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Spineker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:30:00 -
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I want a stealth bomber Drake with 7 cruise launchers
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Aeo IV
Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Wait... first you say that frigates should be easier to kill, then you suggest cruise missiles should be replaced with torps?
Well, ether or: if they could fire torps they'd be more able to do more damage to battleships/etc. on the other hand, if they had bonuses to cruise missiles so they'd be able to hit frigates and do more damage, that'd be fine too.
They just seem underspecialized for t2 ship; SBs are suppose to be powerful ships, but fragile, but currently lack the firepower and/or role bonuses to be truly proficient at their weapon of choice. Of course, missiles in general seem to be pretty bad at hitting small ships as is. 
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Spurty
Caldari The Pikey Rebellion II
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:44:00 -
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OP, you miss the point of MMOs. YOu are supposed to be out there in NUMBERS, none of this 'Johnny no mates soloing around the cosmos' fluff. All you need to do is throw more manticores at the problem.
About 45 should have a high enough alpha to pop the drake
So, yes you are correct, just had the number of manticores too low to solve the problem. -- Two fat blokes in a pub, one says to the other "your round." The other one says "So are you, you fat git!" |

ElCholo
Minmatar The SMITE Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
/thread win.
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Spineker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:46:00 -
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That is silly. I solo all the time. The manticore can wtfpwn frigs before they know what happened. I don't take on Battlecruiser with a frigate T2 or otherwise.
I will shoot at some T1 cruisers also especially if I am lurking around fleet battles and will be ignored mostly.
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: linton strong if a manticore decloaks the opponent shoul dbe stunned into indecusssion or maybe given a saving throw to see if they can flee! but not fire back!
my god
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D'ceet
Shadows of the Dead Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:49:00 -
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Spurty
Caldari The Pikey Rebellion II
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker That is silly. I solo all the time. The manticore can wtfpwn frigs before they know what happened. I don't take on Battlecruiser with a frigate T2 or otherwise.
I will shoot at some T1 cruisers also especially if I am lurking around fleet battles and will be ignored mostly.
heh please please please do this while I'm in an eagle / muninn. I promise you wont feel a thing -- Two fat blokes in a pub, one says to the other "your round." The other one says "So are you, you fat git!" |

Absolom Hues
Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aeo IV
... SBs are suppose to be powerful ships, but fragile, but currently lack the firepower and/or role bonuses to be truly proficient at their weapon of choice. Of course, missiles in general seem to be pretty bad at hitting small ships as is. 
have you flown a Stealth Bomber? My Nemesis has performed plenty of one volley kills on frigates. Bombers are fine and are meant to be flown in fleet operations.... ___
Serving the Gallente Federation... one Caldari ship at a time.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues have you flown a Stealth Bomber? My Nemesis has performed plenty of one volley kills on frigates. Bombers are fine and are meant to be flown in fleet operations....
I don't know what you're doing, but you're doing it totally wrong. You should have ineffective DPS and die before anyone else in your fleet.
If you can't fly a SB right, trash it and go back to T1. :)
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Aeo IV
Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues
Originally by: Aeo IV
... SBs are suppose to be powerful ships, but fragile, but currently lack the firepower and/or role bonuses to be truly proficient at their weapon of choice. Of course, missiles in general seem to be pretty bad at hitting small ships as is. 
have you flown a Stealth Bomber? My Nemesis has performed plenty of one volley kills on frigates. Bombers are fine and are meant to be flown in fleet operations....
I have flown them.
I understand they're good in fleets, but that seems to contradict the whole stealth part, at least in part.
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D'ceet
Shadows of the Dead Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues Bombers are fine and are meant to be flown in fleet operations....
uhm, no they are not, lets say, we're on the same fleet, if i see you in a stealth bomber, im going to pod you myself. SB's are not to be flown in fleets, sure they have good dps, but you want something with survivability in those long drawn out battles...fly a Raven, its like TWO manticores AND has a tank

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Spineker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Spineker That is silly. I solo all the time. The manticore can wtfpwn frigs before they know what happened. I don't take on Battlecruiser with a frigate T2 or otherwise.
I will shoot at some T1 cruisers also especially if I am lurking around fleet battles and will be ignored mostly.
heh please please please do this while I'm in an eagle / muninn. I promise you wont feel a thing
Why would I do that? If you are in a fleet battle are you going to hold your guns cold waiting on a SB to show up? Didn't think so you will be engaged and I will pop one of your frigs or crusiers and stealth away laughing.
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D'ceet
Shadows of the Dead Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Spineker That is silly. I solo all the time. The manticore can wtfpwn frigs before they know what happened. I don't take on Battlecruiser with a frigate T2 or otherwise.
I will shoot at some T1 cruisers also especially if I am lurking around fleet battles and will be ignored mostly.
heh please please please do this while I'm in an eagle / muninn. I promise you wont feel a thing
Why would I do that? If you are in a fleet battle are you going to hold your guns cold waiting on a SB to show up? Didn't think so you will be engaged and I will pop one of your frigs or crusiers and stealth away laughing.
and then the interceptors will close in on you, tackle you, and destroy you. trust me, stealth bombers are very vulnerable when they decloak.
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Nyza Lobot
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:03:00 -
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The fact that so many players "Agree with OP" makes me want to cry.
If you look at this tree of sizes of ships.
1. Frigate 1.5 Destroyer 2. Cruiser 2.5 Battlecruiser 3. Battleship 4. Cap ships (can be further subdivided)
Now, a SB is a frigate, yes, a T2 frigate, but a frigate nonetheless. It can easily best other ships its size, usually destroyers, and often cruisers. The battlecruiser is MUCH larger than a frigate (2.5 times larger according to my chart, yes I made it up off the top of my head). T2 ships are not meant to be the WTFomgLOLroflPWNshipsOFD00M, they are SPECIALIZED ships. They perform certain roles. Mauraders and Black Ops (T2 battleships) cannot solo pwn capital ships EVEN though they are "t2" ships, and so it should be. They have SPECIALIZED ROLES.
To summerize, SB are not meant to be able to solo any ship in the game and win. They have a certain niche to fill, and that does not include the ability to solo kill ships 2 and 1/2 classes larger than it.
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Spineker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:03:00 -
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It could happen but it doesn't in fleet battles, one little blip isn't going to matter on a overview with 30 targets, fire and leave before it registers. Tacklers going to run away from a pointed BS to go after a frigate 100 km away?
Its really not difficult to do and is fun and the SB is a blast if used correctly. I could possibly get tackled in any thing shit happens.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tamia Clant on 07/07/2008 22:04:17
Originally by: Nyza Lobot The fact that so many players "Agree with OP" makes me want to cry.
The fact that you didn't get that 99% of them were being sarcastic and just following the bandwagon makes me want to cry.
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Darla Dawson
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant Edited by: Tamia Clant on 07/07/2008 22:04:17
Originally by: Nyza Lobot The fact that so many players "Agree with OP" makes me want to cry.
The fact that you didn't get that 99% of them were being sarcastic and just following the bandwagon makes me want to cry.
the fact thet you didn't get that the OP has 6 accouts X 3 toons per account = 17 toons to agree with him makes me wanna cry :P
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Darla Dawson the fact thet you didn't get that the OP has 6 accouts X 3 toons per account = 17 toons to agree with him makes me wanna cry :P
Holy crap, that's some serious dedication to forum warrioring.
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R Sharpe
Tachyon Force
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:30:00 -
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thread of the century
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mentalmonkey
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: mentalmonkey on 07/07/2008 22:31:59 Posting in an epic thread.
/signed I have read the OP's proposal(s) and, having considered them carefully wholeheartedly agree.
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The RedPlague
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:45:00 -
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I HAD to latch onto this thread .... Cheers,
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Kaaii
Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker I want a stealth bomber Drake with 7 cruise launchers
Thats a widow....er no wait, thats a p.o.s
nerf widows! nerf all BOBS they are way to big and take up too much dust in my hanger...!!! I need dust for my other ships!!! elven11!!
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:04:00 -
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:07:00 -
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^^ If you were waiting for the right opportunity to post that, this was NOT the right thread.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant ^^ If you were waiting for the right opportunity to post that, this was NOT the right thread.
i knoe
that makes it win evan moar :P
besides, my laptop dosent have checkbox flames :(
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Maridius Secundus As both a manticore and drake pilot, hell no! Just because its t2 does not mean that it should beat a t1!
Why not?! It's maths, man, maths! 2 > 1
But 3>2 and 3 is friends with 1 so....
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Awesome
crumplecorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn! ...
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Threv Echandari
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:22:00 -
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WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
and I say that as a Manticore pilot.
Happiness is a Wet Pod
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Johnny Darkseid
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:24:00 -
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/agree totally with op.
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