expensive. You really have no clue what the word monopoly means do you? Originally by: TheChadster And before you put your foot in it: any Euro with half a brain was paying for their game with GTCs using USD. So even for us Euros, the price went up by 33%. Actually the price for us europeans have gone cheaper over time as the dollar has gone weaker, so actually now we're paying the same ammount of money as we were when the game launched again, which is how it should be.
Aenea Araneola Creation Services Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:52:00 - [85] I have gone from 5 accounts to 2 due to the increase in price. I also personally know 4 people whom I got involved in the game 5 months ago who are now quiting the game because as newer players, they cannot afford the GTC's any more. Yes, they could just NPC and run missions to pay for the account, but who wants to to turn a game into a job where you have no choice but to play just to have the isk to buy more GTC's.....so you have the "privilege" of having to log on and play just to buy the next months round of GTC's. All in total this change by CCP has cost them 9 accounts. Is this going to break CCP, not by a long shot. However looking at the posts they are steadily losing more and more players/accounts due to the change. So far they have said nothing about this, and to be honest, I doubt they will. They do not seem to address a lot of issues customers bring to their attention unfortunately. Luckily for the gaming community there are always new and interesting games being released, so even if we quit eve all together instead of just reducing our account numbers, we will still have many hours of fun ahead of us.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:30:00 - [86] Another reason why I like this change: People with tomany accounts can't manage them anymore. This also means specialization comes back into play. Where otherwise you could just run a few accounts to do this, a few accounts to do that, you are forced to pull your resources from somebody else. Which I think is the benefit of everyone, and even in the long term noobie player will benefit from it too. Why? Since (a small percentage) mining alts, hauler alts, *** alts go out of play, the newer players actually have something to do again. People become more specialized again which enhances teamplay, communication and the game overall. Nomore joining a gang of which 4 members are actually 1 person playing all 4.
ptach	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:48:00 - [87] without any notice CCP raised the price for playing. I understand that they dont make money if everybody ingame pay gametime with isk but even the gtc sellers have to buy the codes.... Not enough money for my second account anymore or i have to play day and night, so I give up one. Guess many others will do that too. Instead of making our phantasic EvE more popular and bring new players in and finally CUT the prices CCP raised them.... Funny management double players cut prices 40% and they still win. double prices and cut players.............
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:50:00 - [88] This is just despicable, CCP. It now costs more for me to buy a 60 day with isk than it used to for me to buy a 90 day.
Chrono Homega Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:02:00 - [89] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto This is just despicable, CCP. It now costs more for me to buy a 60 day with isk than it used to for me to buy a 90 day. AMEN. CCP read this.
Zark off	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:11:00 - [90] About time i got more isk for my GTC
Miro S Gallente Colonizing and Terraforming of Planets Aphelion.	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:22:00 - [91] Originally by: Zark off About time i got more isk for my GTC 400mil for 60d GTC...insane
Antalor Maskari	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:28:00 - [92] Originally by: Svekke This is quite interesting tho to see real life economy influencing ingame economy. I'm pretty sure there are a few analyst bureaus investigating this at the moment :) Butone has to think about the real so called worldwide economical problems. Rich people still get rich at higher speed than before. There is no economical problem, there is only people abusing (Bush and his gangs for exemple following the Enron affair, and the destruction of the WTC7 tower - you know, the third tower to fall with a two planes rush). There is no economical crisis, but it's important that people believe in it, so one can make them pay more for everything, and earn less for more work.
Svekke Minmatar Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:49:00 - [93] Well big banks in belgium finally started to increase the interest rate on savings accounts to 4%, and a law proposition is being made to raise it to 5%. Interesting fact is that it only counts for people with a total of maximum 40.000 euros on their bank accounts. Going higher intrest drops to 2.5%. Even higher to 1.7%. SO they're actually doing something about the poor vs rich problem. Not saying they're solving it, but it's going in a good direction imo.
ptach	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:45:00 - [94] Originally by: Antalor Maskari Rich people still get rich at higher speed than before. There is no economical problem, there is only people abusing (Bush and his gangs for exemple following the Enron affair, and the destruction of the WTC7 tower - you know, the third tower to fall with a two planes rush). There is no economical crisis, but it's important that people believe in it, so one can make them pay more for everything, and earn less for more work. nothing more to add. Let the rich ppl eat their fu....g money, they dont need anybody. 196 days more in the Bush Aera, guess it will end with a BIG BANG.... Dont think that CCP is intrested in the player thoughts, they have to make money too but they have to do something in the management first
TwIsTeDSoLdIeR	Posted - 2008.07.11 12:14:00 - [95] Originally by: Taxman helix Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Originally by: Taxman helix Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ? MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further. There is nothing wrong with my maths all my quotes are based on GTC ALONE in case u didnt read my post thouroughly, yes paying for subscription is always going to be lower in any form from any company but some of us dont have that luxury and our only option is paying for GAME TIME CARDS, as my post CLEARLY STATES (GTC) and based on the GTC faction alone there is a 'MINIMAL' increase in price. ok pure and simple @ $39.00 for 90 days = 360 days @ a cost of $156 @$35.00 for 60 days = 360 days @ a cost of $210 which is an increase of $54 or as near a 33% increase. If I subscribe via direct debit I would save money on the EU price , but I would still pay more than someone paying in the us. The main issue as I see it , Is why as a European should I pay more to play the game than someone in the US The game is the same , it is delivered in the same electronic format. Why should there be a descrepency in prices. Interestingly as we are discussing this , Microsoft are facing huge fines in the UE for charging EU countries at a higher rate for the same products , than they charge in the US. I wonder how much it would efect CCP if a similar ruling was to hit them...... where do i mention 90 day gtc ? i have never bought and will not ever buy a 90 day gtc all my calculations are done by 30 and 60 day which leaves 90 day gtc out of my equation so please READ PROPERLY before quoting me and correcting me.
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:04:00 - [96] Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Originally by: Taxman helix Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Originally by: Taxman helix Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ? MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further. There is nothing wrong with my maths all my quotes are based on GTC ALONE in case u didnt read my post thouroughly, yes paying for subscription is always going to be lower in any form from any company but some of us dont have that luxury and our only option is paying for GAME TIME CARDS, as my post CLEARLY STATES (GTC) and based on the GTC faction alone there is a 'MINIMAL' increase in price. ok pure and simple @ $39.00 for 90 days = 360 days @ a cost of $156 @$35.00 for 60 days = 360 days @ a cost of $210 which is an increase of $54 or as near a 33% increase. If I subscribe via direct debit I would save money on the EU price , but I would still pay more than someone paying in the us. The main issue as I see it , Is why as a European should I pay more to play the game than someone in the US The game is the same , it is delivered in the same electronic format. Why should there be a descrepency in prices. Interestingly as we are discussing this , Microsoft are facing huge fines in the UE for charging EU countries at a higher rate for the same products , than they charge in the US. I wonder how much it would efect CCP if a similar ruling was to hit them...... where do i mention 90 day gtc ? i have never bought and will not ever buy a 90 day gtc all my calculations are done by 30 and 60 day which leaves 90 day gtc out of my equation so please READ PROPERLY before quoting me and correcting me. Yeah but you still missed the point..... the point was about 90 day time cards.... but hey obviously you missed that.....
Minnie Van	Posted - 2008.07.11 23:33:00 - [97] Edited by: Minnie Van on 11/07/2008 23:33:33 According to todays isk seller spammer I can buy 500M isk for under $20. Not that I would buy isk but if I was the type I would be able to play at half price and have a bit left over. Good job discouraging isk sellers CCP. You rock!
MadMerlin International House of PWNCakes Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.12 00:48:00 - [98] What the hell. Okay, so people are posting that they don't like the price of game time codes! THEN STOP BUYING THEM AT 400M. No one has made you buy them at that price. CCP had nothing to do with it. The price of the 60 day codes has not changed. What has, is the supply/demand. FIVE YEARS ago CCP decided to make a game and charge people $15.00 per month. Five years. In that five years, they have not changed their price. They've offered bundled options for discount in 90 day codes, etc. At some point inflation requires they increase the cost of services rendered to maintain the same level. We all hate it. Just like how the gas prices are up thru the roof, too. Everything costs more nowadays due to that, its about time CCP wised up and went with them. If its the cost of GTC's thats ****ing you off, don't buy them at that price. If they are purchased at that price, then SOMEONE wants them at that price, and the laws of economics override your whines.
Minnie Van	Posted - 2008.07.12 01:29:00 - [99] Originally by: MadMerlin THEN STOP BUYING THEM AT 400M. No one has made you buy them at that price. CCP had nothing to do with it. The price of the 60 day codes has not changed. What has, is the supply/demand blah blah various drivel CCP understands supply and demand. They knew full well that by limiting the options for gamecards they would sell less of them. They knew full well that this would mean less game cards for sale here on the forums. Thus they completely and fully realized that the market price would inflate. We are only left to logically draw that this is exactly what CCP wanted. As discussed earlier they are purposely reducing the number of active acounts and purposely allowing the isk sellers a better position. Do they plan to drive people to the isk sellers and thus plan bannings to reduce the subscriber base further? What we can only speculate on is thier goal. As far as saying the 60 day price has not changed proves your ignorance of the issue as previously there were NO 60 day cards and now there are ONLY 60 day cards. We had many choices and now we have only one. Again CCP has done this to reduce thier subcriber base. Why is the question.
Mr PoutyFace	Posted - 2008.07.12 01:36:00 - [100] Money grab, pure and simple. I stopped buying timecodes for my account because of this. Mind you, I still buy timecodes to sell for isk... if people are willing to pay 400 mil for a timecode, I am willing to sell it. Considering I was getting 170-180 mil for $15, 400 mil for $35 is a step back for both me and the other player... and CCP laughs all the way to the bank. This would be understandable if they increased rates across the board, but no, just the timecodes...
Minnie Van	Posted - 2008.07.12 01:54:00 - [101] Originally by: Mr PoutyFace Money grab, pure and simple. I stopped buying timecodes for my account because of this. Mind you, I still buy timecodes to sell for isk... if people are willing to pay 400 mil for a timecode, I am willing to sell it. Considering I was getting 170-180 mil for $15, 400 mil for $35 is a step back for both me and the other player... and CCP laughs all the way to the bank. This would be understandable if they increased rates across the board, but no, just the timecodes... I see what your saying here except the laughing to the bank. This change is causing a drop in active accounts. Less active accounts = less money. However you bring up an interesting question. If these changes only effect game cards, and many if not most game cards pay for alt accounts...Are they doing this to reduce alt accounts across the board?
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.07.12 01:58:00 - [102] I VOTE FOR CCP TO BRING BACK THE 30 AND 90 DAY GTC's. IF EVERYONE COULD, BUMP THIS DAILY SO CCP CAN SEE THE ERROR IN THEIR WAYS. Time for my sob story and how this affects me. (Bashing welcome I guess) But I promise you this is a real situation. I'm currently a student in college (community college) and I'm living at home with my parents in a major American city. I've always been lower middle class and my parents always had a hard time getting by. The main reason I never got into MMO's is because I could never pay the monthly subscription. Now that I have a job, I do make money, but I'm now paying for classes, the internet, the cable, my cell phone and my food clothing as well as helping my parents time to time. (My dad, after 52 years of living, finally got the "balls" to mortgage the house) My point is, you see, I'm stricken at the end of the month for money, and currently supporting 2 accounts cannot afford the $15 a month for each. Thats why I've gone with GTC's. In all actuality, CCP is getting my monthly subscription from someone else (as many have mentioned). But now, I'm not sure if I can throw down 800mil every 2 months instead of 3. Thats an extra 43million isk a month. I don't understand how CCP will even make the same money doing it this way, because so many will have to cancel accounts (an go back and play fps's >< ewwww) Regardless, and I hope you made it to this part, I VOTE FOR CCP TO BRING BACK THE 30 AND 90 DAY GTC's. IF EVERYONE COULD, BUMP THIS DAILY SO CCP CAN SEE THE ERROR IN THEIR WAYS. Thanks!
Brutere Shade.	Posted - 2008.07.12 03:15:00 - [103] Originally by: PhalanxPrime I VOTE FOR CCP TO BRING BACK THE 30 AND 90 DAY GTC's. IF EVERYONE COULD, BUMP THIS DAILY SO CCP CAN SEE THE ERROR IN THEIR WAYS. Time for my sob story and how this affects me. (Bashing welcome I guess) But I promise you this is a real situation. I'm currently a student in college (community college) and I'm living at home with my parents in a major American city. I've always been lower middle class and my parents always had a hard time getting by. The main reason I never got into MMO's is because I could never pay the monthly subscription. Now that I have a job, I do make money, but I'm now paying for classes, the internet, the cable, my cell phone and my food clothing as well as helping my parents time to time. (My dad, after 52 years of living, finally got the "balls" to mortgage the house) My point is, you see, I'm stricken at the end of the month for money, and currently supporting 2 accounts cannot afford the $15 a month for each. Thats why I've gone with GTC's. In all actuality, CCP is getting my monthly subscription from someone else (as many have mentioned). But now, I'm not sure if I can throw down 800mil every 2 months instead of 3. Thats an extra 43million isk a month. I don't understand how CCP will even make the same money doing it this way, because so many will have to cancel accounts (an go back and play fps's >< ewwww) Regardless, and I hope you made it to this part, I VOTE FOR CCP TO BRING BACK THE 30 AND 90 DAY GTC's. IF EVERYONE COULD, BUMP THIS DAILY SO CCP CAN SEE THE ERROR IN THEIR WAYS. Thanks! I bump because I really enjoy this game.
trader4life BaLaNcE TeCh	Posted - 2008.07.12 04:15:00 - [104] icry
Killer Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.12 07:04:00 - [105] Thanks to Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve Bank, the US dollar is plummeting in value. It's not that Eve costs anymore to play, the US dollar is just worth much less. \o/ for inflation and a fiat currency. The best solution is we abolish the FED and go back on the gold standard. Then there would be price stability, and the price to play eve would not fluctuate.
Belmarduk Amarr de Prieure Four Elements	Posted - 2008.07.12 08:23:00 - [106] Both my accounts are paid until 2009 - So I am in no hurry.I was going to buy GTC for isk at a regular time until the accounts were about 4-5 years ahead.Well... not at these prices... I implore anyone who DOESNT need a gtc urgently NOT to buy now ! The prices will go down again then ! I can understand the gtc sellers not selling 60 days cheaper eg. a third less than 90 gtc used to be because they cost only a little less - 320 to max 350 mio would be a fair price. 350 < is NOT. I myself will NOT pay more than max 350 mio per 60 Day GTC - Thats my HARDLIMIT ! 1. Aslong as gtc-sellers are greedy they can sit on the gtc until they smell funny as far as I am concerned... 2. CCP do something - This is stupid - You are definatley going to lose customers in the long run. 33% increase is bad.... CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
Gajotres Gallente 4 wing	Posted - 2008.07.12 08:39:00 - [107] Just bimping, this prices rise are redicules
Tron Sarkus Solar Requisition	Posted - 2008.07.12 09:06:00 - [108] I would very much like at least the 30 day cards back, not too fussed about the 90s.
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.07.12 18:53:00 - [109] daily bump
TheMailman GreenSwarm Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.12 21:58:00 - [110] 33%... Doesnt ccp marketing skill give you 5% increase in timecard prices per lvl... so they just trained that to lvl5 and slapped on a cpp's gtc enhancer which just gives you that 8%... damn, theyre playing their own game really good.
Keegster Amarr Distillery Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.07.12 22:27:00 - [111] This post seems to have gone a bit off topic. OP was ranting about the 33% price hike in whatever currency, and without much notice from CCP. I'm also sure CCP can constrain the isk price of GTC via the secure trading if they so desired. 400 mill for 60 days is madness. Still it doesn't take all that long to make that sort of cash, but it does hurt a bit to part with it without getting a new shiny ship/module/whatever in return
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.07.13 11:23:00 - [112] BUMP!
Lord Shamino	Posted - 2008.07.13 12:09:00 - [113] Originally by: Keegster about the 33% price hike I will cancel 4 accounts... Basicly those of Corp Members i have been paying for...
Nektos	Posted - 2008.07.13 13:36:00 - [114] I will cancel my second account too.
MaatRe	Posted - 2008.07.13 13:57:00 - [115] funny, i'v lost my main char cause i can't find a seller of 60GTC, even for 400kk moron's moove ccp
Me myself	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:11:00 - [116] I totaly agree! the prices are crazy i will close 2 of my 3 accounts. Give us 30 and 90days back
Insomnious Zero Tolerance Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:29:00 - [117] There is one point we're all missing. 33% rise, ok. Stocks of 30 and 90 day GTC been sold out. BUT. There're almost no 60day on the market! What's the purpose of introducing them if CCP's not selling them (or resellers not buying from CCP). There're 20-25 "WTB" offers for each "WTS".
Danzig256k Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:33:00 - [118] Originally by: Elyse Welcome to an inflationary global economy. Prices are going up across the board, comodities, energy, and labor costs are increasing world wide. It probably costs EVE more to maintain their servers and developers than it did the last time they increased prices. Have you noticed anything else increasing in price, like food, energy, housing? $17.50 for a month's entertainment is still cheap. Try taking your girlfriend out on a date for less than that? too bad wages aren't climbing also [url=http://profile.xfire.com/danzig256k][/url]
AmRray	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:41:00 - [119] Edited by: AmRray on 13/07/2008 14:42:05 not much to say ... just that i liked the options i had before the ... CHANGE i'll have to leave one account training a long skill while suspended ... reactivate for one month when i have some extra cash ... let it die while training a long skill and so on
Avis Blaze	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:48:00 - [120] Ok .. let me hit you with one small detail through witch CCP was taking money from us... with no real basis just masking it as alleged VAT Here it goes!! Everyone knows .. the : "EVE Subscription Fees and Payment Options The original purchase price for EVE includes thirty days of free game time. A credit card is required to establish your account. MasterCard, Visa and American Express are accepted, as well as a variety of payment options offered through PayByCashÖ. To learn more about our subscription rates and plans, read the related section in our FAQ. Current subsciption plans available: Europe Cost/month* Total cost* 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95 3-month-plan Ç 12.95 Ç 38.85 6-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 71.70 12-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 131.40 * VAT included Outside Europe [...]" Right .. so far nothing new ... we hit the Vat included link .. and we get "European Union E-commerce Directive 2002/38/EC, Regulation 792/2002 stipulates that all EU residents must pay a Value Added Tax (VAT) on electronically supplied services including online games. CCP is thus obligated to add a VAT on all payment transactions for customers living within the EU. " Still nothing new ... but now the fun starts ... when opening that "European Union E-commerce Directive 2002/38/EC" directive ... we see at the botom of the page ... BIG AND BOLD ----> No longer in force Do the math ... What is even more concerning.. is that CCP did not make any comment on this thread ... I am curious as to when will they do that. Have fun !
CrushProject Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.13 15:01:00 - [121] i still think its crazy that just a couple of months ago 90 day gtc's were just over 300m. Then they went up to 400m. Now they are gone completely and 60 day gtc's are over 400m. All this in a game that is decaying to the point of heavy stagnation makes it hard to justify...
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.13 15:21:00 - [122] I'd be more than happy to pay for my 2 accounts by bank card if CCP were a little bit more flexible insofar as the cards they accept. Credit card only is restrictive, especially if like myself you have no desire to own one. $15 a month on card plus interest to the gouging company that provides said card. If they accepted Maestro/Switch I would be a happy player. I think a 33% (roughly) hike in GTC is outrageous, more so when you factor in the limitations of time the cards now offer. I agree with many of you that the 30 day card was easy for newer players and those with multiple accounts to manage. As a result of CCP's changes I 'panic bought' several 90 day GTC and paid my accounts up until January next year... after that, I may have to reconsider my options. My main gripe with this issue is that I cannot pay for my play via my bank card so I can avoid paying interest. Come on CCP, sort summin out with regard to flexibility. Is fine for you to sit in your ivory towers dictating how and what we should pay, but give us all a little room with this. Kras. You'd be amazed how fast a cats lives run out when you have a hammer.
Blaster Pax	Posted - 2008.07.13 15:50:00 - [123] Hi, all. I started playing this game early last year, right before my wife and I had our first baby. I paid for my first time card to start playing more than a trial account, and since then was able to play through trading ISK for time cards, and was able to play multiple accounts. Real money over the past year has been for real items, such as diapers, power and phone bills, sometimes even something to eat. My 15 month old sometimes eats more than I do in a run of a day, because money is short. That's fine. Anyway, I am down to 2 accounts active now, as one expires today, since I got one 60day time card for another since they went on sale. The other 8 accounts are offline. I should be able to afford another before my active accounts run out, but at over 400 mil (if anyone is selling them), I'm not holding my breath. So, if my remaining accounts run out because I can't devote multiple hours a day making the ISK, I may not continue playing the game to get to the potential I had envisioned. And at this point, Eve doesn't have the priority it used to, even though my characters are finally getting to the point I wanted them to get to after many months of planning. It's a shame. But oh well.. thanks for reading my rant. If you want to flame me or anyone else in this thread who is having a hard time swallowing the new cost of this game, feel free to poor gasoline all over yourself and light a match. The rest of you, have a nice day.
Lorgoth Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2008.07.13 16:04:00 - [124] you got 9+ accounts? o.0
Blaster Pax	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:07:00 - [125] I have 11 in total. With the 30 day and 90 day time cards I was able to afford paying ISK for time, making new characters as my budgeting allowed. But with the price of 60 day cards now I've lost some of that ability, also I've lost quite a bit of willpower and eagerness to keep them going as well.
silver babe	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:53:00 - [126] Edited by: silver babe on 13/07/2008 18:53:35 back to the top... cause this topic is vital!
Dieter Gol	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:01:00 - [127] Come on folks, lets get a grip here. I personally think that even at $17.50 a month, EVE is a pretty good deal. The fact that CCP has a method for letting the hard core players convert in game ISK to real-world subscription cash is pretty cool in itself. Cripes - I'm new to the game (less than 4 months in) and I can already make enough ISK in a week to cover a 60day GTC, and I know damn well that you long time players out there can probably do that in a day (or less given some of the multi-billion ISK contracts I see out there). Yes, costs are going up. I manage a rackroom full of servers myself, and I've watched my electric costs go up 50% this year. Couple that with developers, the cost of a huge internet pipe, and the hope of actually making some profit, and I can see why the subscription cost of the game is rising. Gone are the days when it was one or two guys in a garage writing games - it costs big money to be able to bring this game to you, and if the price has to rise a bit for them to be able to do it in a first class manner, I'm up with it. If a cost rise of $4.50 a month per account is breaking your bank, you need to be doing something other than playing online anyway.
Blackwater Park	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:11:00 - [128] I have been playing this game off an on for the past couple years, and at some point i started playing for my two accounts just by buying GTC's with isk. I recently reactivated my account by getting someone to do the secure gtc trade thing with my inactive account, since I had left 200 mil on it last time I had played. I played for a month, and when my time ran out I went to go buy another gtc, only to find that the cheapest ones are now way more than the isk I had saved for a GTC. This unexpected increase in price has forced me to stop playing Eve. I now have an inactive account with a little under 300 mil on it, so there is basically no way I can start playing again. Good job CCP
Avis Blaze	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:00:00 - [129] C'mon CCP ... say something ... You would of been better off just announcing a rise in price .. not shoving it down our throats! And if you are at it .. please let me know how is it with applying VAT based on a European Directive that is No longer in force as clearly indicated in the link you kindly provide " VAT included " Waiting!
Finrai	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:24:00 - [130] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777667&page=18#535 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=821919&page=2#59
The Racketeer	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:54:00 - [131] well back when there was a choice and the prices were reasonable... i was able to maintain 4 0.0 industrial accounts who each have secondary specializations with a reasonable amount of in-game time. With the removal of all but 60 day GTCs and the 33% price hike the options i have are.. try and come up with 1.68 Billion ISK every 60 Days to maintain the accounts with GTCs or pay $155.96 USD and buy the GTCs myself. Unfortunately i cant do either and i am going to have to let half of the accounts go inactive and pay for only two. being that my accounts are individually specialized thats half of my game play options witch makes the game only half as fun. it looks as if.. the 33% price hike is hurting everyone with multiple accounts. In many cases needing to drop 33-50% of the accounts they own to be able to afford staying in-game. How is this going to affect those that are providing in-game and out of game services? Are we going to see a 33% or similar price hike for the cost of services?
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.07.13 23:28:00 - [132] Bump Does anyone know a way for the devs to see this? I mean like ASAP.
James Lister State Outfitters	Posted - 2008.07.13 23:30:00 - [133] Any complaints about US paying less for the same service are not really valid. The market in US for game subscriptions in US is about 15 USD per month. Some are less, a very few are a buck or two more. If EVE online attempts to charge 23 USD per month they will price themselves out of the market. While EVE is a unique game most people could make do with other entertaining titles for 2/3 the cost, especially with the collapsing economy putting price pressure on every aspect of life. I'm not sure what the motivation is with the 60 day GTC but they can afford to alienate over 1/3 of the customer base that uses GTC and still not take any losses. Perhaps they are targetting farmers and those of us who use GTC are collateral damage? Maybe less people paying more is a more efficient business model for EVE? Anyway, welcome to the new improved price plan of EVE, and don't hold your breath for it to change for the better.
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.07.13 23:40:00 - [134] Originally by: James Lister Any complaints about US paying less for the same service are not really valid. The market in US for game subscriptions in US is about 15 USD per month. Some are less, a very few are a buck or two more. If EVE online attempts to charge 23 USD per month they will price themselves out of the market. While EVE is a unique game most people could make do with other entertaining titles for 2/3 the cost, especially with the collapsing economy putting price pressure on every aspect of life. I'm not sure what the motivation is with the 60 day GTC but they can afford to alienate over 1/3 of the customer base that uses GTC and still not take any losses. Perhaps they are targetting farmers and those of us who use GTC are collateral damage? Maybe less people paying more is a more efficient business model for EVE? Anyway, welcome to the new improved price plan of EVE, and don't hold your breath for it to change for the better. I have to agree with you there, the solution would be to decrease the euro amount though, not increase the US amount. Regardless, THE REAL ISSUE IS THERE ARE NO MORE 90 DAYS! BRING EM BACK!!!
James Lister State Outfitters	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:01:00 - [135] also, why are the prices on 60d cards going up if everyone is **ed off and cancelling accounts? This would suggest that the supply is retracting faster than the demand. Are the GTC sellers **ed off too? Vote with your wallets, people. Put on a long skill and let your accounts lapse. Check out wow or aoc or something for awhile. Come back in a couple of months and see what has happened. I doubt anything will change, but if we all stand together EVE will notice. GTC sellers will not get their isk which will certainly have an effect on the in-game economy. CCP will also lose a revenue stream.
ENFEMUS F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:38:00 - [136] Originally by: Hrian d'Fat Edited by: Hrian d''Fat on 24/06/2008 21:13:29 Fact: 1 Euro = 1.5515 U.S. dollars You might or might not know, but the USD and EUR costs were / are the same, so someone paying through CC in eur pays 14.95 a month, while someone else paying through CC in USD pays 14.95 a month. The only difference really is, that 14.95 USD is mere 9.63 EUR. Now consider all those people paying from GTCs getting their 3 months at a price, thats almost half of what was intended. It was only a matter of time before CCP had to do something. There are just a few issues here: 1) Its a shame how they did try to PR this as a step made to make the life of someone - in our case i think it was the GTC dealers - easier, by adjusting their GTCs to some never heard standards. 2) Its ridiculous, that not only did they increase the prices, they did it twice by eliminating the 30d GTCs, esentially forcing people who pay through GTCs to buy two months even if they only want to buy one. What CCP should have done: Tell us that the current economic situation makes it necessary to increase the prices on GTCs (why werent the USD prices bumped up on CC transactions btw?). Increase the pricing of 30 and 90d GTCs accordingly. What CCP should still explain is why people paying in USD are paying only about half of what people paying in EUR pay. Are the europeans little piggy banks they can milk more or what? Im pretty damn sure, that offering the same service for different prices depending on region is not considered a nice business practice, given there is no valid explanation for the difference of course. In our case, i doubt there is any. I think this is a clear case of negative discrimination. I DEMAND THE SAME PRICES AS U.S. CUSTOMERS GET, OR AT LEAST A CORRECT BREAKDOWN OF EXTRA COSTS INVOLVED IN SELLING THEIR SERVICE TO ME. First off I want to say your ******ed. second lets address some of your statements here There is a difference in the euro <> USD exchange rate, this is true. This is the price of doing business in other countries its called "Global Marketing". You asses the market and economy of other countries and see if you can make a profit out of the Currency exchange rate. The US economy is current in the toilet. Its all based on the cost of living. what costs Euros 15 pounds is the same the an American spending $15 dollars. Your first couple of statements I agree with. The forcing of the 60 day at about the same price of a 90 day. My suggestion to you is to take a small international marketing class before making such claims.
James Lister State Outfitters	Posted - 2008.07.14 07:33:00 - [137] Also, 5 years ago the euro was about at parity with the dollar. 1:1 more or less. It made sense to charge the same on both sides of the pond. But honestly this topic has nothing to do with exhange rates since it has the same relative effect on both currencies.
Belmarduk Amarr de Prieure Four Elements	Posted - 2008.07.14 13:51:00 - [138] mantra IF you dont need GTC urgently aka have got the account(s) paid for a year or so in advance - DONT buy GTC now !!!!! With this stupid panic buying we are only pushing the prices up even further - the only winners are greedy GTC-Sellers... CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
Kublai Khaan Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.14 13:59:00 - [139] "greedy" isk sellers sell 60 days for ~400mil because thats what it costs in REAL LIFE MONEY,you dolts,its not measured in days of game time,try and accept that with your brains.And those same greedy people ALLOW you to buy GTCs with ISK.And can i have all the stuff of the thousands cancelled accounts in this thread? srsly,you are all quite silly.
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.14 14:15:00 - [140] Originally by: Kublai Khaan "greedy" isk sellers sell 60 days for ~400mil because thats what it costs in REAL LIFE MONEY,you dolts,its not measured in days of game time,try and accept that with your brains.And those same greedy people ALLOW you to buy GTCs with ISK.And can i have all the stuff of the thousands cancelled accounts in this thread? srsly,you are all quite silly. dream on , 60 days worth 300 mil ,and thats exactly how much it will cost very soon . Buyers , we have t power , just do not buy ,and t prices will drop , guarented.
Belmarduk Amarr de Prieure Four Elements	Posted - 2008.07.14 14:45:00 - [141] Originally by: Kublai Khaan "greedy" isk sellers sell 60 days for ~400mil because thats what it costs in REAL LIFE MONEY,you dolts,its not measured in days of game time,try and accept that with your brains.And those same greedy people ALLOW you to buy GTCs with ISK.And can i have all the stuff of the thousands cancelled accounts in this thread? srsly,you are all quite silly. It is absolutley ok that the 60 day cost more now than 1/3 less that the 90 day cost BECAUSE they cost more in RL-money. They are worth (given the worth the 90 day used to be) about 330mio to 350mio - going up to 380 mio is high price but still reasonable - 400 mio + is NOT reasonable ! I am not going against gtc-sellers on the whole ! Its a symphiosis ! Btw I could turn the view-point around - If "we" werent you would have to WORK for your isk ingame ;) If thousands WOULD quit - have fun selling your GTC ;) I will be there when (and will be) when the GTC start crashing down :) Its CCP¦s fault - not the isk-buyers OR GTC-sellers - 33% rise IS NOT OK....... CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
Avis Blaze	Posted - 2008.07.14 16:51:00 - [142] I don't think that this matter will be attended. ... pity ...
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.07.14 22:42:00 - [143] Originally by: Avis Blaze I don't think that this matter will be attended. ... pity ... BUMP and comment It's worth a shot either way. Too many people are dependent on the 90 day's, including myself, so we should put all effort to bring them back (and the 30 days of course! ) Anyways, LETS KEEP THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE ALL THE TIME, CCP HAS TO REALIZE THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM!!!!!!
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.07.15 00:30:00 - [144] Since this hasn't been bumped since my last post I'll comment... How would people feel if CCP decided to raise 90 days to 45 USD/EU if they brought it back?
rValdez5987 Amarr State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.15 00:41:00 - [145] Im going to be honest with you all here. If you cant afford the monthly cost of playing eve, you shouldn't be playing. Period.
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 00:53:00 - [146] Edited by: Ghost Goat on 15/07/2008 00:53:39 lol , its funny that you say that,seeing as you just sold a GTC . you got it backwards m8 , it's you who shouldn't play eve if you don't know how to make ISK .
UKM Thorgrim Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:02:00 - [147] i fully agree and with the current climet in the real world.. somthing has to give. Guess . what.. Bye bye eve.. and Hello free to play other online games. and no you can't have my stuff.. i'll let it rot.. as i now can't get on to Move all my stuuf and put both toons into Noob corps. for sale .. so 1 x 2005 & 1 2006 toons down . have fun all & fly safe. Honour & Steel.
Kenny Dalglish	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:05:00 - [148] Originally by: James Lister also, why are the prices on 60d cards going up if everyone is **ed off and cancelling accounts? This would suggest that the supply is retracting faster than the demand. Are the GTC sellers **ed off too? Vote with your wallets, people. Put on a long skill and let your accounts lapse. Check out wow or aoc or something for awhile. Come back in a couple of months and see what has happened. I doubt anything will change, but if we all stand together EVE will notice. GTC sellers will not get their isk which will certainly have an effect on the in-game economy. CCP will also lose a revenue stream. Again, I seriously doubt that'll make a difference. You never see the people called "sxqgpasltjz" etc posting complaining about high prices, I think their macros even include auto WTB posts for GTCs. That said, they'll continue to pay whatever price people ask. :/
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:58:00 - [149] Originally by: rValdez5987 Im going to be honest with you all here. If you cant afford the monthly cost of playing eve, you shouldn't be playing. Period. And why the Hell is that?
Fellatio Alger	Posted - 2008.07.15 03:03:00 - [150] I have been spreading your message (which is a message of reason) it has made me very unpopular with the greedy! :(
Fausto Rojas	Posted - 2008.07.15 03:31:00 - [151] As much as I hate to pay high prices for a GTC, Supply and Demand set the price. Demand seems pretty high, and supply, with the rise in cost, seems to have gone down. Prices will only go down after people start leaving EVE or suspending accounts. No way around it.
Fellatio Alger	Posted - 2008.07.15 03:39:00 - [152] This is indeed true. Did you notice when supply went down. I believe if the marketing of GTC's was left on the open market (which I can't explain because of ula restrictions) the price of cards would not have gone up as much as they did.
Salome Musashi	Posted - 2008.07.15 04:59:00 - [153] Wow, this thread probably just saved me some money. I was going to start a second account with GTCs, since my main has more ISK than I have sense, but now I'm not so sure...I suppose eventually the market will reach equilibrium, but I don't think I can pay 1bil or for 60 days, or whatever the market settles on.
Fellatio Alger	Posted - 2008.07.15 05:01:00 - [154] We are hoping it will settle. The question is will access to GTC's be made difficult to make sure the prices go up. Let's hope not.
Kirkton	Posted - 2008.07.15 05:19:00 - [155] ok i don't think CCP needed to raise the price its a load of crap let me do the math for all you mathless people, maybe i am wrong but look at this.. i see roughly 34,000 people playing everyday sometimes more, but this is a basic number.. so 34,000 people x $14.95/month=$508,300.00 x 12 months=$6,099,600/year thats a good chunk of money, and now they feel the need to make even more..i think thats plenty of cash to pay their bills and put some back for future upgrades, I say Bring back 30day and 90day GTC!!!! stop being greedy, if i am wrong here i am sure you know it alls who have something to say about everything will blast me with how you think i am wrong!!!! CCP stop being greedy or at least answer for your actions
Kirkton	Posted - 2008.07.15 05:22:00 - [156] Originally by: Krasnij Okjabre I'd be more than happy to pay for my 2 accounts by bank card if CCP were a little bit more flexible insofar as the cards they accept. Credit card only is restrictive, especially if like myself you have no desire to own one. $15 a month on card plus interest to the gouging company that provides said card. If they accepted Maestro/Switch I would be a happy player. I think a 33% (roughly) hike in GTC is outrageous, more so when you factor in the limitations of time the cards now offer. I agree with many of you that the 30 day card was easy for newer players and those with multiple accounts to manage. As a result of CCP's changes I 'panic bought' several 90 day GTC and paid my accounts up until January next year... after that, I may have to reconsider my options. My main gripe with this issue is that I cannot pay for my play via my bank card so I can avoid paying interest. Come on CCP, sort summin out with regard to flexibility. Is fine for you to sit in your ivory towers dictating how and what we should pay, but give us all a little room with this. Kras. I pay with my debit, not CC so whats the problem
Alexis Aurore	Posted - 2008.07.15 05:38:00 - [157] Edited by: Alexis Aurore on 15/07/2008 05:39:58 I assume CCP has many reasons.. first and foremost though would be 'because they can'. However if the VAT exemption is true than I dont think CCP have a single good excuse as to why they are still charging for it and could get themselves into a lot of trouble. It's the same reason they introduced the secure trading method to stop people exchanging isk for ETCs, and then selling them for cash as they were losing out. Now theyve changed the system and as a result the ETC buyers are losing out. What worries me is that a minority of ETC buyers (Probably Fellatio and his other alts) have gone on a crusade blaming the price hike entirley on the ETC resellers and their greed and trying to twist Taxmans post to sound like he's directing it at the ETC resellers. Unfortunatley (not for CCP) Someone had to lose out from these changes, and supply and demand has dictated that it was the buyers... yet some buyers have been deluded into thinking that the resellers are evil people hell bent on raising ETC prices when all theyre doing is paying the same $ for the same isk and are helping this minority artifically change the cost of GTCs so that the resellers lose out. :/
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:58:00 - [158] Originally by: Alexis Aurore Edited by: Alexis Aurore on 15/07/2008 05:39:58 I assume CCP has many reasons.. first and foremost though would be 'because they can'. However if the VAT exemption is true than I dont think CCP have a single good excuse as to why they are still charging for it and could get themselves into a lot of trouble. It's the same reason they introduced the secure trading method to stop people exchanging isk for ETCs, and then selling them for cash as they were losing out. Now theyve changed the system and as a result the ETC buyers are losing out. What worries me is that a minority of ETC buyers (Probably Fellatio and his other alts) have gone on a crusade blaming the price hike entirley on the ETC resellers and their greed and trying to twist Taxmans post to sound like he's directing it at the ETC resellers. Unfortunatley (not for CCP) Someone had to lose out from these changes, and supply and demand has dictated that it was the buyers... yet some buyers have been deluded into thinking that the resellers are evil people hell bent on raising ETC prices when all theyre doing is paying the same $ for the same isk and are helping this minority artifically change the cost of GTCs so that the resellers lose out. :/ oh how noble of you , get a grip ... well this is exactly the point , you sellers think that it is us , the buyers who need to take the bullet , for this change , well , you got that wrong ,the sellers are the one who going to take it on the long run , you guys need your ISK supply , one way or the other .
tpol20	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:04:00 - [159] bump
Superhappy Evetime	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:39:00 - [160] Edited by: Superhappy Evetime on 15/07/2008 13:41:16 Originally by: Ghost Goat Edited by: Ghost Goat on 15/07/2008 13:22:34 oh how noble of you , get a grip ... well this is exactly the point , you sellers think that it is us , the buyers who need to take the bullet , for this change , well , you got that wrong ,the sellers are the one who going to take it on the long run , you guys need your ISK supply , one way or the other . or in less nice words : We haz your ISK if you wont be good we'll keep it to ourselfs , so you see ,its really us that holding your balls and not the other way around. So put simply youre saying the sellers are evil people who are responsible for the price hike and are taking the damage for it? What makes the sellers evil and not the buyers when you have sellers trying (unsuccessfully) to ruin the market and derailing the good portion of normal WTS threads? Do you see buyers trolling WTB threads? Amazing how you justify this all in your head and think you're the good guys and are winning some 'war'. Wrong, wrong.. and wrong.
Alexis Aurore	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:47:00 - [161] Originally by: Ghost Goat Edited by: Ghost Goat on 15/07/2008 13:22:34 Originally by: Alexis Aurore Edited by: Alexis Aurore on 15/07/2008 05:39:58 I assume CCP has many reasons.. first and foremost though would be 'because they can'. However if the VAT exemption is true than I dont think CCP have a single good excuse as to why they are still charging for it and could get themselves into a lot of trouble. It's the same reason they introduced the secure trading method to stop people exchanging isk for ETCs, and then selling them for cash as they were losing out. Now theyve changed the system and as a result the ETC buyers are losing out. What worries me is that a minority of ETC buyers (Probably Fellatio and his other alts) have gone on a crusade blaming the price hike entirley on the ETC resellers and their greed and trying to twist Taxmans post to sound like he's directing it at the ETC resellers. Unfortunatley (not for CCP) Someone had to lose out from these changes, and supply and demand has dictated that it was the buyers... yet some buyers have been deluded into thinking that the resellers are evil people hell bent on raising ETC prices when all theyre doing is paying the same $ for the same isk and are helping this minority artifically change the cost of GTCs so that the resellers lose out. :/ oh how noble of you , get a grip ... well this is exactly the point , you sellers think that it is us , the buyers who need to take the bullet , for this change , well , you got that wrong ,the sellers are the one who going to take it on the long run , you guys need your ISK supply , one way or the other . or in less nice words : We haz your ISK if you wont be good we'll keep it to ourselfs , so you see ,its really us that holding your balls and not the other way around. Now the real world version in your own 'nice words': We have your gametime and if you don't stop trolling our threads with this 'teh sellerz are evil and greedy and its all their fault' war bullshit and start to pay what theyre selling for youre not going to have an active account.. You should check the prices.. you're the one who needs to get a grip.
Kublai Khaan Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:29:00 - [162] Quote: or in less nice words : We haz your ISK if you wont be good we'll keep it to ourselfs , so you see ,its really us that holding your balls and not the other way around. Wow.. you seem to be living in your own world pal :) Lets see if you will grasp the following excercise : You people stop buying GTCs with ISK,because you feel GTC sellers are greedy.So what happens? You close up your 23 accounts (the number is of no matter here), and thats it.On the other hand,someone who WANTS to play with his 23 accounts will continue to buy GTCs, which are sold with a price,dictated by the price of GTCs in real cash,since that is how GTC sellers get them.So in the end,if you dont buy em,you dont get to play,because this is (for some vague reasons for me) the only way for you to pay (or maybe the most convenient,i dont know).And you said several times value of 60 day GTCs is 300 million.. i would like to see WHAT math on earth do you use to get that. Oh and yes.. if you dont wanna buy, that is okay with GTC sellers,but is it okay with you? You have to adapt to the market,not the market to you.You dont like it? Get the f*** out then.
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:36:00 - [163] Originally by: Kublai Khaan Quote: or in less nice words : We haz your ISK if you wont be good we'll keep it to ourselfs , so you see ,its really us that holding your balls and not the other way around. Wow.. you seem to be living in your own world pal :) Lets see if you will grasp the following excercise : You people stop buying GTCs with ISK,because you feel GTC sellers are greedy.So what happens? You close up your 23 accounts (the number is of no matter here), and thats it.On the other hand,someone who WANTS to play with his 23 accounts will continue to buy GTCs, which are sold with a price,dictated by the price of GTCs in real cash,since that is how GTC sellers get them.So in the end,if you dont buy em,you dont get to play,because this is (for some vague reasons for me) the only way for you to pay (or maybe the most convenient,i dont know).And you said several times value of 60 day GTCs is 300 million.. i would like to see WHAT math on earth do you use to get that. Oh and yes.. if you dont wanna buy, that is okay with GTC sellers,but is it okay with you? You have to adapt to the market,not the market to you.You dont like it? Get the f* out then. well first of all you assume that GTC is my only option ,you are wrong . second this is not something that i decided , the GTC market was here long before this change and it will stand here long afterwards, this shift in price was unnatural ,it happend only because of the system shift , so when this transition shift will be over , prices are back to normal you like it or not , thats how it will be . you dont want to sell 60 day gtc for 300 mil 350 mil ? get t f* off you wont be getting my isk .
Kublai Khaan Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:43:00 - [164] Edited by: Kublai Khaan on 15/07/2008 14:43:37 You dont seem to be reading what im writing,just responding some automated shit.I told you I assumed it was the most convenient or MAYBE the only way for you,read that sentence again and again until you get it,mkay? Second,this change of the market happened because the REAL MONEY price of the gtcs and in the same time the DAYS have both changed in a way that some dont like (thats you).Hence the change in the market in here.More iskies for less days.There is no "OMG THAT PRICEZ IS HIGH ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY".There is no "normal",as you said it,there is the MARKET. Thing is,i dont need your isk to live on.On the other hand,people who buy GTCs with isk need the GTCs for their accounts.Plain and simple.So have fun with your "many" accounts,or is it "bye bye" because you cant fund your main account? Dibs on this guy's stuff anyway. P.S. If you have other options for paying stop WHINING like a little sissy and use them,because prices havent changed there.Oh wai---
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:06:00 - [165] like talking to a wall look m8 this is not personal ,u stated your opinion ,move on .
Kublai Khaan Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:10:00 - [166] like talking to an idiot.. i stated FACTS not opinion.. you seem to lack common sense.Too bad common sense isnt as common anymore,yeah :(
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:20:00 - [167] seller tears are tasty . cry me a river some more or learn how to make isk in game ...
Kublai Khaan Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:22:00 - [168] I already told you,i DONT need your isk to play.. i certainly can make isk ingame.. looks like you certainly cant read tho And this is not a whine.. its a response to your incessant whining.There is a slight difference,but i dont expect you to get it.
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:29:00 - [169] Edited by: Ghost Goat on 15/07/2008 15:30:26 Originally by: Kublai Khaan I already told you,i DONT need your isk to play.. i certainly can make isk ingame.. looks like you certainly cant read tho And this is not a whine.. its a response to your incessant whining.There is a slight difference,but i dont expect you to get it. i dont know you , i have no idea how much isk you have in game, but seeing as you defending the sellers side i assume you are GTC seller , and if you need to sell GTC's to fund yourself ,what does it implies ? that you cant make money in game for whatever excuse you got , so i can read all right , but seeing as you ignoring the GTC market prices history and all logical argument ,i just have to assume that you are full of BS so to believe is a different matter then reading .
Kublai Khaan Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:38:00 - [170] THAT IS WHAT IM TELLING YOU,I DONT NEED GTC SELLING TO FUND MYSELF. GET IT ? holy hell some people are DULL as the walls around me,yep. And no,i am not a regular GTC seller,but I am a mortal enemy of stupidity,and you are an obvious supporter.Read my first sentence,it proves you cannot read... oh wait,you cant read in the first place.I suppose its a closed circle huh.
Urizak Lorzar Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:44:00 - [171] Originally by: Ghost Goat if you need to sell GTC's to fund yourself ,what does it implies ? that you cant make money in game This is the epitome of ignorance. Just because people get isk via selling timecards doesn't mean they CAN'T make isk in game, mostly is means they don't have TIME to make isk in game. Think about it, if people are selling GTC (real life money for virtual money) in most cases it means they have jobs. And unfortunately, work tends to take up a lot of our time and personal time is limited, on the occasion that some of us want to play EVE, it's nice that we can acquire some in game money and enjoy fuller parts of the game without having to spend countless hours acquiring ISK and phat loot. It's a trade off, and it works both ways.
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:51:00 - [172] oh i see , you playing shot the messenger . have fun cause i really do not care well, we will see what the prices will be in a while .
Kublai Khaan Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:08:00 - [173] Look at the forum now. WTB threads for 400 everywhere, 1 for 2x450 and some for 425.. what else do you need? The fact that YOU dont like it doesnt mean someone else wont buy it,you know?
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:18:00 - [174] in my original thread i stated that it will probably take at least few weeks/months before a major change , and that i'm only trying to accelerate the process . and you will be surprised but yesterday among the sea of sellers that tried to make most of it ,there where some legit sells at good prices , like 350 mil for 60 days or 155 for 30 days .
Chop you	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:21:00 - [175] WTS 1 X 60 GTC 450mil
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:25:00 - [176] i and my alts are with you Ghost. no bloody way i'm gonna pay over 400M for 60 days of playing this sh1tty game. we will wait and see... and cancel additiona accounts if necessary. no problem.
Chop you	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:29:00 - [177] Originally by: john roe i and my alts are with you Ghost. no bloody way i'm gonna pay over 400M for 60 days of playing this sh1tty game. we will wait and see... and cancel additiona accounts if necessary. no problem. i' If it's so sh1tty bye bye i love it i'm makeing loads of isk but i do pay real cash for it :)GTC
Meroze	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:32:00 - [178] Edited by: Meroze on 15/07/2008 16:35:07 Originally by: Kublai Khaan Look at the forum now. WTB threads for 400 everywhere, 1 for 2x450 and some for 425.. what else do you need? The fact that YOU dont like it doesnt mean someone else wont buy it,you know? Take a look at who's buying these over-priced GTCs. People like, onte nkest gunts edscz sffs fs Fierce female Outstanding person Anger gentleness Angry eye You see, macro miners don't really give a **** how much they pay over the odds for GTCs. So yet again the legitimate players who play Eve as a game (and not use it as a job), are the ones who get screwed by isk-farming parasites. And yes KNOW I have no proof they are farmers, but frankly I don't care anymore CCP has sold the soul of this game to the highest bidder.
Ghost Goat	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:40:00 - [179] Originally by: john roe i and my alts are with you Ghost. no bloody way i'm gonna pay over 400M for 60 days of playing this sh1tty game. we will wait and see... and cancel additiona accounts if necessary. no problem. MUHAHA my plot to reduce server lag Successeds
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:44:00 - [180] The problem behind this is quite simple.. the American market has moved down, and it's no longer viable for europeans to dodge the higher price.. You can look at it one of two ways 1) American customers bring in $8.83 less per head or 2) Europeans customers bring in $8.83 more per head Basically, people were buying ETC's to get around that huge increase.. Europeans pay 35% more base + 17.5% tax Brits pay about 3% more on top once again as we are forced to pay in euros (even if we have USD accounts).. As it stands NOW.. even with the price change Europeans still save 25% by using ETC's.. CCP is "ofc" selling time codes cheaper to reselling sites so they are still making a loss -vs- customers who pay via CC or DD. For those who say "The euro was launched at the base rate of 1$ to 1€ I need only say that there has been 2 price changes since that time, so ccp could have adjusted the rates at either time.. They are (Like most companys do) looking for the stronger european markets to pull up the weaker american markets.
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:57:00 - [181] Originally by: Chop you Originally by: john roe i and my alts are with you Ghost. no bloody way i'm gonna pay over 400M for 60 days of playing this sh1tty game. we will wait and see... and cancel additiona accounts if necessary. no problem. i' If it's so sh1tty bye bye i love it i'm makeing loads of isk but i do pay real cash for it :)GTC i recommand you to spend those money on punctuations' lessons, mate. it seems you need them badly. cheers
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:00:00 - [182] Bump, which it needs to be
Chop you	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:13:00 - [183] Originally by: john roe Originally by: Chop you Originally by: john roe i and my alts are with you Ghost. no bloody way i'm gonna pay over 400M for 60 days of playing this sh1tty game. we will wait and see... and cancel additiona accounts if necessary. no problem. i' If it's so sh1tty bye bye i love it i'm makeing loads of isk but i do pay real cash for it :)GTC i recommand you to spend those money on punctuations' lessons, mate. it seems you need them badly. cheers I think i do did i realy write that.Oh well LOL
john roe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:27:00 - [184] Edited by: john roe on 15/07/2008 20:27:19 you one of those 'LoL-generation' kids i have been seeing lately in space? if you are... oh well.. gl to you, sir. also, a free bump ofc.
Keegster Amarr Distillery Lazy is our middle name	Posted - 2008.07.15 21:36:00 - [185] Friendly BUMP
John Bedon	Posted - 2008.07.16 00:06:00 - [186] This is insane. not only is CCP making less money due to people not buying very many GTCs, it is also removing options for players who only want to buy in short increments, not spend $40 to get some extra ISK, and make it increasing hard (and expensive) to buy GTCs for those of us that rely on them. Somebody should create one of those online petitions...
Damselina	Posted - 2008.07.16 08:33:00 - [187] You have to remember that under the new pricing structure CCP can afford to run off 33% of the GTC market with no effect on the bottom line. Unless the macro-miners are signficantly less than 2/3 of the folks that use GTC don't expect any changes to the new system. Best you can hope for is that the market will stabilize out at about the 9-10M isk to 1 USD rate like it was under the old system. If 90 day = $40 = 400M isk then you could logically expect 60 day = $35 = 350M isk assuming all other factors remain unchanged. I suspect there have indeed been changes in other variables but it would be foolish to make any sweeping conclusions this soon after a major shake-up. You can't just magically keep the price high forever, the market forces will take over. If the ISK cost goes up more people will sell and it will settle out at a higher level. If the demand is low competition will drive the sell price lower until demand increases (or sellers leave the market) and it will have a new lower equilibrium level. There is no way to corner the market because all of us are free to sell GTC for isk if we choose, and the codes cannot be hoarded and resold. Rest assured that any artificial changes will be short-lived. If it is still 450 for 60 in 2 months, you better get used to it. If you can somehow increase the demand for isk (the force behind GTC supply) then the GTC asking price should swing down. Go kill some titans or something.
F0CKER	Posted - 2008.07.16 09:23:00 - [188] Well I think that CCP just CAN'T handle more players than 40,000, due to computer power/network luck. So she would like to have 33% of the players to leave (as she has risen 33% the playing time per month) and therefore she can have the same income with less lag and quality gaming for the rest, until she will decide to upgrade her systems :P. xD
Kell Archer	Posted - 2008.07.16 09:29:00 - [189] Has already been said in this thread, its most likely isk farmers and macro miners who are keeping these game cards over-inflated. Have a look at some of the names that bulk-buy them and subsequently keep the demand high. I would love to know how many of these accounts are in this game, I bet its a significant % of the playerbase.
barkcand	Posted - 2008.07.16 10:00:00 - [190] New Game Time Code Rules Any other forms of GTC trades are no longer allowed or supported by CCP. An option for the safe and secure exchange of EVE Game Time Codes for EVE Online ISK has been added to the account management page. Through the use of this system, EVE players will be able to purchase Game Time Codes without the fear of receiving an invalid code, or offer a Game Time Code for sale with the assurance that payment will be received. What you do is log into your account management page, https://secure.eve-online.com/login.aspx. From there you go: My Account >> Account Services >> Securely Sell EVE Time Code The procedure there is straightforward, You select the character selling the code. You type in the name of the character you are selling the code to. You type in your price for the timecode. The system will automatically verify the validity of the code, then send the buyer an EVEmail with the offer. The offer is valid for 48 hours. The buyer must log into the account management page and accept the offer. The gametime will be automatically added to the buyers account and the payment will be automatically deposited to the sellers wallet. Not only will this new option improve Game Time Code transaction security, it will also severely decrease the number of petitions submitted for GTC scams, thus allowing the GM team to focus their efforts elsewhere and continue to improve the EVE gaming experience. Please Note: You must purchase an EVE Game Time Code through one of the normal outlets in order to sell the Time Code. Any other forms of GTC trades are no longer allowed or supported by CCP.
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.07.16 12:49:00 - [191] a Friendly Bump , and an observation. Monday night local chat was flooded with links to illegal isk selling Sites. CCP should investigate this growth in a blackmarket trade in Isk that they themselves have caused.... a bit like prohibition in America... you shut down peoples options and they will resort to underhand ways of subverting the rules.... People do not like the freedome of choice to be removed. Tax.
LORD DRAGUIL AWE Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.16 13:10:00 - [192] my first 60 day gtc was 280 and now they are 410 , all i can say is WoW!
Some Name	Posted - 2008.07.16 13:34:00 - [193] what the f*** ccp if u guys do magic, ill just cancel one account
Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.16 14:57:00 - [194] This whole thing would be good just for isk market. Let se now 35$ card cost over 400m(just count with 400) so for 100m isk u get 8,75$. The isk sellers selling isk for 5-6$/100m. Why would peoples not buy 400m is for 24$, buy on this a 60 day card. they still better out of the business than to buy the card for 35$ real cash. So Devs gived again a good reason for ISK farmrs to work. Noobs
Skelzor	Posted - 2008.07.16 14:59:00 - [195] Look at the players they give WTB order 440mil wtf cant u give all 350-380 the selles will be forecd to sell if the wona make isk dont give them the chance to make eazy money...
Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:03:00 - [196] Originally by: Skelzor Look at the players they give WTB order 440mil wtf cant u give all 350-380 the selles will be forecd to sell if the wona make isk dont give them the chance to make eazy money... Because: 1. They fake buyers 2. They idiots :)
Belmarduk Amarr de Prieure Four Elements	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:02:00 - [197] The whole situation is very bad atm. As far as I reckon it will go like this: Prices will keep rising The players who till now used isk to buy GTC will: a) quit or cancel accounts b) change to a different payment option Then the demand will be lower and the GTC will start to crash..and I mean crash hard... This situation is in the long run bad for BOTH buyers and sellers. Making 400-700 mio isk in 2 months JUST TO PAY the account is going to be too much for MOST buyers Whats the point in working for isk just be able to pay the account to be able to work for the isk to be able........................ Sure there are some players who are so rich that they could pay 1 milliarde for 60 days - well I am not and most others neither... Greetings Belmarduk CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
JoeAKAkopman	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:28:00 - [198] I cant afford to run my alt char for alliance standings anymore...
Damned Force Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.17 11:47:00 - [199] Originally by: Belmarduk The whole situation is very bad atm. As far as I reckon it will go like this: Prices will keep rising The players who till now used isk to buy GTC will: a) quit or cancel accounts b) change to a different payment option Then the demand will be lower and the GTC will start to crash..and I mean crash hard... This situation is in the long run bad for BOTH buyers and sellers. Making 400-700 mio isk in 2 months JUST TO PAY the account is going to be too much for MOST buyers Whats the point in working for isk just be able to pay the account to be able to work for the isk to be able........................ Sure there are some players who are so rich that they could pay 1 milliarde for 60 days - well I am not and most others neither... Greetings Belmarduk Yes, the market would crash sooner. but the thing had a good side too. I already sold 2 of my characters and would an another 1 deactivate or a while. This teached me i can play with just 1 character too :) BTW i hope lot of players quite and the lag would be not so bad. yesterday i had a foght 70 vs 70 and the warpout time was over 10 min. :( Premium content - premium cost : u dumbass devs should fix lag insteed
Lord Shamino	Posted - 2008.07.18 11:55:00 - [200]
Avis Blaze	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:18:00 - [201] Told you that they would do exactly nothing !
DiamondEdges Black Lotus Foundation Damned Pirates	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:53:00 - [202] reguardless of all this other information. Taking out the other gtc's will only loose ccp money not make it. Many people who once could afford to keep several accounts will be lcosing them and the loss of money to ccp will be great. I own too many accounts to even post here and have had to close 5 so far due to this issue. So thats 5 90 day gtc's every three months I was buying for thoes accounts that ccp will no longer be getting the money for. So you do the math couple extra dollars from one account, or much more from several accounts. This will only loose ccp a lot of money in the end.
Antonius Hari	Posted - 2008.07.25 13:24:00 - [203] Originally by: Belmarduk Prices will keep rising The players who till now used isk to buy GTC will: b) change to a different payment option Sure there are some players who are so rich that they could pay 1 milliarde for 60 days - well I am not and most others neither... Greetings Belmarduk This is me, i have had 1 year advance isk saved for GTC plus a whole lot more ontop. last year i spent 1.5 billion for the year, currently its in excess of 2.4 billion. I have gone back to paying cash, until i can get my year for 1.5 billion again maybe 1.8 if the sellers lucky, i think it is not changing, i dont really care.
Kition	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:05:00 - [204] IMO. CCP trying to decrease number of clients, because they can't resolve lagfest problem in game.
soulcrux	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:04:00 - [205] friendly bump
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Asylum	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:24:00 - [206] Ive noticed that this forum is getting very quiet, just after the split with Charactor Bizaaar A post would stay on page 1 for 30min-1hour, now the front page covers numerous hours most of the time. Im sure sellers must have noticed the decline in business and its only a matter of time till the impending crash, all the farmers will have swaped from 30 day to 60 day subs now so the next month should show a substanstial drop.
Taxman helix	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:52:00 - [207] aye its quiet... bump
Lorgoth Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2008.08.19 21:43:00 - [208] Originally by: Troper 12 boy this is old.all GTC sold for 400mil thanks you all keep up the good work :) Your character Lorgoth has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from fubbleskag for 300 000 000,00 zł ISK Transaction reference: 305862-F0A8AF9D "Your character john roe has successfully purchased 60 days EVE Time Code from JAM2 for 300 000 000,00 zł ISK Transaction reference: 304297-58623100" selling codes to your own alts cause cancer, didnt you hear about that 'overpriced' ?
Troper 12	Posted - 2008.08.19 21:45:00 - [209] If you cant afford a GTC pay by visa card :P or even better STOP PLAYING
Lorgoth Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2008.08.19 21:46:00 - [210] Originally by: Troper 12 If you cant afford a GTC pay by visa card :P or even better STOP PLAYING soon (TM) Subscription Status:Active Expires:2011-07-12 18:25:48
Mietrix Nierewelacja	Posted - 2008.08.20 06:08:00 - [211] top
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.08.26 19:26:00 - [212] bump, please bring the prices down
Karak Thebroken	Posted - 2008.08.26 19:42:00 - [213] i agree with the poster, though i must say i have a rather pessimistic attitude, unless ccp saw a drastic reduction in their player base say a loss of over 25% of their subscriptions i doubt they will do anything about it. Hey if i could sneak a salary increase by my boss of 33% and tell him he was saving money, i would do it... :P
PhalanxPrime	Posted - 2008.08.28 14:47:00 - [214] bump
CIOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.08.28 15:59:00 - [215] No wonder why i heard many guys saying they will quit the game....Is to much per month for just a game, a game with too much lagy problems , with refuses for reimbursment of the lost ships because of server issue ( 300 players in a system and the lag is awfull). And with all this they increase day by day the cost of those " entertainments" and make ppl almost imposible to pay by GTC! Ihope in the future one night i'll be drunk and i'll erase all my chars and i'll concentrate more at my real life! Best regards and think about it!
MATUSHU TAMARA	Posted - 2008.08.28 19:25:00 - [216] U are right guys, is to expensive
UMIKUS	Posted - 2008.08.28 19:29:00 - [217] +1
Red Retail Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.08.28 19:30:00 - [218] Edited by: Red Retail on 28/08/2008 19:34:43 This is why all 3 of my accounts go dark as soon at their time runs out. Ima try Warhammer. to bad really I been playing from beta off and on and this is the 1st time I ever have been ****ed at CCP. Edit: oh I also know 6 other people who left because of this. 2 went to wow...ick 1 was a MAJOR T2 producer for a major alliance. =O (this includes all there alts, one had 5 alts another 4....ouch) ------------------ Red sales around Eve
Pit Sager Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.28 19:46:00 - [219] dont you worry, mate. soon all it's gonna left will be very few rich gents and isk farmers. fine with me, ccp. keep up the 'good' work.
CIOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.08.28 19:48:00 - [220] Yes same here i have friends that are not playing and reprofiled on WOW or Connan! To bad
Termopan	Posted - 2008.08.28 21:05:00 - [221] and yet i look at this and i still dont see a ccp response ..no gm saying nothing ..giving us a reason why this happened ..still its sad ...30 day gtc's and 90 day gtc's were to cool to have ..and btw there are 16-20 year olds that play eve also ..so getting 36 dollars it isnt that easy when u dont have a job ..u go to your mom and say : mom can i have 36 dollars ..mom: what for ? u: subscribe again to eve mom : gtfo of my face NOW *trows lamp at child
Akira PL	Posted - 2008.08.28 21:13:00 - [222] stop riising up prices of gtc and posting here u wanna people to think price gtc again rise up by ccp ? stop doing this its old topic
Pit Sager Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.28 21:16:00 - [223] ...sie znasz.
Panzerkom Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.28 21:19:00 - [224] Not trying to be an @$$ or anything, since I do agree with the OP that such a big price hike is disheartening for gamers. BUT... if you are paying real money for GTC anyway, you might as well just go for the credit card subscription, where $72 gets you 6 months, which is even less than the $39 for 90 days rate that you were paying for the GTC. And you can cancel the active subscription after it's been charged once if you are worried about your card being charged without you knowing it. But hey, I do feel your pain, bro
Nambr1 Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.11.23 11:03:00 - [225] Originally by: Troper 12 If you cant afford a GTC pay by visa card :P or even better STOP PLAYING This is stupid answer only because this is not whats talking about here. 1. Do you know that a lot of ppl from lot of countries have problems to pay with card? So they cry for GTC, coz thats the only way. 2. Do you think playing with GTC is free playing? For some yes, for CCP ... no. Lets think ... Person A buys 60 days for 30$, person B buys 60 days for 30$ = 60$ Person A buys 60 days for 30$ and another 60 days for 30$. Person B farms 500mil isk and buy 2nd 60 days from person A = 60$ Its same ... 60$ for CCP, person A buys Navy Raven for that 500mil and 5 persons B kill that raven with 5 bcs. lol But in every case CCP gets money and dont care about GTC price in ISK. So, every GTC payed with ISK is payed from someone else for real money. Thats the point. But what will happen then? 1. PPl that have problems to pay with cards will not be able to pay 1 bil for 60 days. CCP loose money. 2. PPl that r ****ed with lag, nods down in fight that they r waiting 10+ days will stop playing too if thay cant farm for GTC. CCP loose money. If they dont wonna loose money, that have to do something with GTC and to make game playable :D. 90 days gtc was 250 mil ;) And because GTC is market thing, you are telling me this .... "If you cant afford a PDS that is 2 bil valued on market better STOP PLAYING" This is stupid :)
Aredhela	Posted - 2008.11.23 11:20:00 - [226] Edited by: Aredhela on 23/11/2008 11:22:43 Topic is now false. There is no 33% raise in cost of playing! Now it is 300%. A few month ago you can buy 90d for 320mil and now you can buy 30D for that. Second a few months ago you can train your characters while your account supscription expires by choosing long skill. So realy it is 300%> increase!!! Ahh also now after so many nerfs it is much much harder to make the same amount of isk.
Kivan Alon	Posted - 2008.11.23 11:57:00 - [227] Its all about suppy and demand. If there is no buyers or the players checking the price on this forum dont want to buy for 500+mil isk, the prices go down pretty fast. I was around 400mil yesterday and i missed it by few minutes.. Then there was a lot of WTB's and the prices popped up to 500-550mil again. Just make sure to buy when the prices are "cheap", thats what i do. WTB GTC for 450mil please :)

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