With women making up almost 50% of the worlds population and with only around 4% of the population of EVE female, it makes sense to have a Female on the CSM. With a female on the CSM it would probably increase the number of female players and would give CCP something to advertise.

This would create true newbies in the process and allowing CCP to gather in more money for the company. The new revenue for the company will allow it to fix all the problems of EVE. If we managed to double the population of EVE and double CCP's money, surely they could fix the game.

Issler Dainze for CSM7. It just makes sense.
Cause lets face it. It's a sausage fest out here.

78% of statistics are made up and your threat honestly makes no sence.

How would having a female as the CSM make more people come to the game? Do you henestly think people in the real world know about eve and what gender the CSM are?.

As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)

Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.

I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:

- Avatar expression (emote system)
- Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc)
- Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)

Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.

I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.

I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization.

Yet Incarna is not something which we can ignore. Not only is it inevitable, it is a fundamental necessity if EVE is to achieve any status greater than that of an awkward niche MMO from a strange, sulfuric island where people eat sheepGÇÖs heads willingly and believe in elves.

The Gender Problem: It might be a ~bit~ hypocritical for a comically over-privileged white male such as myself to bring this up, but EVE has a serious gender problem. Where other MMOs have begun narrowing the gender gap significantly, EVE remains almost purely the province of neckbearded men. This is not a good thing, though you almost couldnGÇÖt hear that fact announced over the background misogyny of the playerbase - from the old bromides about EVE being GÇÿtoo hard for girlsGÇÖ to the utter nonsense of GÇÿgirls donGÇÖt like spaceshipsGÇÖ. While it might be equally sexist of me to suggest this, my impression is that Incarna will bring more women into the playerbase. Not because it is GÇÿSpace BarbiesGÇÖ - and that willbe the line of the reactionary neckbeards, look out for it - but because of the introduction of a distinct GÇÿcharacterGÇÖ in the avatar engine. For whatever reason, it seems that men are more willing than women to look past EVEGÇÖs spreadsheet problem and suffer through the learning curve, where many female gamers write the game off as a waste of time during the crash course.

So you're confirming your support for a pro-RMT candidate?

I noticed you seem to Bring up that Issler is pro-RMT every time you can't seem to think of anything to say. I may believe a lot of things about some of the CSM candidates but I will not sink to the level of out right lies. Even what you bring up for evidence doesn't even state RMT in EVE.

My knowledge of other MMO's out there is very limited I will admit due to my love of EVE, but I'm sure there are games out there that you can trade real money for in-game goods and bonuses allowing you to be more powerful in-game if you are rich in Real Life and do it legally according to those games EULA's

run a better female candidate next time

Not sure what the Goonsheep think would be a better female candidate? Someone who never argues with Mittens maybe?

dude you are getting creepy issler do you think he is creepy?

Not sure what the Goonsheep think would be a better female candidate? Someone who never argues with Mittens maybe?

But CSM has a strict role, its all about merit and ability.

Merit and Ability? Please explain The Mittani's presence on the CSM then.

Merit and Ability? Please explain The Mittani's presence on the CSM then.

with cutting insults like this you're sure to be the hit of third grade

Why the **** are you making a new thread for the same issues over and over again?

So you're confirming your support for a pro-RMT candidate?

[quote=Andski]
There is far more evidence the Mittani is pro-RMT than there is for Issler.

Not sure what the Goonsheep think would be a better female candidate? Someone who never argues with Mittens maybe?

There is far more evidence the Mittani is pro-RMT than there is for Issler.

Issler has a great thread right on the front page of this forum. That she is a woman shouldn't really be a factor in her getting voted into a CSM position tbh. People should vote on her positions and ability to change the game for the better.

noneoftheabove is basically the only csm candidate who actually failed to get 100 likes

even darius III managed it

he's still a little bitter

Please elaborate.

There is far more evidence the Mittani is pro-RMT than there is for Issler.

Nah. I never really committed to the run and was quite happy to shut it down and endorse Hans.



I don't think I'll bother, others have present screeds against Mittani on this subject, and I don't feel like I can do any better. I'll let their arguments stand.

My point was, there is no evidence (aside from one ambiguous conversation that Andski has decided to twist in that direction) of Issler supporting RMT.

Thanks for Your Support for Issler. I agree that her's is a great thread.

This game needs new players to grow and prosper. Frankly I don't think the Olde Boys Club is going to be able to figure out what additions women would like, in order to make this game more appealing to them.

Wow, I'm surprised it took Frying Doom this long to resort to transphobic attacks.

With a female on the CSM it would probably increase the number of female players and would give CCP something to advertise.

So no evidence then. In other words, you did a red herring in order to detract from the point.

Pot...kettle..black.

I personally have no evidence and don't make the accusation that the Mittani does support RMT.

I make the observation that more people have posted evidence and the accusations about Andski's chosen candidate being a supporter RMT than of Issler, who Andski rather unfoundedly accuses.

In fact I'd say Andski's accusation is the red herring.

Do you even know what that term is? Let me answer that question for you. No, you don't

vote for issler if you support this

Jesus, you pathetic space nerd, stop fawning over the fact that you found a female online. You did, congratulations. Go get a girlfriend. Then you will realize that women aren't any more inherently intelligent than men. CSM should be based on merit and ideas. Like it or not, Mittani got **** done in CSM6, far more than CSM1-5 combined did. He's more than done enough to ensure another term as chairman, and I'm going to love seeing your continued tears once he is re-elected.

If this issler has the requisite support, she will get a seat. You are obviously a sad lonely male so it is understandable that you'd be motivated to vote for someone simply because they have a vagina, but creating a thread supporting her where all you say in the OP is that she's a female and CCP can turn her into some kind of nerd-attracting magnetic is highly demeaning and suggests that she has no valid ideas and only a vagina/pair of **** to offer. Although, admittedly, as a Mittani supporter I find it quite amusing that you're torpedoing the chances of the very candidate you claim to support. Please continue making threads where you talk about her gender while ignoring any ideas she may have.

Pot...kettle..black.

I personally have no evidence and don't make the accusation that the Mittani does support RMT.

I make the observation that more people have posted evidence and the accusations about Andski's chosen candidate being a supporter RMT than of Issler, who Andski rather unfoundedly accuses.

In fact I'd say Andski's accusation is the red herring.

You confirmed the validity of my accusations of Issler defending RMT - there is more /real/ evidence that Mittens is anti-RMT than otherwise. A bunch of pubbies bleating on the forums doesn't quite count as evidence.

I see you are still dribbling about the same rubbish with no proof or even a statement from someone else to claim as truthful. Change the tune or are the goons so worried about Issler to need to sink this low.

Unlike apparently you and your leader. Who cares about going to iceland. We know The Mittani does that's why he wants chairman to guarantee his ride on a plane.

Issler cares about the future of EVE and its not 100% certain Mittens is chairman. I'm not going to say anything as silly as Issler is the new chaiman neither will I say The Mittani is either.

Frankly after reading all the hard work Issler has done on Wis and the long term future of EVE, bugger it if you need to call Issler a space barbie, Shut the hell up, if you need to cast slurs about RMT, shut the hell up. If you want to Drivel crap, Shut the hell up.

Clear?

Unlike apparently you and your leader. Who cares about going to iceland. We know The Mittani does that's why he wants chairman to guarantee his ride on a plane.

Issler cares about the future of EVE and its not 100% certain Mittens is chairman. I'm not going to say anything as silly as Issler is the new chaiman neither will I say The Mittani is either.

Frankly after reading all the hard work Issler has done on Wis and the long term future of EVE, bugger it if you need to call Issler a space barbie, Shut the hell up, if you need to cast slurs about RMT, shut the hell up. If you want to Drivel crap, Shut the hell up.

Clear?

I pointed out that your candidate is a moron. You're white-knighting a girl on the internet. You're nothing more than a sad lil paste eater with an extra chromosome.

Clear?

frying doom: against posting drivel crap, for hilarious irony

our candidate is basically CSM 7 chairman now

your candidate probably doesn't have the votes for the bottom 7

yes we are "worried"

You confirmed the validity of my accusations of Issler defending RMT - there is more /real/ evidence that Mittens is anti-RMT than otherwise. A bunch of pubbies bleating on the forums doesn't quite count as evidence.

My girlfriend just got a good chuckle out of this. To quote her:

"Some d*ke thinks that because she doesn't have a **** it makes her more eligible to be elected to something? ***** just gave all female gamers a bad name."

She then went back to playing EVE. <3

this thread is pretty embarrassing for everyone involved

If Mittens becomes chairman it's an indictment of the stupidity of Goonsheep to vote as ordered. "Vote for ze party or you vill be shot and hung on ze vire as a varning to ze others!" Mittens claims credit for things that any CSM would have got good results with. Being chairman during the time that CCP had to go on bended knee to its playerbase and act humble was lucky for him, not caused by him. He might act like he whipped CCP into shape with what the players wanted, but truthfully CCP had to act humble after the Nex debacle. Whoever was on the CSM, the same thing would have happened.
I think it's very telling that Goonsmear are putting so much effort into dissing Issler. And very telling that Goons are pretty much the only people coming into the Issler threads to slag her off. I don't see everyone else in Eve complaining about her. I see a heck of a lot of hisec players talking about how she's got their vote.

If Mittens becomes chairman it's an indictment of the stupidity of Goonsheep to vote as ordered. "Vote for ze party or you vill be shot and hung on ze vire as a varning to ze others!" Mittens claims credit for things that any CSM would have got good results with. Being chairman during the time that CCP had to go on bended knee to its playerbase and act humble was lucky for him, not caused by him. He might act like he whipped CCP into shape with what the players wanted, but truthfully CCP had to act humble after the Nex debacle. Whoever was on the CSM, the same thing would have happened.
I think it's very telling that Goonsmear are putting so much effort into dissing Issler. And very telling that Goons are pretty much the only people coming into the Issler threads to slag her off. I don't see everyone else in Eve complaining about her. I see a heck of a lot of hisec players talking about how she's got their vote.

I still remember the first time I watched this video and thought to myself that here was CCP, making an apology to the EvE community, in a video with one of the biggest megalomanic dicks EvE Online has to offer (I don't hold it against CCP persay, he was the chairman of the CSM after all).

Good point

Personally I believe the goons:
don't like Wis because its not PVP
dont like Industry becuse its not PVP
don't like trading because its not PVP
dont like Hi-sec becuse its not free to PVP

Can a Goon please shred this post, kthxbai.

Personally I believe the goons:
don't like Wis because CCP had a chance to do it and screwed it up in an epic fashion while letting the rest of the game rot so it's kind of a poison pill now
love Industry but think mining is p. boring
have forgotten more about trade than you will ever know
likes Hi-sec because it has the whiniest targets in all of Eve

Can do!



Hey I fixed that for you hope you don't mind

Its about normal for the fear based views of Goonsheep. You fear other peoples views and have to shout at them. To be honest on the point of other people thinking for themselves I'm not sure if it's fear or jealousy because you are not allowed to in Goonswarm.

Personally I believe the goons:
don't like Wis because its not PVP
dont like Industry becuse its not PVP
don't like trading because its not PVP
dont like Hi-sec becuse its not free to PVP

Edit: Okay, now that dog fort has approved my posting nobody in goons will actually look at it again so here's what I couldn't tell you:

1. The Mittani hates WiS because it greatly increases the chances of Goons interacting with players outside GoonSwarm.
2. We aren't allowed to do industry at all because The Mittani gets a cut of all imports from Jita.
3. Our API is checked regularly to see if we've trained Trade skills. We're kicked if we've trained them but haven't been given permission to use the markets.
4. Hisec is where the most players are, which is why The Mittani doesn't want us to go there (see #1) or wants us to be so hated and feared that no one will talk to us if we do.

Actually I think it's more like Goonswarm don't want Wis because they are worried that no one will talk to them and they are in a lot of trouble if there is a /spit emote.

Being a Goon must be like being a leper, you can hang out with other lepers but no one else wants to be near you. Must be why I haven't heard of any surprise attacks by the goons on other null sec guys recently. They can hear the bells.

if wissler stops barbie emote loving, and focus just on mining, industry etc, i for one will stop trolling her,

Actually I think it's more like Goonswarm don't want Wis because they are worried that no one will talk to them and they are in a lot of trouble if there is a /spit emote.

Being a Goon must be like being a leper, you can hang out with other lepers but no one else wants to be near you. Must be why I haven't heard of any surprise attacks by the goons on other null sec guys recently. They can hear the bells.

Issler is pro-RMT

is this true?