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RaTTuS	Posted - 2004.05.19 10:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Darial Tornsoul, Do you have someone in Fountain that we can give our parts to so we can contribute without travelling to empire ? Darial, any BIG member that is in fountain will be able to help BIG Lottery BIG Deal Damn Sig text length nurf
Quagmire	Posted - 2004.05.19 21:09:00 - [32] 43 jumps, but I did my bit for the Gallente. -- Security Director, Draconis Industries.
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.19 21:52:00 - [33] 43j's - Respect BIG Lottery [u
Neko Makai	Posted - 2004.05.20 07:58:00 - [34] Anyone who trys to deface BIG corparation of their honesty should be KOS IMO. I have watched BIGs kindhearted ways and socialist attitudes and love it. Heh, you could say if they themselves owned a small nation, they could make COMMUNISM work. Well from what i heard they have made it work inside their corp...
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.05.20 17:00:00 - [35] Originally by: Neko Makai Anyone who trys to deface BIG corparation of their honesty should be KOS IMO. I have watched BIGs kindhearted ways and socialist attitudes and love it. Heh, you could say if they themselves owned a small nation, they could make COMMUNISM work. Well from what i heard they have made it work inside their corp... Bah BIG are more Capitalistic than TTI. They are constantly coming up with new ideas that both earn them a profit ie the BIG deal and still are of great value to the customers. That's the very best of Capitalism. Really you can't go wrong with BIG.
Neko Makai	Posted - 2004.05.20 19:47:00 - [36] heh, excuse my misconception. The fact remains that that they are good ppl to work with.
DeathsLight	Posted - 2004.05.20 20:27:00 - [37] Ok, just want to get it strait. I will want to place my parts in an escrow to "Gilani" with a 7 day duration. Correct. BTW If its like a BP can we all get unlimited BPC from BIG?
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.20 20:44:00 - [38] Edited by: TornSoul on 20/05/2004 20:49:08 Originally by: DeathsLight Ok, just want to get it strait. I will want to place my parts in an escrow to "Gilani" with a 7 day duration. Correct. In the Fricoure 8-3 station. Correct. Originally by: DeathsLight BTW If its like a BP can we all get unlimited BPC from BIG? It's not possible to make unlimited run BPc's any longer. If you meant unlimted supply - Then yes, that would be a possibility. But I sincerely doubt it will be a BPo - after the Miner II 'scandal' Time will tell. ___________________________________________________ Communist or capitalist - well.. We prefer to see ourself as just a 'BIG Family'. If that happens to coincide with any 'idiological categories' so be it BIG Lottery [u
Therax	Posted - 2004.05.20 21:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Maud Dib Originally by: Neko Makai Anyone who trys to deface BIG corparation of their honesty should be KOS IMO. I have watched BIGs kindhearted ways and socialist attitudes and love it. Heh, you could say if they themselves owned a small nation, they could make COMMUNISM work. Well from what i heard they have made it work inside their corp... Bah BIG are more Capitalistic than TTI. They are constantly coming up with new ideas that both earn them a profit ie the BIG deal and still are of great value to the customers. That's the very best of Capitalism. Really you can't go wrong with BIG. Both at the same time actually, internally very communistic, externally very capitalistic. Works for us. -Morbeis
Six KH	Posted - 2004.05.21 17:26:00 - [40] Edited by: Six KH on 21/05/2004 17:28:06 when the deadline will be ? and can we do several escrows if we are supplied later ?
DocDoo	Posted - 2004.05.21 18:03:00 - [41] This news item SCC delays Jovian body part trade seems to indicate that it will be possible to sell the Jove Parts on the market next Friday, but that isn't the deadline for the empires to hand over the parts to the Jovians though. You can put up as many escrows in Fricoure 8-3 as you like, but we would appreciate it if you try and make as large escrows as possible to limit the bookkeeping on our part.
Six KH	Posted - 2004.05.21 18:07:00 - [42] just putted my amount of parts in escrow. I hope everyone will do it like me
Schizoid	Posted - 2004.05.21 23:15:00 - [43] I hope no1 forgets to mention for which Empire they wish the parts to go to. I see little people mentioning this! And I was wondering if there was an update on collected parts and which empire is in the lead as in votes?
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.22 00:12:00 - [44] Edited by: TornSoul on 22/05/2004 00:12:52 I was planning to get the update done today, but... busy things happen :/ I hope to get it done by tomorrow... I can (almost) promise as much BIG Lottery [u
Kayscha	Posted - 2004.05.22 13:31:00 - [45] Edited by: Kayscha on 22/05/2004 13:32:57 I'm still wondering if that 'vote for your fav empire' will have any effect at all. After some quick calculations, Minamtars are still the ones who will win this thing. Consider this: - Assumption: Most players will have a certain affinity for the empire their main character's race corresponds to. Surely some will prefer another empire for one reason or another, but this should even itself out statistically. - Fact: according to a recent dev post, minmatar make up 21% of the entire EVE player population. - Fact: Bone splinters, the body part that is being bought exclusively by the Minamtar empire, make up 25 persent of the entire body part pool. Given that my asssumption is correct and the demographics actually represent the relative popularity of the empires, the following seems very likely: - The Minmatars will receive 21% of the epidermis slivers, (10.5% of all body parts), given that different body parts have been distributed among all races evenly. - They will further receive all bone splinters (25% of the total), given that few people will throw away/keep theirs in spite or ignorance. This provides the Minamatar empire with a full 35.5% of all body parts. If calculated for the other races, they will accumulate 24.5 (Caldari), 21 (Amarr) and 18.5 (Gal) percent respectively. That's an 11% gap - even if all Amarr players would donate their epidermis slivers to Caldari for some reason, it wouldn't make a difference! So, unless someone finds a serious error in my thinking, I consider this a very predetermined outcome for a so-called 'player-run' event. Edit: @TS: could you regularly update how many parts are in which pool?
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.22 15:30:00 - [46] Edited by: TornSoul on 22/05/2004 15:31:06 From the latest news Quote: In order to facilitate participation from a larger number of individuals, the minimum order size for each part will be reduced from the previously-planned 1000 units to more manageable sums, corresponding to each partÆs relative rarity. Seems the SCC has been thinking what you have been thinking as well - and has thus 'changed their mind' a bit, on how to do the buying. And yes I'll have all the neccessary statistics on the web page (once I have an hour or so spare to get the code done) BIG Lottery [u
Kayscha	Posted - 2004.05.22 19:04:00 - [47] Thanks for the update. Looking at your page, though, I fear CCP's efforts to even out the score might not be enough - the Minmatars already have a lead of almost 20 parts, almost twice as much as the next contender. What might change things for the BIG collection, at least, are the non-assigned slivers. There are clearly more of them than I had anticipated. If these remain so numerous across the board, they might just close the gap. :)
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.22 21:28:00 - [48] Expect to see the numbers of the BIG Gathering to take some huge jumps over the next few days Not yet sure of the distribution - Should be interesting though. BIG Lottery [u
seoul	Posted - 2004.05.23 11:34:00 - [49] Edited by: seoul on 23/05/2004 11:35:11 I am somewhat confused by this process. BIG is effectively encouraging races to contribute parts on behalf of another race ? ie I am Caldari, but i do not have liver bile or epidermis sliver, so if i contribute my piece i could poosibly be aiding the Gallente race ? I understand that all that BIG can gain from this is the "possibility" of a corporation bonus, but this seems strange that they are asking citizens to gamble so much on a "possibility". I prefer to see each Race collecting on behalf of their respective race and contributing as such. As such i suggest Caldari Citizens visit "caldari state citizens" channel and listen to their suggestions. Their efforts so far can be viewed at www.caldari.tk Another option would be for BIG to work in partnership with the races and contribute their pieces to the most prominent collectors from each race ?
Kayscha	Posted - 2004.05.23 14:40:00 - [50] I think you are not taking into account that BIG will get isk out of the sale whether or not they are the greatest contributor - after all, the empires will pay (and pay well, I suppose) for the pieces they receive. This will in turn be shared among all contributors. So unless you have a special interest in your race's empire winning (and thus will be holding on to your body part lest another race might gain an advantage from it), you're not likely to lose anything from letting BIG have you piece. If, of course, BIG turns out to be the largest single contributor, expect to get your share from the Jove bonus, as well. And since BIG is one of the most visible collectors out there and is further collecting all 5 parts, too, chances aren't bad that BIG will in fact win this race.
seoul	Posted - 2004.05.23 15:56:00 - [51] Quote: So unless you have a special interest in your race's empire winning (and thus will be holding on to your body part lest another race might gain an advantage from it), you're not likely to lose anything from letting BIG have you piece. Doesn't everyone have a special interest in their own Race ?
Kayscha	Posted - 2004.05.23 16:36:00 - [52] Well, some do, but others would consider that racist, have no love for the empire that rules their race or simply don't roleplay and thus don't care either way. Myself, I do care for Amarr, but I'm not sure yet if I'm ready to reprocess my bone splinter for that (since nobody would trade it for their blood drop, would they, now?).
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.23 17:26:00 - [53] ((IC)) True to our motto "Everywhere - Everything" we will try to accomodate each of the empires if possible. We belive that the more body parts collected all together, regardless of which empire wishes to buy them, the better the chances will be of restoring the Jovian liaison Misu Banyia. Petty racial squabbles will only hinder this process. Sometimes you have to put your racial background on the backburner for the sake of a greater goal. At the same time, we wish to distribute any reward the Jovians migth bestow on us to all contributors - The more that benefits the better in our opinion. ((OOC)) Why gamble on only one horse? In this case it doesnt cost more to play on all the horses, and thus : Greater chance of getting the prize. We quadrouble our chances of becomming the BIGgest supplier by selling to all 4 empires (Something a caldari of all things should understand...) BIG has never limited itself. Nor will we this time. BIG Lottery [u
Kayscha	Posted - 2004.05.26 09:03:00 - [54] Damn! I really should ave auctioned my part off, after all. 20k isk for an epidermis sliver when they were going for 2M before. And no reward at all for the corp that delivers the most. So even if I do donate now, what do I get out of it? 30k for my bone splinter and 1/750th of a cloaking module bpc. I don't suppose that'll be worth all that much, either. Considering the Jove bonus for the winning empire, I think I prefer just to keep my splinter in the hope that Minmatar won't win that and thus my chance as an Ammar increase to receive it instead. I believe this sucks rather badly. This event was announced so loudly that I think everyone suspected something big (no, not BIG ;) ). No it turns out to be just peanuts. I feel somewhat let down, and I wouldn't be surprised if ppl like BIG that involvd themselves in this will feel the same. Good job, ccp :P
Swift	Posted - 2004.05.26 16:16:00 - [55] 20k isk for an epidermis sliver -- Don't make the mistalke of thinking that the Empire buy order is anything related to the Player sell price. Because the extra isk goes towards the ability to monolpolies production of rare cloaking technology which will make the manufactureres make a bucketload of isk. So the price of each part will be higher. How much higher? Well I honestly predict that the old theory stands - those that paid a lot have no intention of selling for a huge loss.. and most of the parts still lie in the hands of those that paid millions (even if it means that reselling at the same price results in a stupendous cost for those wanting the print). So how do you reacquire them? Either pay the millions of isk or not. Unreasonable for just a limited cloaking print? Maybe - but truth is getting a hold of some of the buy orders still still be difficult because: a/ some of the parts have simply been destroyed b/ some of the parts have not even be noticed (accoutns running but not checked in weeks.. awaiting subscription end). c/ some of the parts were purchased for large amounts and buyer would rather not sell for a huge loss and just hold onto them d/ some of the parts will be held because of Oveurs statement that they will be used later. Now really, how many aprts does that leave of people willing to part with them at a decent (small price) so that a limited few can make a bucketload of isk from manufacturing and selling rare tech? Knowing full well that because of the price of the tech they may not be able to buy it either for months to come most likely? Lets see what happens ;) ----- --- 'The truth about low sec space is that it reveals humanity - the 'essence' of all the races, in its purest form. A place where Concord no longer polices or protects, 'human nature' thrives in all its distilled destructive self-serving glory. Welcome to hell ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what it really is to be human.' -Swiftare 'Swift' Sarum.
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.27 00:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Swift d/ some of the parts will be held because of Oveurs statement that they will be used later. I do belive that statement was with regards to the Fullerenes only, which are not needed in this present endavour. I do find it a shame that the empires will only wait 2 more weeks though, hardly time for the 'Body parts' market to develop and 'mature'. I would dearly have loved to see what 'equilibrium' prize the parts would have ended up at. Ie. the prize players would be willing to pay over what the empires will pay (becuase yes, the player prize will be higher) I just dont think 2 weeksis enough. Ofc this is probably if little to no interest of the most - Just a 'hobby' of mine is all - could have been fun to 'watch' BIG Lottery [u
Swift	Posted - 2004.05.27 02:31:00 - [57] Actually I am pretty sure he was talking about the jovian parts - the reason being that there was some discussion on the topic.. the thread became unstickied for some reason from the general forum but ill try find it. However he stated that the issue with the parts was that different players had different expectations of what would happen to them, and there was no way for the devs to do many events with them at the same time. So he stated that keeping the parts in the hanger would be a 'sensible' thing to do (quote) because they would be once more in use in the future for those that do. There was no mention of fullerenes.. they simply dont factor into this event at all and have never come under discussion. He also stated that he had no intention of revealing the end of the story - the option to keep parts and wait for an uncertain future for them once more was the players choice. With many parts already used, their value would be higher - or not.. all depending on the players. ----- --- 'The truth about low sec space is that it reveals humanity - the 'essence' of all the races, in its purest form. A place where Concord no longer polices or protects, 'human nature' thrives in all its distilled destructive self-serving glory. Welcome to hell ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what it really is to be human.' -Swiftare 'Swift' Sarum.
Swift	Posted - 2004.05.27 02:35:00 - [58] Edited by: Swift on 27/05/2004 02:36:50 Here it is: Oveur's quotes: ---- Oh, and the bodyparts* will have further usage down the line, so it's also sensible to keep them in your hangar - for now* ---- and ---- B) You have the choice of not participating, waiting to use your bodyparts for something else. People have different motivations for doing this, some just want their race to win. We can't possibly match all expectations and motivations, hence we do a series of events catering to different people - problem is, we can't do it all at the same time. ---- It is from this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=82928&page=2 and as highlighted in bold, he referred to them as 'bodyparts' and the fullerenes are not. ----- --- 'The truth about low sec space is that it reveals humanity - the 'essence' of all the races, in its purest form. A place where Concord no longer polices or protects, 'human nature' thrives in all its distilled destructive self-serving glory. Welcome to hell ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what it really is to be human.' -Swiftare 'Swift' Sarum.
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.27 02:52:00 - [59] Edited by: TornSoul on 27/05/2004 02:54:37 Thank you very much - I had not seen that thread. And I stand corrected. (would still like it to be more than 2 weeks though BIG Lottery [u
Klitte	Posted - 2004.05.28 17:26:00 - [60] Could the part-contributions become avalible under reciept in-game, so it is possible to have a record that would confirm onces choice of donation. As it is right now, I've donateted a Sliver, but are unable to conferm that my vote has been correctly logged. The minmatar votes where unchanged from the last update, so it looks as though my vote might have been "lost". BTW: Gotta love ya, you're doing a great job.

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