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Monsara Federation Zone Operations Command	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:22:00 - [1] Logged in today to see a set of behaviors classified as a sploit (taking larger-than-allowed ships to FW complexes), but I would still like more deets please. Are we prohibited from using sneaky game mechanic-tactics to get into complexes or prohibited from taking ships larger-than-allowed to the acceleration gate at all? An interested party would like to know.
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.03 16:39:00 - [2] AFAIK the acceleration gate limits the size of ships that can enter the complex. Any ship can warp to the acceleration gate. In all the complexes we have done, there have been no restricted ships present!
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:02:00 - [3] I would like to know as well... Is it allowed, for example, to sit in a Deimos or Brutix at a level 1 acceleration gate and wait for evil slavers? An answer would be appreciated, the GM notice is VERY thin. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
Ulstan Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:26:00 - [4] Quote: Are we prohibited from using sneaky game mechanic-tactics to get into complexes Almost certainly. Quote: or prohibited from taking ships larger-than-allowed to the acceleration gate at all That should be fine.
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:32:00 - [5] I believe people are getting confused. There is a way, that using a fast ship, you can fly the 10,000km to the deadspace pocket. By doing so, you arent restricted by the gate itself. However, this has always been the case, and always is made public etc (hence my posting here). So in that regards, i dont believe it is an exploit as such. As to whether its a good tactic, i dont believe it is. But folks will always exploit loopholes. Any official word CCP?
Kell Archer	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:24:00 - [6] Edited by: Kell Archer on 03/07/2008 18:27:16 Quote: Are we prohibited from using sneaky game mechanic-tactics to get into complexes or prohibited from taking ships larger-than-allowed to the acceleration gate at all? An interested party would like to know. Taking a large ship to the acceleration gate isn't an exploit afaik. Taking a large ship that cannot use the acceleration gate but uses other methods to get into the complex has been deemed as an exploit according to the news item on the log-in page.
Waxau Unus - Vir Exercitus	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:46:00 - [7] Edited by: Waxau on 03/07/2008 18:47:41 Bad damn my sad life - Been logged in so long, i didnt see it get posted :D Confirmed however: Quote: Exploit notification reported by: GM Grimmi \| 2008.07.03 15:14:10 Flying bigger class ships than allowed by the jump gates to Factional Warfare complexes has been classed as an exploit. If you are found doing this we will be forced to take in-game actions as abusing game mechanics is not allowed.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:55:00 - [8] I remember it took me half an hour to get a 7km/s ares to enter a T1 frig plex , flying manually. It takes a stupidly long time to cross 10000km without a perma-MWD nanoship. Now , if people manage to reach the plex from out of deadspace grids , that's another thing.
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.03 19:17:00 - [9] To stop your piewat dreams...it has been declared a exploit allmost 4 days ago. Exploit warning!
Marcellus Corteaz Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.07.03 19:20:00 - [10] This is a bit unreasonable. Why are FW plexes closer to their acceleration gates than static plexes or missions? If players aren't supposed to slowboat to the complex, CCP could've set the distance at 100000km instead. No offense to GM Grimmi, but could we get a confirmation from a game designer that the distance wasn't meant to be so short?
DarknessInc Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.03 22:17:00 - [11] Wikidictionary An exploit (from the same word in the French language, meaning "achievement", or "accomplishment") is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that take advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerized). Okay. So CCP classifys FLYING through space in your ship through multiple grids an exploit. And an exploit to CCP is something not intended by the game mechanics. Is flying not an intended game mechanic. If a person sets out in a battleship/battlecruiser/cruiser going 200m/s a second, its going to take a long time to arrive. And in that time their slowboating to the plex, it can be entered and capped by the allowed ships. CCP is acting like an Fing IDIOT calling this an exploit, or its only classifying it as an exploit just to make people not do it so they can implement some feature to stop it from happening. -.- This is one of the few times I have been very disapointed by CCP Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies	Posted - 2008.07.03 22:33:00 - [12] i know how to fix it! put the FW plexes inside a giant bubble. Just like the giant bubble CCP has put around carebears to protect them from piwats and other nasty stuffs!
Najri DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.07.03 23:05:00 - [13] Edited by: Najri on 03/07/2008 23:05:42 Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 i know how to fix it! put the FW plexes inside a giant bubble. Just like the giant bubble CCP has put around carebears to protect them from piwats and other nasty stuffs! Signed Most funny to see bearlover devs going out of their way to do exactly the opposite of what CCP announced during last years fanfest: Making EVE-online a violent pvp-oriented game not suited for teletubbie-lala land carebears.." How quickly people forget. They should just cut the crap already and decide what to do with EVE once and for all and then stick to it consequently.. If you go for pvp then quit nerfing and sabotaging pirates ffs. And please fire that moron gm before everyone except him and his boyfriend turns to age of conan Please flame to your hearts contempt
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies	Posted - 2008.07.03 23:20:00 - [14] Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 03/07/2008 23:21:31 Originally by: Najri Edited by: Najri on 03/07/2008 23:05:42 Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 i know how to fix it! put the FW plexes inside a giant bubble. Just like the giant bubble CCP has put around carebears to protect them from piwats and other nasty stuffs! Signed Most funny to see bearlover devs going out of their way to do exactly the opposite of what CCP announced during last years fanfest: Making EVE-online a violent pvp-oriented game not suited for teletubbie-lala land carebears.." How quickly people forget. They should just cut the crap already and decide what to do with EVE once and for all and then stick to it consequently.. If you go for pvp then quit nerfing and sabotaging pirates ffs. And please fire that moron gm before everyone except him and his boyfriend turns to age of conan i assume CCP's choice was somthing like this Hmmmm shold we choose This? or This? so now they can live like This
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.04 00:11:00 - [15] Edited by: Artemis Rose on 04/07/2008 00:13:46 Aww.. I was just thinking about doing that a week ago. Oh well. Still I run the directional scanner when I'm a plex like that (or when sitting still in 0.0 and low sec), I'd have to be pretty dense not to see the nano ship MWDing for a half an hour to get in there. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
White Chasm Caldari Blood In Blood Out	Posted - 2008.07.04 01:14:00 - [16] Originally by: DarknessInc Wikidictionary An exploit (from the same word in the French language, meaning "achievement", or "accomplishment") is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that take advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerized). Okay. So CCP classifys FLYING through space in your ship through multiple grids an exploit. And an exploit to CCP is something not intended by the game mechanics. Is flying not an intended game mechanic. If a person sets out in a battleship/battlecruiser/cruiser going 200m/s a second, its going to take a long time to arrive. And in that time their slowboating to the plex, it can be entered and capped by the allowed ships. CCP is acting like an Fing IDIOT calling this an exploit, or its only classifying it as an exploit just to make people not do it so they can implement some feature to stop it from happening. -.- This is one of the few times I have been very disapointed by CCP What if CCP changed their term "exploit" to "gummyworm". Would you then wikidictionary "gummyworm" then come to the forums calling CCP f'ing idiots again? _________________ Flagrant E-Peen Stroking - Check Bragging over the littlest crap - Check Endless stream of self-contradicting smacktalk - Double Check
E Vile The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.07.04 01:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 03/07/2008 23:21:31 Originally by: Najri Edited by: Najri on 03/07/2008 23:05:42 Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 i know how to fix it! put the FW plexes inside a giant bubble. Just like the giant bubble CCP has put around carebears to protect them from piwats and other nasty stuffs! Signed Most funny to see bearlover devs going out of their way to do exactly the opposite of what CCP announced during last years fanfest: Making EVE-online a violent pvp-oriented game not suited for teletubbie-lala land carebears.." How quickly people forget. They should just cut the crap already and decide what to do with EVE once and for all and then stick to it consequently.. If you go for pvp then quit nerfing and sabotaging pirates ffs. And please fire that moron gm before everyone except him and his boyfriend turns to age of conan i assume CCP's choice was somthing like this Hmmmm shold we choose This? or This? so now they can live like This Join a 0.0 corp and PVP to your hearts content. Just because they add a option for a more regulated PVP don't mean they are taking anything away from full open 0.0 PVP. The universe does not revolve around YOU. There is nothing wrong with giving options like this for people who enjoy it. Some people actually like even matches. In any case if you don't like FW regulations PVP IN 0.0! NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PLAY FW. This whole generation of MMO players is swarmed by mass amounts of spoiled crybabies constantly whining about every detail. I say Cheers to CCP for having the courage to break from the WoW clone like so many others to make a truely unique MMO. If CCP was just worried about cash over content players would not be lootable. Your ship wouldn't be destroyed when you get killed. They wouldn't have everything that your able to do in 0.0
Tefkros The Dead Pod Society Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.07.04 10:42:00 - [18] Edited by: Tefkros on 04/07/2008 10:48:09 Originally by: E Vile Join a 0.0 corp and PVP to your hearts content. Just because they add a option for a more regulated PVP don't mean they are taking anything away from full open 0.0 PVP. The universe does not revolve around YOU. There is nothing wrong with giving options like this for people who enjoy it. Some people actually like even matches. In any case if you don't like FW regulations PVP IN 0.0! NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PLAY FW. This whole generation of MMO players is swarmed by mass amounts of spoiled crybabies constantly whining about every detail. I say Cheers to CCP for having the courage to break from the WoW clone like so many others to make a truely unique MMO. If CCP was just worried about cash over content players would not be lootable. Your ship wouldn't be destroyed when you get killed. They wouldn't have everything that your able to do in 0.0 Some people don¦t want to be nameless drones lost in their pwnsauce alliances and politics. Leave the "go to 0.0, open full on PvP" deluded talk to weeping bears. Also, interesting how you praise CCP for making EvE different than WoW, but at the same time you promote turning 0.0 into a separate "proper" PvP server. And just to quote you... Originally by: E Vile This is why so many pilots turn to Faction Wars now. The garbage politics and greedy people is exactly why so many of my friends have left EVE. Enjoy your 0.0
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.07.04 11:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 04/07/2008 11:36:39 It's pretty simple. If you take a ship in to a complex that is bigger than those that can legally get through the gate it's an exploit. It doesn't matter how you get it there. CCP have spoken. It's Petitionable and an exploit.
Cashmere Falcone	Posted - 2008.07.04 11:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Monsara Logged in today to see a set of behaviors classified as a sploit (taking larger-than-allowed ships to FW complexes), but I would still like more deets please. Are we prohibited from using sneaky game mechanic-tactics to get into complexes or prohibited from taking ships larger-than-allowed to the acceleration gate at all? An interested party would like to know. Just exactly, what is a "sploit"? Is that the sound your pod emanates when you suddenly make a panicked run from a fight, and hit a roid? SPLOIT!
Jebus Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.04 12:04:00 - [21] The universe does not revolve around YOU. There is nothing wrong with giving options like this for people who enjoy it. I say Cheers to CCP for having the courage to break from the WoW clone like so many others to make a truely unique MMO. Hear! Hear!
Ishmael D'ren Gallente Krypteia Brotherhood Rough Necks	Posted - 2008.07.04 12:21:00 - [22] If CCP were as smart as the dudes that think up the exploits, we would all be playing a better game.
Illentianne Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.04 15:13:00 - [23] Seems like the only ones crying here are the ganking pirates who SAY they want open PvP anywhere. God forbid they are now forced to play on more even terms in the plexes. OH NOES!!! And just as an example I was in a fleet in turnur just last night. We were doing plexes and taking back the contested area in Turnur when an Abbadon and a Navy Faction Mega warped on the Major Complex gate which did not allow them to pass through, but boy oh boy they sure liked popping the frigs trying to get through that gate. Point being: Stop your crying you Pirate noobs and start adjusting your game play. PvP in low sec is higher than ever and all we hear is "WAHH we can't use our gank ships in Low sec to get our jollies anymore"
Steamroll McGee Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.07.04 15:19:00 - [24] If you spend the time to fly 1000 km into a gate, I think you deserve to have a bigger than allowed ship in there.
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.04 15:24:00 - [25] Moon Probes (Yes, you can click on them, and bookmark their location.. then warp to the BM.. as they travel through space.. I've done it; but not in FW.) Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Chatte Noire Gallente Black Cat Ventures	Posted - 2008.07.04 15:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Illentianne Seems like the only ones crying here are the ganking pirates who SAY they want open PvP anywhere. God forbid they are now forced to play on more even terms in the plexes. OH NOES!!! Artificially restricting combat because of "Only frigs and cruisers are allowed in here even though it is possible to slowboat into the complex because ... uh... yeah..." does not equal open PvP. Summa sumarum: they DO want open PvP. You want to be protected from uneven fights.
Illentianne Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.04 16:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Chatte Noire Originally by: Illentianne Seems like the only ones crying here are the ganking pirates who SAY they want open PvP anywhere. God forbid they are now forced to play on more even terms in the plexes. OH NOES!!! Artificially restricting combat because of "Only frigs and cruisers are allowed in here even though it is possible to slowboat into the complex because ... uh... yeah..." does not equal open PvP. Summa sumarum: they DO want open PvP. You want to be protected from uneven fights. Pirates want open PvP to ONLY be in their favor is what I should have said earlier. It's more in keeping with my post.
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies	Posted - 2008.07.04 17:57:00 - [28] Originally by: E Vile Join a 0.0 corp and PVP to your hearts content. Just because they add a option for a more regulated PVP don't mean they are taking anything away from full open 0.0 PVP. The universe does not revolve around YOU. There is nothing wrong with giving options like this for people who enjoy it. Some people actually like even matches. In any case if you don't like FW regulations PVP IN 0.0! NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PLAY FW. This whole generation of MMO players is swarmed by mass amounts of spoiled crybabies constantly whining about every detail. I say Cheers to CCP for having the courage to break from the WoW clone like so many others to make a truely unique MMO. If CCP was just worried about cash over content players would not be lootable. Your ship wouldn't be destroyed when you get killed. They wouldn't have everything that your able to do in 0.0 Dear: [ ] Clueless Newbie [ ] Loser [ ] Spammer [ ] 12 year old [ ] Pervert [ ] Nerd [x] l337 d00d/"vet" [ ] Other: Illegal immigrant [ ] Troll You Are Being Flamed Because [ ] You posted a Nudity thread (anime or normal). [ ] You whine like a ***. [ ] You bumped a thread from the last page. [ ] You started an off-topic thread. [x] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message . [ ] You don't know which forum to post in. [ ] You posted false information (or lack thereof). [ ] You posted something totally uninteresting. [ ] You doubleposted. [ ] You posted a message all written in CAPS (oR aLtErNaTe CaPs). [ ] You posted a X > Y thread. LAME. [x] I don't like your tone of voice. To Repent, You Must: [ ] Give up your AOL Internet account [x] Bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it [ ] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor [ ] Actually post something relevant [ ] Be my love slave [ ] Apologize to everybody on this forum [x] Go stand in the middle of an intersection In Closing, I'd Like to Say: [ ] Get a life [x] Never post again [x] I pity your dog [ ] I think your IQ must be 6 [x] Take your crap somewhere else [ ] Do us all a favor and jump into some industrial equipment [ ] Go play Dress-Up Barbie OnlineÖ [ ] All of the above PS I hear that you at roadkill have had multiple members defect and steal shittons of expensive ships off you guys. Just prove 0.0 is for mindless drones who are incapable of making bonds with other people, so when they get bored, they takes all your stuffs.
Ancorehraq sis Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.07.04 22:46:00 - [29] Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 [x] l337 d00d/"vet" SP envy much? Silly jealous newbies
Spartan Magehand	Posted - 2008.07.05 00:05:00 - [30] Originally by: DarknessInc Wikidictionary An exploit (from the same word in the French language, meaning "achievement", or "accomplishment") is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that take advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerized). Okay. So CCP classifys FLYING through space in your ship through multiple grids an exploit. And an exploit to CCP is something not intended by the game mechanics. Is flying not an intended game mechanic. If a person sets out in a battleship/battlecruiser/cruiser going 200m/s a second, its going to take a long time to arrive. And in that time their slowboating to the plex, it can be entered and capped by the allowed ships. CCP is acting like an Fing IDIOT calling this an exploit, or its only classifying it as an exploit just to make people not do it so they can implement some feature to stop it from happening. -.- This is one of the few times I have been very disapointed by CCP I am quitting the game, but not because of this issue, but because I got bored with being griefed all the time while trying to do puny mining operations in sec 1.0 systems. But I have to agree. The game design has got a bit out of hand here. They class flying a ship to a destination an exploit, but apparently tricks such as stealing cargo then waiting for the original owner to steal it back so that they can kill you for free is not an exploit, even in a sec 1.0 system. Has the game become so big that the game design has developed its own poltics? Is the feeling of being a 'second class citizen' when you are a new player intentional? When at a stroke they make such a decision that on the face of it seems catastrophic to the integrity of the overall design while at the same time they leave new players struggling with relatively easy to fix problems that cause major grief, one has to wonder. I was foolish, in that I did not bother with the trial and bought an account right away. Why? I had heard great things about the game. I did not realise that I heard these great things from a group of players who have at their head a player who has been playing for several years and has become quite powerful. Yes. Eve has perhaps become too realistic in the wrong areas. Being a nobody is realistic, but it is not much fun. A little rant I know, but I paid for the privilidge.
Tefkros The Dead Pod Society Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.07.05 08:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Spartan Magehand But I have to agree. The game design has got a bit out of hand here. They class flying a ship to a destination an exploit, but apparently tricks such as stealing cargo then waiting for the original owner to steal it back so that they can kill you for free is not an exploit, even in a sec 1.0 system. Exploiting the other persons stupidity is not the same as exploiting game mechanics. As you have just proven with your "I quit" statement, EVE is no place for the mentally inadequate. It's like skydiving. It's not for everyone. Take up golf.
VB Sarge The Bastards	Posted - 2008.07.05 09:01:00 - [32] btw, Eve came out before WoW did... so the whole WoW clone comment, seemed, a bit off to me. Also, if I may, speaking in absolutes makes you come across as an idiot... Myself and my corp mates that I fly with, love a good fight. The "pirates" that only engage if they have a 100% chance of succeeding are pretty weak, and I wouldn't go so far as labeling them as "pirates." Would it be fun for me personally to take a big ship into a FW site that only allows Frigs? No. There's no challenge, there's no risk (vice a 100 frigate blob) and there for sure wouldn't be much of a reward. I am completely behind this being labeled as an exploit with all of the punitive actions behind it. It should hopefully weed out the few weaklings that were doing this in order to get a few kills. As far as camping the accelleration gate, I am all for that... I have gotten a few kills that way (busting the camps) and has made for some very fun fights. It's great to have somewhere to fight other than a station or a gate these days. www.the-bastards.com Ask me about recruiting options
Spartan Magehand	Posted - 2008.07.05 20:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Tefkros Originally by: Spartan Magehand But I have to agree. The game design has got a bit out of hand here. They class flying a ship to a destination an exploit, but apparently tricks such as stealing cargo then waiting for the original owner to steal it back so that they can kill you for free is not an exploit, even in a sec 1.0 system. Exploiting the other persons stupidity is not the same as exploiting game mechanics. As you have just proven with your "I quit" statement, EVE is no place for the mentally inadequate. It's like skydiving. It's not for everyone. Take up golf. Actually, golf is a lot more exciting than spending hours upon hours watching a laser poke at a rock, oh touchy one proving just how unfriendly the community is.
Blood Daemon Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.07.05 20:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Spartan Magehand Originally by: Tefkros Originally by: Spartan Magehand But I have to agree. The game design has got a bit out of hand here. They class flying a ship to a destination an exploit, but apparently tricks such as stealing cargo then waiting for the original owner to steal it back so that they can kill you for free is not an exploit, even in a sec 1.0 system. Exploiting the other persons stupidity is not the same as exploiting game mechanics. As you have just proven with your "I quit" statement, EVE is no place for the mentally inadequate. It's like skydiving. It's not for everyone. Take up golf. Actually, golf is a lot more exciting than spending hours upon hours watching a laser poke at a rock, oh touchy one proving just how unfriendly the community is. Agreed, why can't we all be fwiends!!!
Tefkros The Dead Pod Society Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.07.06 11:36:00 - [35] Edited by: Tefkros on 06/07/2008 11:41:37 Originally by: Spartan Magehand Originally by: Tefkros Originally by: Spartan Magehand But I have to agree. The game design has got a bit out of hand here. They class flying a ship to a destination an exploit, but apparently tricks such as stealing cargo then waiting for the original owner to steal it back so that they can kill you for free is not an exploit, even in a sec 1.0 system. Exploiting the other persons stupidity is not the same as exploiting game mechanics. As you have just proven with your "I quit" statement, EVE is no place for the mentally inadequate. It's like skydiving. It's not for everyone. Take up golf. Actually, golf is a lot more exciting than spending hours upon hours watching a laser poke at a rock, oh touchy one proving just how unfriendly the community is. Learn to read and comprehend before proving, exactly, how unfriendly the community can be. I might have a slight grammar mistake but the meaning was clear.
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.07.07 02:40:00 - [36] Tef is plenty friendly, we used to try to blow each other up, now we're friends. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Nethras Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Marcellus Corteaz This is a bit unreasonable. Why are FW plexes closer to their acceleration gates than static plexes or missions? If players aren't supposed to slowboat to the complex, CCP could've set the distance at 100000km instead. No offense to GM Grimmi, but could we get a confirmation from a game designer that the distance wasn't meant to be so short? No distance would be sufficient to keep someone from warping a properly sized ship into the plex, and managing through practice and luck to get a bookmark just off the deadspace grid - that is, the maximum distance the current mechanics can force you to travel is based on grid size, not where the gate is, and it's easier to tell us not to do it than to change the mechanics
Drethon Gallente Selinir	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:51:00 - [38] Edited by: Drethon on 07/07/2008 18:52:11 Originally by: Spartan Magehand But I have to agree. The game design has got a bit out of hand here. They class flying a ship to a destination an exploit, but apparently tricks such as stealing cargo then waiting for the original owner to steal it back so that they can kill you for free is not an exploit, even in a sec 1.0 system. Did you notice the part whereby: a) Stealing your goods first allows you to kill them for free if you bring a bigger ship. b) You have nice big warning (if not disabled) telling you not to seal goods back. c) There are secure containers or cargo expanders that allow you to put the ore in safe places that cannot be stolen? This may just be perpetuating rumors but I've heard that CCP never intended for can mining, they intended for you to hold onto ore or put it into secure cans you can purchase on the market. Jetcans then have the increased reward and increased risk that balance each other out appropriately for a tactic that CCP seems to have washed their hands of and told the players to have at it (jetcan mining, not can swapping). In my care bear years I have never lost a ship except blockade running, pay attention to those little warnings that doing this will get you killed. On the FW exploit, it sounds like CCP said to themselves "Hmm, never thought they would MWD that far to get into a complex. Should have moved them further away or used different game mechanics." I don't think they ever though anyone would bypass the gates. Why is it the pirates want to bring their Blasterthrons into a frigate complex? So you blew up ten frigates, I shoot bigger things in PvE. I'll consider respecting your accomplishments when you blow up ships that could kill you... Edit: $&%#$*! forums... ____ "Some times peace must be purchased at the tip of a sword."
Greenbolt Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services	Posted - 2008.07.07 18:54:00 - [39] Ill jump into this one. The noobs like me kinda like fighting in cheap ships against other cheap ships in the complexes. You want fun..fit out a cheap ship and come blow us up. You want easy bragging rights about how uber you are with your 2000 kills..get a smart bombing BS and sit on a gate. Or go join the Gallante nano squads. I hear they are rackin up impressive kills against the caldari. --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Darth Syphils Amarr Noshikkan	Posted - 2008.07.07 19:44:00 - [40] Can we get an official GM response to this question? Is it ok if i sit 180 km off a t1 frig acceleration gate in my abaddon and just insta pop every frig that tries to run the plex?
MaidMarion Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.07 22:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Darth Syphils Can we get an official GM response to this question? Is it ok if i sit 180 km off a t1 frig acceleration gate in my abaddon and just insta pop every frig that tries to run the plex? Was in a different thread but GM said it is ok to bring bigger ships TO the acceleration gate. You cannot try to circumvent the accel gate INTO the plex in any way.
Ron Bacardi Caldari Privateers	Posted - 2008.07.07 22:52:00 - [42] Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 07/07/2008 22:52:57 Seriously, it's been answered. A little common sense and reading comprehension people. Being at the accel gate is fine, doesnt matter what ship you have, bring your bloody titan FFS. Being IN the plex with a ship other than intended by the accel gate...exploit. Nobody gives a rats ass how you got there, but if you are caught there, there's a problem. /thinks about grabbing a bomb equipped Manti and camping an accel gate.... /gets a more economical disco-domi instead
Jodi Goulsti	Posted - 2008.07.08 15:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Spartan Magehand I am quitting the game... because I got bored with being griefed all the time while trying to do puny mining operations in sec 1.0 systems. Griefed <> Getting your ship all 'splody Just because you grieved does not mean you were griefed.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2008.07.08 20:24:00 - [44] An exploit is when you paste a custom-made string into the account name field to cause a buffer overflow, then steal other people's CC info. This is an "exploit", an excuse to not have QA, generel testing or game design. You can see that this game is starting to spiral into madness when people have to ask "is it ok to sit at a gate and kill everyone who shows up, using a ship that is actually good for the job (=leaving them no fighting chance)"
Invesco Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:55:00 - [45] Originally by: Tefkros Originally by: Spartan Magehand But I have to agree. The game design has got a bit out of hand here. They class flying a ship to a destination an exploit, but apparently tricks such as stealing cargo then waiting for the original owner to steal it back so that they can kill you for free is not an exploit, even in a sec 1.0 system. Exploiting the other persons stupidity is not the same as exploiting game mechanics. As you have just proven with your "I quit" statement, EVE is no place for the mentally inadequate. It's like skydiving. It's not for everyone. Take up golf. :)

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