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Kirana Si House of Lubrication	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:37:00 - [1] Hello fellow space pilots, the Raven needs to be hit by the nerf hammer now because its the only BS you could jump in after only a few weeks of training and run lvl4 missions afk witch means insta isk ( in relativ big amounts ) for player who choose to fly Calmari ! All other races have to spend month of training time to be able to get the same results Its unfair and unbalanced and has to be fixed or I will cancel all my accounts!
Sanctus Maleficus Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:38:00 - [2] I love Calamari!
Gridwalker	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:38:00 - [3] Obvious troll obvious.
Kirana Si House of Lubrication	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Sanctus Maleficus I love Calamari! Don`t troll, this is serious stuff
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:40:00 - [5] It's "Calamari". Very good fried.
Algia Knightstorm	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:41:00 - [6] You're Bored aren't you?
FlameGlow State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:42:00 - [7] All lies, you can't afk-mission in raven- you need to reload, and maybe even pulse shieldbooster. Now dominix is different - get aggro, start tank, release drones and go afk until mission is done - nerf it!
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:48:00 - [8] In other news, training a decent Ishtar afk mission ship from scratch, with a new char and +5's, takes about 220days. I just checked today. Domi is a bit faster, of course.
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:52:00 - [9] Edited by: Lorna Loot on 26/06/2008 13:52:31 Originally by: Qui Shon In other news, training a decent Ishtar afk mission ship from scratch, with a new char and +5's, takes about 220days. I just checked today. Domi is a bit faster, of course. I afk in my ishtar, get my Nighthawk alt to agress the entire mission, drop his drones, my drones and go for dinner, come back and the combined Hobgobs and Ogres have killed everything. Of course the combined training from both of them for this is about 1 and a half years :D Makes some quick isk when you like to keep track of other income sources and only release them every so often. --- My invincible Ishtar not taking damage at 3.2Km/s: >wrecking for 175.7 damage. >doing 21.2 damage. >doing 99.3 damage. >inflicting 63.5 damage. >doing 102.8 damage
Kirana Si House of Lubrication	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:58:00 - [10] I can`t believe you ppl don`t see CCPs big misstake in the skill path to become a Raven pilot. To use the gig gunz all other races have to train small ones first but not the Calmari pilots, they can fire ze big whoopdiwhoop missiles after 25min of training. Thats unfair, period.
AKULA UrQuan Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:07:00 - [11] The raven can also nanoup to the tune of 6.3km/sec.
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:09:00 - [12] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan The raven can also nanoup to the tune of 6.3km/sec. OMG this needs a separate thread to itself! --- My invincible Ishtar not taking damage at 3.2Km/s: >wrecking for 175.7 damage. >doing 21.2 damage. >doing 99.3 damage. >inflicting 63.5 damage. >doing 102.8 damage
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:12:00 - [13] I'm still training Typhoon skills and will be for months. If I'd known about Ravens I may have gone that route, but I didn't, went Amarr, then to Minmatar ships. Ultimately, the game is with yourself, and how you go about it. Some folks want "easy", some want a challenge.
RiotRick Black-Sun Pitch Black Legion	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Sanctus Maleficus I love Calamari! Ooohh.... Morsus Mihi!
Alan Maher You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:15:00 - [15] Its been like this since the beginning of time. Nothing will change.
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:17:00 - [16] Calamari's missiles ships have it too easy! * No tracking * Huge range * Can choose damage type! * Lower skill points required to be effective Nerf Calamari !!! .
Kirana Si House of Lubrication	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Kirana Si on 26/06/2008 14:17:52 Originally by: Lorna Loot Originally by: AKULA UrQuan The raven can also nanoup to the tune of 6.3km/sec. OMG this needs a separate thread to itself! Please open a new one, we need moar nerf threads to adress issues to CCP
Polcor Rodal	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:18:00 - [18] Edited by: Polcor Rodal on 26/06/2008 14:19:04 I think the raven is meant to be an easy path for newbies and industrial chars as a moneymaking machine with relatively low SP¦s. Also compare the distribution of high quality lvl4 agents in high sec (caldari vs. all other races)... Guristas also give more bounty than sansha¦s or blood raiders - but yeah, probably to cover the tremendous amount of isk spended on ammo. Just get used to it, or train for a raven as well. Pol p.s. IMO the domni is the better mission runner but requires way more SP. Take care, bears.
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Lorna Loot Originally by: AKULA UrQuan The raven can also nanoup to the tune of 6.3km/sec. OMG this needs a separate thread to itself! Post an EFT screenshot with it. .
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Xparky Originally by: Lorna Loot Originally by: AKULA UrQuan The raven can also nanoup to the tune of 6.3km/sec. OMG this needs a separate thread to itself! Post an EFT screenshot with it. Full officer fit C/D? --- My invincible Ishtar not taking damage at 3.2Km/s: >wrecking for 175.7 damage. >doing 21.2 damage. >doing 99.3 damage. >inflicting 63.5 damage. >doing 102.8 damage
Luxo	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:21:00 - [21] just cancel your accounts.. thats easyer.. gimme your isk!
Xparky Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.26 14:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Lorna Loot Full officer fit C/D? C All veterans can spare billions. .
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:20:00 - [23] I'm still trying to figure out how to afk missions. My ship never goes through the jump gates. Originally by: El'tar I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I'm still trying to figure out how to afk missions. My ship never goes through the jump gates. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
MidnightMatriarch	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Sanctus Maleficus I love Calamari! No, its "we love calamari". (Katamari joke)
Nitakko Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:37:00 - [26] Nerf Amarr!
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Nitakko Nerf Amarr! Noooooo, I'm cross training --- My invincible Ishtar not taking damage at 3.2Km/s: >wrecking for 175.7 damage. >doing 21.2 damage. >doing 99.3 damage. >inflicting 63.5 damage. >doing 102.8 damage
AKULA UrQuan Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:14:00 - [28] You asked for it Still have to flesh it out abit more so it is far from being a final fit. There's a gang booster in there but no minlinked command ships. Full snakes and 3% rouges along with zor's hyper-link.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:23:00 - [29] YAWN
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:39:00 - [30] only reason the raven is the chosen ship for missions is the selectable damage type. any other BS is just as easy to get into quickly and run L4s with. running level 4s is about tanking damage primarily and dealing out the weakest dmg type after that. every ship can tank the damage, its just some are restricted in one way or another in damage type dealt. ravens can choose a specific damage type but suffer the wait of the missiles getting to their targets, thinking ahead to shut off missiles from range in order to maximize dps and minimize mission run time, and using a lot of ammo. gallente have dominix and hyperion. both can tank as well, if not better, than the raven. they can use drones as dps, which takes longer to dish out the dps, depending on drone skills. plus aggro is harder to maintain. amarr can easily tank but are restricted in damage dealing type. don't plan on doing angel npcs too quickly, but working an amarr toon of mine on missions in amarr space usually have me up against sansha anyway. minmatar are the only ones that really suffer, as they are kind of built for damage and not tanking. heavy skills can actually make it work, though. so if you want to nerf ravens, which sounds like you are more bent on people not making isk, you'll have to nerf missiles in general. what else do you want to do? make ravens have a ship bonus that takes -10% per level to damage of cruises and torps? seriously. if not a troll its definitely not a thought out statement. You're doing it wrong.

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