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Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Aclyn Seriy Could you please explain what effect the change in timecode length, price and availability will have on new players? And also to players that have not yet joined this community? Sure! Lets say Fred is Aclyn's friend and she has been telling him about the great game Eve online and he's ready to try it. Fred downloads the trial and as expected by the end of it is just starting to grasp the game and is favorable to try some more but not convinced. Not long ago Aclyn could have sent here friend 150M isk to allow him to play the game for another month. It was not a huge isk investment and free money wise to both partys. Now Aclyn is looking at sending almost half a billion isk to give him two months. She is FAR less likely to do so, especially because he is unsure. Larry is a new player, he tried the trial and bought the game on his creditcard and is enjoying his free month for paying the full $20. He may find a good corp is hard to find because there may be less players in his SP range. He may find the market for Rifters to be over a quarter million each before buying fittings that are also inflated. At this point he's not thinking market forces cause this ship to cost me a million isk, he's likely thinking "this crap is too expensive when my level one agent barely gives me 30,000 isk rewards. He's got a bunch of rat loot on the market but it's not selling. Inflation and stagnation are unfavorable and felt most by new to mid players. Eve's low class. Originally by: Aclyn Seriy Those of us that enjoy EVE will stay no matter what and those that don't will leave. A change in GTC price will undoubtedly have a small impact on the number of active accounts but I honestly can't see it making that big a difference. EVE has steadily continued to increase its playerbase over the years and will no doubt continue to do so, people will eventually adapt to the new system and carry on as they always have and those that can't or won't adapt will leave, but then that would always have happened. Change happens, sometimes its small and sometimes its large, we all have to get used to it. Stagnation is death no matter what business you are in. I agree the long time players will not quit eve. They WILL reduce the number of alt accounts they run. I disagree the number of active accounts that are alt accounts and thus subject to being dropped are low. I argue that they are signifigant. However I also agree CCP will be fine in the end. Eve will not die. I only forcast a drop in active accounts short term and a drop in growth long term.
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:06:00 - [62] If thats the case why dont we all play RuneScape.....its free. ---------------------------------------------
Forum Guy University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:08:00 - [63] Edited by: Forum Guy on 13/07/2008 21:07:39 Under this logic, those asstastic free games activision puts out there would have infinite subscriber bases? --- Don't make me write you a citation...
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Bob T'Miner stuff Holy overblown consequences batman! - DesuSigs
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:11:00 - [65] Originally by: Armoured C i swear that i seen it documented that eve been growing every month Notice I didn't quote your troll? The change is recent. If the number of active accounts rise over this summer you may call me a fool all you wish. I will join you.
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Bob T'Miner stuff Holy overblown consequences batman! LOL I hope so.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:29:00 - [67] Originally by: Bob T'Miner Inflation and stagnation are unfavorable and felt most by new to mid players. Eve's low class. Interesting, seing as how the market is currently deflating, and in the light of seeing more and more players in the SAK chat every day, all of them saying that they'll most certainly leave WoW behind for ≡v≡…
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Bob T'Miner stuff Holy overblown consequences batman! QFT Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
Prochura	Posted - 2008.07.13 21:56:00 - [69] I can no longer maintain 2 active accounts, so what he says is partly true.
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:01:00 - [70] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Bob T'Miner Inflation and stagnation are unfavorable and felt most by new to mid players. Eve's low class. Interesting, seing as how the market is currently deflating, and in the light of seeing more and more players in the SAK chat every day, all of them saying that they'll most certainly leave WoW behind for ≡v≡à I've only seen the ore market deflate and thats the market a new player needs high. Ship and fitting prices on tech 1 goods that can be produced by new players is also in the gutter. Where as a nice named missle launcher costs more than ever. As far as what people say in SAK chat, who can tell if it's true?
Fabien Aldric Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:04:00 - [71] Originally by: Bob T'Miner OP ATTENTION AMERICANS READ THIS POST TO FIND OUT WHY THE NEW GTC PRICES MAKE SENSE (this post has been adjusted to be appropriate for an american with the IQ of an...well, an average american) Blizzard, the company behind the crime against humanity that is World of Warcraft, is an American company. The country it originates from is the US&A. Therefore, they do business in American dollars (note to Americans: There are also Canadian, Australian, NZ etc. dollars, which aren't the same as your dollars) Crowd Control Productions hf., the company that made and supports EVE Online is NOT an American company. They come from the part of the world that happens not to be inside the borders of the US&A. Therefore, they DO NOT do business in American dollars. Now, the fact is, the American economy, and with it, the American dollar, have both gone to shit recently. Therefore, the American dollar is now worth ** all compared to what it was when the CCP marketing department made up the prices for GTCs in US dollars (which are also sold in other currencies than the US dollars). Since the US dollar is now worth ** all, it's basic math that, to make as much profit in their (NON-AMERICAN) currency as they did before the massive inflation of the US dollar, the US prices have to be increased. In case you haven't noticed, ONLY the US prices have been increased, since the rest of the world's economies aren't on a highway to hell yet. tl;dr for the above-average educated americans: price adjusted due to inflation, nothing to see here. THE STATE PREVAILS!
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Bob T'Miner Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Bob T'Miner CCP is in Iceland not Europe. Iceland is a European country. My ignorance. Fine. Now support why the increase in price (I will grant you exchange rates) has caused the timecode options to be reduced to one, and why the increase in price has caused CCP to backorder the timecodes. Or is this not your argument? You certainly mentioned it. Did you have one beyond European Union membership? The servers however are in London... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Fabien Aldric Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:10:00 - [73] Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Bob T'Miner Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Bob T'Miner CCP is in Iceland not Europe. Iceland is a European country. My ignorance. Fine. Now support why the increase in price (I will grant you exchange rates) has caused the timecode options to be reduced to one, and why the increase in price has caused CCP to backorder the timecodes. Or is this not your argument? You certainly mentioned it. Did you have one beyond European Union membership? The servers however are in London... And Iceland isn't in the EU. ITT: Dumb american's who don't understand how the world economy works complaining about internet spaceships economy. THE STATE PREVAILS!
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:12:00 - [74] Originally by: Bob T'Miner I've only seen the ore market deflate and thats the market a new player needs high. …if they begin their career as miners. Quote: Ship and fitting prices on tech 1 goods that can be produced by new players is also in the gutter. …which helps them avoid the mining problem by doing missions instead, since it's cheap as hell to run them.
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:21:00 - [75] Originally by: Fabien Aldric Originally by: Bob T'Miner OP ATTENTION AMERICANS READ THIS POST TO FIND OUT WHY THE NEW GTC PRICES MAKE SENSE (this post has been adjusted to be appropriate for an american with the IQ of an...well, an average american) Blizzard, the company behind the crime against humanity that is World of Warcraft, is an American company. The country it originates from is the US&A. Therefore, they do business in American dollars (note to Americans: There are also Canadian, Australian, NZ etc. dollars, which aren't the same as your dollars) Crowd Control Productions hf., the company that made and supports EVE Online is NOT an American company. They come from the part of the world that happens not to be inside the borders of the US&A. Therefore, they DO NOT do business in American dollars. Now, the fact is, the American economy, and with it, the American dollar, have both gone to shit recently. Therefore, the American dollar is now worth ** all compared to what it was when the CCP marketing department made up the prices for GTCs in US dollars (which are also sold in other currencies than the US dollars). Since the US dollar is now worth all, it's basic math that, to make as much profit in their (NON-AMERICAN) currency as they did before the massive inflation of the US dollar, the US prices have to be increased. In case you haven't noticed, ONLY the US prices have been increased, since the rest of the world's economies aren't on a highway to hell yet. tl;dr for the above-average educated americans: price adjusted due to inflation, nothing to see here. Very nice, I congratulate your fail. I personally payed by Visa per month. The US credit card subscription price HAS NOT CHANGED**. So your argument only would be valid to GTCs. I'll play along though. Now support why the increase in price (I will grant you exchange rates) has caused the timecode options to be reduced to one, and why the increase in price has caused CCP to backorder the timecodes. Explain how these factors are not causing people to close thier alt accounts.
Lokajin	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:33:00 - [76] Theres one thing wrong with your logic on the game Bob the community isnt anti social just most the 0.0 high horse boys are anti social there are plenty of corps especially for new players to get into and have fun. Im personally only about a 2month old character and I gotta say im impressed in how much the community especially when it comes to new players is helpful. Ive had nothing but help from people the minute ive joined the game. All it takes is a simple question in local/corp and your set. So before you think the community sucks in this game go join WoW where I came from and quit after playing it for 3 1/2 years its the worst community in any MMO ive seen its a elitist game if your not max level they dont give a damn about you. As for the price its called get a credit card its not hard hell you can use your damn debit card so stop complaining and play.
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:48:00 - [77] Originally by: Lokajin Theres one thing wrong with your logic on the game Bob the community isnt anti social just most the 0.0 high horse boys are anti social there are plenty of corps especially for new players to get into and have fun. Im personally only about a 2month old character and I gotta say im impressed in how much the community especially when it comes to new players is helpful. Ive had nothing but help from people the minute ive joined the game. All it takes is a simple question in local/corp and your set. So before you think the community sucks in this game go join WoW where I came from and quit after playing it for 3 1/2 years its the worst community in any MMO ive seen its a elitist game if your not max level they dont give a damn about you. As for the price its called get a credit card its not hard hell you can use your damn debit card so stop complaining and play. Firstly I congratulate your skill at reading comprehension. You have out classed many who have replied here. I also respect your not latching onto only one thing that has little to nothing to do with the discussion. The Lack of insulting ones nation of origin is also nice. Now to your post. As you can see in this thread there are many people who are anti-social. I assure you there are helpfull people in all MMOs, and Eve makes it easier to find them as we are all on the same server in that respect. I have had enough arguments to defeat my assumptions about the impact on new players of the timecard change. You have remeinded me there are just some damn fine people playing this game. So formally: I was wrong the impact on truely new players will be smaller then I had thought. As far as the MONEY get off of it. The thread was never about $5, I don't care about $5, Anyone and everyone who ever thought the damned $5 meant a damn thing to me beyond the ironic claim of "We charge more because it's a premium product". And if you can't see marketing's claim of such to be complete crap I can't help you.
bio damage	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:51:00 - [78] I have no idea why people make such a big deal about "the 2 free expansions" a year, hell the entire game in terms of gigs is tiny compared to the other mmorpg's and there expansions are not real expansions at all but simple updates no way there big enough to be called expansions. Also half the people in eve have had nothing from their last 2 updates, you flight in fleet battles you use the old graphics cause of lag and if your a 00 aliance member fw does not exist to you
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:57:00 - [79] Originally by: bio damage I have no idea why people make such a big deal about "the 2 free expansions" a year, hell the entire game in terms of gigs is tiny compared to the other mmorpg's and there expansions are not real expansions at all but simple updates no way there big enough to be called expansions. Also half the people in eve have had nothing from their last 2 updates, you flight in fleet battles you use the old graphics cause of lag and if your a 00 aliance member fw does not exist to you But in EVE terms, WoW's only content is missions. ... - DesuSigs
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:58:00 - [80] The funny thing is if CCP comes out with a 30 day code ( and actually has some for sale ) then things will smooth back to where they were.
Ra Vhim Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2008.07.13 23:01:00 - [81] If only those who ponder to play WoW instead of Eve just got over their doubts and head for WoW straight away instead of comparing the two games on the forum in an attempt to make WoW into some kind of example to strive for. I doubt I would miss them in Eve.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2008.07.13 23:09:00 - [82] Surely comparing Eve to WoW is like comparing an apple to a banana? Or... more appropriately: comparing a bastard sword with a railgun. Ok, so some people will be attracted to both games but not everyone - Sci-fi types will play Eve, fantasy types with play WoW, non-RP types will chose whichever fits their play style and people will whine at both games. Personally I RP in Eve as a Matari (fun) - I gave up on RPing in fantasy games due to an influx of god-mode players who insisted they were Goki or whatever his name is from the castrated, americanised anime that is Dragonball Z... Upshot: people who want a challenge will play Eve, people who want wrapping in cotton wool should play WoW or Runescape - personally I like the idea that my BC could get blown from under me the next time I undock, I'm not going to magically save 3 or all of my items because the devs listened to the babies out there. /rant
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 23:09:00 - [83] Edited by: Bob T''Miner on 13/07/2008 23:12:25 Originally by: Ra Vhim If only those who ponder to play WoW instead of Eve just got over their doubts and head for WoW straight away instead of comparing the two games on the forum in an attempt to make WoW into some kind of example to strive for. I doubt I would miss them in Eve. The mention of WoW and the price scheme is from the CSM meeting: Linkage If you don't like the comparison take it up with the CSMs. Could we stay on topic?
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:09:00 - [84] Originally by: Bob T'Miner GG CCP consider my accounts closed. No you can't have my stuff. Score, less lag for me. Click me! You know you want to...
Saint Hauler	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:13:00 - [85] Edited by: Saint Hauler on 14/07/2008 00:15:01 Edited by: Saint Hauler on 14/07/2008 00:13:56 Well - I think the 'vastly' increased cost of Eve in comparison to WoW wont hurt it at all - both are designed for entirely different playerbases. Firstly, eve requires patience to skill up, but not a lot of spare time. Most really young mmorpg player lack patience, but have a lot of spare time on their hands to grind their characters to be really evil Orkz or whatever. As soon as you get a job, you will notice that your spare time will decrease drastically and you are happy that your toon learns whilst you're not even logged in as compared to do repetitive idiotic quests all over again. So basically, despite never having even tried WoW, I am pretty confident I will not change because it costs 5$ less than eve - simply because: I. I wouldn't play WoW if I was payed for it. II. I work about 60 hrs a week, a 60 day GTC is worth about 1-2 hours of my working time - now if I had some ingame opportunity to make 400 mill/hour I would probably consider making money ingame. As I lack spare time and can only make about 20 mill/ hour ingame, I don't bother making money ingame all that much - and those 5$ are really irrelevant to me - now if some kid has to run 5 additional l4's in order to have me pay for his next two months of mindless high-sec numbness, I don't give a damn tbh...
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:14:00 - [86] Originally by: Bob T'Miner MMORPGs have a social aspect to them, and its a large one for Joe Average. You can close your eyes to it or not, it's your thing but there is a definate "haves and have-nots" within the eve community. Add that to a large portion of the playerbase being anti-social anyway and you may see how an already complex game as Eve can become less friendly to newer players who do not have the connections you may have. How much of the "fun" you are having can you see a newer or less successful player having? Joe Average player plays the game that is more fun. We were all new once. Most of us have not been playing since beta. We were all "have nots" once. Some people whined and complained, were generally inept, and/or completely failed to break into this community. The rest of us managed, and now feel entitled to say what we want. And we are entitled to do so. Suck it. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Slinkus Gallentus Gallente S.T.D. Productions presents....	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:36:00 - [87] Originally by: Abrazzar Need a /hug? Silly hugger! cheers "Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up"
Ra Vhim Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2008.07.14 00:59:00 - [88] Edited by: Ra Vhim on 14/07/2008 01:01:40 Originally by: Bob T'Miner Could we stay on topic? I thought I was on topic. I will give it another try. Originally by: Bob T'Miner So let me get this straight. 60 day card of World of Warcraft is $30 USD. It has over 10 million active accounts. 60 day code for Eve Online is $35 USD. It has(read had) 300 thousand active accounts. We pay $5 more because it is a "Premium" product. So Eve is Premium over World of Warcraft.....debateable. Pretty much everything is debatable. If you don’t think Eve is a premium, then so be it. Why you would doubt that I do not know since you have not explained yourself. Originally by: Bob T'Miner Number of active accounts take a nosedive. In-game economy suffers further. Where do you get this information about nosedives and a suffering in-game economy? Originally by: Bob T'Miner Now credit card customers decide to go back to WoW because it has pleanty of people to play with and costs less. Again, where do you get your information that credit card customers go back to WoW? Do you have a source the rest of us don’t have? Or are credit card customers = you? Originally by: Bob T'Miner All of this means a dramatic drop in active accounts over the next 4 to 6 months. CCP takes the loss, continues to stand behind marketing, and tries to make it work with a shrinking player base. You seem to state an obvious fact about a dramatic drop in the coming 4-6 months. What do you base this upon? Are you qualified to make such estimations? Also, if your divinations come to be true, how do you know how CCP will act? Inside source? Originally by: Bob T'Miner Perhaps the smaller player base will make the game even more "premium". Irony, yes, I got that. Tell me, what does premium mean for you? You have not even touched that in your post. Is premium = cheapest product? Originally by: Bob T'Miner Add that to a large portion of the playerbase being anti-social anyway and you may see how an already complex game as Eve can become less friendly to newer players who do not have the connections you may have. Yes, I agree that it can be tough for new players. I have found plenty of social people in Eve, though. Perhaps people are just anti-social around you? Originally by: Bob T'Miner How much of the "fun" you are having can you see a newer or less successful player having? Joe Average player plays the game that is more fun. If they think the same thing as I is fun, then they should have no problem having fun. My first character, made 2006, joined 0.0 and started PvPing after 5 days in game. I had plenty of fun. Originally by: Bob T'Miner Firstly I congratulate your skill at reading comprehension. You have out classed many who have replied here. Firstly I must congratulate you on smoothly insulting many who posted in this thread while congratulating someone. You are the kind of social player Eve needs more of. Originally by: Bob T'Miner As you can see in this thread there are many people who are anti-social. Yeah, tell me about it. Though I suspect most people have read whining threads similar to this many times over, which can be a reason why they don’t throw flowers at you. Originally by: Bob T'Miner I have had enough arguments to defeat my assumptions about the impact on new players of the timecard change. You have remeinded me there are just some damn fine people playing this game. I wouldn’t go so far as to make it sounds Eve only have damn nice people.. But it is nice to see that you are receptive to people opinions, even if it differs from your. Many think life is a ***** when people disagree. I mean, why respond to a post if you don’t agree!? Edit: Ooops
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.14 01:16:00 - [89] Originally by: Jeanne D'Eve According to http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html Eve's subscription rate is closer to 250K. Regardless, if you like this game and CCP's price is what they need to keep the game profitable, then you pay it and be happy. You can't compare Eve to any other game. jd yeah becasue a website pulling numbers out its ass makes it fact.. -----------------------------------------------
Khatred ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.07.14 01:17:00 - [90] So like, mmmm, what's worse here, OP jumping to conclusions or the rabid fanbois?

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