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TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.17 21:58:00 - [1] Edited by: TornSoul on 18/05/2004 13:30:53 Edited by: TornSoul on 17/05/2004 23:00:52 www.BIG-EVE.com The BIG Jovian Body Parts Gathering In the spirit of BIG's motto "Everywhere û Everything" we have decided to try and accomplish the epic feat of collecting as many Jovian Body Parts as possible, in order to restore the Jovian liaison Misu Banyia. However, we will try and accomplish this in a fashion, which will benefit as many citizens as possible in the EVE universe. Instead of one person (or corporation) gaining the sole benefit of any reward that might be offered by the Jovian Empire, BIG will strive to see that as many as possible can gain from this. What we offer to do is the following: We will collect all your Jovian Body Parts, and hold them for you in a common 'pool'. You will still own whichever Jovian Body Parts you have contributed with. Any reward given will simply be split among those contributing to this monumental task (based on their contribution). This way - Even though you only posses 2 Jovian Body Parts, you will still get a chance at a part of the reward. Consider that: Not many will be able to accomplish the task of getting together the required bulk amount of 1000+ Jovian Body Parts. As such - Many many Jovian Body Parts will simply go to waste - Which would be a shame as it will hurt the Jovian attempt to restore their liaison Misu Banyia. In our opinion, the more Jovian Body Parts collected - The greater the chance of restoring Misu Banyia and gaining the gratitude of the Jovian Empire. So instead of letting your Jovian Body Parts go to waste - Add them to the BIG pool of Jovian Body Parts. How to Join Put up an escrow mission in Fricoure 8-3, lock it to "Gilani" (a member of BIG) and set the duration to 7 days. Please put in the message part which Empire you wish to 'support' (ie. "Amarr", "Gallente", "Minmatar" or "Caldari" - or simply put nothing, if this is of no concern to you) Addendum 2004.05.18 The need for a 'vote' is only needed if you are contributing with Epidermis Sliver's - The other body parts are empire specific. Also - Complex Fullerene Shard's are now confirmed to not beeing needed. BIG will then collect all the Jovian Body Parts into a BIG pool, which will hopefully become the largest in the EVE universe (and thus insure we together will get any reward given) If the reward given is not suitable for sharing among all the contributors, BIG will make sure to 'liquidate' it, so that everyone will get ISK instead (maybe via another BIG Lottery special - or simply an auction). The reward is of course in addition to whatever ISK value the Jovian Body Parts will be sold for. 'Majority vote' will decide which empire the collective pool of Jovian Body Parts will be handed over to. Each Jovian Body Part a participant contributes with will be considered a 'vote' by that participant and the remark on the Escrow mission will determine which empire the participant votes for. Jovian Body Parts put up in escrow without an Empire designation, will be ignored when counting the votes (we will consider the votes as 'abstained'). The progress of the BIG Jovian Body Part Gathering can be followed here: The BIG Jovian Body Part Gathering (IGB compatible) Another one of our mottos "The whole is more than the sum of its parts" has never been truer. BIG also runs the longest running event in EVE û The BIG Lottery - which recently has been donated an Imperial Apocalypse by the well known Gallente holoreel actress Martina Monterneux as the prize in the current round. BIG Lottery [u
Deaune	Posted - 2004.05.17 22:29:00 - [2] Nice initiative, but one question.. When you specify who you want to support, how are you going to work that out? Is it simply going to be a vote as to who the parts go to? I'd very much doubt that BIG can pull together the 4000 parts needed for one "delivery" to each race. So surely people will be blindly giving their parts over with no prior indication of whether they can support their own race, which kinda takes away the RP aspect of it. I'd also like to see how much the empires are offering, most people that have made the investment to buy up the parts have paid over a million per piece, and thats a straight billion isk for 1000 parts. Thirdly, and finally.. we don't know if the empires want just the biological components yet, or the fullerene aswell. It'd make sense only the biological stuff needed, as the capsule that Misu was in won't be needed to put her back together. Announcement maybe a day too early in my opinion. Guess we'll see tommorow. That said however, seems Big come up with more and more good idea's every day. Nice move.
HornO	Posted - 2004.05.17 22:36:00 - [3] That's a nice plan :) I'll stick mine up on escrow when I get back to Amarr
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.05.17 22:46:00 - [4] Edited by: Scorpyn on 17/05/2004 22:47:39 Originally by: TornSoul This way - Even though you only posses 2 Jovian Body Parts, you will still get a chance at a part of the reward. I may have misunderstood everything, but didn't we get one part of the body and one part of the ship? And is it not only the body part that is asked for? Good move though
Bubba1977	Posted - 2004.05.17 22:54:00 - [5] I think I'll hold on to my pieces. BTW, I'm offering 500k isk for fullerene . __________________________________________________
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.17 23:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Scorpyn <snip>is it not only the body part that is asked for? Most likely - But as info is scarse atm, we see no reason to rule out the fullerene shards just yet. Should it later turn out that some parts will not be requested - Those will ofc be returned to the contributors. BIG Lottery [u
Swift	Posted - 2004.05.17 23:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Swift on 17/05/2004 23:29:06 Just to clarify.. the reward seems to be in three parts: - Contributors will get their 'share' of the isk reward for the 1000 parts on behalf of whichever Empire the contribution goes to depending on number of parts submitted. - The Empire that it is submitted for is chosen by vote per part and the 'reward' will most likely benefit all people of that race whether they submitted or not it seems (speculation - access to Jove space, increased standings for later and so on). - A 'special' Jove prize would most likely be awarded to BIG from this statement in the news: 'There have even been rumors that the Jovians will reward those pilots or corporations most prominent in the collection process, though this has not been officially confirmed. It is this prize that you will then attempt to split? So if its not possible to work something out i.e blueprint copies, you will attempt to lottery it off and split profits etc? Thanks in advance, -Swift ----- --- 'The truth about low sec space is that it reveals humanity - the 'essence' of all the races, in its purest form. A place where Concord no longer polices or protects, 'human nature' thrives in all its distilled destructive self-serving glory. Welcome to hell ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what it really is to be human.' -Swiftare 'Swift' Sarum.
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.17 23:41:00 - [8] Edited by: TornSoul on 17/05/2004 23:42:53 The empires will be paying cold hard ISK for each part. "the empires will start buying back selective body parts on the market" The ISK BIG gets via the direct sale of the parts, goes straight back to the contributors (ISK per part) The Joves might reward the most contrubuting empire "in what way the Jovians will reward the empire that collects the most body parts" This will not be a reward aimed at BIG/contributors, and as such nothing we can 'give back'. The Jovians might furthermore directly reward individuals/corps selling the most parts "rumors that the Jovians will reward those pilots or corporations most prominent in the collection process" Should BIG end up as a recipient of such a direct Jovian award, the nature of the reward will dictate how it will be divided among the contributors. This could be via the BIG Lottery, a standard auction or... who knows - All depends on the nature of the prize. Main objective beeing to reward all contributors based on the contributions. BIG Lottery [u
Demangel	Posted - 2004.05.18 00:57:00 - [9] Edited by: Demangel on 18/05/2004 00:58:40 Ok so are we supposed to just hand em over for 0ISK on the escrow thing? or are you paying for them? I'm just curious cuz that wasn't clear, not because I distrust BIG or am looking for a sick profit right now, or anything like that. Just wanna know Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.18 10:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Demangel Edited by: Demangel on 18/05/2004 00:58:40 Ok so are we supposed to just hand em over for 0ISK on the escrow thing? Yes. As they still belong to you - BIG is simply 'handling' them. If you're in it for the quick ISK, by all means, sell the parts straight on the market. In fact this might make our task easier - as those buying up parts, might want to add to the BIG pool regardless (by submitting a large portion of parts they naturally gets a larger part of whichever reward we might recieve). 'Bulk' contributors (those buying up parts) to the BIG pool obviously makes our administrative burden less. Do what you feel is best for you. The 'gamble' atm is, that noone knows how much the empires will be paying for the parts - not to mention what any reward (which only the BIGgest contributors will have a shot at) will be worth. BIG Lottery [u
Oblivious Vox	Posted - 2004.05.18 12:55:00 - [11] Any chance you could consider making four independent pools, one for each faction? This would make it possible to "donate" the body parts to a special faction. As it is now it might very well be that a Minmatar ends up helping the Amarr, or a Caldari the Gallente. I understand four independent pools would be more complex to handle, but I'm quite sure BIG could handle it. You would just have to decide what to do if a faction pool ends up with less than a thousand parts, etc. I guess it's possible for others to start such pools, but BIG has a good reputation and are known to be trustworthy. I would never feel confident with a stranger handling my body parts. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- Lisa: Alright Nelson, what kind of journalism skills do you have? Nelson: I dunno, making nerds cry? Lisa: Perfect! You're our tv critic. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.18 13:25:00 - [12] Edited by: TornSoul on 18/05/2004 13:31:57 As luck will have it, this is excactly how it will be according to the latest news (devblog) Except in the case of Epidermis Sliver. Each empire are 'specializing' in each a body part and wont buy the others (except the Epidermis Sliver which they'll all buy). So if youre not contributing with Epidermis Sliver's - Theres no need for a 'vote', or a concern about supporting an empire you do not wish to support As Epidermis Sliver's apparently are the most common ones (50% of all body parts) - odd's are that we will be able to supply all the empires based on the wishes of the contributors. One important thing to keep in mind is : Although the empires will only buy in bulks, this does not mean they wont buy 1.234 units - So we should not have any problems with 'fractional' parts. All in all a very good turn of events. Original post updated to reflect the news BIG Lottery [u
Tarm	Posted - 2004.05.18 14:56:00 - [13] Edited by: Tarm on 18/05/2004 14:57:02 I think this is an excellent idea. I was searching around for a good way to contribute my jovian bits to something worthwhile intead of just getting rid of them. This allows the "little man" to participate (even if it IS just a little ) -------------------
Kayscha	Posted - 2004.05.18 15:14:00 - [14] Some questions about your otherwise great initiative: - How will you distribute the reward if it turns out to be some privilege for the corporation that needs to be actively exploited (say, exclusive trade options with Jovians) or something else that simply cannot be sold? Will BIG make use of it and share the yields to all donators for all eternity? - Some parts are much more rare than others. What incentive is there for owners of cerebral slices to donate them if they're treated the same way as epidermis slivers if it's quite certain market prices will be a lot higher for brains than skin? - So you will sell body parts to each of the races, either depending on their nature (if it's not an epidermis sliver) or on the donators vote. Will you still sell the whole bunch of epidermis to the race with the most donations (does this include the non-epidermis 'votes'?) or do you plan to now create four pools, one for each race? - If it is the latter, I see some problems. Won't the Minmatar be the certain winner in this case? (Won't they anyway, since their specific parts are so much more common than any of the others'?) What will you do with the unspecified epidermis donations? And won't this effectively lessen chances of BIG accumulating the largest single donation by splitting the epidermis pieces into 4 approximately equal lots? - I have bone splinter but being Amarr i really don't want to support Minamatar. What can I do?
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.18 16:01:00 - [15] Main objective beeing to reward all contributors based on the contributions. Originally by: Kayscha Some questions about your otherwise great initiative: - How will you distribute the reward if it turns out to be some privilege for the corporation that needs to be actively exploited (say, exclusive trade options with Jovians) or something else that simply cannot be sold? Will BIG make use of it and share the yields to all donators for all eternity? Yes. Same as we are doing with The BIG Deal Originally by: Kayscha - Some parts are much more rare than others. What incentive is there for owners of cerebral slices to donate them if they're treated the same way as epidermis slivers if it's quite certain market prices will be a lot higher for brains than skin? - So you will sell body parts to each of the races, either depending on their nature (if it's not an epidermis sliver) or on the donators vote. Will you still sell the whole bunch of epidermis to the race with the most donations (does this include the non-epidermis 'votes'?) or do you plan to now create four pools, one for each race? Epidermis Sliver's are 'special', in the sense that any if the empires will buy these - This is where the 'voting part' comes in. If possible we'll have 4 pools of these, one for each empire (decided by the 'vote' you put in the escrow message) Each of the other pieces will only be bought by one empire. As such each is 'worth' the same with regards to getting a part of the Jovian reward. It also still remains to be seen what prices the empires are paying (I havent had a chance to check the marktes yet - to see if teh buy orders are already up). It might very well be that the ISK buy sum will be different for the different pieces - due to the difference in their availability - and thus you get more ISK for a more 'rare' part. Originally by: Kayscha - If it is the latter, I see some problems. Won't the Minmatar be the certain winner in this case? (Won't they anyway, since their specific parts are so much more common than any of the others'?) What will you do with the unspecified epidermis donations? And won't this effectively lessen chances of BIG accumulating the largest single donation by splitting the epidermis pieces into 4 approximately equal lots? The minmatars beeing the winners or not - is not within our control - We havent made the distribution. Unspecified epidermis donations will be used to 'fill up' pools of epidermis that havent reached the 1000 mark (if that happens) Otherwise they will be distrubted according to the distribution of the other pieces. Ie. if we get twice as many liver's as blood's - we'll put twice as many epidermis into the 'liver pool' as in the 'blood pool' (gastly terminology this ) And no I dont see this decreasing the chance of BIG getting the Jovian price - You incorrectly assume it has to be a 'single' donation. The news text makes no mention of this. Quote: the Jovians will reward those pilots or corporations most prominent in the collection process, So I'm assuming it will be the total sum of donations made. Especially in the light that the Jovians are seen as 'neutral' (ie. not favoring any of the empires). To them it's important getting as many pices as possible, so BIG contributing to all 4 empires would if anything bring us even more in favor with the Jovians (and theyll simply sum up the total BIG contribution) This is ofc all guesswork... But based on the info we have, I'd say it's pretty accurate. Originally by: Kayscha - I have bone splinter but being Amarr i really don't want to support Minamatar. What can I do? If your a loyalist your only option is to trash it - As a bone splinter can only work in favor of the Minmatars. If you are more loyal to your own wallet though - You can add it to the BIG pool. The choice is yours. pweweee - Those where some tough ones to get answered BIG Lottery [u
Drakxter	Posted - 2004.05.18 17:10:00 - [16] Since it seems to be empire wide rewards.. As in the one empire that gets the most parts wins = all the people from that empire wins.. Then I dont see you "BIG" to be able to do this. ------------- Most tired of thing atm: - Mods on the forum saying: "Please use the bug report page to submit bugs, the forum is not the place to post them." and then closing a topic.
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.18 17:13:00 - [17] As already mentioned earlier in this thread, there is actually 3 kinds of prizes. 1) The ISK you get by selling the pieces to the empires. 2) The prize the Jovians will bestow on the empire contributing the most. 3) The prize(s) the Jovians will give to the individuals/corps making the largest contributions.. BIG Lottery [u
Khe Zen'al'Zar	Posted - 2004.05.18 18:01:00 - [18] in case of technology (Blueprints) will we be rewarded with a BPC ?
levitron	Posted - 2004.05.18 18:21:00 - [19] Ive only been playing eve going on 2 months, but i have a couple questions. Where do you find stuff like these parts? I only get things by killing angels and the like, is this where you find the stuff or am i missing some other aspects of this game? I've only received trade items from running missions but I've never seen any kind of body parts anywhere. I'd love to know what I'm missing.
Kayscha	Posted - 2004.05.18 18:29:00 - [20] Thanks for the answers, TS, and sorry if they were difficult to answer. Now seriously considering the donation even if I hate those damn Minmatars. :) Say, anybody here want to trade a bone splinter for a blood drop (after all, it's going to have the same value once you have donated to this initiative)? Nobody? Hmmm... ;)
Kenya	Posted - 2004.05.18 18:38:00 - [21] ok I have not seen this one asked yet in the case of #3 in your last post. What would you say to ppl joining BIG for a day just incase its something real good only your ppl can use/get if there a member of your corp when the turn in happens?
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2004.05.18 19:11:00 - [22] So as of now there is no word on the use of Complex Fullerene shards, as I have one and I'll feel jipped if its worthless. I am the OG PIIIIIMP
Ae0n FlUx	Posted - 2004.05.18 19:52:00 - [23] Edited by: Ae0n FlUx on 18/05/2004 20:22:04 In the spirit of Ae0Ns motto "Ill help you if you trust me" we have decided to try and accomplish the epic feat of collecting as many Jovian Body Parts as possible, in order to restore the Jovian liaison Misu Banyia. However, we will try and accomplish this in a fashion, which will benefit as many citizens as possible in the EVE universe. Instead of one person (or corporation) gaining the sole benefit of any reward that might be offered by the Jovian Empire, Ae0N FlUx will strive to see that as many as possible can gain from this. What we offer to do is the following: We will collect all your Jovian Body Parts, and hold them for you in a common 'pool'. You will still own whichever Jovian Body Parts you have contributed with. Any reward given will simply be split among those contributing to this monumental task (based on their contribution). This way - Even though you only posses 2 Jovian Body Parts, you will still get a chance at a part of the reward. Consider that: Not many will be able to accomplish the task of getting together the required bulk amount of 1000+ Jovian Body Parts.(I cant thats why Im asking YOU to do that for me ) As such - Many many Jovian Body Parts will simply go to waste - Which would be a shame as it will hurt the Jovian attempt to restore their liaison Misu Banyia.(and my attempt to get my corps faction with the Jovians) In our opinion, the more Jovian Body Parts collected - The greater the chance of restoring Misu Banyia and gaining the gratitude of the Jovian Empire.(and if I happen to get a prize that I cant split with everyone that helped..Im sure we will work something oput) So instead of letting your Jovian Body Parts go to waste - Add them to the Ae0n FlUx pool of Jovian Body Parts. How to Join Put up an escrow mission in Yulai lock it to "Aeon Flux" (a member of me myself and I) and set the duration to 7 days. Please put in the message part which Empire you wish to 'support' (ie. "Amarr", "Gallente", "Minmatar" or "Caldari" - or simply put nothing, if this is of no concern to you) The need for a 'vote' is only needed if you are contributing with Epidermis Sliver's - The other body parts are empire specific. Also - Complex Fullerene Shard's are now confirmed to not beeing needed.(just a nothe rlirrle bit of nothing that CCP threw in the mix as usual) Ae0n Flux will then collect all the Jovian Body Parts into a Jovian pool, which will hopefully become the largest in the EVE universe (and thus insure we(you the reader and me AE0N FLUX) together will get any reward given)((as long as its splittable)) If the reward given is not suitable for sharing among all the contributors, Ae0n will make sure to 'liquidate' it,(even though it may not liquidatable..like faction or goodwill or a one of a kind priceless mod or maybe even a chance at becoming Jovian) so that everyone will get ISK instead (maybe via another Ae0n Lottery special - or simply an auction). The reward is of course in addition to whatever ISK value the Jovian Body Parts will be sold for. 'Majority vote'(my majority) will decide which empire the collective pool of Jovian Body Parts will be handed over to. Each Jovian Body Part a participant contributes with will be considered a 'vote' by that participant and the remark on the Escrow mission will determine which empire the participant votes for. Jovian Body Parts put up in escrow without an Empire designation, will be ignored when counting the votes (we will consider the votes as 'abstained'). The progress of the Aeon Jovian Body Part Gathering can be followed here: The Aeon Jovian Body Part Gathering (Just contact me ingame..Ill let you know what the truth is..I promise..TRUUUUST ME) Ok..so..just contact me..and Ill be more than willing to hold your parts..I promise to share whatever I get..(even though it may not be sharable or liquidatable)..in that event...all Ive said is null and void and ill just keep the parts...thaaaaanx..bye. Ae0N FlUx what I would truly like to ask is..Why does BIG think theyre going to get anything that is liquidatable?..or sharable?...if you've got an inside track on this story...let us all in on the BIG story..hmmm?..and before anyone flames me..dont I have the same right to post that proposal?..and its pretty much the same principle?
Kenya	Posted - 2004.05.18 21:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Ae0n FlUx Edited by: Ae0n FlUx on 18/05 Ae0N FlUx what I would truly like to ask is..Why does BIG think theyre going to get anything that is liquidatable?..or sharable?... And thats why I asked if we could join BIG for the day of the hand in :)
TornSoul	Posted - 2004.05.18 22:07:00 - [25] The only prize I at the top of my head can think of that we (BIG) would not be able to share (liquidate) would be a direct increase of char stats (mem, int etc). And tbh... that would be kinda of a shoddy prize (IMO) (And thus I doubt that would be it) Anything else (I atm can think of) can be turned in to ISK if needed. Many others have started to organize collections similar to ours - with the disctintion that most are empire centric - thus cutting themself of from 3/4 of the parts. BIG on the other hand 'goes all the way' in order to ensure we (together with the contributors) becomes the single largest contributors of body parts (encompassing all 4 empires should increase those odds quite a bit) - and this increase our chance of becomming the reciepient of the best of the Jovian rewards (it's hinted that the Joves will pay out more than one) The BIG offer is a offer. It's not the "be all, end all" of offers. Take your pick - Choose whichever offer you feel suits you best (based on RP, odds and whatnot). We make you an offer - Like numerous others have started to do. In the end - The choice is yours, and yours only. Shop around, find the offer you feel gives you the best (chance of a) 'payback'. And each has his/hers defination of a payback... We (ofc ) believe our deal will give everyone contributing the best chance at the best prize from the Jovians, as we are not restricting ourself to just one empire. The choice remain yours. BIG Lottery [u
Shogo	Posted - 2004.05.19 01:42:00 - [26] Bah! Get real, you aren't doing this to be a nice guy, Torn...there is always a hidden agenda, and yours is fairly clear. You are hoping that thousands of players escrow their pieces to your corp, for free, in the hopes that BIG receives the reward. You're not doing this to be a saint, or to truly help others...drop the act, you're wanting to personally gain from this scheme, which is ok...aside from the fact that you're trying to mask your true hopes and intentions in white robes. And someone asked a question about letting all contributors join your corp for the time being, till the prize is awarded. Your answer?
T'ien Fang	Posted - 2004.05.19 01:46:00 - [27] Aeon, as TornSoul is too modest to point out, BIG corporation has actually EARNED the trust of the EVE community with their regular lottery and all around good behavior. Unlike you, some nameless shmuck that no one has ever heard of, they have actually garnered enough good-will to pull something like this off. So while you may have just as much "right" as BIG to make this offer, your point is trite and ill-informed when you consider the effort BIG has put into making a known and trusted name for themselves.
Sidney AlZahir	Posted - 2004.05.19 02:22:00 - [28] Edited by: Sidney AlZahir on 19/05/2004 02:27:29 Originally by: TornSoul Many others have started to organize collections similar to ours - with the disctintion that most are empire centric - thus cutting themself of from 3/4 of the parts. BIG on the other hand 'goes all the way' in order to ensure we (together with the contributors) becomes the single largest contributors of body parts (encompassing all 4 empires should increase those odds quite a bit) - and this increase our chance of becomming the reciepient of the best of the Jovian rewards (it's hinted that the Joves will pay out more than one) And, this is why our small corporation chose BIG for the Jovian effort. Other offers were sketchy (at best) and didn't seem as well organized or thought through. Thanks, TornSoul (and all of BIG) for making our little group's choice simple and easy. Sidney AlZahir Klauen Corporation
CaptMorgan	Posted - 2004.05.19 08:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Shogo Bah! Get real, you aren't doing this to be a nice guy, Torn...there is always a hidden agenda, and yours is fairly clear. You are hoping that thousands of players escrow their pieces to your corp, for free, in the hopes that BIG receives the reward. You're not doing this to be a saint, or to truly help others...drop the act, you're wanting to personally gain from this scheme, which is ok...aside from the fact that you're trying to mask your true hopes and intentions in white robes. And someone asked a question about letting all contributors join your corp for the time being, till the prize is awarded. Your answer? If this were true big wouldnt survive the wars to follow. Just wouldnt be a bright idea. If theres any corp i would trust it would have to be big... And i was reluctant to give mine to my corp! Rum.com Hadean Drive Yards Your Civilian Auto Cannon perfectly strikes Sansha's Servant Ship, wrecking for 987,547,415.3 damage.
Darial	Posted - 2004.05.19 09:40:00 - [30] Tornsoul, Do you have someone in Fountain that we can give our parts to so we can contribute without travelling to empire ?

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