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Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:53:00 - [1] Drakes are overpowered. The passively tanked Drakes have a recharge rate that is completely ridiculous. It can easily tank 2 battleships and a CS at the same time. It's just lame. The Slave-tanked faction BS's are out of line. We encountered a Machariel with dual Corpum A-type LARs. We had 2 BCs, a CS and random support and we barely scratched it. The same problem with Crystal set faction/officer tanked CNRs. This must stop. The game mechanics are shot. Bring out the nerf bat CCP.
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Nye Jaran on 25/06/2008 13:58:06 Wasn't the Drake already hit with a passive tank nerf? How much ISK was at risk on when that Machariel undocked? If you can't beat the tank, bring more, bigger guns.
kill0rbunny Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:56:00 - [3] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 25/06/2008 13:56:26 Obvious troll is obvious. Go places. Kill people.
Taedrin Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:57:00 - [4] Passive tank Drakes have pitiful DPS. There is a tradeoff. Slave/Crystal sets cost a metric crap ton of ISK. Same as officer modules. Officer fit BS's SHOULD be hard to kill. Otherwise, why spend billions on them if you can only get a marginal increase in effectiveness out of them?
Leather Boy	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:58:00 - [5] 1) The drakes redicolous tank is well known, but surely it can be broken with alot of volley damage so you bump it under its peek. 2) The machariel is probably the coolest ship in the game (imo), and if it has corpum gear and equivalent, what do you expect? It is suppose to be powerful if you pay that much for a ship! :) Btw, try giving him 6 neuts, and see what happens...
Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Taedrin Passive tank Drakes have pitiful DPS. There is a tradeoff. Slave/Crystal sets cost a metric crap ton of ISK. Same as officer modules. Officer fit BS's SHOULD be hard to kill. Otherwise, why spend billions on them if you can only get a marginal increase in effectiveness out of them? This! Snake sets also cost zillions of ISK and Faction fitted HACs and recon ships should be hard to catch! Let's call it a tradeoff.
Gypsio III Bambooule	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:01:00 - [7] Quote: Drakes are overpowered. The passively tanked Drakes have a recharge rate that is completely ridiculous. It can easily tank 2 battleships and a CS at the same time. It's just lame. No, it can't, and even if it could, it's still no threat to you whatsoever. That really isn't the kind of Drake that you should be worried about.
Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Nye Jaran Edited by: Nye Jaran on 25/06/2008 13:58:06 Wasn't the Drake already hit with a passive tank nerf? How much ISK was at risk on when that Machariel undocked? If you can't beat the tank, bring more, bigger guns. This also! If you can't catch the ship, bring more webs and inties.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:02:00 - [9] Multiple sarcasm detector failures spotted!
Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Leather Boy 1) The drakes redicolous tank is well known, but surely it can be broken with alot of volley damage so you bump it under its peek. 2) The machariel is probably the coolest ship in the game (imo), and if it has corpum gear and equivalent, what do you expect? It is suppose to be powerful if you pay that much for a ship! :) Btw, try giving him 6 neuts, and see what happens... And this too! 1,5 billion isk Huginn risked everytime you undock. it's supposed to be powerful if you spend that much on a ship! Try giving it 6 neuts!

Tankn00blicus Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:03:00 - [11] Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:04:35 Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:03:56 Originally by: Sir Atkinson Snake sets also cost zillions of ISK and Faction fitted HACs and recon ships should be hard to catch! Let's call it a tradeoff. But not only are they just "hard to catch", they're also damn hard to kill. Plus can still deal lots of dps in some cases of nanofaggery (ishtar, sac, etc.). Don't necessarily need faction or even snakes to pull it off either. Originally by: Sir Atkinson This also! If you can't catch the ship, bring more webs and inties. How many billions of inties you suggesting we need to catch one nanofag?
Leather Boy	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Sir Atkinson 1,5 billion isk Huginn risked everytime you undock. it's supposed to be powerful if you spend that much on a ship! Try giving it 6 neuts! If you use 1.5bill on a huginn, you are high.. :) Have a pleasant day...
Kirana Si House of Lubrication	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Tippia Multiple sarcasm detector failures spotted! This
Rhanna Khurin	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:07:00 - [14] This troll is bad and i am not even going to post in it.... Er.. dammit!
Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:08:00 - [15] How many billions of inties you suggesting we need to catch one nanofag? Well we often talk about Isk vs. Reward in this game, so let's say that the Huginn has roughly a 50% chance of dropping a Domination webifier and/or a Domination 10MN MWD (both trading in 150-175 mill range) get the Disruptor too, then you are looking at approx 300-350 mill in loot + the fact that you killed an expensive ship. I'd say you could finance a gang of 25 inty's at that price. Will that be enough for you?
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:08:00 - [16] I agree with the OP. And I am not being funny. When mythic loot was introduced I was happy, but when combined with the MMO player's ability to find emergent gameplay the mythic loot has introduced some serious balance issues. Its just as well that it is so expensive.
Tankn00blicus Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:12:00 - [17] Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:14:06 Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:13:12 Originally by: Sir Atkinson Well we often talk about Isk vs. Reward in this game, so let's say that the Huginn has roughly a 50% chance of dropping a Domination webifier and/or a Domination 10MN MWD (both trading in 150-175 mill range) get the Disruptor too, then you are looking at approx 300-350 mill in loot + the fact that you killed an expensive ship. I'd say you could finance a gang of 25 inty's at that price. Will that be enough for you? You're still throwing 25 people out to catch 1 person. I would only see that kind of situation not being ridiculous when the 1 person is in a cap ship, not a cruiser.
Pamangkin Notneir Industry LLC	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:14:00 - [18] If you can beat it ask for a NERF.
Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Tankn00blicus Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:13:12 Originally by: Sir Atkinson Well we often talk about Isk vs. Reward in this game, so let's say that the Huginn has roughly a 50% chance of dropping a Domination webifier and/or a Domination 10MN MWD (both trading in 150-175 mill range) get the Disruptor too, then you are looking at approx 300-350 mill in loot + the fact that you killed an expensive ship. I'd say you could finance a gang of 25 inty's at that price. Will that be enough for you? You're still throwing 25 people out to catch 1 person. I would only see that kind of situation not being ridiculous when the 1 person is in a cap ship. I understand your point dear friend, but with all the Isk vs. Reward talk in this game it would only seem fair that heavy spending gives you the upper hand (bit like the US army). You could also spend 5x the amount on each ship and then bring only 5 people, but in the end the guys with the high-tech guns and tanks always beat the horde with AK-47's. It's really very simple.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:19:00 - [20] The Drake's tank is a feature of the ship. Unlike a Battleship which can be set up to go as fast as a Cruiser by adding mods and rigs. Translation: OP is a massive blob of fail sauce.

Tankn00blicus Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:20:00 - [21] Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:21:22 Originally by: Sir Atkinson I understand your point dear friend, but with all the Isk vs. Reward talk in this game it would only seem fair that heavy spending gives you the upper hand (bit like the US army). You could also spend 5x the amount on each ship and then bring only 5 people, but in the end the guys with the high-tech guns and tanks always beat the horde with AK-47's. It's really very simple. What about risk vs reward? With nano the risk part pretty much goes out the window because you have your 3-12 km/s get out of jail free card included with your ubertank. Quote: Unless off course they get ambushed? Have you tried that approach? Maybe if you spent some time setting up your attacks and planning what tactics to use you could win? Warping in 5 drakes just isn't going to do it everytime. The nano gang could pretty much just warp in, but unlike other ships which will be forced to commit to the fight once they engage, the nanos simply turn around and run off.
Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Kelli Flay The Drake's tank is a feature of the ship. Unlike a Battleship which can be set up to go as fast as a Cruiser by adding mods and rigs. Translation: OP is a massive blob of fail sauce. Did you even try to read the thread? I believe my arguments are valid. Whereas yours are not. Please try to make constructive comments instead of this.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Kelli Flay The Battleship's speed is a feature of the ship. Unlike a Battlecruiser which can be set up to tank as well as a Battleship by adding mods and rigs. Fix'd.
Nikita Alterana Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:23:00 - [24] Originally by: Tankn00blicus Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:04:35 Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:03:56 Originally by: Sir Atkinson Snake sets also cost zillions of ISK and Faction fitted HACs and recon ships should be hard to catch! Let's call it a tradeoff. But not only are they just "hard to catch", they're also damn hard to kill. Plus can still deal lots of dps in some cases of nanofaggery (ishtar, sac, etc.). Don't necessarily need faction or even snakes to pull it off either. Originally by: Sir Atkinson This also! If you can't catch the ship, bring more webs and inties. How many billions of inties you suggesting we need to catch one nanofag? what are you smoking? the Ishtar does less dps then a t1 thorax. And the sac fires hams, which although tough, they do nothing to a properly tanked bs and cost 3x as much. __________________________________________________
Tankn00blicus Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:24:00 - [25] Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:25:36 Originally by: Nikita Alterana what are you smoking? the Ishtar does less dps then a t1 thorax. And the sac fires hams, which although tough, they do nothing to a properly tanked bs and cost 3x as much. Unlike a thorax, a nano ishtar isn't a suicide ship. As for the sac, I don't see why one cruiser should be always able to solo one battleship, plus what is the battleship going to be able to do to the sac?
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:28:00 - [26] NERF DRAKES!!!!!!!! MY UBER SUPER UNKILLABLE NANO SHIPS ARE UNABLE TO KIL THEM, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH GAME MECHANICS CCP! YOU NEED TO FIX THIS SO I CAN ZOOM AROUND AND GANK EVERYTHING I SEE AND NOT GET CAUGHT BECAUSE IM FLYING MY UBER NANO THAT HAS ABSOLUTLY NO COUNTERS AVAILBABLE IN GAME OTHER THAN: HUGINN, RAPIER, CURSE, HEAVY NEUTS, OVERLOADING, OTHER NANOS, INTIES, THE MAJORITY OF AUTOCANNON SHIPS, THE MAJORITY OF LASER SHIPS, LIGHT MISSILES, CRUISE PRECISION MISSILES, ECM, WEBIFIERS ECT!
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Sir Atkinson Originally by: Kelli Flay The Drake's tank is a feature of the ship. Unlike a Battleship which can be set up to go as fast as a Cruiser by adding mods and rigs. Translation: OP is a massive blob of fail sauce. Did you even try to read the thread? I believe my arguments are valid. Whereas yours are not. Please try to make constructive comments instead of this. How can you say my argument isn't valid? How can you argue that the drake isn't suppose to have a tough tank and was intended by CCP to be that way? {which is what i stated} Logic...hello?
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:31:00 - [28] Edited by: Tippia on 25/06/2008 14:31:56 Originally by: Kelli Flay Logic...hello? <clue-by-four> Logic dictates that this thread was made in response to a nano-whine claiming that speed mods were the only kind of defense that wasn't subject to stacking penalties, and that it should therefore be nerfed. </clue-by-four>
Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Sir Atkinson Originally by: Kelli Flay The Drake's tank is a feature of the ship. Unlike a Battleship which can be set up to go as fast as a Cruiser by adding mods and rigs. Translation: OP is a massive blob of fail sauce. Did you even try to read the thread? I believe my arguments are valid. Whereas yours are not. Please try to make constructive comments instead of this. How can you say my argument isn't valid? How can you argue that the drake isn't suppose to have a tough tank and was intended by CCP to be that way? {which is what i stated} Logic...hello? First of all you state that a BC can't go as fast as a BS. This is obviously not true. Have you tryed and of the other BCs or have you tried a MWD on your Drake? Maybe a disruptor? Or a web? I've seen several of these setups. 2 LSE's and MWD+WEB+SCRAM. They can be very deadly to nanoships as it isn't what you expect from Drake-noobs. And the fail sauce-remark is just childish.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 25/06/2008 14:31:56 Originally by: Kelli Flay Logic...hello? <clue-by-four> Logic dictates that this thread was made in response to a nano-whine claiming that speed mods were the only kind of defense that wasn't subject to stacking penalties, and that it should therefore be nerfed. </clue-by-four> Interesting. Because I don't see the word nano anywhere in the OP.

burek Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:34:00 - [31] Lol, the number of people that don't get it is depressing.
Sir Atkinson Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 25/06/2008 14:31:56 Originally by: Kelli Flay Logic...hello? <clue-by-four> Logic dictates that this thread was made in response to a nano-whine claiming that speed mods were the only kind of defense that wasn't subject to stacking penalties, and that it should therefore be nerfed. </clue-by-four> Interesting. Because I don't see the word nano anywhere in the OP. Then read between the lines my friend.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Sir Atkinson Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Sir Atkinson Originally by: Kelli Flay The Drake's tank is a feature of the ship. Unlike a Battleship which can be set up to go as fast as a Cruiser by adding mods and rigs. Translation: OP is a massive blob of fail sauce. Did you even try to read the thread? I believe my arguments are valid. Whereas yours are not. Please try to make constructive comments instead of this. How can you say my argument isn't valid? How can you argue that the drake isn't suppose to have a tough tank and was intended by CCP to be that way? {which is what i stated} Logic...hello? First of all you state that a BC can't go as fast as a BS. This is obviously not true. Have you tryed and of the other BCs or have you tried a MWD on your Drake? Maybe a disruptor? Or a web? I've seen several of these setups. 2 LSE's and MWD+WEB+SCRAM. They can be very deadly to nanoships as it isn't what you expect from Drake-noobs. And the fail sauce-remark is just childish. I take back the fail sauce remark then. I didn't mean to attack your delicate sensibilities. How about a big boat of failure instead?
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Taedrin Passive tank Drakes have pitiful DPS. There is a tradeoff. More than 300 DPS at 60Km and 240 or so at 84Km isn't "pitiful". OTOH, the OP is full of donkey manure when he says that 2 BS and 1 CS cannot kill 1 passive drake. 1 proper BS is enough, although the Drake can usually tank 3 HACs. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Taedrin Passive tank Drakes have pitiful DPS. There is a tradeoff. More than 300 DPS at 60Km and 240 or so at 84Km isn't "pitiful". OTOH, the OP is full of donkey manure when he says that 2 BS and 1 CS cannot kill 1 passive drake. 1 proper BS is enough, although the Drake can usually tank 3 HACs. The OP says read between the lines. Translation: he is a troll.
JOSEPHx Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:48:00 - [36] Go on holiday Atkinson. -
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Sir Atkinson Drakes are overpowered. The passively tanked Drakes have a recharge rate that is completely ridiculous. It can easily tank 2 battleships and a CS at the same time. It's just lame. The Slave-tanked faction BS's are out of line. We encountered a Machariel with dual Corpum A-type LARs. We had 2 BCs, a CS and random support and we barely scratched it. The same problem with Crystal set faction/officer tanked CNRs. This must stop. The game mechanics are shot. Bring out the nerf bat CCP. But can the drake kill the two BS's? It usually can't. You wastly overestimate tanking.
Faife Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:58:00 - [38] i agree with op, it sucks that my stabber cant kill a drake.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Sir Atkinson Drakes are overpowered. The passively tanked Drakes have a recharge rate that is completely ridiculous. It can easily tank 2 battleships and a CS at the same time. It's just lame. The Slave-tanked faction BS's are out of line. We encountered a Machariel with dual Corpum A-type LARs. We had 2 BCs, a CS and random support and we barely scratched it. The same problem with Crystal set faction/officer tanked CNRs. This must stop. The game mechanics are shot. Bring out the nerf bat CCP. You're a moron.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:56:00 - [40] Originally by: Tankn00blicus Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:14:06 Edited by: Tankn00blicus on 25/06/2008 14:13:12 Originally by: Sir Atkinson Well we often talk about Isk vs. Reward in this game, so let's say that the Huginn has roughly a 50% chance of dropping a Domination webifier and/or a Domination 10MN MWD (both trading in 150-175 mill range) get the Disruptor too, then you are looking at approx 300-350 mill in loot + the fact that you killed an expensive ship. I'd say you could finance a gang of 25 inty's at that price. Will that be enough for you? You're still throwing 25 people out to catch 1 person. I would only see that kind of situation not being ridiculous when the 1 person is in a cap ship, not a cruiser. Have you even seen Star Wars? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:06:00 - [41] Lol you try to compare a drake to nanos ? Sorry but that makes no sense. There is no drake setup i can't kill with a torp-raven (t2 fit). To get to the nanon-comparison. Imagine the drake would take 0 damage from turrets, making your main weapontypes completely useless (what nanos do to missiles atm), while staying at range so you can't web or neut it and still deal considerable damage. If the drake did all this, then you could compare it to nanos, but if you can't kill it with 2 bs and a cs, then i'd say put some weapons on your ships and train the skills at least to 2, a damagemod might be a good idea aswell.
Pellura School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:57:00 - [42] maybe you guys just suck, I mean you need a cap to kill a drake? ^^
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:01:00 - [43] Wts crystal set faction/officer tanked CNRs Nerf bat you say ? Dream on
Zephyr Rengate State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:01:00 - [44] Originally by: burek Lol, the number of people that don't get it is depressing. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...
Zinras Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:04:00 - [45] Originally by: burek Lol, the number of people that don't get it is depressing. This. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:07:00 - [46] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/06/2008 17:09:23 Weather the OP meant it or not, it still brings out the question as to what setups are OK and which arent. I think the ship setups I fly are fine, while the ship setups of my enemy that I cant beat are overpowered. Anyone else? Putting in a just to make sure everyone gets the wink. Originally by: Faife i agree with op, it sucks that my stabber cant kill a drake. I wonder if even two nano vagas can kill a tanked Drake. Working as intended. --- Its dead, Jim.
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Sir Atkinson Drakes are overpowered. The passively tanked Drakes have a recharge rate that is completely ridiculous. It can easily tank 2 battleships and a CS at the same time. It's just lame. The Slave-tanked faction BS's are out of line. We encountered a Machariel with dual Corpum A-type LARs. We had 2 BCs, a CS and random support and we barely scratched it. The same problem with Crystal set faction/officer tanked CNRs. This must stop. The game mechanics are shot. Bring out the nerf bat CCP. On the off chance that this is not yet another round in the nano fight, you know large neuts will do a job on most things active tanks. Originally by: HEXXX In all seriousness; I think I made a miscalculation originally. . . We either need to fix this or fix our advertising.
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:20:00 - [48] Originally by: Dal Thrax Originally by: Sir Atkinson Drakes are overpowered. The passively tanked Drakes have a recharge rate that is completely ridiculous. It can easily tank 2 battleships and a CS at the same time. It's just lame. The Slave-tanked faction BS's are out of line. We encountered a Machariel with dual Corpum A-type LARs. We had 2 BCs, a CS and random support and we barely scratched it. The same problem with Crystal set faction/officer tanked CNRs. This must stop. The game mechanics are shot. Bring out the nerf bat CCP. On the off chance that this is not yet another round in the nano fight, you know large neuts will do a job on most things speed tanking. See what I did there?
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:29:00 - [49] If you cannot take down a passivedrake with 2 battleships you should take a deep breath, look at your skills and at your fittings and start to think about it if this game is the right thing for you because you obviously fail on all fronts. I don't fly the drake. I fought many passive drakes and i agree that they have an awesome tank that can be frustrating at times if you fight it with lets say 2 vagabonds. So the caldari tier 2 battlecruiser tanks better then the rest and exceeds others. So what? It's not like caldari ships are the best vp ships in this game. Now they have one ship that tanks well and performs well in PVP even with tackling gear and you have nothing better to do then come here and complain? My mega rips through a passive drake without any help from others just fine so you simply must be doing something wrong when you can't do it with 2 BS and a BC. ___
Kirana Si House of Lubrication	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:31:00 - [50] Originally by: MOS DEF My mega rips through a passive drake without any help from others just fine Nerf the Megathron now !!!

Princess Kyky Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:46:00 - [51] Originally by: burek Lol, the number of people that don't get it is depressing. /signed <3 Burek ------
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:04:00 - [52] Obvious troll who is whining in a round about way that people have complained about nanos. News flash, if a Mach didn't fit for speed you should have easily been able to kill it with two BSes and 1 CS. Slaves or no slaves. I call shinanigens on your "story," and if its true, its just betrayed your own lameness. As for the Drake, well yes. A fully passive Drake is just stupid. Plane and simple. -Karlemgne
Tae'Lin Hynd Aliastra	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:29:00 - [53] Edited by: Tae''Lin Hynd on 25/06/2008 18:30:16 Originally by: MOS DEF If you cannot take down a passivedrake with 2 battleships you should take a deep breath, look at your skills and at your fittings and start to think about it if this game is the right thing for you because you obviously fail on all fronts. I don't fly the drake. I fought many passive drakes and i agree that they have an awesome tank that can be frustrating at times if you fight it with lets say 2 vagabonds. So the caldari tier 2 battlecruiser tanks better then the rest and exceeds others. So what? It's not like caldari ships are the best vp ships in this game. Now they have one ship that tanks well and performs well in PVP even with tackling gear and you have nothing better to do then come here and complain? My mega rips through a passive drake without any help from others just fine so you simply must be doing something wrong when you can't do it with 2 BS and a BC. Wait, this is the same argument that the non-nano user uses when the whine on the nanos start, and you will notice all the caldari drake fliers that took this thread to heart, when obviously he was pokin fun at all the caldari that cry about the nano that can't be killed by their pve drake.
Tai Paktu Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Banana Torres When mythic loot was introduced I was happy, but when combined with the MMO player's ability to find emergent gameplay the mythic loot has introduced some serious balance issues. Originally by: Banana Torres When mythic loot was introduced I was happy, but when combined with the MMO player's ability to find emergent gameplay... Originally by: Banana Torres When mythic loot was introduced I was happy Originally by: Banana Torres When mythic loot Originally by: Banana Torres mythic loot Get out. ______ http://eve-files.com/sig/TaiPaktu/sig3.PNG


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