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Val Streth
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:46:00 -
[91]
RAWR WHY CANT I SOLO A BATTLECRUISER IN A FRIGATE
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
UNSPEAKABLE
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:09:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 08/07/2008 01:12:07
Anyone else thinking about warping a manticore in a 300 Pilot Fleet?
You have two free minutes, even a Titan wont move.
1. decloak
2. Pop some
3. cloak
4. ????
5. profit
6. repeat step 1
if you have enough profit
7. buy a black ops (Instadeath to all T1)
8. repeat step 1
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Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:13:00 -
[93]
 Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Anyone else thinking about warping a manticore in a 300 Pilot Fleet?
1. lag
2. decloak
3. lag
4. ????
5. die
6. repeat step 1
fixt
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:13:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Awesome
crumplecorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn!
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DesuSigs |
Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:19:00 -
[95]
Quote:
Why can't I solo a Drake in a Manticore?????
Because the drake has a tank, and the manticore doesn't.
You also can't solo a well setup passive-drake in the following T2 ships:
Rapier
Huginn
Curse
Pilgrim
Falcon
Rook
Arazu
Lachesis
Any Interceptor
Any Interdictor
Vagabond
Muninn
Cerberus
Eagle
Ishtar
Nighthawk
It might be possible in a high DPS Deimos, Zealot, but really just use a Commandship or a battleship.
Nothing special, not big or clever, just 20 fighters and one hell of a tank.... |
Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:21:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Anyone else thinking about warping a manticore in a 300 Pilot Fleet?
1. lag
2. decloak
3. lag
4. ????
5. die
6. repeat step 1
stealth bombers arent suposed to lag!
fixt
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Ragnar Darkstar
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:29:00 -
[97]
If we're useing Star Trek rules I demand the ability to OMGWTFBBQ your Manticore by reversing the polarity on something.
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Yatta I
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:38:00 -
[98]
im an alt so i agree with OP
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:43:00 -
[99]
Originally by: linton strong
I know I'm going to get get flamed here, but I really don't care because there is a major issue that needs to be brought to light so CCP can start acting on insane inconsistancies and start bringing a part of balance to the eve universe we so much love and hate and yes you know what I mean. Anyone who knows anything about stealth ships knows first and formost that a ship of stealth should have a decisive advantage over any other ship it engages, including larger ships. A manticore is a T2 ship and therefore, because it is T2, should have a marked advantage of a T1 ship like a drake. If a manticore decloaks any T1 ship it encounters should be given a two minute penalty during which it cannot return fire, engage any defensive systems, or flee. Anyone who watches start trek knows that the sight of a klingon ship decloaking strikes fear into the heart of opponents. I know this is not star trek but hell the same should hold true if a manticore decloaks the opponent shoul dbe stunned into indecusssion or maybe given a saving throw to see if they can flee! but not fire back!
lol.... stealth bombers arent single pvp ships... thats funny... im loling atm.... wow, mind posting the loss mail so i can see the fit?
sb's are great dps for frig gangs. for camps, for worlds collide (the only mission i enjoyed after being born into eve)
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Jennai
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2008.07.08 01:59:00 -
[100]
I soloed a ferox in a nemesis once
(it was a macrominer-protector ferox with one rocket launcher that wasted half its ammo shooting a roid and the other half trying to shoot me from out of range)
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Black Leather
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Posted - 2008.07.08 02:34:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Maridius Secundus
Should an assault ship be able to beat a drake? Or a maurauder a dread?
Yes
Oh...
Agree with OP
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Karanth
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.08 06:25:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Jennai
I soloed a ferox in a nemesis once
(it was a macrominer-protector ferox with one rocket launcher that wasted half its ammo shooting a roid and the other half trying to shoot me from out of range)
I miss the old days of ******ed bots and afk farmers without cloaks....
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.07.08 06:37:00 -
[103]
I agree with OP.
Also, the Eve box should come with a D20, and when there is any random chance of something happening in game we should roll out of game and type the result into a text box on screen.
20
20
20
20
19 ... oh wait, just kidding ... 20
Devs, are you listening and taking notes on this thread?
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PsychoBones
Sons of Plunder.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 06:39:00 -
[104]
Originally by: linton strong
stunned into indecusssion
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Delrik Johanian
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Posted - 2008.07.08 08:38:00 -
[105]
guys this is serious, my T2 Battleship the golem should be able to solo a carrier. It just makes sense.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2008.07.08 08:43:00 -
[106]
Obvious troll is obvious... I am astonished at how many people took the bait. :-)
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.08 08:47:00 -
[107]
Originally by: linton strong
I know I'm going to get get flamed here, but I really don't care because there is a major issue that needs to be brought to light so CCP can start acting on insane inconsistancies and start bringing a part of balance to the eve universe we so much love and hate and yes you know what I mean. Anyone who knows anything about stealth ships knows first and formost that a ship of stealth should have a decisive advantage over any other ship it engages, including larger ships. A manticore is a T2 ship and therefore, because it is T2, should have a marked advantage of a T1 ship like a drake. If a manticore decloaks any T1 ship it encounters should be given a two minute penalty during which it cannot return fire, engage any defensive systems, or flee. Anyone who watches start trek knows that the sight of a klingon ship decloaking strikes fear into the heart of opponents. I know this is not star trek but hell the same should hold true if a manticore decloaks the opponent shoul dbe stunned into indecusssion or maybe given a saving throw to see if they can flee! but not fire back!
quick tell me this is a troll with a sense of humor. I know that most of the human race is dumb as dirt but this takes it to a whole new level.
Seriously can someone be stupid enough to believe that by turning off your ADVANTAGE that you should get an even more UBER ADVANTAGE?? Its like "so if i shot myself in the head i should get to think 10times faster and remember everything perfectly!" lets face it if your turning off your cloak to go up against a drake your a ****ing tard. only reason to do that is if your working with a heavy tackler and want some extra dps that can hit from outside the range of the drake.
the bird of prey idea, thats startrek but the main point isnt that its the best ship possible, just that it was cloaked and decided to uncloak(turn it advantage off) when it was in a superior position. Turning off its cloake didnt make it go from a decent ship +cloak to Uberuncloaked ship. ffs, go train basic logic to level 1 before posting again. thats all assuming this wasnt a funny troll. my thoughts on most poeple out there leads me to suspect this is not a troll. so sad..
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Johann Jeneau
Gallente
Cricas Portuguese Korp
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Posted - 2008.07.08 09:48:00 -
[108]
Actually i think manticores are already working this way but the mechanics have to be perfected, at the momment as everybody knows the manticore is a fleet ship  , and only use in really big fleets, when they decloak they create an effect that resembles to lag, the only problem is that is also creating lag to the manticore pilot, now CCP just have to take the lag from the manticores and keep it to everyone else in the fleet.
I like my steaks bloody as hell |
Spineker
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.08 09:59:00 -
[109]
I vote for 30 second manticore mez spell and 15 second root oh and 10 second stun to follow up.
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TerrorBaBy
Caldari
Universal-Corp
The Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 10:08:00 -
[110]
Originally by: linton strong
I knew no one would agree with me but i'm sure the people who are crying foul are drake pilots and not manticore pilos, who have every reason to feel slighted by CCP who lured us to believe that manticores would own the skies and turned out to be the flying trash cans of the galaxy.
I don't fly drakes. I hate drakes. I think your idea sucks.
Originally by: linton strong
Manticore is T2, drake is T1, nuff said. Any mantiocre that decloaks on a T1 ship should be given a 2-3 minute advantage where the opponent is held immobile. like time stop or something.
I would 'lol' as it were, but the drake pilot probably did that for me when you decloaked and tried to kill him...
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Originally by: Constance Harme
It's like willfully getting into a car full of strangers and then being driven out to the woods and being shot.quote] |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.08 10:18:00 -
[111]
i support this message.
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Thorexion Lynch
Gallente
C R Y O
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Posted - 2008.07.08 11:54:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Thorexion Lynch on 08/07/2008 12:01:51
Edited by: Thorexion Lynch on 08/07/2008 11:59:55
Originally by: linton strong
I knew no one would agree with me but i'm sure the people who are crying foul are drake pilots and not manticore pilos, who have every reason to feel slighted by CCP who lured us to believe that manticores would own the skies and turned out to be the flying trash cans of the galaxy. Manticore is T2, drake is T1, nuff said. Any mantiocre that decloaks on a T1 ship should be given a 2-3 minute advantage where the opponent is held immobile. like time stop or something.
K...im curious do you carry around some spare stupid in your pockets just incase you run out?
This is quite possibly THE DUMBEST thing I have ever read on these forums.
Also, what gave you the impression stealth bombers "owned the skies"?
also OP is most likely a troll, if so...you made me lol.
if not...may god have mercy on your soul
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Pr0cy0n
Caldari
Primal Element
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:26:00 -
[113]
I agree with the op.
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linton strong
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:33:00 -
[114]
THANK YOU ALL
Thank you all for your support and sustained interest in this thread. Thank you, again, for calling me silly names like troll, idiot, etc.. Guilty as charged *rolls eyes*
Listen, my argument and point is valid. I realize that it takes a lot less time to become proficient in a drake than it does in a manticore, hence there are a lot more drake pilots out there than manticore pilots. Hence, again, that there are a lot more drake pilots available to cry at the thought of Manticore standing toe-to-toe with them in the field of battle. But the fact remains, and this is a FACT IT IS NOT IN DISPUTEthat the manticore is a T2 ship and the drake is a T1 ship. The manticore should be able to decloak behind a drake causing the drake to freeze for a period of time for 1 to 2 minutes during which time the drake pilot is rendered incapable of actions (an exception to this can be if th epilot is a real veteran with like 36 million + sp ie. 3 year plus veteran) anyone of lesser piloting skill would be stunned into inaction at the sight of a manticore decloaking astern.
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Revax Ktol
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:42:00 -
[115]
i support this thread
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Freja Asgaard
Minmatar
Loyalty projects
Sempiternus
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:42:00 -
[116]
why inprint a game mechanic that will dictate our actions ???
no thanks !! i like my freemind to act as I want thanks you very much !
if you want to disable a ship, you have to use some EW equipment like every other ship in the game !
theirs no good reason why the manticore(any SB) should have a free disable ability !
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linton strong
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:46:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Freja Asgaard
why inprint a game mechanic that will dictate our actions ???
no thanks !! i like my freemind to act as I want thanks you very much !
if you want to disable a ship, you have to use some EW equipment like every other ship in the game !
theirs no good reason why the manticore(any SB) should have a free disable ability !
Well spoken as a a drake pilot (probably)
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Mikael Mechka
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:50:00 -
[118]
linton strong, I say this with all due respect: "what are you on!?"
A manticore, a T2 FRIGATE, cannot possibly destroy a drake, a BATTLECRUISER, in 1v1. There is nothing you can do to stop the drake from warping out, if you have a tackle fitted you are in his missile range, which means you die.
Stealth Bombers are not meant to win against everything, EVER. Hell, even battleships take time to punch through a drake's tank. If a battleship with half a dozen cruise launchers needs time to punch the tank open, what makes you think a stealth bomber, with it's 3 cruise launchers can do it faster?
The bomber excels at fire support or surprise attacks against slow ships with weak tanks. Taking out battlecruisers by yourself is not one of them.
I'm sorry, your thread is completely illogical as Mr Spock would say.
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Freja Asgaard
Minmatar
Loyalty projects
Sempiternus
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:51:00 -
[119]
Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: Freja Asgaard
why inprint a game mechanic that will dictate our actions ???
no thanks !! i like my freemind to act as I want thanks you very much !
if you want to disable a ship, you have to use some EW equipment like every other ship in the game !
theirs no good reason why the manticore(any SB) should have a free disable ability !
Well spoken as a a drake pilot (probably)
nighhawk... but close anough 
honestly m8..... no ship should have buildin EW abilities.... use EW modules... have a friend with EW... team up with a caldari recon for the disable part.....
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linton strong
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:53:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Freja Asgaard
Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: Freja Asgaard
why inprint a game mechanic that will dictate our actions ???
no thanks !! i like my freemind to act as I want thanks you very much !
if you want to disable a ship, you have to use some EW equipment like every other ship in the game !
theirs no good reason why the manticore(any SB) should have a free disable ability !
Well spoken as a a drake pilot (probably)
nighhawk... but close anough
Go watch Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Remember the expression on Captain Estoban's face when the Bird of Prey decloaks behind them and one shots them out the sky. That should be the fear that a manticore evokes in T1 craft.
honestly m8..... no ship should have buildin EW abilities.... use EW modules... have a friend with EW... team up with a caldari recon for the disable part.....
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