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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:11:00 -
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Perhaps a key/click to "struck colors" would be a good solution for the victims of piracy. If a pilot "strucks colors" his ship automatically stops, aborts warp alingning and gets a white fat square. If he enables any item or moves ship the white fat square is removed and he has a 20 second delay to go on.
This idea because pirates have simply not enought time to decide if they want to toll a ship or destroy it. For example a frigate is simply to fast to get the pirate gang to hold fire. So we mostly decide just to destroy the ship and get the loot. But we saw a lot of people writing "stop, donŠt kill me" in local - too late to hold fire.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 21/05/2004 09:17:51
I LIKE IT! 
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:17:00 -
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Agreed. So agreed.
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Neko Makai
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:25:00 -
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now THATs a good idea, you have my vote. Also means there is no excuse for allience blockades to ACCIDENTYL kill me when i accidently stumble across their borders. I just raise my white flag
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lash
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:29:00 -
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I like this idea alot. It would finally ease some of the thoughts of people who are saying " if i go any lower than 0.5 security space, I will loose my ship."
Right now too many people have this common fear that for some reason pirates are going to insta-gank you as soon as you step foot into any 0.4 or lower systems. So people end up avoiding them like the plauge, and hug empire space to no end. At least with this idea they can toss up the white flag and have a bit better chance of surviving.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:34:00 -
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I think it would make the game much nicer, less hatemails, more roleplaying, less brutal destruction but more realistic piracy.
-őőh, CCP, donŠt forget to make it possible to stop a ship at a gate. The less time you let the pirates, the more likely they will just destroy the pray.
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agentsmitty
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:36:00 -
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Very nice idea, best idea ive heard in a while.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:37:00 -
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100% agreed.
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Nuladen
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:39:00 -
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Now that's a fine idea 
Nul.
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Maric
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Posted - 2004.05.21 09:41:00 -
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I like that too. Thing like that can save a lot of isk.
For example, last night you podded me, your loot was 25-30mil worth, but my loss was at least 80mil considering implants value. My pain was a lot bigger than your joy.
"Struck collors" could ease pain in the future.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:04:00 -
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@Maric:
DonŠt remeber you  simply too many names for my small brain . But yes: if you would struck colors it would give me time to toll and make a deal.
Imagine my work: your ship warps in, i lock it, enable two 20k warp-scramblers on you. You might have mwds or 3 warpcorestabs, so i press F1-F8 to "disable" all warpcorestabs and mwds as fast as possible. If i would see a white square in time i could hold fire, because i would be sure you donŠt warp or move for 20 seconds. Now there is time to discuss the toll details, we could also scan your ship hold and since i donŠt like all the crap people have in their holds, i would be happy to get some ISK and you would be happy to loose only 10 mil instead of 80.
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Maric
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:10:00 -
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"Struck colors" option must have more meaning: Any weapon of attacking ships must be blocked if trying to shoot on surending ship, also all smarboms in all ships in area must be blocked. If not, whats the point of surending? Mean player will kill you surending or not. Furthermore if smartbombs are not blocked, anyone can go close and kill you with smarts.
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Drexciyian
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Drexciyian on 21/05/2004 10:14:39
Yeah good idea but i dont think your a true pirate... You guys had my indy webbed and scrambled lastnight i wasnt going anywhere, i asked for you to stop and you kept firing, i asked zarq about taking payment but you proceded to destroy my pod which wasnt going anywhere (no mwd and warpcore stabs on those)
You would have made some money instad of 100k worth of junk you got  |
Maric
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Maric on 21/05/2004 10:18:06
 Originally by: Lifewire
@Maric:
DonŠt remeber you simply too many names for my small brain .
hold and since i donŠt like all the crap people have in their holds, i would be happy to get some ISK and you would be happy to loose only 10 mil instead of 80.
Let me refresh your memory: Last night, Aunenen system next to Nonni gate, Omen, 100k nocx loot. Shure you remember. Huge work goes *puf*. No fun. 
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Sonnett
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:17:00 -
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So let me get this right, instead of me coming through the gate and getting shot to bits and you stealing my stuff, I now have to give you time to scan me and have a little think before you shoot me to bits and steal my stuff.
Alternatively I could try and give you a substancial sum of money which I don't have before you shoot me to bits and steal my stuff.
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Garion Maki
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:18:00 -
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I like this idea in the way that it's like sticking your hands in the air to show that you surender.
if the atacker then kills you or not is up to him, but he can't claim that you where about to do somthing nasty to him, since you where there, surendering with all modules and engines disabled...
I would also tie this into a keyboard button if possible, so that you dont have to go tru menu after menu to surender, costing precious time, but could yust slam a button on your keyboard... (F9 or so  )
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Maric
"Struck colors" option must have more meaning: Any weapon of attacking ships must be blocked if trying to shoot on surending ship, also all smarboms in all ships in area must be blocked.
Oh yeah, it'd be like a mini 1.0 surrounding your ship 
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:19:00 -
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Excellent idea, having been tolled a few times and lost a few ships to player pirates i can tell you which i "prefer".
(Only poss downside i can see is that it would open me up 100% to a PK'er without even that slender hope of escape. Still, gets my vote anyway).
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:19:00 -
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What area are Tundragon hunting in?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:19:00 -
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FANTASTIC IDEA.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Grimster
Oh yeah, it'd be like a mini 1.0 surrounding your ship
OMG mesa gonna die!
*stuck colours*
*recharge shields and cap*
Wheee, safe!
Hehe, bad idea that :D
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:25:00 -
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It's similar to Setec's idea, but the roles have been switched (it's the pirate who has the 'nonlethal' switch in Setec's version).
I actually think it would work better if pirates somehow had the option of stopping ships without killing them, as per Setec's idea. Too often I've heard tales of people rather self-destructing than giving up. And AFK people aren't about to strike their colors either.
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Maric
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: GrimsterOh yeah, it'd be like a mini 1.0 surrounding your ship [:shock:
You are right. But consider todays piracy: destroying ship is fun, podding is even more fun. No point in surending if there is no benefit. Benefit must be surviving for victim and profit for pirate. On the other hand, what about people that simple want to kill without reason? They will be shocked when someone surender.
Bottom line: "struck collors" is utopia
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:32:00 -
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AFK people shouldnt be considered.
As pirate Hunters, would be nice if people could white flag for us too, it can never be a bad thing to discuss the reasons for the pirates impending death, just incase there is a sitaution we are unaware of.
As for the "charge shields, charge cap and run" thoughts, in that 20 seconds, you would be warp scrambled and stas anyway, the 20 seconds simply allows you time to barter your way to freedom if your arrester is a pirate, or talk your way out of going boom if you been caught by us (if you been caught by us, you are a bad bad boy though, so would take some talking).
:)
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:33:00 -
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Also add the ability to activate the viral agents and by all means the combo rocket fuel & fertilizer. 
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Nuladen
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:33:00 -
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What area are Tundragon hunting in?
They are camping the Nonni/Aunenen Gate from the Aunenen side.
Nul.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:36:00 -
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Thx Nul.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:38:00 -
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Yeah good idea but i dont think your a true pirate... You guys had my indy webbed and scrambled lastnight i wasnt going anywhere, i asked for you to stop and you kept firing, i asked zarq about taking payment but you proceded to destroy my pod which wasnt going anywhere (no mwd and warpcore stabs on those)
Read topic again, start first posting. We destroy because there is simply no time to toll and we cannot be sure if we have enought warpscramblers and webbers on you. Comprende? Do you even try to talk to our NPC-rat friends? No, you kill without warning, you donŠt even try to toll them! Second reason to destroy pods is that the people warn other ships if we let them go alive. ThatŠs why we send them to a base, hoping itŠs far away. Thank the people that sit at gates and warn everybody incomming. Thank the people that we let pass alive and their hatemails we read after beeing kind to them.
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Grimster
Oh yeah, it'd be like a mini 1.0 surrounding your ship
OMG mesa gonna die!
*stuck colours*
*recharge shields and cap*
Wheee, safe!
Hehe, bad idea that :D
They must be able to freeze the state of your ship.... so if you have zero shields, Struck your colors, but don't like the terms and reactivate, your ship is in the same state as it was in before...only extra thing would be to have a time limit or something so you wouldn't be able to stay invulnerable forever...
This is one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time, pirates get an opportunity to actually toll people, us poor honest joes get a chance to survive and avoid both finacial and emotional disasters...
So what's not to like about it...?
But we'll have to wait for the new criminal flagging system that CCP says is coming....SoonÖ
But I still like this idea
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Maric
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Posted - 2004.05.21 10:47:00 -
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Thank the people that we let pass alive and their hatemails we read after beeing kind to them.
Dont tell me it is all about hate mails? What did you expect? Love letters?
You must try some other other activity like mercenary or bounty hunter or joining some war. It will still be fun and nobody will hate you.
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