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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 21/05/2004 16:38:44
I dont know if many of you have been paying attention to the Test server or the Ships and modules forum, but i was shocked to see what CCP are planning for the next patch!
TomB and the rest of the dev team have decided in there infinate wisdom that Launchers will now only hold the missiles of there size, eg. M-12 will only hold Rockets & Light missiles, H-50 only hold Heavy missiles ect,ect..., Basicly this turns missiles into a "Fourth Turret" and not a very good one either, as the proposed changes stand, Cruisers and Frigates will have there Diversity and Usefullness REMOVED for good, and also in the same time they are planning on Nerfing MWD AGAIN!
The proposed plans for MWD's sound like a quick fix to prevent frigates becoming Untouchable due to there immense speed! 2 such ideas are to give any ship using a MWD a HUGE Signature Radius, therefore making them Highly Vunerable to Target lock and Turret fire!! the Second idea is to make MWD only allow Straight line movement eg. No turning while MWD is engaged, i feel these are Ill thought out quick fixes!
Rather than Changing Current Modules, i feel they should actually put there heads together and come up with another way around what they think is "unblalanced"
I think changing things that people have been used to for a VERY long time in such a drastic way, is a BAD idea!
I Feel the proposed changes Remove unique ship setups and Diversity, and limit our choices, which i think is bad, i like eve for the sole reason, you can virtually do what u like! wanna fly a tempest although your a caldari? Go right ahead! wanna use 425mm rails on an apoc? Go knock yourself out! But if we let CCP get away with these changes, soon itll sound more like, "You cant use 1400's on a Raven, they are Minmitar weapons!"
Removing somthing that people have come to know as second nature, and totally ruining people stups that they have used for a year IS VERY BAD CCP, Please REALLY think about what your going to do!
If you feel the same way as me, Please post your opinions here, But if you agree with CCP's proposed Changes, please go make your own thread "i luv CCP's Changes whoopeee"
Please flame as much as u can, you will anyway!
Hanns out!!
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Borsig Rheinmetall
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:23:00 -
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they dont care what we think man... They already know everyone for the most part hates this. Thats no big news
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:23:00 -
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CCP coming up with ****ty ideas?
....never.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:24:00 -
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If you REALLY WANT a calm, FLAME-FREE DISCUSSION of the new CHANGES to the game by CCP .. then maybe you should NOT SHOUT SO MUCH in your ORIGINAL POST.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 21/05/2004 16:31:15
OMG its starting already, Please i dont give a flying one about your old army drill instructor, or if u think im shouting to much, dont Hijack the Thread, if your not going to discuss the topic in hand, please dont post!
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr If you REALLY WANT a calm, FLAME-FREE DISCUSSION of the new CHANGES to the game by CCP .. then maybe you should NOT SHOUT SO MUCH in your ORIGINAL POST.
Hahaha, this reminds me of my old major from the army
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns Edited by: Hanns on 21/05/2004 16:30:45 OMG its starting already, Please i dont give a flying one about your old army drill instructor, or if u think im shouting to mcuh, dont Hijack the Thread, if your not going to discuss the topic in hand, please dont post!
It started in the very first thread, that you made yourself. You were flaming CCP, instead of posting a calm, rational discussion of the changes.
Hypocrites, don'tcha just love em
_______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age." |
Hanns
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Hanns Edited by: Hanns on 21/05/2004 16:30:45 OMG its starting already, Please i dont give a flying one about your old army drill instructor, or if u think im shouting to mcuh, dont Hijack the Thread, if your not going to discuss the topic in hand, please dont post!
It started in the very first thread, that you made yourself. You were flaming CCP, instead of posting a calm, rational discussion of the changes.
Hypocrites, don'tcha just love em
Dude its hardly a flame, im just posting what there plans are, and im not going to get sucked into your name calling flambait posts, so please go away!
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Nightfang on 21/05/2004 16:36:00 Hanns said:
"If you feel the same way as me, Please post your opinions here, But if you agree with CCP's proposed Changes, please go make your own thread "i luv CCP's Changes whoopeee"
Hanns also said:
"Please no flaming, i would like a calm adult discussion of the propesed changes!"
Guess you should care about my old army instructor, he could teach you a thing or two about consistency.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hanns Edited by: Hanns on 21/05/2004 16:31:15 i dont give a flying one about your old army drill instructor,
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BuRnEr
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:39:00 -
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I like most of the changes, the only thing i dont like is the Cap power relay nerf, a stacking penalty would have been better IMO. I also like the MWD nerf you talked about since it will make the AB usefull (if the AB was better but not like the MWD is today).
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Bohr on 21/05/2004 16:46:00 I've spent over a week trying to digest the missile changes, and then they add an mwd nerf
My hopes for engaging in frigs >< bs fights are diminishing by every new suggestion, the mwd nerf only tipped the scale. Have'nt been on chaos yet, but from what i read, it seems combat will be as fun a profession as controlling a sentrygun from the outside. Guess i'm back to the fly away from enemy while spamming all the ammo/missiles i can :/. CCP, dooooon't! <8(
Battleships has about the speed and inertia of a hauler, cruisers allmost the same. Not what i was looking for when i started my fighter char. Frigs are fast when looking at its opposites, but without the mwd, space seems to vast to fully get the feel of a high speed craft. Again, nooooooo! <8(
(edit) my (seriously meant) rant of the day.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:44:00 -
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The only people who will like this change are the people who only fly Battleships, and think Battleships should be the only thing used for combat, and belive me theres alot of you out there!
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nightfang on 21/05/2004 16:50:24 I fly nothing but frigates, and for the large part I think these are great changes. What I cannot stand for is that CCP doesn't seem eager to fix Cruise Missile agility before releasing this balancing to TQ.
As it is now Cruise missiles have been given 50% more speed (close to 100% on some ships), which means that there is no way frigates will ever be able to escape. This would have been fine if they would have changed their agility, but they haven't.
Frigates will suck now, for sure. Every BS able to mount 2 Cruise Missile launchers will mean 3+ km/s death to any frigate out there, 5+ km/s instadeath if it's a Raven...
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Deadflip2 on 21/05/2004 16:56:56 they need to add more missile skills and make missiles more ship-size equil so that cruise will barely hit frigs etc. they should however NOT damn nerf the missile launchers OR MWDs, this will ruin all the frigate things ccp wanted to happen, frigates will be 100% useless again! i might consider quiting this game like many others since im a frigate fighter if these changes happen!
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr If you REALLY WANT a calm, FLAME-FREE DISCUSSION of the new CHANGES to the game by CCP .. then maybe you should NOT SHOUT SO MUCH in your ORIGINAL POST.
this is a seriously ****** matter if this goes through part of the eve users will be fubarred (like me and my beefed frigs ) i agree nighthong, they should take things one step at a time, first fix missiles then see what happnes etc. maybe nerf missiles launchers (shouldnt!), and maybe nerf mwds if the missiles wont hit nuff with agility beefin --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!! |
Tom Riddle
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Riddle on 21/05/2004 17:00:15 Man i hope you are not in the military. you would be complaining that you can't put a icbm in a humvee "advenger" launch tubes. This is an idea that has to happen.
Also if you complain about loosing to a battle ship while flying a friget. Than don't take a pop gun to an assult rifle match.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.05.21 16:58:00 -
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Hanns is right.
These changes are completely smacktarded. Oh, and the change with the interceptor skill bonus (reduced to 5%/level instead of 10%) is really stupid too.
That is all. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.21 17:01:00 -
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All I have to say is:
"MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Eat it up frigate pilots!"
No, seriously, I think the missile changes are "ok" and could've been a LOT worse.
The MWD-nerf was needed because frigates were getting to be TOO good.
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.05.21 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert All I have to say is:
"MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Eat it up frigate pilots!"
No, seriously, I think the missile changes are "ok" and could've been a LOT worse.
The MWD-nerf was needed because frigates were getting to be TOO good.
/me aims a gun at joshua "wheres the sarcasm tags?!", dude, i love flyign small ships, being stuck in a bigass bs shouldnt be the only way to grow! frigates have been changed properly lately. its not as if only noobs fly frigate ya know. maybe there should be a massive nerf on the power of "cheap" frigates like rifters kestrels etc, but the elites such as the crow are perfect as they are, expensive, good and fun. I got enough money to replace 10s of bss, so the "bss are ment to be worth more then frigates" doesnt count that much, its just the fighting style you like, either be a bs and press f1-f2-f3-f4-f5-f6-f7-f8 > boom, or have it tacticly and absed on REAL skills like in frigates --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!! |
Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.05.21 17:44:00 -
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Quote: Second idea is to make MWD only allow Straight line movement eg. No turning while MWD is engaged
i think this idea is good, very good!!
"We brake for nobody"
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.05.21 17:47:00 -
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These changes would be fine for frigs if cruise missile agility were to be knocked way down. Even better, I'd like to see cruise and torps just not track on stuff with a frig sig radius.
Theres really no point to brining a 6m interceptor that a raven can kill in half a volly which cannot possibly be avoided. I might as well fly a bestower into combat. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003 |
Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.05.21 18:34:00 -
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Upcoming Missile Launcher and MWD changes = G O O D !!
One need to see the whole picture to understand, not only a small part of it depending on how one is playing the game. --------------------------------
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illuminati
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Posted - 2004.05.21 18:41:00 -
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Thanks for bringing those mwd changes to my attention Hanns, I dont play on chaos at all nowadays. Basically though, missile changes are very welcome by me.
Quote: Hanns: Cruisers and Frigates will have there Diversity and Usefullness REMOVED for good
...not really, just their damage output
The straight line only on MWD useage is not a big problem either I think, if frigates with two or three burners are still hard to hit. Other than that, not sure how much would change from this.
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Bohr
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Posted - 2004.05.21 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir Upcoming Missile Launcher and MWD changes = G O O D !!
One need to see the whole picture to understand, not only a small part of it depending on how one is playing the game.
Well.. there must be a reason you think they are good, while there's a reason i think they are bad. People have an opportunity to affect the game they play and will make up their oppinion where their interests are. Much like a democracy. So i would immediately presume you fly a bs and hate the fact you can't wack a swarm of frigs in 30 secs, therefor the changes in your opinion are good.
Knowing it might not be the case, and must admit I can see many good possibilities in the changes, there's still a total nerfing of mwds in progress, removing the highspeed feel from the game. Could be sorted in many other ways, i.e for bs pilots to fit fast tracking turrets and train motion prediction to 4 or 5, or perhaps the fast introduction of elite drones with i.e good scramble strenghts. The last solution would be perfect for the storyline of the Caldari >< Gallente war.
Come on CCP! You can do better than that (EA) :)
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.05.21 20:00:00 -
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One thing im not sure about from the dev blog is that it says the new missle physics will not be put in with the changes in the next patch. So the question i have is will cruise be doing the proposed super high speed but not have the agility nerf that it was supposed to have to make it unable to track fast targets? In which case everybody is going to just have to hang up there interceptors and frigates as survival time in a battle situation will drop to around 15 seconds.
If the speed change isnt put in with the launcher changes doesnt this really gimp missle ships Dmg potential since now in addition to same old sub standard missle physics we have slower ROF and far harder fitting reqs? ______________
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TMX
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Posted - 2004.05.21 20:04:00 -
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upcomming changes are *** tbh ------------------------------------------- Live fast die young, clone and take revenge! |
Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.05.21 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir Upcoming Missile Launcher and MWD changes = G O O D !!
One need to see the whole picture to understand, not only a small part of it depending on how one is playing the game.
then please go right on and tell us exactly what the big picture is. --------------------------------------------
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2004.05.21 20:57:00 -
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I notice that the guys who blindly support these changes have no real reason to back up their opinion.These patch changes prove that CCP do not care about what we think, only their twisted little ideas of how THEY think the game should be.If they want to do this, then i'll find a better game to spend my hard-earned on.One that actually HAS community support. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.05.21 21:13:00 -
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I think many of you harpies overlooked the new skill bonuses for missiles...they get dmg not speed or agility bonuses. So your Bloodclaws will eventually be hurting like a Widow...
This doesn't kills diversity, it creates it. Just think how many of you wont be mwding and cruise missiling poor cruisers who have no way to fight back...
Another thing I believe many of you missed is that the mwd penalty isn't going to make you any easier to hit than you were before you used it...
If anyone is getting screwed here, its cruisers. We still only have one bonus and now dont have a decent weapon to hit BSes with... ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.05.21 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bohr
Originally by: Valrandir Upcoming Missile Launcher and MWD changes = G O O D !!
One need to see the whole picture to understand, not only a small part of it depending on how one is playing the game.
Well.. there must be a reason you think they are good, while there's a reason i think they are bad. People have an opportunity to affect the game they play and will make up their oppinion where their interests are. Much like a democracy. So i would immediately presume you fly a bs and hate the fact you can't wack a swarm of frigs in 30 secs, therefor the changes in your opinion are good.
Knowing it might not be the case, and must admit I can see many good possibilities in the changes, there's still a total nerfing of mwds in progress, removing the highspeed feel from the game. Could be sorted in many other ways, i.e for bs pilots to fit fast tracking turrets and train motion prediction to 4 or 5, or perhaps the fast introduction of elite drones with i.e good scramble strenghts. The last solution would be perfect for the storyline of the Caldari >< Gallente war.
Come on CCP! You can do better than that (EA) :)
That is so true, people come on here and say i think its good, without telling us WHY they think its good, your all just BS fanboys, you need to grow some, and actually try flying somthing a little more fun and fragile, instead of sitting behind your big lumbering BS's!
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