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Miro S
Gallente Colonizing and Terraforming of Planets Aphelion.
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zark off About time i got more isk for my GTC
400mil for 60d GTC...insane
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Antalor Maskari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Svekke This is quite interesting tho to see real life economy influencing ingame economy. I'm pretty sure there are a few analyst bureaus investigating this at the moment :)
Butone has to think about the real so called worldwide economical problems. Rich people still get rich at higher speed than before. There is no economical problem, there is only people abusing (Bush and his gangs for exemple following the Enron affair, and the destruction of the WTC7 tower - you know, the third tower to fall with a two planes rush).
There is no economical crisis, but it's important that people believe in it, so one can make them pay more for everything, and earn less for more work.
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Svekke
Minmatar Horizon.Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:49:00 -
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Well big banks in belgium finally started to increase the interest rate on savings accounts to 4%, and a law proposition is being made to raise it to 5%. Interesting fact is that it only counts for people with a total of maximum 40.000 euros on their bank accounts. Going higher intrest drops to 2.5%. Even higher to 1.7%. SO they're actually doing something about the poor vs rich problem. Not saying they're solving it, but it's going in a good direction imo.
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ptach
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Antalor Maskari Rich people still get rich at higher speed than before. There is no economical problem, there is only people abusing (Bush and his gangs for exemple following the Enron affair, and the destruction of the WTC7 tower - you know, the third tower to fall with a two planes rush).
There is no economical crisis, but it's important that people believe in it, so one can make them pay more for everything, and earn less for more work.
nothing more to add. Let the rich ppl eat their fu....g money, they dont need anybody. 196 days more in the Bush Aera, guess it will end with a BIG BANG....
Dont think that CCP is intrested in the player thoughts, they have to make money too but they have to do something in the management first
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TwIsTeDSoLdIeR
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Posted - 2008.07.11 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Taxman helix
Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR
Originally by: Taxman helix
Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ?
MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further.
There is nothing wrong with my maths all my quotes are based on GTC ALONE in case u didnt read my post thouroughly, yes paying for subscription is always going to be lower in any form from any company but some of us dont have that luxury and our only option is paying for GAME TIME CARDS, as my post CLEARLY STATES (GTC) and based on the GTC faction alone there is a 'MINIMAL' increase in price.
ok pure and simple @ $39.00 for 90 days = 360 days @ a cost of $156
@$35.00 for 60 days = 360 days @ a cost of $210
which is an increase of $54 or as near a 33% increase.
If I subscribe via direct debit I would save money on the EU price , but I would still pay more than someone paying in the us.
The main issue as I see it , Is why as a European should I pay more to play the game than someone in the US The game is the same , it is delivered in the same electronic format. Why should there be a descrepency in prices. Interestingly as we are discussing this , Microsoft are facing huge fines in the UE for charging EU countries at a higher rate for the same products , than they charge in the US. I wonder how much it would efect CCP if a similar ruling was to hit them......
where do i mention 90 day gtc ? i have never bought and will not ever buy a 90 day gtc all my calculations are done by 30 and 60 day which leaves 90 day gtc out of my equation so please READ PROPERLY before quoting me and correcting me.
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Taxman helix
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR
Originally by: Taxman helix
Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR
Originally by: Taxman helix
Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ?
MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further.
There is nothing wrong with my maths all my quotes are based on GTC ALONE in case u didnt read my post thouroughly, yes paying for subscription is always going to be lower in any form from any company but some of us dont have that luxury and our only option is paying for GAME TIME CARDS, as my post CLEARLY STATES (GTC) and based on the GTC faction alone there is a 'MINIMAL' increase in price.
ok pure and simple @ $39.00 for 90 days = 360 days @ a cost of $156
@$35.00 for 60 days = 360 days @ a cost of $210
which is an increase of $54 or as near a 33% increase.
If I subscribe via direct debit I would save money on the EU price , but I would still pay more than someone paying in the us.
The main issue as I see it , Is why as a European should I pay more to play the game than someone in the US The game is the same , it is delivered in the same electronic format. Why should there be a descrepency in prices. Interestingly as we are discussing this , Microsoft are facing huge fines in the UE for charging EU countries at a higher rate for the same products , than they charge in the US. I wonder how much it would efect CCP if a similar ruling was to hit them......
where do i mention 90 day gtc ? i have never bought and will not ever buy a 90 day gtc all my calculations are done by 30 and 60 day which leaves 90 day gtc out of my equation so please READ PROPERLY before quoting me and correcting me.
Yeah but you still missed the point..... the point was about 90 day time cards.... but hey obviously you missed that.....
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Minnie Van
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Posted - 2008.07.11 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Minnie Van on 11/07/2008 23:33:33
According to todays isk seller spammer I can buy 500M isk for under $20. Not that I would buy isk but if I was the type I would be able to play at half price and have a bit left over.
Good job discouraging isk sellers CCP. You rock!
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MadMerlin
International House of PWNCakes Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.12 00:48:00 -
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What the hell.
Okay, so people are posting that they don't like the price of game time codes!
THEN STOP BUYING THEM AT 400M. No one has made you buy them at that price. CCP had nothing to do with it. The price of the 60 day codes has not changed. What has, is the supply/demand.
FIVE YEARS ago CCP decided to make a game and charge people $15.00 per month. Five years.
In that five years, they have not changed their price. They've offered bundled options for discount in 90 day codes, etc. At some point inflation requires they increase the cost of services rendered to maintain the same level.
We all hate it. Just like how the gas prices are up thru the roof, too. Everything costs more nowadays due to that, its about time CCP wised up and went with them.
If its the cost of GTC's thats ****ing you off, don't buy them at that price. If they are purchased at that price, then SOMEONE wants them at that price, and the laws of economics override your whines.
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Minnie Van
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Posted - 2008.07.12 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: MadMerlin THEN STOP BUYING THEM AT 400M. No one has made you buy them at that price. CCP had nothing to do with it. The price of the 60 day codes has not changed. What has, is the supply/demand blah blah various drivel
CCP understands supply and demand. They knew full well that by limiting the options for gamecards they would sell less of them. They knew full well that this would mean less game cards for sale here on the forums. Thus they completely and fully realized that the market price would inflate. We are only left to logically draw that this is exactly what CCP wanted.
As discussed earlier they are purposely reducing the number of active acounts and purposely allowing the isk sellers a better position. Do they plan to drive people to the isk sellers and thus plan bannings to reduce the subscriber base further? What we can only speculate on is thier goal.
As far as saying the 60 day price has not changed proves your ignorance of the issue as previously there were NO 60 day cards and now there are ONLY 60 day cards. We had many choices and now we have only one.
Again CCP has done this to reduce thier subcriber base. Why is the question.
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Mr PoutyFace
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Posted - 2008.07.12 01:36:00 -
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Money grab, pure and simple. I stopped buying timecodes for my account because of this. Mind you, I still buy timecodes to sell for isk... if people are willing to pay 400 mil for a timecode, I am willing to sell it. Considering I was getting 170-180 mil for $15, 400 mil for $35 is a step back for both me and the other player... and CCP laughs all the way to the bank. This would be understandable if they increased rates across the board, but no, just the timecodes...
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Minnie Van
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Posted - 2008.07.12 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mr PoutyFace Money grab, pure and simple. I stopped buying timecodes for my account because of this. Mind you, I still buy timecodes to sell for isk... if people are willing to pay 400 mil for a timecode, I am willing to sell it. Considering I was getting 170-180 mil for $15, 400 mil for $35 is a step back for both me and the other player... and CCP laughs all the way to the bank. This would be understandable if they increased rates across the board, but no, just the timecodes...
I see what your saying here except the laughing to the bank. This change is causing a drop in active accounts. Less active accounts = less money. However you bring up an interesting question.
If these changes only effect game cards, and many if not most game cards pay for alt accounts...Are they doing this to reduce alt accounts across the board?
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PhalanxPrime
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Posted - 2008.07.12 01:58:00 -
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I VOTE FOR CCP TO BRING BACK THE 30 AND 90 DAY GTC's. IF EVERYONE COULD, BUMP THIS DAILY SO CCP CAN SEE THE ERROR IN THEIR WAYS.
Time for my sob story and how this affects me. (Bashing welcome I guess) But I promise you this is a real situation.
I'm currently a student in college (community college) and I'm living at home with my parents in a major American city. I've always been lower middle class and my parents always had a hard time getting by. The main reason I never got into MMO's is because I could never pay the monthly subscription. Now that I have a job, I do make money, but I'm now paying for classes, the internet, the cable, my cell phone and my food clothing as well as helping my parents time to time. (My dad, after 52 years of living, finally got the "balls" to mortgage the house) My point is, you see, I'm stricken at the end of the month for money, and currently supporting 2 accounts cannot afford the $15 a month for each. Thats why I've gone with GTC's.
In all actuality, CCP is getting my monthly subscription from someone else (as many have mentioned). But now, I'm not sure if I can throw down 800mil every 2 months instead of 3. Thats an extra 43million isk a month.
I don't understand how CCP will even make the same money doing it this way, because so many will have to cancel accounts (an go back and play fps's >< ewwww)
Regardless, and I hope you made it to this part, I VOTE FOR CCP TO BRING BACK THE 30 AND 90 DAY GTC's. IF EVERYONE COULD, BUMP THIS DAILY SO CCP CAN SEE THE ERROR IN THEIR WAYS. Thanks!
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Brutere
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.07.12 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: PhalanxPrime I VOTE FOR CCP TO BRING BACK THE 30 AND 90 DAY GTC's. IF EVERYONE COULD, BUMP THIS DAILY SO CCP CAN SEE THE ERROR IN THEIR WAYS.
Time for my sob story and how this affects me. (Bashing welcome I guess) But I promise you this is a real situation.
I'm currently a student in college (community college) and I'm living at home with my parents in a major American city. I've always been lower middle class and my parents always had a hard time getting by. The main reason I never got into MMO's is because I could never pay the monthly subscription. Now that I have a job, I do make money, but I'm now paying for classes, the internet, the cable, my cell phone and my food clothing as well as helping my parents time to time. (My dad, after 52 years of living, finally got the "balls" to mortgage the house) My point is, you see, I'm stricken at the end of the month for money, and currently supporting 2 accounts cannot afford the $15 a month for each. Thats why I've gone with GTC's.
In all actuality, CCP is getting my monthly subscription from someone else (as many have mentioned). But now, I'm not sure if I can throw down 800mil every 2 months instead of 3. Thats an extra 43million isk a month.
I don't understand how CCP will even make the same money doing it this way, because so many will have to cancel accounts (an go back and play fps's >< ewwww)
Regardless, and I hope you made it to this part, I VOTE FOR CCP TO BRING BACK THE 30 AND 90 DAY GTC's. IF EVERYONE COULD, BUMP THIS DAILY SO CCP CAN SEE THE ERROR IN THEIR WAYS. Thanks!
I bump because I really enjoy this game.
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trader4life
BaLaNcE TeCh
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Posted - 2008.07.12 04:15:00 -
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icry
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Killer Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.12 07:04:00 -
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Thanks to Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve Bank, the US dollar is plummeting in value.
It's not that Eve costs anymore to play, the US dollar is just worth much less.
\o/ for inflation and a fiat currency.
The best solution is we abolish the FED and go back on the gold standard. Then there would be price stability, and the price to play eve would not fluctuate.
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Belmarduk
Amarr de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.07.12 08:23:00 -
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Both my accounts are paid until 2009 - So I am in no hurry.I was going to buy GTC for isk at a regular time until the accounts were about 4-5 years ahead.Well... not at these prices...
I implore anyone who DOESNT need a gtc urgently NOT to buy now ! The prices will go down again then !
I can understand the gtc sellers not selling 60 days cheaper eg. a third less than 90 gtc used to be because they cost only a little less - 320 to max 350 mio would be a fair price. 350 < is NOT.
I myself will NOT pay more than max 350 mio per 60 Day GTC - Thats my HARDLIMIT !
1. Aslong as gtc-sellers are greedy they can sit on the gtc until they smell funny as far as I am concerned... 2. CCP do something - This is stupid - You are definatley going to lose customers in the long run. 33% increase is bad....
CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Gajotres
Gallente 4 wing
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Posted - 2008.07.12 08:39:00 -
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Just bimping, this prices rise are redicules
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Tron Sarkus
Solar Requisition
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Posted - 2008.07.12 09:06:00 -
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I would very much like at least the 30 day cards back, not too fussed about the 90s.
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PhalanxPrime
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Posted - 2008.07.12 18:53:00 -
[109]
daily bump
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TheMailman
GreenSwarm Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.12 21:58:00 -
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33%...
Doesnt ccp marketing skill give you 5% increase in timecard prices per lvl... so they just trained that to lvl5 and slapped on a cpp's gtc enhancer which just gives you that 8%...
damn, theyre playing their own game really good. |
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Keegster
Amarr Distillery Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.07.12 22:27:00 -
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This post seems to have gone a bit off topic.
OP was ranting about the 33% price hike in whatever currency, and without much notice from CCP.
I'm also sure CCP can constrain the isk price of GTC via the secure trading if they so desired. 400 mill for 60 days is madness.
Still it doesn't take all that long to make that sort of cash, but it does hurt a bit to part with it without getting a new shiny ship/module/whatever in return
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Taxman helix
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Posted - 2008.07.13 11:23:00 -
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BUMP!
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Lord Shamino
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Posted - 2008.07.13 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Keegster about the 33% price hike
I will cancel 4 accounts... Basicly those of Corp Members i have been paying for...
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Nektos
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Posted - 2008.07.13 13:36:00 -
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I will cancel my second account too.
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MaatRe
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Posted - 2008.07.13 13:57:00 -
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funny, i'v lost my main char cause i can't find a seller of 60GTC, even for 400kk moron's moove ccp
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Me myself
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Posted - 2008.07.13 14:11:00 -
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I totaly agree! the prices are crazy i will close 2 of my 3 accounts.
Give us 30 and 90days back
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Insomnious
Zero Tolerance Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.13 14:29:00 -
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There is one point we're all missing. 33% rise, ok. Stocks of 30 and 90 day GTC been sold out. BUT. There're almost no 60day on the market! What's the purpose of introducing them if CCP's not selling them (or resellers not buying from CCP). There're 20-25 "WTB" offers for each "WTS".
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Danzig256k
Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.13 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Elyse Welcome to an inflationary global economy. Prices are going up across the board, comodities, energy, and labor costs are increasing world wide. It probably costs EVE more to maintain their servers and developers than it did the last time they increased prices. Have you noticed anything else increasing in price, like food, energy, housing? $17.50 for a month's entertainment is still cheap. Try taking your girlfriend out on a date for less than that?
too bad wages aren't climbing also [url=http://profile.xfire.com/danzig256k][/url] |
AmRray
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Posted - 2008.07.13 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: AmRray on 13/07/2008 14:42:05 not much to say ... just that i liked the options i had before the ... CHANGE i'll have to leave one account training a long skill while suspended ... reactivate for one month when i have some extra cash ... let it die while training a long skill and so on
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Avis Blaze
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Posted - 2008.07.13 14:48:00 -
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Ok .. let me hit you with one small detail through witch CCP was taking money from us... with no real basis just masking it as alleged VAT
Here it goes!! Everyone knows .. the : "EVE Subscription Fees and Payment Options
The original purchase price for EVE includes thirty days of free game time. A credit card is required to establish your account. MasterCard, Visa and American Express are accepted, as well as a variety of payment options offered through PayByCashÖ. To learn more about our subscription rates and plans, read the related section in our FAQ.
Current subsciption plans available:
Europe Cost/month* Total cost* 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95 3-month-plan Ç 12.95 Ç 38.85 6-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 71.70 12-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 131.40 * VAT included
Outside Europe [...]"
Right .. so far nothing new ...
we hit the Vat included link .. and we get "European Union E-commerce Directive 2002/38/EC, Regulation 792/2002 stipulates that all EU residents must pay a Value Added Tax (VAT) on electronically supplied services including online games. CCP is thus obligated to add a VAT on all payment transactions for customers living within the EU. "
Still nothing new ... but now the fun starts ... when opening that "European Union E-commerce Directive 2002/38/EC" directive ... we see at the botom of the page ...
BIG AND BOLD ----> No longer in force Do the math ...
What is even more concerning.. is that CCP did not make any comment on this thread ... I am curious as to when will they do that.
Have fun !
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