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Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 10/07/2008 19:18:47 I want to do solo piracy with almost 0% death probability. (This is by no means a trolling attempt, I'm just bringing up some theorycraft about which ship is the MOST survivable) I don't mind if the targets I can pick aren't really strong. I'll be aiming for newbs, 0.0 ratters and miners. The point is killing whatever I can pick and if things go wrong GTFO. Sounds coward, but it's just practical. I can't afford losing t2 cruisers. Soooo... I'm between the Vagabond and the Rapier. I've been told Vagabond is a better solo ship, but remember my main goal is survivability. I don't want to die. Will the rapier be better for that? Cloaking will get me through EVERY gatecamp, right? Where vagabond, even being fast as hell, still has a small probability of getting caught. Apart from that, I guess (might be wrong, need your opinion here) that the whole cloaking thing is great for solo piracy, because many newbs don't care much about local and continuously check the scanner, probably safespotting when they spot a vagabond. If you were me, would you keep on training for the rapier? or still get the vagabond? please elaborate ^^. PS: One last question: Is it a valid option to drop one of the rapier's guns and plug a Recon Probe Launcher in? Optimal DPS would drop a bit below 200, where with that gun would be around 220. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Noelle Fay State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:17:00 - [2] Originally by: Captain Falcord I want to do solo piracy with almost 0% death probability. I don't mind if the targets I can pick aren't really strong. I'll be aiming for newbs, 0.0 ratters and miners. The point is killing whatever I can pick and if things go wrong GTFO. Sounds coward, but it's just practical. I can't afford losing t2 cruisers. I hope you're a troll. If not, rot in hell -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.
justsometrader	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Captain Falcord I want to do solo piracy with almost 0% death probability. Failboat
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:17:00 - [4] Curse is pretty darn survivable. I'd say the rapier moreso than the vaga.
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:18:00 - [5] Hey hey hey I'm not trolling. It's just theory. I know I'll die. I want to know in which ship I'll die less. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:20:00 - [6] Originally by: AstroPhobic Curse is pretty darn survivable. I'd say the rapier moreso than the vaga. why so? Wouldn't a curse have lots more trouble than a vaga / rapier in a gatecamp? ---<---@ JackFalcord
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:20:00 - [7] If you're talking piracy I assume you're talking lowsec, in which case you'll find a vaga can surive gate camps just as handily (staggeringly fast and quick to warp). My vote goes for the vagabond - it can put up decent DPS if you click off that MWD, certainly more than enough to kill most ships your aiming for and if things go wrong it's a rare ship that can actually tackle a vagabond in return. Really the nano vaga is the ultimate ship for your purpose. If you're attacking noobs, miners and ratters you can rest safely knowing that none of them will probably be fit with anything that can actually harm you, and if they are, just MWD out and warp - simple as that.
Lunara Yoshi Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:21:00 - [8] teamwork crow
Noelle Fay State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:22:00 - [9] Cause we all know: If there is one thing EvE needs, it's more nano**s -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.*
Ch Tang	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Ch Tang on 10/07/2008 19:31:12 Op is a political leader of America playing the game. Won't mention any names, but will be out of a job by 2009 and is looking for something to do that is right up his alley. (/Humor) I appologize. Couldn't resist.
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:32:00 - [11] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 10/07/2008 19:34:10 Well, I'll just ignore certain answers, altough I must admit my post is kinda provoking (seriously, didn't mean to sound like a troll). So, right now, from the only person that gave a mature, thought response, Vagabond is the answer. However, I also plan on doing some incursions into 0.0. Will the rapier be better at that, or is the vaga still a winner? PS: I don't want to make a lifestyle from these tactics, I like to have fair fights in which I can lose. I have ruptures for that, because they're cheap. If I'm building a t2 cruiser, it's because it will survive for longer. ---<---@ JackFalcord
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:38:00 - [12] Curse can neut off anything that pins it, whereas a rapier, doublewebbed (or single even) will die. All you have to do is the MWD + cloak trick. By then, anything that chases you can be neuted or killed.
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.10 19:47:00 - [13] Originally by: AstroPhobic Curse can neut off anything that pins it, whereas a rapier, doublewebbed (or single even) will die. All you have to do is the MWD + cloak trick. By then, anything that chases you can be neuted or killed. Hmm yeah, the curse sounds good, but I'm not going to train for it right now, so... Could you please make a strict comparision between vaga and rapier? Thanks ^^. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Tzujeih GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:00:00 - [14] Falcon.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:01:00 - [15] obvious troll is definitely obvious
Mozohl Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Captain Falcord Originally by: AstroPhobic Curse can neut off anything that pins it, whereas a rapier, doublewebbed (or single even) will die. All you have to do is the MWD + cloak trick. By then, anything that chases you can be neuted or killed. Hmm yeah, the curse sounds good, but I'm not going to train for it right now, so... Could you please make a strict comparision between vaga and rapier? Thanks ^^. It doesnt matter wich one you train for, your 0% death ratio will go straight to the trash bin as soon as you meet a Curse.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:10:00 - [17] Nano Rag might kill a few unwary noobs. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:10:00 - [18] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 10/07/2008 20:10:36 Nano Rapier by far. The survivability of any ship with a covert ops cloak is far better than the survivability of any ship without one.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Captain Falcord Originally by: AstroPhobic Curse can neut off anything that pins it, whereas a rapier, doublewebbed (or single even) will die. All you have to do is the MWD + cloak trick. By then, anything that chases you can be neuted or killed. Hmm yeah, the curse sounds good, but I'm not going to train for it right now, so... Could you please make a strict comparision between vaga and rapier? Thanks ^^. Rapier easy. Your targets will be few and far between, but you can manage. Vaga has more staying power, but can be caught a lot easier. More easily. Whatever.
Angus Torg Vortex Time Travellers Elite	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:21:00 - [20] Vagabond is a real combat ship, so I'd vote for that. Rapier kills to slow and risks to be killed that way - as you cannot cloak while being locked. But I prefer a Zealot or a Deimos. Just learn how to survive in low sec and 0.0 (by avoiding camps) and even more, learn to fight. Hell, even my Cerb survives out there. Can we get EVE back? Please.
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:41:00 - [21] Okay, it looks like I'm probably aiming for the rapier. Now, the last question I want you to answer: Is it worth it to get a Recon Probe Launcher for solo? DPS drops from 220 to 195 (optimal/maxed). ---<---@ JackFalcord
Achura Model	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:45:00 - [22] Huginn is the best solo ship, that's for sure. Nice DPS, good speed, and 2 webs... Vaga isn't near as safe as huginn.
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:46:00 - [23] You best be trollin'. Zealot, with armor tank. Its the only way. _______ ◕◡◕
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Achura Model Edited by: Achura Model on 10/07/2008 20:47:06 Huginn is the best solo ship, that's for sure. Nice DPS, good speed, and 2 webs with 40 km optimal at least... Vaga isn't near as safe as huginn. Hmmm that's new. So is there anyone else supporting the huginn? As I've never seen it getting any forum attention I thought it sucked, but I might as well pick it. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.10 20:58:00 - [25] nano-dampener-curse is probably the most survivable.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Captain Falcord Originally by: Achura Model Edited by: Achura Model on 10/07/2008 20:47:06 Huginn is the best solo ship, that's for sure. Nice DPS, good speed, and 2 webs with 40 km optimal at least... Vaga isn't near as safe as huginn. Hmmm that's new. So is there anyone else supporting the huginn? As I've never seen it getting any forum attention I thought it sucked, but I might as well pick it. You can do 4km/sec and web at 40km, and do 300dps. (200 of which is quite viable at your extremes of webrange). It's not quite as fast as a vagabond, but it's fast enough to outrun anything not nanoed, and use dual webs to trash anything that is. Vagabond's fast, and does good damage. Rapier is fast, and cloaky and does ok damage. Pilgrim or Arazu will also work - they've both been subjected to nerfs lately, which makes them less awesome than they were, and you'll have to be selective about targets. But you can be, because you have a covert cloak. Failing that, you're perhaps looking at inties - they're low damage, but choose whether to fight or not, and can quite easily bust clear of a gatecamp. Interdictors might also work - even in lowsec, they're quite quick, agile and pack a punch. And you have tonnes of CPU if you don't have a bubble blower fitted. And of course, if you expand solo to mean 'solo with alt scout' then the list gets a lot larger. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Borg9	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:03:00 - [27] the most survivable ships ingame have fast align time(to get out when things aren't goin good) and the speed to dictate range. So if you wanna use t1 only I would say nano stabber
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:04:00 - [28] You're on the right path, there are so many nanos because people want exactly what you're after, a low risk ship for winning easy fights. You'll never get zero risk, though. Nanos are more or less immune to 90% of ships out there but there are a couple ships that can really screw them. Honestly though, if you're going around in a nanoed rapier your biggest danger will probably be inbound gate camps that pull you into a bubble and uncloak you but that can be prevented with safe spots near gates for scanning. Anytime you start a fight though, you're taking a risk. You could get jacked up by another recon or whatever. You're probably best in a vaga because it has almost the same survivability and a whole lot more combat capability. The things a rapier can take 1v1 are pretty limited but a vaga can take on most fits you see solo if it gets a chance. Also, do not assume cloaking is complete safety, it is most definitely not. A bubble and gate campers that are on top of things can catch you.
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:07:00 - [29] I don't know, but it's certainly not the dual 1600 bait brick rupture, the 10mn afterceptor or any other ship designed by Falcord Labs.
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.10 21:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Feilamya I don't know, but it's certainly not the dual 1600 bait brick rupture, the 10mn afterceptor or any other ship designed by Falcord Labs. Yeah, I know, my ideas are a bit "strange" but oh well, I might randomly find a good fitting some day ^^. ---<---@ JackFalcord

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