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Psyrex
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Posted - 2004.05.19 17:50:00 -
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I've just heard in game that Raven is to lose 100 cpu and 1000 grid power.
Is this true?
Are there to be any changes to the Raven Battleship?
i know of the missile changes and how that will effect the Raven.
Thanks for your help.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.05.19 17:55:00 -
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no, the raven will GET 100 more CPU (YAY!) and loose 500 pg (Boo!)
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Psyrex
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Posted - 2004.05.19 17:57:00 -
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phew thats ok then.
that would of been such a problem
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:00:00 -
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It actually is a problem, because you must use Siege launchers with 1750 powergrid reqs then if you want to use Cruise Missiles or Torps. You'll be forced to pump your lowslots full of RCUs.
Still, there's hope, as these changes are still in balancing.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:03:00 -
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The hope lies in metamodded Siege Launchers, Cruise Launchers and X-L Boosters that lower PG requirements instead of CPU requirements. Perhaps an even greater hope lies in a PG reducing skill similiar to Weapon Upgrades.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:07:00 -
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which means that all those raven pilots who spent weeks sqeazing every last drop of CPU from theyre skills and modules have wasted theyre time... glad i'm not a raven pilot 
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:10:00 -
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Damn ****!! Someone bite my balls quickly for this can't be real!
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:15:00 -
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I think there are mini siege launcher coming but I have forgotten which missile they can shoot probably at least cruise missiles.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 19/05/2004 18:19:20
 Originally by: Shimatu
which means that all those raven pilots who spent weeks sqeazing every last drop of CPU from theyre skills and modules have wasted theyre time... glad i'm not a raven pilot
YEP, but at least, if my proposed metamod changes are adopted then the best CPU metamods will become the best PG metamods :o (i.e clarity ward will use lowest PG and so will Malkuths)
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Puppy
I think there are mini siege launcher coming but I have forgotten which missile they can shoot probably at least cruise missiles.
They can only shoot Cruise Missles, nothing else (no torpedos). They also have a base rof of 30 seconds making them useless as a primary weapon system.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:21:00 -
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It was my understanding that ships werenŠt supposed to being able to equip all the largest guns without making some very big sacrifices. I donŠt know if other ships can do it easily as I donŠt know much about battleships (maybe I should get the hell out of this thread then ).
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:23:00 -
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The Raven will have as much firepower as a Scorp. Are you serious?
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 19/05/2004 18:28:34
Originally by: Dust Puppy
It was my understanding that ships werenŠt supposed to being able to equip all the largest guns without making some very big sacrifices. I donŠt know if other ships can do it easily as I donŠt know much about battleships (maybe I should get the hell out of this thread then ).
Yes, and I am not adverse to this idea. As it currently stands, however, the Raven pilots don't have any real options. They HAVE to fit 6 Siege Launchers to have a viable offense and this leaves them without enough PG to fit an MWD or a Cap Injector or 2 of even the worst types of battleship turrets.
Turret ships can at least probably fit the cruiser launchers as a secondary weapon system after fitting their best turrets, but Raven pilots cannot even fit 2nd echelon BS turrets.
As it stands now a Raven pilot's best option is to try to fit 2 250mm Prototype Railguns ;/. In a certain sense this mirrors the setup of a Tempest or a typhoon which relied on Cruiser class missle launchers. Those launchers, however, were doing BS calibur damage while the 250mm prototype rail guns are doing crappy damage. Therefore the Raven pilot, who cannot even fit utility modules like shield transfers or energy neutrailizers, is really hamstrung.
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 19/05/2004 18:19:20
Originally by: Shimatu
which means that all those raven pilots who spent weeks sqeazing every last drop of CPU from theyre skills and modules have wasted theyre time... glad i'm not a raven pilot
YEP, but at least, if my proposed metamod changes are adopted then the best CPU metamods will become the best PG metamods :o (i.e clarity ward will use lowest PG and so will Malkuths)
While i agree that meta siege launchers that reduce grid is an excellent idea, if the meta shield boosters reduced grid rather than cpu the tempest would be really hard done by with this as it will be strapped for cpu after the changes anyway...
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Serret
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:35:00 -
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Perhaps this is completely unfounded, but sometimes it really seems that a lot of the game balancing work is based on the feedback of people who get on Chaos, sit at some arbitrary range, and spam each other until one person dies.
There seems to be very little consideration for fleet roles, likely scenarios for actual PvP combat on TQ server, etc.
'OMG I MUST SIT AT OPTIMAL AND MATCH DOT WHILE HAVING PROPER TANKING EPS HA MY SR IS ABLE TO CANCEL YOUR DB OOOOOH ROF HA MY GRID TRUMPS YOUR CPU WAH WAH LOOK YOU HAVE UNFAIR FS VS FO OR IS OK THO BUT YOU HAVE EXTRA LS TO CANCEL MY MS ADVANTAGE OF SR AND THIS GAME IS UNFAIR WAH WAH LOOK SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT SETUP THAN ME AND HE WON WE MUST REWRITE THE GAME AAAAAH!!!'
To me, not only is it destroying the variety in the game, but in that way it is also destroying the possibility for any sort of RP or tactical cleverness or anything else that has always had the potential to elevate Eve above simple die-rolling wish fulfillment.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:36:00 -
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I am aware of that. The minmatar represent a balancing problem in this respect.
I think, however, that if the Tempest, Dominix and both Caldari BSs were given larger CPU increases and the X-L boosters were increased in CPU then this could be balanced out.
The real issue is that the tempest can theoretically employ both types of tanking. I really have no idea how to balance for that scenario without making the tempest an incredible ship.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:38:00 -
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To me, not only is it destroying the variety in the game, but in that way it is also destroying the possibility for any sort of RP or tactical cleverness or anything else that has always had the potential to elevate Eve above simple die-rolling wish fulfillment.
The ships will still be different. The difference, however, is largely going to be centered around range, speed and support capabilities. As it stands now this is already the case but certain ships just are not as useful as others in their given area of expertise. For this reason balancing is required so that everyone can fulfill the role they are meant to with equal effectiveness.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bared Bel'Medar on 19/05/2004 18:53:03
I dont see the problem... really I dont. A good Raven set up will REQUIRE a pair of anti frig guns once shiva comes... the dual 180mm autocannon works wonders against cruisers and frigs, so I highly recommend them.
*EDIT* And I do use caldari ships and I do use Weapon Upgrades alot, in fact, its the skill I consider the most important.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.05.19 18:59:00 -
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Wrong. You must've been way too long on Chaos. I'll have a dedicated frigatekiller in my squadron.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.19 19:02:00 -
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Thats why we have all learned to fly interceptors, right? ;p
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.05.19 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
Wrong. You must've been way too long on Chaos. I'll have a dedicated frigatekiller in my squadron.
Can you say DUH? See, I'm tring to be ready for shiva, with the upcomming changes, and my moderate skills, the Dual 180mm has the appropriate range and damage required to combat frigs. Its got good refire and good tracking, making it so that with drones and a pair of guns I can avoid the frigate gankings while in transit.
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.05.19 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zu Lu on 19/05/2004 19:28:20
Yes the tempest will still be able to use armor defence in a close range set up only, using 6 duel 425mm ac and 2 siege, cpu will not be tight in that set up but grid will but it's easily doable.
I do think that it appears too harsh on the raven in that close range set ups involving mwd and heavy cap booster are gonna be (without doing the calcaulations) very hard or impossible wheraes all the other ships will still be able to easily fit for either long or short range combat. The dominix may suffer the same fate as it stands...
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2004.05.19 23:10:00 -
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*thanks someone for having the mindset to train 4+ million eng sp's* the raven is still going to wup ass.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2004.05.20 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Serret
Perhaps this is completely unfounded, but sometimes it really seems that a lot of the game balancing work is based on the feedback of people who get on Chaos, sit at some arbitrary range, and spam each other until one person dies.
There seems to be very little consideration for fleet roles, likely scenarios for actual PvP combat on TQ server, etc.
'OMG I MUST SIT AT OPTIMAL AND MATCH DOT WHILE HAVING PROPER TANKING EPS HA MY SR IS ABLE TO CANCEL YOUR DB OOOOOH ROF HA MY GRID TRUMPS YOUR CPU WAH WAH LOOK YOU HAVE UNFAIR FS VS FO OR IS OK THO BUT YOU HAVE EXTRA LS TO CANCEL MY MS ADVANTAGE OF SR AND THIS GAME IS UNFAIR WAH WAH LOOK SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT SETUP THAN ME AND HE WON WE MUST REWRITE THE GAME AAAAAH!!!'
To me, not only is it destroying the variety in the game, but in that way it is also destroying the possibility for any sort of RP or tactical cleverness or anything else that has always had the potential to elevate Eve above simple die-rolling wish fulfillment.
You hang around too many Calderi ship pilots.
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2004.05.20 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Altai Saker on 20/05/2004 05:11:59
I don't see the problem with this, Raven pilots have just had it so good for so long.That it now seems like this is a huge nerf, it's not it's just balancing.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.20 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 20/05/2004 05:26:49
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I don't see the problem with this, Raven pilots have just had it so good for so long.That it now seems like this is a huge nerf, it's not it's just balancing.
In what universe are you living?
The Raven's primary weapon has been useless at range since release. Raven's aren't the best shield tanks out there and don't pack that much fire power. All Raven's have at the moment is a nice balance of offense and defense for SHORT RANGE only. If you seriously think they are overpowered as it stands now, then you are living in a land of self-delusion.
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Amy Foxx
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Posted - 2004.05.20 05:25:00 -
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the part that gets me though, is that the Raven needed the CPU boost badly, Seige launchers and 425 rails are the most CPU intensive weapons in the game 80/70... but with the PG nerf to the raven and the PG need boost to Seige launchers, a Raven will need 16k PG for 6 seige launchers and 2 425mm rails... the problem is the most a Raven can get is 11875 with engering V, Leaving me 4,125 grid short for weapons alone, not counting sheild tanking gear, or heaven forbid armour tanking.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.05.20 05:28:00 -
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Yes.
We got our CPU issue taken away from us and got handed an even more cumbersome powergrid issue. We have no skills and no improved mods at our disposal to deal with this issue. This means that whereas before we had 3 options, we now only have 1.
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Shadow Knight
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Posted - 2004.05.20 10:05:00 -
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hmmm So i spend weeks/months skilling electronics V, weapon upgrades V and the rest of the CPU saving ones so i can fit a fairly good raven. Then they come out with this change - Its a complete reversal of the constraints on a raven!?! AND there is no skill to reduce PG requirements. So, in short, i hate it :P
-as for the guy who says you need frigate sized guns...I've not tried this on chaos, but on TQ heavy nosferatu/neutralisers work just fine against frigates
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Matanga
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Posted - 2004.05.20 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Knight
hmmm So i spend weeks/months skilling electronics V, weapon upgrades V and the rest of the CPU saving ones so i can fit a fairly good raven. Then they come out with this change - Its a complete reversal of the constraints on a raven!?! AND there is no skill to reduce PG requirements. So, in short, i hate it :P
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