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Bob T'Miner
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Good. if you prognosticate correctly, a lot of these lame alt dual boxing tards will have to stick it out with one character.
That is an effect I think will be seen in the short term.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 13/07/2008 19:36:31
Originally by: Bob T'Miner the drop in numbers I refer to is a drop in active accounts not a drop of the people playing Eve
Roger that, significant decrease in accounts, no decrease in players.
A variation on "Me and my 10 alts are quitting"; "My 10 alts are quitting but I'm staying". -
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Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:35:00 -
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Yeahh This happened last summer too, and the summer before that..
Oh wait.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina (dreadnoughts are also possibly the most boring ship you could fly. It's like mining, without the part where you make money)
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:40:00 -
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Your stuff... ______
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bluebeyond
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:41:00 -
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I don't agree that eve will go stale BUT the price and length on GTC now is shocking and the change has just really ****ed me off.
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Zinras
Caldari Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:43:00 -
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Dear OP, since EVE is clearly dieing your stuff is dropping in value on an hourly basis.
It is therefore my advice that you contract it to me and GTFO so the smell of MMO death isn't following into your new WoW and/or Hello Kitty Online venture.
I, however, prefer playing my dieing-for-the-fifth-year-in-a-row game and have no issue with the smell of MMO death. Clearly, this is the best solution for all parties.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
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Patient 2428190
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:43:00 -
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Cry cry cry some more!
Why does none of the whiner trolls talk about the higher cost in ISK to buy these off the timecode forum? 390 million ISK (roughly) used to get a 90 day timecode, now its only to get 60 days.
C'mon, lets spit blood and cry mega tears now that it is 6.5 million ISK a day as supposed to 4.7 million.
Thats a 38% price increase roughly! Waaahhh Waaaahhhhhhhh
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Bob T'Miner
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai CCP is European, US$ is weak and will probably get worse, price hike isn't entirely unexpected.
CCP is in Iceland not Europe. More to the point the problem is not in the price of the code but in the lack of choice on time code duration. If you had followed along on the discussions in that forum you would know this. Go back and read my original post and you will see it quite clearly. Maybe you need it said again:
Lack of timecodes (either with less choice or with backorder status of the current single option) has caused the price of codes for ISK to inflate. This will cause a drop in active accounts as people drop thier extra alt accounts.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:47:00 -
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I have 7 active acounts...
I am moving 2 of them into my other five. CCP gets $40 bucks upfront. I save over the next year 4.8 billion isk.
Humm... maybe I will move three over and have only four active accounts.
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Bob T'Miner
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Verx Interis Edited by: Verx Interis on 13/07/2008 19:39:15 Yeahh This happened last summer too, and the summer before that..
Oh wait.
Yes wait, because what didn't happen before was this timecard change. Read my other posts as to why it matters. And no the price is not as signifigant as the fact there are less choices and the choice we have is backordered across most online resellers.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:52:00 -
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So don't pay using GTC:s?
Why do people have to make it so hard...
Black Hand.
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Mr Friendly
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:55:00 -
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Let us all join in a collective lament: EVE IS DEAD. AGAIN.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.13 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bob T'Miner CCP is in Iceland not Europe.
Iceland is a European country.
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Father Weebles
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Hie Bob.
Asscuse me. I honessly say you are so wroung. Eve and MMOs will kontienue to grow and peak for teh next 2-4 months befoer recesshun hits. And wehn recesshun is start, MMOs will kontienue to grow beforer masseive desubs.
Until tehn, Eve nevar fades.
FFS LEARN HOW TO TYPE
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Zinras
Caldari Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Bob T'Miner CCP is in Iceland not Europe.
Iceland is a European country.
I believe all attempts at education are wasted on this guy.
Originally by: Father Weebles
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Hie Bob.
Asscuse me. I honessly say you are so wroung. Eve and MMOs will kontienue to grow and peak for teh next 2-4 months befoer recesshun hits. And wehn recesshun is start, MMOs will kontienue to grow beforer masseive desubs.
Until tehn, Eve nevar fades.
FFS LEARN HOW TO TYPE
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
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Xercies Ravere
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:06:00 -
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At least with the drop in numbers Jita might be passable on a sunday....
But yeah....I bet you peopple don't play world of warcraft over EVE because of the cheaper price.. How did it go so wrong. |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:09:00 -
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5 dollars
Wow.
That's alot.
About the equivelant of a small sandwich where I live.
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Bob T'Miner
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Bob T'Miner CCP is in Iceland not Europe.
Iceland is a European country.
My ignorance. Fine.
Now support why the increase in price (I will grant you exchange rates) has caused the timecode options to be reduced to one, and why the increase in price has caused CCP to backorder the timecodes.
Or is this not your argument? You certainly mentioned it. Did you have one beyond European Union membership?
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII I should imagine 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of eve players wouldn't even contemplate playing a shite game like wow even if it was free.
I wouldn't play WOW if they paid me 30$ per month. Nor 35$.
Make suicide ganking more difficult!
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bob T'Miner
CCP is in Iceland not Europe.
Quotin' this one again just 'cause I like it so much. ___________________________________________
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Arachna
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:24:00 -
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Comparing eve with WoW is epic fail.
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Jeanne D'Eve
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:29:00 -
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According to http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html Eve's subscription rate is closer to 250K.
Regardless, if you like this game and CCP's price is what they need to keep the game profitable, then you pay it and be happy. You can't compare Eve to any other game.
jd
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Bob T'Miner
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Arachna Comparing eve with WoW is epic fail.
If you had read the CSM meeting minutes you would know that time cards were brought up to CCP there, the comparison to WoW was made there, and the marketing using the term "premium" over other MMOs was thier argument for charging $5 more per card/code. Not exchange rates or inflation/deflation.
But please, continue to lock onto minor details that are unrelated to the original forcast of a drop in active accounts due to the timecode change and it's backorder status. Also ignore the effects this will have on new to mid players.
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Bob T'Miner
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jeanne D'Eve According to http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html Eve's subscription rate is closer to 250K.
Regardless, if you like this game and CCP's price is what they need to keep the game profitable, then you pay it and be happy. You can't compare Eve to any other game.
jd
Nice job tracking that down. Indeed that 300K was inflated and I apologize. This is where we will see whether I am correct in the coming months. Assuming it's accurate, and I will not agrue it's not.
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Thorindor
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bob T'Miner So let me get this straight.
60 day card of World of Warcraft is $30 USD. It has over 10 million active accounts. 60 day code for Eve Online is $35 USD. It has(read had) 300 thousand active accounts. We pay $5 more because it is a "Premium" product. So Eve is Premium over World of Warcraft.....debateable.
Price of codes has gone up. Many online retailers of the codes are back-ordered or never got the new codes. Supply and demand means the codes that are available to buy for isk are inflated. CCP stands behind marketing's decision.
Summer means people playing less, in-game economy suffers. Less market activity means less isk available to buy timecodes. Now people close extra active accounts they cannot/will not pay for with isk. Number of active accounts take a nosedive. In-game economy suffers further. Gameplay suffers for low income players find a harder time. Now credit card customers decide to go back to WoW because it has pleanty of people to play with and costs less.
All of this means a dramatic drop in active accounts over the next 4 to 6 months. CCP takes the loss, continues to stand behind marketing, and tries to make it work with a shrinking player base.
Perhaps the smaller player base will make the game even more "premium".
GG CCP consider my accounts closed. No you can't have my stuff.
I don't care, I play EVE because it fun. I pay online, if I didn't the extra 2.50 a month or whatever still wouldn't care. GO PLAY WOW! |
Illwill Bill
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:40:00 -
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The fail is strong in this one. On the other hand, the Yanks probably can't afford it, because they have to pay off the mortage on that third bathroom... -.- ____________________
Originally by: CCP Saint Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
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Aclyn Seriy
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:42:00 -
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Could you please explain what effect the change in timecode length, price and availability will have on new players? And also to players that have not yet joined this community?
Those of us that enjoy EVE will stay no matter what and those that don't will leave. A change in GTC price will undoubtedly have a small impact on the number of active accounts but I honestly can't see it making that big a difference. EVE has steadily continued to increase its playerbase over the years and will no doubt continue to do so, people will eventually adapt to the new system and carry on as they always have and those that can't or won't adapt will leave, but then that would always have happened.
Change happens, sometimes its small and sometimes its large, we all have to get used to it. Stagnation is death no matter what business you are in.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm the failboat captain
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Finrai
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Posted - 2008.07.13 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Finrai on 13/07/2008 20:53:19
Actually the greatest price hike is not in terms of $$. First of all you can pay through the website and subscription prices are same as they have always been - $15 a one month and $39 for three months of game play. Second even if you have to pay with game time codes you'd only be paying $2.50 more a month which for a lot of people is worth the fun.
So it is not like a lot of people would be closing their accounts because of this. Who will be closing accounts are those who pay for game time codes with ISK. This is where the price really shot up. And it is not the price in US dollars - it is the price in your game time.
About 2 months ago you could buy a 30 day code for 150 mil ISK and a 90 day code for 390 mil ISK no problems. This is approximately 130-150 million ISK per month per active account that you had to pay. Now the prices are 400 million ISK per 60 day code and I have seen them go as high as 435 mil ISK and getting bought.
So now if you want to pay for your accounts with ISK it amounts to paying 50-60 million extra a month per account per month. This means putting in extra 4-5 hours of grinding per account per month. Multiply these hours by number of accounts you are trying to keep active using ISK and subtract this time from number of hours you have fun in EVE (because most eve players don't find grinding particularly fun) and you will see where the problem is.
So the outcry is not about paying $2.50 extra a month. It is about having to pay $15 or $30 or $45 extra a month. Because you do not want to turn all of your time playing EVE into one huge grindfest for GTC money, you'll have to switch to paying with cash or close accounts down.
To the OP: CCP have probably calculated that this is going to happen. Right now you cannot take as many breaks with 60 day codes to train those long skills when your account goes inactive as you could with 30 day codes. This has increased the amount of game time a GTC buyer has to purchase for alt accounts per year by about 20-30%. At the same time the price in cash a GTC seller would have to pay for the code has gone up by $2.50 extra per month of game time. Obviously to get same conversion rates GTC sellers would have to be selling these codes for more ISK per month also. So increase the demand and shrink the supply, naturally prices in ISK shoot up - whoever does the pricing and revenue analysis at CCP could have easily seen that this is going to happen.
They have probably calculated that despite some minority of people leaving the game, CCP would be earning more money now that they have forced more people to pay with credit card through their website. Selling game time through website brings CCP more revenue than selling game time codes through resellers who keep a cut which I know for sure is greater than 5% of total price. Not only that but have you noticed how if you pay with credit card through the website that it gets auto-billed if you forget to cancel your sub? And all those Europeans who have switched to buying GTCs with $ and paying 9-10 eu/month for the game when long time ago they have been paying 13-15 eu/month when dollar was stronger? So I think the analysts at CCP have determined that overall, despite some people closing down their alt accounts, CCP will be making more money.
As for you saying that people will quit and gb2wow and then their friend will follow and game will shrink, realize that most people are paying with credit cards for EVE anyhow so this change does not affect the majority of players. In fact GTC sellers / ISK buyers are more than happy right now - they are getting even better conversion of $ to ISK than with 30/90s.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.13 21:01:00 -
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i swear that i seen it documented that eve been growing every month
fail troll is fail and santa will spread all the troll out
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Magmain
Caldari Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C i swear that i seen it documented that eve been growing every month
fail troll is fail and santa will spread all the troll out
True.
It has been growing more than ever lulcakesroflmao?
Expect much more when ambulation comes out...
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