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doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.25 03:31:00 - [1] Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 25/06/2008 03:32:09 So I was fitting up a dominix today, in my typical fashion with 2x LAR II and 2x Aux Nano 1x Nano Accel rigs, undocked, hit overload and showed info on my reps. Something was wrong. With the two aux nanos, each rep cranks out 1039.93855735 HP/cycle without being overloaded. Overload bonus is listed as 10%. So all logic dictates that 1039.93855735 x 1.10 = 1143.932413085, right? Rep on the left is not overloaded, rep on the right is. Both are attached to the same ship at the same time. The overload bonus is 57% what it should be, i.e. penalized to the same percentage as the third module (100% -> 87% -> 57% -> 28%). As it is, with the stacking penalty on the rigs themselves, an XL Booster II with boost amp II, backed with 1 x operational solidifier and 2x cap sa***uards, is already more effecient in terms of HP/sec, cap/sec, and HP/cap than 2x LAR II with 3x Aux Nano. What possible balancing reason could there be for this? And I damn sure didn't see anything about this in the patch notes, and distinctly recall it not being penalized previously (EFT 2.5.2 agrees with my recolection) Someone please tell me I'm imagining this. Abusive \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
Zap powie The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.25 03:37:00 - [2] your imagining this
JDTaylor Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.06.25 03:44:00 - [3] @#$%^ I just trained it to V.
Lance Fighter	Posted - 2008.06.25 03:47:00 - [4] Loud noises indeed.
Zandramus D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.25 03:59:00 - [5] do you make these loud noises in bed?
AKULA UrQuan Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.25 04:05:00 - [6] Overload is factored before the aux nano pumps are applied if I recall correctly. Doesn't matter on a single aux nona pump but it does on two.
Ghost hunter Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.25 04:11:00 - [7] Edited by: Ghost hunter on 25/06/2008 04:12:23 It has always been? It's stacking penalized on all of my guns at least. Edit; Akula is probably right, now that I think about it that way. ______ The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö;
Cal Sinai The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Zandramus do you make these loud noises in bed? I can neither confirm nor deny the rumors and allegations that doctorstupid2 does or does not make loud noises in bed. -CEO of a piratey group of murderer people
Blind Man Point Blank Carebears	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:14:00 - [9] the whole concept of overloading fails anyway ╟
Mr Krosis The humble Crew	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:26:00 - [10] I don't even know if this was an "EA" nerf, several other things were definitely like this before the patch. I bugreported it a few months ago regarding ECM and SDAs and was told it was by design, as otherwise people would get the jam strength too high and it would be overpowered. I thought making it stronger was kind of the point of overloading, but No says CCP. -- Mr Krosis The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.

Barbens Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Zandramus do you make these loud noises in bed? Freaky...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Blind Man the whole concept of overloading fails anyway you must not PvP much.
Kou Rien ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2008.06.25 05:59:00 - [13] Edited by: Kou Rien on 25/06/2008 05:59:43 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Blind Man the whole concept of overloading fails anyway you must not PvP much. Dude belongs to "Point Blank Carebears"... Question answered
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:14:00 - [14] Could be just an old display bug making a comeback. I remember for instance overload gun RoF/damage getting stacking-nerfed with weapon upgrade mods RoF/damage bonuses in the early days of Thermodynamics, and it was supposedly merely a visual bug back then. _ Vote on issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Blind Man the whole concept of overloading fails anyway Really? I've gotta say, I'm a big fan. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Virgo I'Platonicus Ex Eventus Corpi	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:08:00 - [16] Edited by: Virgo I''Platonicus on 25/06/2008 07:10:06 I agree with the op. What is the reason behind stack nerfing overheating? It should be stacknerfÖ free. If you fit your ship with 4 or 5 mods of the same type - then your ship is specialised in something and in that something it can't get better without falling apart. Which is where overheating comes in. I believe that was the original CCP idea so it'd be nice to get explanation on it. EDIT:: damn stupid title though V. <3
Pusha Man	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Blind Man the whole concept of overloading fails anyway If this were true, then nobody would train Energy Management to V (I sure as hell wouldn't be training it right now) except for, maybe, the Amarr.
Jacksie021	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:42:00 - [18] Edited by: Jacksie021 on 25/06/2008 08:42:46 looks like not only the HP Repair gone up but also the Activation time has reduced so i think the HP/sec is up by 10% ?
kill0rbunny Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:45:00 - [19] As long as my overloaded webber still works for raping other ceptors, I'm fine. Go places. Kill people.
Kaakao Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:17:00 - [20] Did I mis something here? Overloading armor repairers boost up the sycle time, not rep amount. ----

Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Kaakao Did I mis something here? Overloading armor repairers boost up the sycle time, not rep amount. "Overload repair bonus 10%" _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:22:00 - [22] Edited by: Tippia on 25/06/2008 09:22:17 Originally by: Kaakao Did I mis something here? Overloading armor repairers boost up the sycle time, not rep amount. Overload repair bonus: 10% Overload duration bonus: -15% Bah! Beaten by miles
Kaakao Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Tenuo Originally by: Kaakao Did I mis something here? Overloading armor repairers boost up the sycle time, not rep amount. "Overload repair bonus 10%" Oh, I have only ever spotted the sycle bonus :) ----
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:12:00 - [24] Edited by: Pilk on 25/06/2008 11:12:06 I agree with an earlier poster; I'd make sure this isn't a display bug, first. Probably the easiest way to test would be to find a friend who doesn't mind getting shot a bit and throw on a missile launcher and seven or eight BCS, fire a few missiles at your friend, then overload and fire a half-dozen more. Take a look at his combat log (just on the off chance the display bug might affect yours somehow) and it'll immediately be apparent whether your firing interval dropped by 20% or 1%. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: PAID!
Vessper Indicium Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:39:00 - [25] Shield Booster overloading also has stacking penalties. I found this out while trying to work out why my shield boost bonus wasn't what it should be when using a couple of shield boost amps at the same time. - - - - - - EveHQ Char App \| Item DB
doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Vessper Shield Booster overloading also has stacking penalties. I found this out while trying to work out why my shield boost bonus wasn't what it should be when using a couple of shield boost amps at the same time. Good info. This is still broken as hell.If there's a legitimate reason for this, I don't see why it couldn't be included the EA patch notes. Abusive \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
Matalino Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:18:00 - [27] Originally by: doctorstupid2 If there's a legitimate reason for this, I don't see why it couldn't be included the EA patch notes. Simple, CCP doesn't document all of the changes that they make. This goes back atleast a year now, but probably much longer.
doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Matalino Originally by: doctorstupid2 If there's a legitimate reason for this, I don't see why it couldn't be included the EA patch notes. Simple, CCP doesn't document all of the changes that they make. This goes back atleast a year now, but probably much longer. Right, but it's not really a small change; I'll admit it's not huge but if it warrants being changed in the first place because it's just THAT powerful (lol), it warrants mention of the same because it will effect a lot of ships. Abusive \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
Jurgen Cartis Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:48:00 - [29] I know ECM heat has been stacknerfed for some time now, so now rep heat is stacknerfed. Is overheat on guns/launchers still non-stacking nerfed? Oddly, it appears that the rep amount is stacknerfed, but the rep speed is not. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Sicks Doom Generation	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:50:00 - [30] Its a conspiracy. I happen to have solid evidence that none of the members of CSM have trained Thermodynamics, and they want to keep it that way. - - - - - - - - - -

doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis I know ECM heat has been stacknerfed for some time now, so now rep heat is stacknerfed. Is overheat on guns/launchers still non-stacking nerfed? Oddly, it appears that the rep amount is stacknerfed, but the rep speed is not. I had to check my guns in something full of mag fields to assure myself CCP wasn't really that intent on making me cry, and thank god overload on guns is not subject to stacking. The idea of stacking anything's overload bonus just seems absurd to me. Abusive \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
Goremageddon Box Soldiers Of Mercy	Posted - 2008.06.25 23:13:00 - [32] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Jurgen Cartis I know ECM heat has been stacknerfed for some time now, so now rep heat is stacknerfed. Is overheat on guns/launchers still non-stacking nerfed? Oddly, it appears that the rep amount is stacknerfed, but the rep speed is not. I had to check my guns in something full of mag fields to assure myself CCP wasn't really that intent on making me cry, and thank god overload on guns is not subject to stacking. The idea of stacking anything's overload bonus just seems absurd to me. /signed
doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.27 22:44:00 - [33] MOAR OUTRAGE!! Unnerf overload please? Abusive \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
Sorum Daemoth Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.27 23:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Pusha Man Originally by: Blind Man the whole concept of overloading fails anyway If this were true, then nobody would train Energy Management to V (I sure as hell wouldn't be training it right now) except for, maybe, the Amarr. Just...fail.... God Damn the Pusha Man *You just got WTF EXIT ganked!*
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.06.28 00:10:00 - [35] Time for someone to bring this up in the CSM Assembly Hall. Any volunteers? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Treean	Posted - 2008.06.28 00:44:00 - [36] /rant_on CCP strikes again. Seems to me that these people lack a fundamental understanding of the word communication. EvE is a great game founded on great ideas but marred by **ty developers with even **tier ideas. /rant_off
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.06.28 09:38:00 - [37] Totally not cool. www.siigarikitawa.com
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.06.28 10:23:00 - [38] Edited by: Feilamya on 28/06/2008 10:25:26 Originally by: Mr Krosis I thought making it stronger was kind of the point of overloading, but No says CCP. I recall when overloading was introduced, CCP said it would "add a whole new dimension to the game", and they made a lot of fuzz about it like it was a new killer feature in this game that would have justified a new "expansion" (it finally turned out to be a feature that not even justifies ******* up the whole module interface, which it does) Now apparently it turns out that overloading also adds a whole new dimension to game balance. Unfortunately, CCP can't afford to hire the whole new dimension of game designers needed to handle that, so they decided to make overloading viable only for a select few modules, such as webs. Working as intended, I'd say. I won't cry about lost training time though. Energy Management V, is nice to have.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba The Requiem	Posted - 2008.06.28 10:31:00 - [39] I'd like to hear what ccp has to say about this.. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.06.28 10:52:00 - [40] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Jurgen Cartis I know ECM heat has been stacknerfed for some time now, so now rep heat is stacknerfed. Is overheat on guns/launchers still non-stacking nerfed? Oddly, it appears that the rep amount is stacknerfed, but the rep speed is not. I had to check my guns in something full of mag fields to assure myself CCP wasn't really that intent on making me cry, and thank god overload on guns is not subject to stacking. The idea of stacking anything's overload bonus just seems absurd to me. Pretty coherent: your guns aren't stacking nerfed as they have nothing to stack with; you overload the gun/missile launcher, not the magnetic stabilizer, or heatsink or gyroscope or ballistic control. About the armor rep it seem an effect of the stacking nerf of rigs for armour repairs. Seem a bit absurd to stack nerf dual rep system if that is what you are saying as it is already weaker than shield boost and amplifier.

Allanon Wren Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.28 11:19:00 - [41] More CCP communication incompetence? How is that possible CCP are awesome and infallible! 'Crowd Control Productions, not saying **** since 1997.'
doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.06.28 17:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: doctorstupid2 Originally by: Jurgen Cartis I know ECM heat has been stacknerfed for some time now, so now rep heat is stacknerfed. Is overheat on guns/launchers still non-stacking nerfed? Oddly, it appears that the rep amount is stacknerfed, but the rep speed is not. I had to check my guns in something full of mag fields to assure myself CCP wasn't really that intent on making me cry, and thank god overload on guns is not subject to stacking. The idea of stacking anything's overload bonus just seems absurd to me. Pretty coherent: your guns aren't stacking nerfed as they have nothing to stack with; you overload the gun/missile launcher, not the magnetic stabilizer, or heatsink or gyroscope or ballistic control. About the armor rep it seem an effect of the stacking nerf of rigs for armour repairs. Seem a bit absurd to stack nerf dual rep system if that is what you are saying as it is already weaker than shield boost and amplifier. I've not yet managed to overload aux nanos either, yet the reps' overload bonus is stacking with the aux nanos. Same applies to shield boost amps. What I'm saying is the overload amount bonus of armor repairers and apparently shield boosters is now stacking nerfed against rigs, as in the overload bonus is being counted as a module. Someone else pointed out that boost amps are stacking against the overload bonus as well, in my first post I assumed this didn't apply to shield boosters at all as there are no boost amount rigs; I was incorrect. Ignoring any differences between armor and shield tanks, it's still patently absurd.
Endless Subversion The Accursed	Posted - 2008.07.04 17:42:00 - [43] This is seriously dumb. It's a stealth nerf to PvP active tanking which is seriously in need of buffing, not nerfing. It'd be nice to either hear some justification for this or to see it changed back. Self Destruct & LogOffs
Malen Nenokal Eden Federal Recon	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:01:00 - [44] Can we get a dev confirmation on this? I -just- finished my thermo training too =( -
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:34:00 - [45] There's more to this than just reps, ECMs come to mind as well. Also, webs/disruptors' overloading is stacking penalized with a skirmish gangmod(!). I.e. normal web's 10km, overloaded is 13km, web with gangmod is 13,150km, but overloaded web with gangmod is not 101.31.315=17,095. Instead it's 16,578=101.3(1+0.315*0.87). Awesome, eh? Especially when you only come to know this after a month's worth of training That's been bugreported for ages, but nothing's changed so far... and I honestly don't think something'll change in near future.
Napro Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.05 20:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Malen Nenokal Can we get a dev confirmation on this? I -just- finished my thermo training too =( 2nded
Bellum Eternus Gallente D00M. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.05 20:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Kaileen Starsong There's more to this than just reps, ECMs come to mind as well. Also, webs/disruptors' overloading is stacking penalized with a skirmish gangmod(!). I.e. normal web's 10km, overloaded is 13km, web with gangmod is 13,150km, but overloaded web with gangmod is not 101.31.315=17,095. Instead it's 16,578=101.3(1+0.3150.87). Awesome, eh? Especially when you only come to know this after a month's worth of training That's been bugreported for ages, but nothing's changed so far... and I honestly don't think something'll change in near future. Because skirmish gangmods are just soo overpowered... Also, posting in a doctorstupid2 thread. \o/ waves* Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
doctorstupid2 The Accursed	Posted - 2008.07.06 01:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Kaileen Starsong There's more to this than just reps, ECMs come to mind as well. Also, webs/disruptors' overloading is stacking penalized with a skirmish gangmod(!). I.e. normal web's 10km, overloaded is 13km, web with gangmod is 13,150km, but overloaded web with gangmod is not 101.31.315=17,095. Instead it's 16,578=101.3(1+0.3150.87). Awesome, eh? Especially when you only come to know this after a month's worth of training That's been bugreported for ages, but nothing's changed so far... and I honestly don't think something'll change in near future. Because skirmish gangmods are just soo overpowered... Also, posting in a doctorstupid2 thread. \o/ waves* FAILUM ETERNUS! \o/ get your noob ass in game Abusive \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace


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