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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 21/05/2004 10:53:20
If the ship is invulnerable, people will just struck colors and go offline...so: NO! ItŠs enought that people can use the cloaking exploit (that is still called a "valid tactic" by CCP) and can use bookmarks (that are still ingame to save the alliances and make us toast n00bs).
@RONAKIA:
DonŠt even try it. With us using bookmarks and cloaking-exploit (still called a valid...) now too, you will never get us. But try once CCP realizes that they donŠt understand their own game and surely donŠt understand their most fanatic fans and $-paying players.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:55:00 -
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Call it a "Stasis field". It can be used both tactically, and to surrender. It encloses the ship in an invulnerability shield while also zeroing velocity.
Obviously the device would be useful in a fleet battle where the enemy fleet is concentrating on -one- ship - that ship could activate the field to avoid instant destruction.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:57:00 -
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DeFood, shh now.
No Invulnerability. Exploit Exploit Exploit.
It just gives a chance for the pirate to know he has time to wait and agree a toll, if hes a ganker, your dead wether you raise the White flag or not.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:01:00 -
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Excellent idea.
This exactly what we need. On so many levels, including adding RP to pirating.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:06:00 -
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Dont tell me it is all about hate mails? What did you expect? Love letters?
No, but after receiving 5-6 hatemails:"you fu..... bit.., i kill you and your family...", i am in the mood to pod everyone.
An after we let some people pass that started to warn everyone to proced their journey, why should we let them go alive?
A lot of people just say "fu.. you" when opneing the toll convo or they are AFK, have autoreject convo "on" or reject -->podkill. A lso they try to tricj us and donŠt stop their pods, write they will pay but move towards the gate. Afetr 5-6 of these individuals, we podkill everything. If we wouldnt podkill at all, who would pay ISK???
Struck colors is a solution. Remove instajumps and cloaking exploit nessesairy too. Killing ships that gave up should cause concord to podkill the pirate in empire space too. Would make pirates think twice to destroy a ship with white flag.
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Drexciyian
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
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Yeah good idea but i dont think your a true pirate... You guys had my indy webbed and scrambled lastnight i wasnt going anywhere, i asked for you to stop and you kept firing, i asked zarq about taking payment but you proceded to destroy my pod which wasnt going anywhere (no mwd and warpcore stabs on those)
Read topic again, start first posting. We destroy because there is simply no time to toll and we cannot be sure if we have enought warpscramblers and webbers on you. Comprende? Do you even try to talk to our NPC-rat friends? No, you kill without warning, you donŠt even try to toll them ! Second reason to destroy pods is that the people warn other ships if we let them go alive. ThatŠs why we send them to a base, hoping itŠs far away. Thank the people that sit at gates and warn everybody incomming. Thank the people that we let pass alive and their hatemails we read after beeing kind to them.
My point was i was in a pod, warp scrambled and webbed, willing to pay, and for all you know i could have had 40mils worth of implants(i had none) There was no way for me to escape, you didnt even try to toll me.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:20:00 -
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Best idea for a long long time. needs to be tested and retested to avoid exploits
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 21/05/2004 11:24:50
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My point was i was in a pod, warp scrambled and webbed, willing to pay, and for all you know i could have had 40mils worth of implants(i had none) There was no way for me to escape, you didnt even try to toll me.
My point is : read it again! You might have hatemailed me or you might have warned people 1 jump away. And donŠt forget to ask CCP, why they dont give pirates a chance to improve their sec. status. I am -10, there is no reason for me to hold fire cause i will be -10 for years and will never be at 0 if i podkill or not. ItŠs not the pirates fault, itŠs CCP that makes the rules and we show them where they are bugged. Blob 
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Drexciyian
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
My point is : read it again! You might have hatemailed me or you might have warned people 1 jump away. And donŠt forget to ask CCP, why they dont give pirates a chance to improve their sec. status. I am -10, there is no reason for me to hold fire cause i will be -10 for years and will never be at 0 if i podkill or not. ItŠs not the pirates fault, itŠs CCP that makes the rules and we show them where they are bugged. Blob
Your point is totally invalid then, why do you want a surrender box when your gonna kill people who mite send you hate mail(which i would never do) and tell people down the road your their.
You've just admitted that you'll KOS anyone without tolling
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:42:00 -
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Good idea! Setec had a similiar idea but it got forgotten, hope it gets through this time.
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Drexciyian
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Drexciyian on 21/05/2004 11:53:05
Life my main point is, if you got someones pod hold hold fire, convo them they maybe be willing to pay to save of on clone/insurance, if they say FU drop em.
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: pHASE 11 on 21/05/2004 11:56:29
Good idea for everyone.
Pirates, pirate-hunters, alliances protecting their space and the victims on the receiving end.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 11:56:00 -
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Your point is totally invalid then, why do you want a surrender box when your gonna kill people who mite send you hate mail(which i would never do) and tell people down the road your their.
You've just admitted that you'll KOS anyone without tolling
Read it again ...itŠs not nessesairy to destroy a ship that struck its colors. There is plenty of time, the pray could avoid beeing destroyed, no need to write the hatemail after destruction and i could order the pray to log of or leave to a different gate after tolling, so that the pilot canŠt warn other ships. I could also order him to stay and watch the show in "white flag" modus. If he disables white flag modus without beeing allowed he has 20 seconds delay, so he can be warp scrambled or shot at again if he trys to trick us that way.
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Maric
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Posted - 2004.05.21 12:41:00 -
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I am -10, there is no reason for me to hold fire cause i will be -10 for years and will never be at 0 if i podkill or not.
You can start all over again. 
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 13:00:00 -
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No, there is no need to make a break - iŠll be -10 anyway, forever and forever - your bad fortune i guess
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Inconstant Moon
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Posted - 2004.05.21 13:57:00 -
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feeling guilty, Lifewire?
you and your cohort were destroying ships the instant they decloaked, whether they were aligning or not.
i vote No for this idea. i vote a very emphatic Yes for upgrading sentry guns to prevent these massacres happening in empire space. evidently, a pirate's life is far too easy.
please stop camping empire gates and go back to 0.0 or, at the very least, the <0.5 asteroid fields where we expect pvp.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.05.21 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 21/05/2004 14:23:30
i ve got the feeling that some ppl haven t understood the system proposed:
even after the change, there is no guaranty that the pirate wont simply kill you.
but there is a vastly increased chance that you ll be able to negotiate with him. think about it!
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Lachenlaud
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Posted - 2004.05.21 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
I actually think it would work better if pirates somehow had the option of stopping ships without killing them
Uhm.... they DO.
It's called Warp Scramble, Webify, Target Jam.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Lifewire on 21/05/2004 15:12:05
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It's called Warp Scramble, Webify, Target Jam.
Theory...attack my Tempest in your Scorp with 4 warpscrambler, 2 webbers and 2 sensor boosters - youŠll die quicker than you can count your medslots.
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you and your cohort were destroying ships the instant they decloaked, whether they were aligning or not.
And i told you why: ships could have up to 8 warpcorestabs and 2 mwds. Best way to stop them is to destroy them. Pods go to next system and start to warn the traffic. They also are mostly not nice in convos, so we better pod them to give them a reason for bad talking. Another reason: i do damage to them when they lose implants and pay for another clone - this means they might have problems to buy a BS and hunt me with 10-20 friends. Next reason: if we donŠt podkill people, why should people we toll in their pods pay?
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Damajink
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:05:00 -
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This is a good idea, however, the deal needs to work both ways - there needs to be some way for the person who is 'striking colours' to know that they will not be killed anyway. Otherwise, someone could just jump into a pirate, 'strike their colours' and then not be able to do anything while they are slowly pounded to death.
It needs to offer assurance to the toller that their prey won't run, and needs to offer assurance to the prey that they won't be ganked anyway. Else noone will bother doing it if they think they'll just end up in a worse-off position, and it'll be exactly the same situation.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 21/05/2004 15:16:39
Originally by: Inconstant Moon
feeling guilty, Lifewire?
you and your cohort were destroying ships the instant they decloaked, whether they were aligning or not.
i vote No for this idea. i vote a very emphatic Yes for upgrading sentry guns to prevent these massacres happening in empire space. evidently, a pirate's life is far too easy.
please stop camping empire gates and go back to 0.0 or, at the very least, the <0.5 asteroid fields where we expect pvp.
We have been in 0.0 for months, that's where the fun is for me, but the profit is in 0.1-0.4 systems.
If you want us to go back to 0.0 attacking alliances then just transfer me and other corps' ceos all the money we need to cover our losses. I wish this to be on a weekly basis, we can discuss about the amount of cash in a private conversation if you want.
'For the farmer it's just harvesting day, for the carrots it's the holocaust!'
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:19:00 -
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there needs to be some way for the person who is 'striking colours' to know that they will not be killed anyway. Otherwise, someone could just jump into a pirate, 'strike their colours' and then not be able to do anything while they are slowly pounded to death
Nope, itŠs the pilots decision and only a feature. Nobody has to struck the colors. TheyŠll just be able to do if they want. For example an indy, 6x warpscrambled and double webbed should try it, because heŠll die anyway if he doesnt give up to move towards the gate or away from it. And i said that concord should podkill players in 1.0-0.5 that destroyed ships that used the feature. There is a difference between firing at ships that are still figthing or trying to escape and ships that have struck the colors. One thing is war/piracy the other psychopathic murdering.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Damajink
This is a good idea, however, the deal needs to work both ways - there needs to be some way for the person who is 'striking colours' to know that they will not be killed anyway. Otherwise, someone could just jump into a pirate, 'strike their colours' and then not be able to do anything while they are slowly pounded to death.
It needs to offer assurance to the toller that their prey won't run, and needs to offer assurance to the prey that they won't be ganked anyway. Else noone will bother doing it if they think they'll just end up in a worse-off position, and it'll be exactly the same situation.
Somehow I can't see people flying a surrender flag if they can escape, so the only people using this will be those who are about to get ganked anyway.
Letting those who cant escape declare themselves invulnerable is just stupid. If you dont want to take the risk that the pirate might gank you anyway, this isnt mandatory. After all, its not like anyone is going to use surrender as an alternative to escape, theyll only do it if theres nothing left.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:28:00 -
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Somehow I can't see people flying a surrender flag if they can escape, so the only people using this will be those who are about to get ganked anyway.
Perhaps you change your mind after you got podkilled 5 x in an indy and lost tons of items you need and we sell for low price to get fast money. Would be much easier for you to have time to pay a toll instead of buying new clone, new ship, new items ore minerals or whatever you had loaded.
But np: i note your name and wonŠt toll you, ok?
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Marias
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:41:00 -
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Striking, \o/.
Invulnerability, boo. Striking your colors does not and should not in EVE give you any certainty of living. It's an agreement of gentlemen: "We've struck, our guns have fallen silent, please stop shooting at us whilst you send a prize crew and lift me sword from me waist."
There's enough idiocy with invulnerability already; see cloak logging. There's no need for more things that will be exploited.
However, a command to vast firing, stop moving, and have a brilliantly bright signal denoting, "Don't blow me up plz.  " would be great. Pirates wouldn't have to accidently blow you and your implants to kingdom come simply because they don't know if you're really stopping, or trying to run - it'd be pretty obvious.
Naturally, some people just won't care. Others will launch a few too many torpedos before you strike. Well, Protien Delicacies happen, as well they should.
I'd also love to see a way to take possession more easily if you have infact gotten them out of their ship. Your choices now are to have someone fly out with a shuttle, or lose your own ship.  Maybe some sort of navigational drones that move really slow and allow the ship to be rather easily retaken while in transit, up until the point when it'll dock with a pre-designated station. 
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 21/05/2004 15:47:02
Originally by: Lifewire
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Somehow I can't see people flying a surrender flag if they can escape, so the only people using this will be those who are about to get ganked anyway.
Perhaps you change your mind after you got podkilled 5 x in an indy and lost tons of items you need and we sell for low price to get fast money. Would be much easier for you to have time to pay a toll instead of buying new clone, new ship, new items ore minerals or whatever you had loaded.
But np: i note your name and wonŠt toll you, ok?
Life, stop drinking and read this guy's post again when you're sober 
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Nuladen
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:48:00 -
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The whole problem with pirating is the fact that it takes far too long to start convo's so it's easier to kill people on sight.
My solution, three buttons:
1) Surrender or Die!
Sends a popup-window or warning of some sort to the target instantly which needs to be replied to by the next two buttons.
2) Yield
Sends a Yield response to the pirate, stops his weapons from firing until he turns them back on and brings the yielding ship to a complete lockdown(no cap/shield recharge and no module useage allowed)
3) You'll never catch me scum!!!
Sends the 'up yours' signal back to the pirate and everything continues as if no comms had happened at all.
Just my 2pc worth.
Nul.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:49:00 -
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@xpohoc:
Why? I could imagine people that see 5-6 pirates at the gate, know that the chance to escape in an Indy is 1% and they strike the colors because they already tryed it 5 x to escape and got podded.
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Vel Kyri
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:53:00 -
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thats a pretty good one :)
some signal you send where they respond.
if they respond "surrender" it turns of the targets modules - and the attacked has guns stopped.
excellent idea :)
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.05.21 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Perhaps a key/click to "struck colors" would be a good solution for the victims of piracy. If a pilot "strucks colors" his ship automatically stops, aborts warp alingning and gets a white fat square. If he enables any item or moves ship the white fat square is removed and he has a 20 second delay to go on.
This idea because pirates have simply not enought time to decide if they want to toll a ship or destroy it. For example a frigate is simply to fast to get the pirate gang to hold fire. So we mostly decide just to destroy the ship and get the loot. But we saw a lot of people writing "stop, donŠt kill me" in local - too late to hold fire.
mmm Me LIKES very much.
What about rendering the ship completly unable to do annything such as jump,move,use modules and so on. And have a set timer on it so that it cant bee exploited??
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