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Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:01:00 -
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Goon Bot policy: Dont shoot
Goons are confirmed to be blue to biggest RTM alliance in eve; shadow of XXDEATHXX |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
343
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:06:00 -
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RTM = Real Time Machine? Right To Mate? Red Trains Mummy? Rub The Mittani? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:11:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:Goon Bot policy: Dont shoot
Goons are confirmed to be blue to biggest RTM alliance in eve; shadow of XXDEATHXX
It's always dark under a lamp and considering that CCP literally is cooperating (all those posts about goon working for CCP) with them then what do you expect? Information is the key and once you have a "loyal" insider you learn how to avoid things. All thos hi sec what ever they do is just a smoke screen to get as much ISK as possible befoe the ultimate banhammer hits. Look at all auction portals. Somebody selling 99 ******* plexes got to be in a large alliances. |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
148
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:11:00 -
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:17:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:RTM = Real Time Machine? Right To Mate? Red Trains Mummy? Rub The Mittani?
Is it number 2? Vote Issler Dainze for CSM7! http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=470
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
343
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:25:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Rico Minali wrote:RTM = Real Time Machine? Right To Mate? Red Trains Mummy? Rub The Mittani? Is it number 2?
Sadly no, you dont get a prize. The correct answer is of course number 4, Rub The Mittani
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
442
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Posted - 2012.03.14 12:00:00 -
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Yay you get a prize.
If you are going to troll the Goons please try to do it properly. Regardless of whether they RMT this just comes across as CSM negative campaining and as everyone knows Negative campaining only works in America as only Middle America is dumb enough to believe it. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
451
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Posted - 2012.03.14 12:26:00 -
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they are not shooting potential bots = they must be RMTing?
based on personal experience I would expect the majority of botters not to be engaged in RMT at all - most I have encountered so far bot for additional ISK income (more often than not to finance supercaps).
Maybe the RMT guys are responsible for a disproportionally large share of bots but the connection "botting=RMT" is fallacious and ignores "casual" botting (90% of people you see posting on bot forums) completely.
I don't quite follow your "it's your duty to play GM" argument by the way - if you feel annoyed by bots you can report them to CCP and no alliance policy can stop you from doing it (in fact unless you're a dramawhore nobody but you and CCP will ever know about it). It's up to CCP to determine whether your suspicions are correct based on their various detection methods and hand out bans as necessary. Running around to shoot people that might be bots does not make a big practical difference in the fight against bots but carries the potential for a lot of diplomatic conflicts and immense drama in case of false positives. |
Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.14 12:35:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:Goon Bot policy: Dont shoot
Goons are confirmed to be blue to biggest RTM alliance in eve; shadow of XXDEATHXX blue to xxdeath? mayby on sisi People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:40:00 -
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confirmed how? by you spergeposting? |
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Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:42:00 -
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Confirming that 99% players in high sec do not shoot bots. All of them must be involved in "Rub The Mittani" one way or another. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
20
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:47:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote: ... Rub The Mittani?
D@mn you! I almost spit coffee on my keyboard on that one!
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
982
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:51:00 -
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I motion that "eve online" be renamed to "Rub the Mittani online" The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
132
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:59:00 -
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Confirming most major alliances (specially within the CFC) has this rule, honestly I don't care though :D I remmeber one time a old corp mate of mine decided to go bot killing while we were in Test Alliance, this turned into a giant diplomatic incident and the guy was kicked from the corp and alliance (we were supporting him, until he started being loud mouthing when we told him to shut up and let us handle it)
well, heres the funny thing.... the botter he had killed turned out to be the alt of the military director of test alliance at the time, Leetcheese :), not long after leetcheese was busted by CCP and was banned for a little while... + getting a minus on his account (a few billion)
The actual policy of the alliances is... it's not their job to police botting which is understanding and makes sense. but they are at the same time protecting them, and shielding them from harm
I would suggest you think a large entity is botting, then get a alt in their alliance, or blue friends... and then fly around looking for bots... then simply report them when you confirm they are infact bots.. and then move on to find some more
(you can come back and kill them later when your sure you found them all) |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:11:00 -
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DON'T ASK DON'T TELL One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you. |
Alaura Aquila
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:20:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:RTM = Real Time Machine? Right To Mate? Red Trains Mummy? Rub The Mittani?
He obviously means "Read The Manual". |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
317
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:16:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:they are not shooting potential bots = they must be RMTing?
based on personal experience I would expect the majority of botters not to be engaged in RMT at all - most I have encountered so far bot for additional ISK income (more often than not to finance supercaps).
Maybe the RMT guys are responsible for a disproportionally large share of bots but the connection "botting=RMT" is fallacious and ignores "casual" botting (90% of people you see posting on bot forums) completely.
I don't quite follow your "it's your duty to play GM" argument by the way - if you feel annoyed by bots you can report them to CCP and no alliance policy can stop you from doing it (in fact unless you're a dramawhore nobody but you and CCP will ever know about it). It's up to CCP to determine whether your suspicions are correct based on their various detection methods and hand out bans as necessary. Running around to shoot people that might be bots does not make a big practical difference in the fight against bots but carries the potential for a lot of diplomatic conflicts and immense drama in case of false positives.
Yeah because most ppl earn in a month about 170 euro. Bots can bot 60 mil per hour for 23 hours a day. Thats 1,3b isk. About 2 plexes a day = 30 euro. Lets say they rtm it for half the price, 7,5 euro for 500 mil. Thats in 30 days 450 euro.
So with 1 bot they can make about 3 times a monthly salary..... ask youselve.... if you could make with 1 bot 1500 x 3 = 4500 euro a month..... would you do it?
I bet someone of goonswarm is getting a new car..... CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
10
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:31:00 -
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Ok, someone left the door of CAOD open again. You can't do that CCP! Else they run around peeing all over the place and gnaw on the furniture! [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif[/img]
This needs fixin' |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
852
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:17:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:they are not shooting potential bots = they must be RMTing?
based on personal experience I would expect the majority of botters not to be engaged in RMT at all - most I have encountered so far bot for additional ISK income (more often than not to finance supercaps).
Maybe the RMT guys are responsible for a disproportionally large share of bots but the connection "botting=RMT" is fallacious and ignores "casual" botting (90% of people you see posting on bot forums) completely.
I don't quite follow your "it's your duty to play GM" argument by the way - if you feel annoyed by bots you can report them to CCP and no alliance policy can stop you from doing it (in fact unless you're a dramawhore nobody but you and CCP will ever know about it). It's up to CCP to determine whether your suspicions are correct based on their various detection methods and hand out bans as necessary. Running around to shoot people that might be bots does not make a big practical difference in the fight against bots but carries the potential for a lot of diplomatic conflicts and immense drama in case of false positives. Yeah because most ppl earn in a month about 170 euro. Bots can bot 60 mil per hour for 23 hours a day. Thats 1,3b isk. About 2 plexes a day = 30 euro. Lets say they rtm it for half the price, 7,5 euro for 500 mil. Thats in 30 days 450 euro. So with 1 bot they can make about 3 times a monthly salary..... ask youselve.... if you could make with 1 bot 1500 x 3 = 4500 euro a month..... would you do it? I bet someone of goonswarm is getting a new car.....
I'm sure this is all first hand experience, what with you being in -A- and all. |
Xenuria
Center Haus
449
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:19:00 -
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I was in shadow of death and it was full of moon speak. Then we lost all our space to reds because goonswarm was not competent enough to defend our allies. Vote Xenuria CSM7 |
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:35:00 -
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What's your point OP? Am I supposed to be outraged? I think we all know the major alliances quietly support RMT, botting, and other such endeavours to fund what's considered the fun part of EVE by their membership. That's PVP. Sure. CCP could fix so many of the problems with their game if they really cracked down on botting and got rid of multi-boxing. It's not going to happen though because they would lose too much income per month and likely couldn't keep EVE a'float for us to play that way. Game is what it is. Deal with it bro. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
26
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Posted - 2012.03.15 22:40:00 -
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@OP If you have any evidence of said RTMing, or RMTing, that you submit it at once to CCP. Whining about it here on the forums is basically you just crying wolf.
edit: I don't think that CCP will be as concerned about Goonswarm trying to Return to Manufacturer. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.03.15 22:48:00 -
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Relativistic Teller Machine.
Because it warps faster than light. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Aggressive Nutmeg
128
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:04:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:...everyone knows Negative campaining only works in America as only Middle America is dumb enough to believe it. America has different shades of dumb?
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Sendo Jarix
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:04:00 -
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Confirming turbonigger |
Sloppy Podfarts
Hedion University Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:20:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:RTM = Red Trains Mummy?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3131
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:25:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote:What's your point OP? Am I supposed to be outraged? I think we all know the major alliances quietly support RMT, botting, and other such endeavours to fund what's considered the fun part of EVE by their membership. That's PVP. Sure. CCP could fix so many of the problems with their game if they really cracked down on botting and got rid of multi-boxing. It's not going to happen though because they would lose too much income per month and likely couldn't keep EVE a'float for us to play that way. Game is what it is. Deal with it bro.
2000 bot accounts were never banned nope "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3131
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:27:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:I don't quite follow your "it's your duty to play GM" argument by the way - if you feel annoyed by bots you can report them to CCP and no alliance policy can stop you from doing it (in fact unless you're a dramawhore nobody but you and CCP will ever know about it). It's up to CCP to determine whether your suspicions are correct based on their various detection methods and hand out bans as necessary. Running around to shoot people that might be bots does not make a big practical difference in the fight against bots but carries the potential for a lot of diplomatic conflicts and immense drama in case of false positives.
this is correct, people do not pay for this game to go around playing CCP's cop "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:05:00 -
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Andski wrote:Kai Tel wrote:What's your point OP? Am I supposed to be outraged? I think we all know the major alliances quietly support RMT, botting, and other such endeavours to fund what's considered the fun part of EVE by their membership. That's PVP. Sure. CCP could fix so many of the problems with their game if they really cracked down on botting and got rid of multi-boxing. It's not going to happen though because they would lose too much income per month and likely couldn't keep EVE a'float for us to play that way. Game is what it is. Deal with it bro. 2000 bot accounts were never banned nope
Nope. DidnGÇÖt happen. CCP didnGÇÖt achieve that number per their own dev blog. More temp bans and it's still not and nowhere near enough. Its' their game, they control it, and can put an end to whatever they want to through the code. They did just enough to look good without really changing anything. They dented a few bot ops and a Goon dev might have been too selective in his alliance targeting. Typical stuff in Eve but at least the corruption is honest. |
Endeavour Starfleet
704
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:I don't quite follow your "it's your duty to play GM" argument by the way - if you feel annoyed by bots you can report them to CCP and no alliance policy can stop you from doing it (in fact unless you're a dramawhore nobody but you and CCP will ever know about it). It's up to CCP to determine whether your suspicions are correct based on their various detection methods and hand out bans as necessary. Running around to shoot people that might be bots does not make a big practical difference in the fight against bots but carries the potential for a lot of diplomatic conflicts and immense drama in case of false positives. this is correct, people do not pay for this game to go around playing CCP's cop
I can understand not shooting blue bots (You cant be 100 percent sure I guess) Yet you are not saying you actively discourage bot reporting are you?
Let me put it in another way.
Scn A) Goons just say don't shoot blues. You personally don't report bots because you feel CCP should autodetect them or something? Which is a personal choice not an alliance policy.
Scn B) The rumor that Goons actively discourage members from reporting blue bot activities. Or say that Goon bots help goons so they should not be reported.
Which one is more correct? |
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
385
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:37:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:I don't quite follow your "it's your duty to play GM" argument by the way - if you feel annoyed by bots you can report them to CCP and no alliance policy can stop you from doing it (in fact unless you're a dramawhore nobody but you and CCP will ever know about it). It's up to CCP to determine whether your suspicions are correct based on their various detection methods and hand out bans as necessary. Running around to shoot people that might be bots does not make a big practical difference in the fight against bots but carries the potential for a lot of diplomatic conflicts and immense drama in case of false positives. this is correct, people do not pay for this game to go around playing CCP's cop I can understand not shooting blue bots (You cant be 100 percent sure I guess) Yet you are not saying you actively discourage bot reporting are you? Let me put it in another way. Scn A) Goons just say don't shoot blues. You personally don't report bots because you feel CCP should autodetect them or something? Which is a personal choice not an alliance policy. Scn B) The rumor that Goons actively discourage members from reporting blue bot activities. Or say that Goon bots help goons so they should not be reported. Which one is more correct?
If Scn B) is correct, then nobody from goonswarm is going to confirm it. Despite the Goon ethos, I wouldn't believe Scn B) unless there were leaked forums which confirmed it. And let's be honest, it isn't THAT difficult to get into Goonswarm. If there really was an official rule somewhere, a spy would have done a forum dump and put it out into the public for all to see. |
SpaceSquirrels
268
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Posted - 2012.03.16 02:51:00 -
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Ignoring it and supporting it aren't synonymous. Wasn't there a thread awhile ago stating their policy was to not narc anyone out? It was CCP's job to deal with it...
I'm not saying it's right, but how often do you narc out a friend in real life... now this is a game so even less incentive to do so. Lets face it more people than Goons in this game ignore bots. Whats the difference between a guy in high sec ignoring it, and a guy in null doing the same?
Once again not condoning it rather stating it is what it is.
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Endeavour Starfleet
704
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Posted - 2012.03.16 03:18:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:Ignoring it and supporting it aren't synonymous. Wasn't there a thread awhile ago stating their policy was to not narc anyone out? It was CCP's job to deal with it...
I'm not saying it's right, but how often do you narc out a friend in real life... now this is a game so even less incentive to do so. Lets face it more people than Goons in this game ignore bots. Whats the difference between a guy in high sec ignoring it, and a guy in null doing the same?
Once again not condoning it rather stating it is what it is.
Bots are unfair to other blues and harm the game for everyone. I have heard rumors of a "No report" policy but I want to hear it directly from them about the subject.
All I hope they do is if its painfully obvious someone is botting just report it. No need to bot hunt or take any real time to do it. Even if they are forced to act more human it will be better because if most bots have to do that it will really reduce bot output into the game. |
Endeavour Starfleet
705
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Posted - 2012.03.17 04:48:00 -
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Goons. Can I get an answer please? |
Holy One
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
174
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Posted - 2012.03.17 05:20:00 -
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this is absolute nonsense. you'll be telling me there aren't any new players in eve next. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
29
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Posted - 2012.03.17 06:22:00 -
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paraphrasing The Mittani wrote:It is policy to not report blues. However, since it is all anonymous there is nothing to stop someone from reporting another goon. If a person reports a blue and keeps their mouth shut about it, nothing will happen. If they go blabbing about it, they are asking for trouble.
CCP Sreegs is in charge of taking care of the bot problem. He gets paid for this. We would rather let him do his job than try and do it for him and take that money ourtof his pocket. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
455
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Posted - 2012.03.17 06:31:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Goons. Can I get an answer please? http://www.evenews24.com/2011/09/28/endie-goonswarm-federation-alliance-update-september-28th/
section about Blue-On-Blue Violence
tl;dr "we have one rule in Goonswarm: we donGÇÖt **** other goons" |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
234
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Posted - 2012.03.17 06:57:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:"omg they tell people not to report each other" : an unenforceable policy is just that - unenforceable. If you feel the compulsion to inform people how you just reported their characters then your main purpose is drama, not making eve a better place. Nobody can stop you from doing the part that matters (hitting the report button) but if you feel the need to go the extra mile to destabilize your own alliance (by provoking unnecessary conflict) then expect to be treated accordingly. I think that's a reasonable policy. Pft, if they wanted drama they could come on here and post on an NPC alt. "GOONIES botting ISKIES" Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Endeavour Starfleet
705
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Posted - 2012.03.17 07:57:00 -
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Again I do not think in game attacking a blue because you think he/she is botting is the solution. I only care about the reporting part.
Again what scn that I described above is correct goons? A or B? |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.17 09:23:00 -
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Taihbea wrote:Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:Goon Bot policy: Dont shoot
Goons are confirmed to be blue to biggest RTM alliance in eve; shadow of XXDEATHXX It's always dark under a lamp and considering that CCP literally is cooperating (all those posts about goon working for CCP) with them then what do you expect? Information is the key and once you have a "loyal" insider you learn how to avoid things. All thos hi sec what ever they do is just a smoke screen to get as much ISK as possible befoe the ultimate banhammer hits. Look at all auction portals. Somebody selling 99 ******* plexes got to be in a large alliance. And if you are quet about it you usually get a share. **** all of them but what can you do? CCP sucks at many levels and they don't seem to care.
I think you forgot to take your seroquel and/or thorazine today. |
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
423
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Posted - 2012.03.17 09:35:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:I don't quite follow your "it's your duty to play GM" argument by the way - if you feel annoyed by bots you can report them to CCP and no alliance policy can stop you from doing it (in fact unless you're a dramawhore nobody but you and CCP will ever know about it). It's up to CCP to determine whether your suspicions are correct based on their various detection methods and hand out bans as necessary. Running around to shoot people that might be bots does not make a big practical difference in the fight against bots but carries the potential for a lot of diplomatic conflicts and immense drama in case of false positives. this is correct, people do not pay for this game to go around playing CCP's cop I can understand not shooting blue bots (You cant be 100 percent sure I guess) Yet you are not saying you actively discourage bot reporting are you? Let me put it in another way. Scn A) Goons just say don't shoot blues. You personally don't report bots because you feel CCP should autodetect them or something? Which is a personal choice not an alliance policy. Scn B) The rumor that Goons actively discourage members from reporting blue bot activities. Or say that Goon bots help goons so they should not be reported. Which one is more correct?
I am against shooting a blue bot.
I do not posses, nor does anyone in my alliance, the tools to detect a bot. That is CCP's job.
A) We shoot blues all the time in Fatal Ascension, we've become quite known for it and encourage it. It keeps our friends on their toes (/troll). However, with bots, yes, it's CCP's job to detect them. Not the player's. I have no defined way to know for sure that the person I'm shooting is a bot or a really efficient ratter with blinders on.
B) MANY null sec alliances do not encourage reporting bots as we are brotherhoods in nullsec. We are groups of people who work together to accomplish goals. Those goals diminish when we start sending out witch hunts on our own pilots.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3181
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:33:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I can understand not shooting blue bots (You cant be 100 percent sure I guess) Yet you are not saying you actively discourage bot reporting are you?
Let me put it in another way.
Scn A) Goons just say don't shoot blues. You personally don't report bots because you feel CCP should autodetect them or something? Which is a personal choice not an alliance policy.
Scn B) The rumor that Goons actively discourage members from reporting blue bot activities. Or say that Goon bots help goons so they should not be reported.
Which one is more correct?
Ask yourself how we'd enforce a rule against reporting blue bots. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Endeavour Starfleet
705
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Posted - 2012.03.18 03:15:00 -
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Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I can understand not shooting blue bots (You cant be 100 percent sure I guess) Yet you are not saying you actively discourage bot reporting are you?
Let me put it in another way.
Scn A) Goons just say don't shoot blues. You personally don't report bots because you feel CCP should autodetect them or something? Which is a personal choice not an alliance policy.
Scn B) The rumor that Goons actively discourage members from reporting blue bot activities. Or say that Goon bots help goons so they should not be reported.
Which one is more correct? Ask yourself how we'd enforce a rule against reporting blue bots.
Well I would assume you could not unless your goons were dumb enough to state they had reported a bot. Yet I am not asking about enforcement. Just if it is stated. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1931
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Posted - 2012.03.18 06:53:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Just if it is stated.
Yes it is.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
705
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:32:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Just if it is stated. Yes it is.
Thank you for being clear on the subject.
Could you please remove that policy? No need to discourage those who care to report right? I accept that actually working to report bots sucks so no issues being neutral. It's just the stated do not report is kinda bad don't you think? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1931
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Posted - 2012.03.18 08:59:00 -
[46] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Could you please remove that policy?
Nope. It is CCP's job to enforce their own rules.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
705
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:16:00 -
[47] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Could you please remove that policy? Nope. It is CCP's job to enforce their own rules.
I understand job but why actively discourage people from reporting blues? I mean I can understand saying "we don't care either way" but "Do not report" is kinda bad isn't it? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1931
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:25:00 -
[48] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Could you please remove that policy? Nope. It is CCP's job to enforce their own rules. I understand job but why actively discourage people from reporting blues? I mean I can understand saying "we don't care either way" but "Do not report" is kinda bad isn't it?
Right after the "report bot" feature was put into the game we had an incident where some members of a friendly alliance misunderstood the ratting rights system we have in place and took exception to a Goon who was in local with them. They all reported him as a bot thinking they could abuse the new system to free up their precious belts.
The Goon in question was docked and had been for several hours.
The botting rules were put in place by CCP and enforcement is their responsibility.
None of this means that Goonswarm is "supporting RTM(lol) operations".
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
705
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:31:00 -
[49] - Quote
CCP has stated that abuse of report botting will be handled. Was this docked pilot banned or had action taken against?
If no do you know if the people who did the reporting were responded to by ccp? Temp bans or the like? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1932
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:37:00 -
[50] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:CCP has stated that abuse of report botting will be handled. Was this docked pilot banned or had action taken against?
If no do you know if the people who did the reporting were responded to by ccp? Temp bans or the like?
CCP doesn't comment on actions taken against people who abuse their game. But I'm sure you'll agree that in a coalition of our size it's easier to just let CCP handle the enforcement of their own rules.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:46:00 -
[51] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:RTM = Real Time Machine? Right To Mate? Red Trains Mummy? Rub The Mittani?
It's on purpose, like the we are feed up thread. Free bumps from comments like yours.
**** Bots |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
945
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Posted - 2012.03.18 09:52:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: But I'm sure you'll agree that in a coalition of our size it's easier to just let CCP handle the enforcement of their own rules.
The irony being that when the little bees and their pets go on a griefing rampage it's "for the good of the game because we're getting rid of bots".
Go back to your little hidy hole and let CCP take care of it. Or do something about it. Just stop looking the other way when it's one of your blues.
Do something constructive like start a war. God only knows, the economy needs one.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Endeavour Starfleet
705
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Posted - 2012.03.18 10:01:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:CCP has stated that abuse of report botting will be handled. Was this docked pilot banned or had action taken against?
If no do you know if the people who did the reporting were responded to by ccp? Temp bans or the like? CCP doesn't comment on actions taken against people who abuse their game. But I'm sure you'll agree that in a coalition of our size it's easier to just let CCP handle the enforcement of their own rules.
I will agree that the situation is indeed complicated. You could also I guess interpret your stance as "We let the spies in our midist do the reporting instead" Perhaps? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:45:00 -
[54] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:The irony being that when the little bees and their pets go on a griefing rampage it's "for the good of the game because we're getting rid of bots".
People say this just to troll you. Besides we don't go on griefing rampages since griefing is against the ToS.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1936
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:48:00 -
[55] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:CCP has stated that abuse of report botting will be handled. Was this docked pilot banned or had action taken against?
If no do you know if the people who did the reporting were responded to by ccp? Temp bans or the like? CCP doesn't comment on actions taken against people who abuse their game. But I'm sure you'll agree that in a coalition of our size it's easier to just let CCP handle the enforcement of their own rules. I will agree that the situation is indeed complicated. You could also I guess interpret your stance as "We let the spies in our midist do the reporting instead" Perhaps?
You could interpret our stance that way if you still have no clue what our stance is I guess. You're trying to over-complicate the issue for some reason...I'm assuming you have some silly agenda. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
349
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Posted - 2012.03.18 11:52:00 -
[56] - Quote
Well, I guess I'm glad I left the alliance who was in cahoots with that aforementioned alliance of supposed botters.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Cain Blazed
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.18 13:04:00 -
[57] - Quote
Yee, goons like their bots! And when you try report them to ccp, nothing happens. |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
Members of a group overlooking offenses from their fellow members due to esprit de corp? Like, for example, highsec miners happily mining among bots without reporting them? Will I ever. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
887
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:Goon Bot policy: Dont shoot
Goons are confirmed to be blue to biggest RTM alliance in eve; shadow of XXDEATHXX
This song was made 4U
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
637
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:48:00 -
[60] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:Goon Bot policy: Dont shoot
Goons are confirmed to be blue to biggest RTM alliance in eve; shadow of XXDEATHXX It's always dark under a lamp and considering that CCP literally is cooperating (all those posts about goon working for CCP) with them then what do you expect? Information is the key and once you have a "loyal" insider you learn how to avoid things. All thos hi sec what ever they do is just a smoke screen to get as much ISK as possible befoe the ultimate banhammer hits. Look at all auction portals. Somebody selling 99 ******* plexes got to be in a large alliance. And if you are quet about it you usually get a share. **** all of them but what can you do? CCP sucks at many levels and they don't seem to care.
this guy has it spot on
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Prince Kobol
249
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:08:00 -
[61] - Quote
Yes people bot and yes people are involved in RMT.
You will find botters in every part of space, in NPC Corps, in players corps and alliances thought out all of Eve
However just because the Goons have a policy of Not reporting Blue's that doesn't mean ****.
Are there people in the goons that bot, perhaps, do they have members involved in RMT, possible, but the same could be said for every corp and alliance in Eve.
As much as I hate botters and people involved in RMT I will never accuse any person or group unless I have proof.
Also on a side note you will ultimate find that those who are involved in RMT will inevitable end up shitting on each other.
People who are in involved in RMT are usually greedy selfish bastards who only give a **** about themselves and the second they find somebody else is making more money then themselves they will do everything to make sure that person fails.
What I see with the goons is a large group of players who all have a great sense of comradeship and will always stick together no matter what and well played to them.
If you are utterly convinced that a corp or alliance are involved in mass botting in null then there is a simple and effective way you can hurt them.
Get a T3, fit with CovOps cloak, and an interdiction nullifier, warp stabs and tank the **** out of it. Then go to dotlan and find a system with a high ration of NPC kills to Jumps such as this one
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/JA-O6J - 100 Jumps and 7135 NPC kills in the last 24 hours
and pay them a visit.
If they are in high sec then just grab yourself a load of dessies and go hunting :)
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Andski
GoonWaffe
3220
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:13:00 -
[62] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Just if it is stated. Yes it is. Thank you for being clear on the subject. Could you please remove that policy? No need to discourage those who care to report right? I accept that actually working to report bots sucks so no issues being neutral. It's just the stated do not report is kinda bad don't you think?
Not my call or "Ladie Harlot's", and even if it was, I wouldn't do away with the policy because people piping up about how they reported bots just leads to drama. If they do it quietly, it's between them and CCP - otherwise, if they want to start drama, they can rightly get the **** out. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1938
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:20:00 -
[63] - Quote
Cain Blazed wrote:Yee, goons like their bots! And when you try report them to ccp, nothing happens.
This is not true. Those erroneous reports get laughed at before they are deleted.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
294
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:34:00 -
[64] - Quote
yeah... groundbreaking news here.
took me all of 2 weeks before i saw people discussing their botting habbits in goons jabber. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1938
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:35:00 -
[65] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:yeah... groundbreaking news here.
took me all of 2 weeks before i saw people discussing their botting habbits in goons jabber.
I think you meant our botting hobbits.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
236
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:03:00 -
[66] - Quote
Andski wrote:people piping up about how they reported bots just leads to drama. If they do it quietly, it's between them and CCP - otherwise, if they want to start drama, they can rightly get the **** out. And there's nothing spais love more than drama except perhaps opsec intel. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
359
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Posted - 2012.03.19 03:59:00 -
[67] - Quote
I wonder how pubbies think I'm supposed to even notice whether someone is botting or not. I look at local to see if everyone's blue. I don't really have time to go around and figure out who is doing what, where, and if I did, how would I even be able to tell if they were botting besides being annoyingly nosy?
So describe to me this imaginary scenario in which I've noticed someone botting. I really want to know how you think that would work. Keep in mind that very few people mine in 0.0, and that people who rat don't do so in a belt where someone else is ratting. |
Cipher Jones
363
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:22:00 -
[68] - Quote
Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:Goon Bot policy: Dont shoot
Goons are confirmed to be blue to biggest RTM alliance in eve; shadow of XXDEATHXX
1. Name your ship alt goon bot 2. rat in goonsec 3. profit!
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
Endeavour Starfleet
706
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:14:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:CCP has stated that abuse of report botting will be handled. Was this docked pilot banned or had action taken against?
If no do you know if the people who did the reporting were responded to by ccp? Temp bans or the like? CCP doesn't comment on actions taken against people who abuse their game. But I'm sure you'll agree that in a coalition of our size it's easier to just let CCP handle the enforcement of their own rules. I will agree that the situation is indeed complicated. You could also I guess interpret your stance as "We let the spies in our midist do the reporting instead" Perhaps? You could interpret our stance that way if you still have no clue what our stance is I guess. You're trying to over-complicate the issue for some reason...I'm assuming you have some silly agenda.
Yes I do have an agenda. To bring to light how completely crap the current systems are when it comes to handling nullsec botting.
Reading how the goons have to deal with abuse of the anti-bot system it shows how an RMT or other botter can abuse that with a little incentive here in there to keep others quiet about his/her activities.
My agenda isn't the goons. It is nullsec as a whole becoming a breeding ground for EULA breaking crap. And it becomes even worse with AFK-Cloaking where legit players eventually give up and turn to botting in desperation.
Along with encouragements to blue bot reporting. There needs to be a serious effort into bot detection (Including behavioral) The over 30T in bounties in the last price index shows how bad this is. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6192
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:16:00 -
[70] - Quote
There's nothing wrong with AFK cloaking. Deal with it. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6192
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:17:00 -
[71] - Quote
OH MAN THIS SHIP WHICH IS NOT BEING PILOTED IS ~COMPLETELY~ DISRUPTING MY GAMEPLAY The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
294
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:23:00 -
[72] - Quote
Speaking of cloaking... its the best way to deal with botters. Bots automatically log out the moment anyone enters local. Just drop an afk cloak in there. 5 hours later when the guy notices his bot isnt logging in and tries to move to another system... you can catch him on a gate |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6192
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:33:00 -
[73] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Speaking of cloaking... its the best way to deal with botters. Bots automatically log out the moment anyone enters local. Just drop an afk cloak in there. 5 hours later when the guy notices his bot isnt logging in and tries to move to another system... you can catch him on a gate
Stop being so sensible, this is a 'throw hysterical accusations at goons and eat paste' thread.
Here, have some paste. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Endeavour Starfleet
706
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:39:00 -
[74] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Speaking of cloaking... its the best way to deal with botters. Bots automatically log out the moment anyone enters local. Just drop an afk cloak in there. 5 hours later when the guy notices his bot isnt logging in and tries to move to another system... you can catch him on a gate
30T in bounties in a month. AFK Cloaking isn't stopping botting in the least bit. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:43:00 -
[75] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Speaking of cloaking... its the best way to deal with botters. Bots automatically log out the moment anyone enters local. Just drop an afk cloak in there. 5 hours later when the guy notices his bot isnt logging in and tries to move to another system... you can catch him on a gate 30T in bounties in a month. AFK Cloaking isn't stopping botting in the least bit.
Stop hogging all the goddamn paste. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
73
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:01:00 -
[76] - Quote
Mittens, being the queen/king bee, is it true your paste is 100% organic and tastes like honey? And if so, can I haz some?
Oh, and this thread is now about paste. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3232
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:25:00 -
[77] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Speaking of cloaking... its the best way to deal with botters. Bots automatically log out the moment anyone enters local. Just drop an afk cloak in there. 5 hours later when the guy notices his bot isnt logging in and tries to move to another system... you can catch him on a gate 30T in bounties in a month. AFK Cloaking isn't stopping botting in the least bit.
hey hisec incursion runner did you know that a substantial amount of bounties come from missions?
what a shock "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
180
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Posted - 2012.03.20 04:10:00 -
[78] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Yes people bot and yes people are involved in RMT. You will find botters in every part of space, in NPC Corps, in players corps and alliances thought out all of Eve However just because the Goons have a policy of Not reporting Blue's that doesn't mean ****. Are there people in the goons that bot, perhaps, do they have members involved in RMT, possible, but the same could be said for every corp and alliance in Eve. As much as I hate botters and people involved in RMT I will never accuse any person or group unless I have proof. Also on a side note you will ultimate find that those who are involved in RMT will inevitable end up shitting on each other. People who are in involved in RMT are usually greedy selfish bastards who only give a **** about themselves and the second they find somebody else is making more money then themselves they will do everything to make sure that person fails. What I see with the goons is a large group of players who all have a great sense of comradeship and will always stick together no matter what and well played to them. If you are utterly convinced that a corp or alliance are involved in mass botting in null then there is a simple and effective way you can hurt them. Get a T3, fit with CovOps cloak, and an interdiction nullifier, warp stabs and tank the **** out of it. Then go to dotlan and find a system with a high ration of NPC kills to Jumps such as this one http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/JA-O6J - 100 Jumps and 7135 NPC kills in the last 24 hours and pay them a visit. If they are in high sec then just grab yourself a load of dessies and go hunting :)
Try http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/L-B55M or its neighbors. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
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