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Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 05/07/2008 22:24:21 Please link to any documentation of "petition losses" or "We're looking into it" posts. Until then: You signed up for an Empire War. Empire wars make high-sec dangerous. You can always leave the militia if you don't care for it.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:24:00 - [32] Originally by: baltec1 and just because you found a workaround doesnt make it legit. It's always been possible to avoid the faction navy. Quote: A dev has said that its not considered an exploit yet, others are looking into it as a possible exploit and others are telling victims to petition the losses. Its a mixed message from CCP at the moment. IIRC, it wasn't that the dev said yet. They said it is not an exploit. Quote: I joined this war knowing high sec wouldnt be safe, but I do expect the NPC navy to turn up to aid me as advertised. It might be late or it might not but it should turn up. Wait, so you joined this war in hopes that you'd be saved by NPCs? With 7000 other FW mates? Cripes. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Illwill Bill Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:25:00 - [33] Before the patch it was possible to tank the faction navy with a passive tanked Drake. The navies were beefed up a bit during the patch, but surely, tanking them can't suddenly have turned into an exploit? I am not a part of the war; however, as a pirate I've had a few run-ins into the faction navies (like playing when drunk, and accidentally jumping into a hisec system), and I've NEVER been accused of exploiting. The faction navies are not CONCORD. They are at war with the enemy militias, just as you guys are, and just because you're at war, that doesn't mean that you will automatically win. Now stop whining, get your Caldari acts together, and start fighting back. Scram them frackers, and then help the Caldary navy to mince them into atoms, and please stop littering the forums with stories of your inadequacy to fight your enemies! ____________________ Honk if you think that I'm a n00b Lance fighter > Honk.
The Libertine	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:26:00 - [34] Edited by: The Libertine on 05/07/2008 22:27:07 You guys signed up for militia warfare, so deal with the consequences of opt-in factional warfare.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Illwill Bill Before the patch it was possible to tank the faction navy with a passive tanked Drake. The navies were beefed up a bit during the patch, but surely, tanking them can't suddenly have turned into an exploit? I am not a part of the war; however, as a pirate I've had a few run-ins into the faction navies (like playing when drunk, and accidentally jumping into a hisec system), and I've NEVER been accused of exploiting. The faction navies are not CONCORD. They are at war with the enemy militias, just as you guys are, and just because you're at war, that doesn't mean that you will automatically win. Now stop whining, get your Caldari acts together, and start fighting back. Scram them frackers, and then help the Caldary navy to mince them into atoms, and please stop littering the forums with stories of your inadequacy to fight your enemies! hahahaha, I've had some great experiences like that. Had some ****er keep bumping me away from the gate once... and another time, I got everyone to help push me back to the gate. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Illwill Bill Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:31:00 - [36] Haha, yeah, I actualy got a friend in an industrial to bump me once. :) ____________________ Honk if you think that I'm a n00b Lance fighter > Honk.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:33:00 - [37] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=811261 I should have made you look for it like you made the other guy who asked you. And yes, I do expect the navy to help me, its what I was told would happen by the devs in every blog they made on FW.
Illwill Bill Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:35:00 - [38] Seriously, helping and saving are two very different things. ____________________ Honk if you think that I'm a n00b Lance fighter > Honk.
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:42:00 - [39] Originally by: baltec1 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=811261 I should have made you look for it like you made the other guy who asked you. And yes, I do expect the navy to help me, its what I was told would happen by the devs in every blog they made on FW. There is nothing like what you're suggesting in that thread except Caldari crying about what they wish the devs were saying. I said documented proof - all that thread shows is the same crying we've got here, again. And, btw, the Navy helps you - it would be a LOT worse for the Caldari if they weren't interfering with us. I'm sorry, but when ONE capsuleer pilot is all it takes to disrupt us, but the Caldari militia can't be bothered, I see absolutely nothing wrong.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Originally by: baltec1 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=811261 I should have made you look for it like you made the other guy who asked you. And yes, I do expect the navy to help me, its what I was told would happen by the devs in every blog they made on FW. There is nothing like what you're suggesting in that thread except Caldari crying about what they wish the devs were saying. I said documented proof - all that thread shows is the same crying we've got here, again. And, btw, the Navy helps you - it would be a LOT worse for the Caldari if they weren't interfering with us. I'm sorry, but when ONE capsuleer pilot is all it takes to disrupt us, but the Caldari militia can't be bothered, I see absolutely nothing wrong. selective reading eh? how about looking at CCP Mitnal's post? Posted - 2008.07.01 22:24:00 - [13] - QuoteReport -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could you please bug report this? You can do so here. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:49:00 - [41] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/07/2008 22:51:50 Originally by: baltec1 selective reading eh? So suddenly forum mods > Dev post? Wow. -Liang Ed: BTW, no disrespect Mitnal. <3 -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Illwill Bill Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:49:00 - [42] That doesn't say it's an exploit; it says that he wanted the OP to report the absence of NPC navies. ____________________ Honk if you think that I'm a n00b Lance fighter > Honk.
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.05 22:50:00 - [43] Ah, I guess it was yet another thread of Caldari whining where CCP stated, after that post was made, that they had looked into it and said it wasn't an exploit. At any rate, I can't be bothered - I'll keep laughing at the 7000 member militia unable to field a single ship to stop us and crying for CCP to save them, right up until FacWar ends or a change gets made.
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:01:00 - [44] Game imbalances are never exploits however they ARE game imbalances I'm not holding my breath about CCP fixing the problem of nano ships orbiting npcs at daft speeds anytime soon
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:11:00 - [45] Edited by: Ki An on 05/07/2008 23:15:34 Is this the thread where Caldari mission runners-turned-pvpers complain about NPCs not saving them like they ought to? I MEAN THEY HAVE A STANDING OF LIKE 10.0 WITH CALDARI NAVY!!!! Edit: Originally by: baltec1 selective reading eh? This fills up tonight's irony-quota. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:17:00 - [46] Edited by: Shintai on 05/07/2008 23:17:29 Adapt or die. Web or neut their nano and see how fun it is for him when he dies. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Hesod Adee Militants of Xen	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Stab Wounds i thought if you avoid concord or the faction police it's considered an exploit and bannable Only if you do something to trigger a Concord response. However they are only attacking war targets, meaning no Concord response, meaning they aren't doing that exploit. Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Look for the thread yourself. I don't need to prove what I already read. And when he can't find it after he spends a few hours searching due to his incompetence, it would be quite reasonable for him to assume that it doesn't exist. Sadly the burden of proof is on you to show that it exists. Also it would be a useful link to have over on the Gallente Militia forums. Originally by: baltec1 Just to point out. The NPC navy were promised to help defend players in their factions high sec which they are not doing because of this "trick". Keyword: help. As in they expect the players to do some of the work. Originally by: baltec1 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=811261 I should have made you look for it like you made the other guy who asked you. And yes, I do expect the navy to help me, its what I was told would happen by the devs in every blog they made on FW. All I see there is a Dev asking for a bug report. Meaning that dev didn't have enough information to call it one way or the other.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Hesod Adee Originally by: baltec1 Just to point out. The NPC navy were promised to help defend players in their factions high sec which they are not doing because of this "trick". Keyword: help. As in they expect the players to do some of the work. Yes, help. Something they are not doing because of this tactic. Originally by: baltec1 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=811261 Quote: I should have made you look for it like you made the other guy who asked you. And yes, I do expect the navy to help me, its what I was told would happen by the devs in every blog they made on FW. All I see there is a Dev asking for a bug report. Meaning that dev didn't have enough information to call it one way or the other. hence why I said confusion over the official stance.
Carrier Eleven Gallente EVE Posting Service	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:38:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Doing this is not considered an exploit by our dear Customer Support team. FROM Another Caldari Ink Spewing thread
Anneka Tong B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Napro is CCP gonna fix this? Or punish those involved? Depends on whether CCP thinks this is a problem. What did CCP actually say that Faction Warfare is for? I think CCP said it was something about small gang pvp without a lot of strings attached. I need a source though for that. If it's for people to be able to form casual groups and go and shoot other people, then is this sort of thing harming that? Who is hurt (if anyone) by this sort of thing? Many people need isk to fight in this faction warfare, as they cannot cover their losses with the income from their kills. If they can't make isk, then they can't continue in FW. Same as for any other kind of war in EVE. So what? People in player corps can retire the corp from the militia to make isk then sign up again, so it's just a bit inconvenient. People in the npc militia corp would have to be a bit more creative. E.g. they can choose less popular systems to do missions for isk, because those systems are much less likely to be affected by the opposition - lack of targets. Or they could have a non-militia moneymaker character/account. (Not such a good idea - EVE could do with less of that sort of thing). So, they'd be inconvenienced somewhat, but not all that much. Is this inconvenience enough that fairly casual people (faction warfare's intended customers? I need a source for that) aren't interested in signing up for faction warfare? Then it's a problem. But, I don't see that many people actually losing interest, so I don't see that there's a problem.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:49:00 - [51] Lol 7000 members in the caldari militia and you cant stop a small gang in your core systems.
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:52:00 - [52] FOOM's high-sec raids: Trying to reduce lag for YOU, the Caldari non-militia member mission runner, since June 2008. \o/
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Stab Wounds i thought if you avoid concord or the faction police it's considered an exploit and bannable? CONCORD yes, faction navy no. It was always possible to tank the faction navy in the past and I've seen people (well TankCEO anyway) chaining them as if they were rats. CCP buffed the faction navy for EA but that doesn't mean they're untankable or that it has suddenly become and exploit. - Join Frontal Impact Racing Team & feel the speed!
Roguehalo Caldari RH Ship Brokers	Posted - 2008.07.06 00:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Esmenet Lol 7000 members in the caldari militia and you cant stop a small gang in your core systems. You are exactly correct in your assertion that the totality of the Caldari Militia can't stop a small gang in Tama. You would probably like to make the assumption from this fact that the whole 7000 members of the Caldari Militia are completely stupid. However the actuality is that Eve is currently TOTALLY imbalanced and the current situation in Tama is merely symptomatic of that fact.
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.07.06 00:39:00 - [55] Originally by: baltec1 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=811261 I should have made you look for it like you made the other guy who asked you. And yes, I do expect the navy to help me, its what I was told would happen by the devs in every blog they made on FW. Selective reading ftw. Try reading this part of the thread where Wrangler specifically says it is not an exploit. - Join Frontal Impact Racing Team & feel the speed!
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.06 01:07:00 - [56] The problem isn't that FOOM are some uber pvpers (lets face it, you're probably average in the grand scheme of things), but that NPC AI is painfully bad. If you have a group of ships warping around, and another group sitting at a station, which would make more sense to attack? I know how the faction NPCs work, and it's fun flying around in Gallente highsec solo just shooting small solo ships here and there, but if there's a bunch of alts warping around in shuttles, I shouldn't be able to sit at a station blowing up people in militias with as little risk as I'd have in lowsec where there aren't handicaps in place that are suppose to prevent, or make hard, the ability to do this. I mean honestly, cap at 10 set of ships? Really? I think the smallest gang I ever joined and didn't form, was 30-40 strong, including the mandatory boatload of alts of gal/min militia players. If nothing changes I'll be rather surprised, but I really do think something's going to get changed, since I'm sure the faction navies were intended to be a pain to have to put up with if you want to sit and siege highsec, not circumvent by having alts warping around.
Weakmind	Posted - 2008.07.06 02:08:00 - [57] Edited by: Weakmind on 06/07/2008 02:09:13 Originally by: Esmenet Lol 7000 members in the caldari militia and you cant stop a small gang in your core systems. This made me think of FOOM and how BRUCE was incapable of not dying to a considerable smaller force over and over and over and over - eventually packing their backs and fleeing (will caldari militia take the ball and go home also?) Guess FOOM has learned something at least - maybe. (and no FOOM arent great PVPers, says more about caldari militia than them TBH)
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.06 02:10:00 - [58] Edited by: Esmenet on 06/07/2008 02:11:02 Originally by: Thorradin The problem isn't that FOOM are some uber pvpers (lets face it, you're probably average in the grand scheme of things), but that NPC AI is painfully bad. The problem obviously seems to be that the caldari militia dont respond to attacks in caldari space and make even average pvp'ers look good. What do you need NPC's for?
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.06 02:51:00 - [59] these threads make me proud to not be caldari - -
Dealer Alexia	Posted - 2008.07.06 02:55:00 - [60] moar caldari tears ^_^ nomnomnom.

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