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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:21:00 -
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Apologies people. I know I said the dev blog would be out last week, but things have taken longer to organise than initially expected.
We have been trying to get all the processes and time lines for the different testing of the premium content on the Mac/Linux clients to present in the Dev Blog. This has taken longer than planned, but is looking to be finished early next week. We can then finalize the blog and send it out for grammar checking (cos you know us techies suck at annoying things like grammar and spelling) and translation.
It should then be published onto the EVE dev blog site.
I will try to update this post next week with a better date for the blog.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
 Originally by: Lord Fitz
Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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matt way
Southern Cross Incorporated
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.12 09:02:00 -
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Thanks for the update Lingorm :) I've been checking the dev blog page every day and was wondering what happened to it!
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M1AU
Gallente
Rheintal Underground Rising
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Posted - 2008.07.13 14:51:00 -
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Yea, thanks for the update again.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.16 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
and translation
Translating techtalk into normal people talk? 
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2008.07.16 13:44:00 -
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A bit of the tech > real people translation.
We are also trying to get all the documentation and stuff in place to run the beta testing and such ... and this is proving more difficult then anticpated.
Meeting was yesterday. Stuff was discussed.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.17 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
A bit of the tech > real people translation.
Awww, cmon, Lingorm! I thought you knew better by now.
We're LINUX users, dammit!
For us, tech == real people. No translation needed, thankyouverymuch.
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HellSpeed
Gallente
Estrale Frontiers
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: matt way
Thanks for the update Lingorm :) I've been checking the dev blog page every day and was wondering what happened to it!
Subscribe to RSS :p
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Posted - 2008.07.17 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Bekers
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
A bit of the tech > real people translation.
Awww, cmon, Lingorm! I thought you knew better by now.
We're LINUX users, dammit!
For us, tech == real people. No translation needed, thankyouverymuch.
Had to laugh. But it's true, no?
It's still not a "common" thing to game on linux. Looking at them ATI drivers, I know why. :/ *back to the fight*
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.18 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
tech > real people
I knew it 
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Aidia Nestor
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Posted - 2008.07.18 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Bekers
For us, tech == real people. No translation needed, thankyouverymuch.
So true, so true.. hehe =)
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M1AU
Gallente
Rheintal Underground Rising
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Posted - 2008.07.21 23:37:00 -
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/me also have nothing against techtalk.
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BigWhale
Gallente
Three WiseMen Association
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Posted - 2008.07.22 16:19:00 -
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There was no tech talk in this thread... Or was it?
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:10:00 -
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So ... where is the information?
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Illwill Bill
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:49:00 -
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Any information regarding this would be very much appreciated. kkbaithx
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Originally by: CCP Saint
Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
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Pivalak
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Dev blog being written, due for release next week.
That was on June 19th... and we are in August 
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:45:00 -
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<sarcasm>
Thank you for the continuing support and attention CCP, much appreciated
That + the issue with not being able to petition ingame, which is "a known issue with the linux client, which is fixed in a patch in the near future"
</sarcasm>
And I do mean CCP here, not the poor sod @ CCP given less than sufficient resources to support the linux client
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.03 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pivalak
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Dev blog being written, due for release next week.
That was on June 19th... and we are in August
One hell of a long week, indeed.
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Kate [HKG, PXF]
"The game with voices, that you can't win, nor finish." |
Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.03 19:36:00 -
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Are...we....there...yet?
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M1AU
Gallente
Rheintal Underground Rising
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Posted - 2008.08.04 00:07:00 -
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hmm
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CCP Lingorm
C C P
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Posted - 2008.08.05 10:18:00 -
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Sorry, was on leave last week and did not check the forums from hom e(Monday was a public holiday here in Iceland.
Will go prod CCP Whisper as he is now handling this blog.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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Phersephone
Caldari
Stormlord Battleforce
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.05 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Sorry, was on leave last week and did not check the forums from hom e(Monday was a public holiday here in Iceland.
Will go prod CCP Whisper as he is now handling this blog.
Let me guess... it will be out sometime next week?
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.05 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Will go prod CCP Whisper as he is now handling this blog.
So...who was the one who wasn't handling it before then...
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.05 12:47:00 -
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Dr Sheepbringer, stop. Please.
First, a dev will never answer you if they think you're just going to troll them. Or make fun of them. Or insult them. Or ... you get the idea.
Second, people just don't want to hear you complain all the time. We get it. Premium graphics support for the official client is late, and CCP haven't done a stellar job at communicating. (not that I blame them) You're not adding anything constructive to the discussion. You're just being annoying.
The mac forum is the one below this forum.
Good day.
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.05 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aurix Lexico
You're not adding anything constructive to the discussion. You're just being annoying.
...While you are adding some wonderful ass kissing talent to the very same discussion. We get it, too.
The windows forum is the one above this forum.
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.05 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Bekers
Originally by: Aurix Lexico
You're not adding anything constructive to the discussion. You're just being annoying.
...While you are adding some wonderful ass kissing talent to the very same discussion. We get it, too.
The windows forum is the one above this forum.
 I just find the guy annoying. I also wasn't aware that thinking CCP do a decent job overall makes me an ass kisser.
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BigWhale
Gallente
Three WiseMen Association
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Posted - 2008.08.06 12:05:00 -
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Not that I'm trying to kiss ass, but CCP THANK YOU! Great job! thumb up! Keep up the good work!
Or whatever... ;)
I, for one, welcome our delayed dev blogs!
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.08.06 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: BigWhale
Not that I'm trying to kiss ass, but CCP THANK YOU! Great job! thumb up! Keep up the good work!
Or whatever... ;)
I, for one, welcome our delayed dev blogs!
True that, actually doing what you said you were going to do is so overrated
go CCP ! keep doing nothing !
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BigWhale
Gallente
Three WiseMen Association
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:56:00 -
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To be honest, I love all those nerfing blogs. Speed nerf, sec status nerf (boost?!). Reading those threads is simply epic.
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:36:00 -
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Any news about that dev blog which was almost ready? It's only be a month after all
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UberL0rd
Minmatar
28th Day Industries
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.08.15 10:26:00 -
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I would imagine that the dev blog has been ready for a long time and it's just the PR/legal team chewing over it.
In other words it's not really a blog as such, just PR nonsense.
IMO, just let the devs blog their silly ideas at will and attach $generic_disclaimer to it.
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Pivalak
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.08.22 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Basically we are about to start Beta testing the premium client with some of YOU. More details in the dev blog.
That was two months ago as well... any info on the new version of the Linux client either? Or the dev blog? Anything?
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brainball
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.22 14:43:00 -
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In the same thread in the mac forum, CCP Casqade has updated a bit. See http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=820050
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CCP Casqade
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Posted - 2008.08.22 21:54:00 -
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I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
Well, uh ... welcome to the Linux forums CCP Casquade and thanks for nothing I guess?
High quality content was supposed to be available Q1 2008, then we were supposed to get some info in a Dev blog ... then ... more time passes and more nothing happens.
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Flavien Potier
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Posted - 2008.08.25 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: farfrael
Originally by: CCP Casqade
I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
Well, uh ... welcome to the Linux forums CCP Casquade and thanks for nothing I guess?
High quality content was supposed to be available Q1 2008, then we were supposed to get some info in a Dev blog ... then ... more time passes and more nothing happens.
So they just learned something now... They wont be making public statement when something is not ready.
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Pivalak
Gallente
Ultriach Criesther Evirementari
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Posted - 2008.09.01 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
Hummm... September already. It seems that, after two months and a half, the dev blog and the beta of the new client are still on its way.
Nevertheless I am curious: what was the real status back in June, when in theory there was only a translation and some issues pending to be completed, and what it is now? Can we expect the dev blog to be released, let's say... next week?  |
UberL0rd
Minmatar
28th Day Industries
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.09.01 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Pivalak
Can we expect the dev blog to be released, let's say... next week?
We should call them what they really are - Press Releases |
Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.01 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pivalak
Can we expect the dev blog to be released, let's say... next week?
Short answer: no.
Long answer: never, ever expect something from a professional (dev) doing something not strictly related to his/her own field of expertise (in this case, public relations).
Detailed answer: You shouldn't expect much even if it's strictly related to his/her own field of expertise, either, especially when it's related to software development. At least when it's related to proprietary, budget-constrained, market-drones-driven software development. |
Pivalak
Gallente
Ultriach Criesther Evirementari
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Posted - 2008.09.01 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Bekers
Long answer: never, ever expect something from a professional (dev) doing something not strictly related to his/her own field of expertise (in this case, public relations).
I guess you mean professional as in "getting paid" rather than professional as in "doing a professional work".
But leaving that discussion aside, I don't think I expect much from CCP. Just to loosely stick to their word when they promise or announce something. Let's see... if you say something will be ready in a week, perhaps it will end taking two. But if you repeatedly say that it is almost finished, or just being polished, that it will be ready in a few days, and after a few months you change your statement to "at some point in the future", then it looks as if you were not previously telling the truth. Perhaps I misinterpret you but, frankly, is expecting not to be deceived beyond what we can ask for?
If this were the first time this has happened with CCP, we could simply disregard it. But it happens repeatedly again and again. Or shall I remind you that the premium version for Linux was promised for Q1 2008, and now in Q3 2008 we are told that a beta will be available at an undefined date? |
Romulus Silvia
Amarr
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.02 07:14:00 -
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you should probably translate it to real people talk... i mean, i use linux, but i had a really hard time trying to figure out how to install pidgin in ubuntu. |
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.02 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pivalak
I guess you mean professional as in "getting paid" rather than professional as in "doing a professional work".
I'm rather disillusioned with the whole "professional" software development industry, please bear with me. I guess I grew tired of overhyped features promised on deadlines that are always missed by an AU. So I resort to sarcasm to protect my fragile nervous system. Whatever.
A little gem for you, in the (faint) hope that some enlightening entity will smite our devs with a massive cluebat:
Quote:
Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge: Look, Mr. Scott, I'd love to explain everything to you. But the captain wants this spectrographic analysis done by 1300 hours.
Scotty: [thinks about it some time] You mind a little advice? Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now and they want it their way. But the secret is to give them only what they need, not what they want.
Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge: Yeah. Well, I told the captain I'd have this analysis done in an hour.
Scotty: How long would it really take?
Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge: [annoyed] An hour!
Scotty: [looks unbelieving] Oh. You didn't tell him how long it would REALLY take, did you?
Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge: Of course I did.
Scotty: Oh, laddie. You've got a lot to learn if you want people to think of you as a miracle worker.
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.09.07 15:34:00 -
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still more nothing ... \o/
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M1AU
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.08 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: M1AU
Yea, thanks for the update again.
Dang, thanks for nothing :'(
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.09.13 20:48:00 -
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moarrrr nothing
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.14 00:40:00 -
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What did you expect? This is actually a pretty good example of open source (wine) succeeding where proprietary software (cedega) is failing. At least, from my point of view.
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.09.22 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Aurix Lexico
What did you expect? This is actually a pretty good example of open source (wine) succeeding where proprietary software (cedega) is failing. At least, from my point of view.
What are you bleating about?
The only failure here is CCP not being able to spend 5 minutes and communicate ... nothing new
TTT
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.22 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: farfrael
What are you bleating about?
(I'm talking about wine supporting premium gfx and cedega doesn't.)
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.24 09:48:00 -
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This post intentionally left blank.
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Kate [HKG, PXF]
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Posted - 2008.09.24 12:32:00 -
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No point in posting about this really, but I feel the need to vent.
This long wait has just left me so utterly, totally disappointed... It's getting to the point where I just try to forget about the whole thing.
I've tried Eve on a Windows machine once, just to see what I'm missing, and it looks soooooo good.
Please, please, please, update us. Let us help out testing, even if it's still buggy. Or if it's off, just let us know too. I'd be a total pain, but if it's off I'd consider setting up my Eve stuff on a Windows machine.
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M1AU
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:54:00 -
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Needless to say that I'm also quite disappointed about the progression, so I quit all of my two subscriptions. If the support gets a lot better in the future, I'm willing to reactivate one.
Meanwhile I'm playing other games such as Vendetta Online, which has great native Linux support!
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Pivalak
Ultriach Criesther Evirementari
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Posted - 2008.11.01 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
We are in November and there are no news about the beta of the Premium client for Linux... or the dev blog on that subject which was to be released in June.
Frankly, do any of these really exist? Because last time we heard of them they were supposed to be ready, only pending some "translation" work.
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Derek Medrana
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.01 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pivalak
Originally by: CCP Casqade
I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
We are in November and there are no news about the beta of the Premium client for Linux... or the dev blog on that subject which was to be released in June.
Frankly, do any of these really exist? Because last time we heard of them they were supposed to be ready, only pending some "translation" work.
Perhaps they are too busy playing EVE with wine 1.1.7.
So fer an officially supported platform, if CCP were consultants, they'd have been fired a ways back.
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farfrael
Freelancer Union
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
by "it's on the way" you meant "it will never happen"?
seriously, WTF happened CCP? 12 months ago there was a real feeling that something was being done for linux users, a feeling of involvement.
Nowadays nothing happens. Bug reports are ignored, features go missing, nobody from CCP posts in the linux forums ... did somebody pay you to stop supporting linux or something?
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armas
Gallente
Minbari Research Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.02 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: farfrael
Nowadays nothing happens. Bug reports are ignored, features go missing, nobody from CCP posts in the linux forums ... did somebody pay you to stop supporting linux or something?
Isn't this years fanfest in cooperation with Microsoft? 
Just saying...
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.11.02 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Aurix Lexico on 02/11/2008 01:57:37
Originally by: armas
Originally by: farfrael
Nowadays nothing happens. Bug reports are ignored, features go missing, nobody from CCP posts in the linux forums ... did somebody pay you to stop supporting linux or something?
Isn't this years fanfest in cooperation with Microsoft?
Just saying...
CCP have a lot of Microsoft stuff (they've said they use MSSQL for instance), so, if that was true, it wouldn't be unexpected.
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armas
Gallente
Minbari Research Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:10:00 -
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I wasn't being serious. Are Microsoft that evil? Quite possibly. CCP? nah
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.11.02 03:12:00 -
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Oh. 
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Ravow
Minmatar
N'Th'Rack Squadron
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.03 15:50:00 -
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It's possible that CCP increase delay because they see the Wine+windows version far better than there one?
Or because CCP see that everyone tell other and newcomer that Wine is far better?
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.11.14 08:02:00 -
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Microsoft representatives was indeed at Fanfest, and there was also some outright, yet subtle, Unix/Linuxbashing from their way. ****ed me off slightly, but then again, I bash Windows so wth.
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
Viktor Rasmussen
Gallente
Indra-Sveijk Korps
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
Do I miss something or is this just falling under the desk now? =)
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Casqade
I'm sorry for not posting here. But like I said over at the mac forum. It is on its way, sorry for the delay and we are working on it.
How much freaking hilarious is this very phrase now, considering it's the last dev contact with the Linux forum population, until today's mail about Linux support being dropped in Apocrypha?
What was "on its way"? The new official client? 
You were really working on it?
I really, really look forward for any answer, and a straight face.
My other comments in this thread seems oh-so-wonderful right about now. I hate myself.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:57:00 -
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CCP Casqade's reply was correct at the time it was made.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.02.09 01:39:00 -
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I know were ****ed people, but please don't blame the Devs/Staff who put themselves out on a lib, trying to get something done for us that management or QA (or whom ever) obviously.
They have tried as hard as they can, there probably the only reason any official Linux client was even tried.
I pray to god that wine will continue to work. Or my bloody hell I will look like a fool, and I'll be ****ed. But it still wont be at individuals.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:29:00 -
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But we SHOULD blame the devs. Who but they could have let us know what was going on? The DEVS expounded on things at Fanfest, and now we find out that the folks aren't even looking at real metrics regarding linux use. shakes head. Of course I blame the devs. You should see how fast the devs shut up on IRC when linux support is/was mentioned. It was like throwing a bucket of icewater over an orgy.
CCP Explorer/Whisper posts and support sends out a mail. We've been asking for information for 7+ months with not a hiccup from CCP, and now we're supposed to just roll over and be nice?
FRACK THAT. CCP's idea of community is about as efficient as Iceland's government at times, and their ability to gather REAL information as to who is playing their game is laughable.
Of course we're angry. We've also been supporting ourselves not for good ol' CCP, but for our selves in the virtual community that we wish to be a part of.
That CCP played this stupid fracked up agreement with Transgaming and Gavriel "cider + cedega = win!" and Vitas Gupta (ceo of TG) boggles the mind. TG was blowing smoke up CCP's ass with their capabilities. CCP is to blame as responsibility falls ultimately to the owner of the I.P.
That we as members of this community are basically told "sorry, you don't exist, cuz our numbers don't show it" is insulting and outrageous, and we have every right to be angry.
Its not a free game. It costs money. every month. But we dont' count because they can't determine if its wine or if its mickeysoft. whatever.
Updated Ubuntu Compiz-Linux Desktop+EVE Premium |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.02.09 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
(...) and now we find out that the folks aren't even looking at real metrics regarding linux use.
We know exactly how many are using the official client running on top of Cedega, the client which we are retiring. |
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Aegiale Heliad
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:16:00 -
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Now that the prepackaged Cedega-client is gone: Is there any chance to get official support for Linux+Wine+EVE? |
Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Hikage Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aegiale Heliad
Now that the prepackaged Cedega-client is gone: Is there any chance to get official support for Linux+Wine+EVE?
No, no, please, nooooooooo! (In Luke Skywalker's "Vader is my dad" anguished voice.)
If "official support" is akin to what we got so far, please, please, by everything is holy and sacred, do NOT officially support WINE!!!
I know that a sub-par client like the late official one makes no sense financially, since the alternatives are just better in every respect. Why CCP should throw money on development (co-development, agreements, contracts, whatever) of something nobody really uses nor wants to use?
But look at facts, please.
We in linuxland we've been treated, from a PR/facevalue point of view, as an unwanted, second class, red headed step child: SIX months passed without a single word from blue-boxed users in our forum. How it feels when your money is worth less than your peers' money?
Now, I ask you (and devs, if they want to hang around our nice, cozy lounge): how is this different from NOT having official support whatsoever on WINE?
We're geeks, and Linux ones to boot. Not your ordinary Wal-Mart sheep shopper. We ran EVE on linux before official support came, we will continue to do so after official support goes away. We're used to bumpy roads. We run Office and Photoshop under Linux. We go places because we don't stop for a simple sticker that says "sorry, your money is unwanted here". We'd love to give our money to farsighted developers. But if they don't want us, we find ways to work around their shortsightedness.
CCP will be gone and dead (and with Island economic crisis, this may even happen soon!) well before our spirit gives up any technical challenge.
Official support is not what we need. We're our own official support.
(And if this rant seems unreasonably elitist, that's only for a reason. Because it is.)
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Sevarus James
(...) and now we find out that the folks aren't even looking at real metrics regarding linux use.
We know exactly how many are using the official client running on top of Cedega, the client which we are retiring.
Nice try avoiding the POINT. (I'm being harsh here, but come on.) The point is that the official "supported" client was so bad that MOST of us resorted to using a method that didn't suck (to put not too fine a point on it.)
You have admitted elsewhere that you were/are NOT checking for operating system usage and that eve WINE users are being lumped with windows (MS) users, and THAT was the point.
We linux users haven't "gone away", we're STILL HERE.
We've been here BEFORE "official" support, and we're here after march 10th, unless you (ccp) do something completely fracked to the client to render it unusable...which of course is a possibility, but if you are keeping in line with cider/mac then most likely wine+premium will also probably work with minor adjustments post 3-10-09.
My comment was specifically related to YOUR statements which seemingly disparage linux use because we're not using YOUR "linux" client, which is incorrect. We are using YOUR client via a method that you aren't getting metrics for. (by your own statements.)
Sad that we see you guys in this section of the forums talking to us NOW instead of six-eight months ago when we may have been able to give good feedback.
Unforunately, my other thread in this section predicting what you as a company have just done was pretty spot on the money.
Although saddened that this attempt at inclusion didn't work, I'm GLAD you're retiring the linux "official" client as it was, by your own devs admission at fanfest......."junk".
Now if you can just keep our linux section of the forums awake so that we can help each other here, you will have gratitude as well as a section of hardcore types that really appreciates the VR world that has continued to evolve. We're glad to be here, and hope that CCP devs will at least keep a watchful eye on this section so that we can provide feedback and assistance to keep our "subs" alive and playing.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Sevarus James
(...) and now we find out that the folks aren't even looking at real metrics regarding linux use.
We know exactly how many are using the official client running on top of Cedega, the client which we are retiring.
Don't go that way again, it's worse. Just say "sorry guys, we can't support linux client anymore blablabla" and there will be happy days again.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Sevarus James
(...) and now we find out that the folks aren't even looking at real metrics regarding linux use.
We know exactly how many are using the official client running on top of Cedega, the client which we are retiring.
Nice try avoiding the POINT. (...) You have admitted elsewhere that you were/are NOT checking for operating system usage and that eve WINE users are being lumped with windows (MS) users, and THAT was the point.
The point is that we are retiring the official client that runs on top of Cedega. I am simply being very precise and emphasising the main point of CCP Whisper's e-mail that was sent to the players that used that particular client.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 12:51:00 -
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Please keep comments and queries regarding the changes to Linux support in this thread.
Thank you.
Navigator
Senior Community Representative
CCP Games,
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