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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:31:00 -
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This time they're (gall or min) using the exploit in Komo/Motsu.
So um , is CCP gonna fix this? Or punish those involved?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/07/2008 20:32:37
When are you going to punish the involved by doing the same to them? 
Probably not wise if its classified as a exploit, but for the brave and stupid...
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Its dead, Jim.
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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:33:00 -
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First of all theres no way I could do it to "them"... the only ones I'd be harassing are Gallente/Minnies that play by the rules and have no part of this.
Secondly, I don't use exploits
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:35:00 -
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If they avoid the empire navy spawn by warping around wouldn't it destroy their tactic by keeping one of them, you know, warp scrambled?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Abrazzar
If they avoid the empire navy spawn by warping around wouldn't it destroy their tactic by keeping one of them, you know, warp scrambled?
what is this warp scrambling device and how do I find one?
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:45:00 -
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How do you know they are exploiting? Maybe they are doing something to keep the navy busy while some of them can gank?
You must explain exactly how they are exploiting or else it isn't an exploit.
Proof or stfu.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
If they avoid the empire navy spawn by warping around wouldn't it destroy their tactic by keeping one of them, you know, warp scrambled?
thats not how this trick works
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/07/2008 20:47:39
Its interesting, because Navy is not supposed to be like Concord with their wtfpwnbbq thing. Keeping them busy may be within what is allowed/intended. We'll see when CCP has made up their minds about this.
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Hades MoonShine
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:49:00 -
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Or theres the thing called fighting back, Tend's to happen in wars ya know ?
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Louis DelaBlanche
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.05 20:58:00 -
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Its not an exploit (yet). If u assumed highsec would make u invulnerable in what amounts to a glorified empire war; you deserve to be caught with ur pants down by ur enemy.
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Stab Wounds
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:01:00 -
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i thought if you avoid concord or the faction police it's considered an exploit and bannable?
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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche
Its not an exploit (yet). If u assumed highsec would make u invulnerable in what amounts to a glorified empire war; you deserve to be caught with ur pants down by ur enemy.
So one of the exploiters speaks...
Keep harassing haulers then, we'll just keep killing you guys in the real war zones
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
How do you know they are exploiting? Maybe they are doing something to keep the navy busy while some of them can gank?
You must explain exactly how they are exploiting or else it isn't an exploit.
Proof or stfu.
Already went out and tested to see what they were doing to avoid the NPC navy for another thread. Its rather easy although the poor guy in the nano ship is not going to be having much fun.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:15:00 -
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Yeah, I watched them for quite some time in my stealth bomber and whatever they are doing, a warp scrambler will not help. Le Skunk had a post that covered most of the possibilities, it's quoted on my blog.
Bottom line, though, there fleet was not that large. The whole time I was in Motsu there was a bigger fleet of our guys sitting in Nourv yelling for more bodies to "clean up Tama". I think cleaning up Motsu might have been more fun.
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Black Leather
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
This time they're (gall or min) using the exploit in Komo/Motsu.
Sounds like a target rich environment to me.
On my way!
Yee Haa 
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:22:00 -
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Posting in a "Caldari just got owned again" thread.
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 05/07/2008 21:32:24
Rather than rehash it all over in another thread, here's the high points that will be covered again soon.
1. CCP has confirmed it is NOT an exploit in their view. Deal with it. You may not like it, and that's fine. It also doesn't matter two bits what you like.
2. We are currently four jumps from a MAJOR Caldari Militia rendezvous. Cry to your militia-mates who do nothing to protect you.
3. The Caldari Navy is NOT Concord. You are NOT intended to be completely safe. You joined an EMPIRE WAR. That means Empire isn't safe.
4. You are more than capable of doing the same thing to the Gallente or Minmatar. You just lack the organization and determination.
5. You also have the option of leaving the militia. We'd prefer you take that one - it's why we're doing it. :)
6. I know for a fact that at least one Caldari militia member has been spamming one of the systems around Motsu with warnings, and I'd imagine that the militia chat has said something more than once, too.
In short: Anyone dying needs a lesson in pain, and a lesson in awareness.
Enough polite explanation: Get over it or get out.
FOOM.
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Dealer Alexia
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dealer Alexia on 05/07/2008 21:36:12
... posting in an 'Caldari Militia Epic Fail Thread.'
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
I'd imagine that the militia chat has said something more than once, too.
You would be amazed how little got said during the first half hour you were in Motsu. If it's not dying in Tama, milchat doesn't want to hear about it.
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Stab Wounds
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 05/07/2008 21:32:24
1. CCP has confirmed it is NOT an exploit in their view. Deal with it. You may not like it, and that's fine. It also doesn't matter two bits what you like.
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proof or stfu, i don't think ccp intended anyone to be able to tank the faction police for unlimited amount of time.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:37:00 -
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Posting in a "Friedrick Psitalon attempting-to-be-relevant-again" thread..
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds
proof or stfu, i don't think ccp intended anyone to be able to tank the faction police for unlimited amount of time.
Yes they did. You obviously haven't read enough of the forums. :)
-Liang
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Edited by: Friedrick Psitalon on 05/07/2008 21:32:24
1. CCP has confirmed it is NOT an exploit in their view. Deal with it. You may not like it, and that's fine. It also doesn't matter two bits what you like.
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proof or stfu, i don't think ccp intended anyone to be able to tank the faction police for unlimited amount of time.
Look for the thread yourself. I don't need to prove what I already read.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Rather than rehash it all over in another thread, here's the high points that will be covered again soon.
1. CCP has confirmed it is NOT an exploit in their view. Deal with it.
2. We are currently four jumps from a MAJOR Caldari Militia rendezvous. Cry to your militia-mates who do nothing to protect you.
3. The Caldari Navy is NOT Concord. You are NOT intended to be completely safe. You joined an EMPIRE WAR. That means Empire isn't safe.
4. You are more than capable of doing the same thing to the Gallente or Minmatar. You just lack the organization and determination.
5. You also have the option of leaving the militia. We'd prefer you take that one - it's why we're doing it. :)
6. I know for a fact that at least one Caldari militia member has been spamming one of the systems around Motsu with warnings, and I'd imagine that the militia chat has said something more than once, too.
In short: Anyone dying needs a lesson in pain, and a lesson in awareness.
Enough polite explanation: Get over it or get out.
FOOM.
Just to point out. The NPC navy were promised to help defend players in their factions high sec which they are not doing because of this "trick".
The point of the navies is to stop people from camping gates and stations like jita 4-4 which is why they were beefed up. This workaround is not what the devs wanted or planned for. High sec attacks should possible but as hit and runs not extended seiges.
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Faydelm
Caldari
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Faydelm on 05/07/2008 21:50:42
nevermind
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:52:00 -
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That's your interpretation. CCP's obviously differs. My interpretation is that a significant force of capsuleers should not be stopped by simple NPCs without at least the most trivial of interference by other capsuleers. Even one pilot with determination and brains could disrupt our entire attack.
The Navy won't do your job for you. CCP has made it clear - until they change their mind, accept it and move on.
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Zantrei Kordisin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:52:00 -
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Wait, where was it said that this was an exploit? I think I've missed something.
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Jennai
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds
i thought if you avoid concord or the faction police it's considered an exploit and bannable?
concord yes, faction police/navy no
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.05 22:12:00 -
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And according to the interviews and dev blogs, Faction Warfare was supposed to be out two years ago. Obviously opinions and situations change - CCP has already said this is fine.
Just because you want something to be a certain way doesn't mean it is. Personally, I think it'd be pretty silly if high-sec space was safe during an empire war solely because of NPCs when your militia is 7000 members strong. All it takes is one pilot to disrupt us - if one in 7000 can't step up, you don't deserve the safety.
The Amarr, I could almost see reason to beef their NPCs - sure as heck not the militia that almost has a 2:1 advantage over the one harassing them.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.05 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
And according to the interviews and dev blogs, Faction Warfare was supposed to be out two years ago. Obviously opinions and situations change - CCP has already said this is fine.
Just because you want something to be a certain way doesn't mean it is. Personally, I think it'd be pretty silly if high-sec space was safe during an empire war solely because of NPCs when your militia is 7000 members strong. All it takes is one pilot to disrupt us - if one in 7000 can't step up, you don't deserve the safety.
The Amarr, I could almost see reason to beef their NPCs - sure as heck not the militia that almost has a 2:1 advantage over the one harassing them.
and just because you found a workaround doesnt make it legit.
A dev has said that its not considered an exploit yet, others are looking into it as a possible exploit and others are telling victims to petition the losses. Its a mixed message from CCP at the moment.
I joined this war knowing high sec wouldnt be safe, but I do expect the NPC navy to turn up to aid me as advertised. It might be late or it might not but it should turn up.
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