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Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:53:00 - [1] So let me get this straight. 60 day card of World of Warcraft is $30 USD. It has over 10 million active accounts. 60 day code for Eve Online is $35 USD. It has(read had) 300 thousand active accounts. We pay $5 more because it is a "Premium" product. So Eve is Premium over World of Warcraft.....debateable. Price of codes has gone up. Many online retailers of the codes are back-ordered or never got the new codes. Supply and demand means the codes that are available to buy for isk are inflated. CCP stands behind marketing's decision. Summer means people playing less, in-game economy suffers. Less market activity means less isk available to buy timecodes. Now people close extra active accounts they cannot/will not pay for with isk. Number of active accounts take a nosedive. In-game economy suffers further. Gameplay suffers for low income players find a harder time. Now credit card customers decide to go back to WoW because it has pleanty of people to play with and costs less. All of this means a dramatic drop in active accounts over the next 4 to 6 months. CCP takes the loss, continues to stand behind marketing, and tries to make it work with a shrinking player base. Perhaps the smaller player base will make the game even more "premium". GG CCP consider my accounts closed. No you can't have my stuff.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:55:00 - [2] So let me get this straight. Whether Joe Average EVE Player plays EVE or WoW is determined solely by which is cheaper per month. Right. - DesuSigs
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:55:00 - [3] Can you please ship me your delicious, delicious tears? I will savor them greatly. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:55:00 - [4] And because GTCs are expensive, EVE will not grow any more? Riiiight...
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Bob T'Miner So let me get this straight. 60 day card of World of Warcraft is $30 USD. It has over 10 million active accounts. 60 day code for Eve Online is $35 USD. It has(read had) 300 thousand active accounts. We pay $5 more because it is a "Premium" product. So Eve is Premium over World of Warcraft.....debateable. Price of codes has gone up. Many online retailers of the codes are back-ordered or never got the new codes. Supply and demand means the codes that are available to buy for isk are inflated. CCP stands behind marketing's decision. Summer means people playing less, in-game economy suffers. Less market activity means less isk available to buy timecodes. Now people close extra active accounts they cannot/will not pay for with isk. Number of active accounts take a nosedive. In-game economy suffers further. Gameplay suffers for low income players find a harder time. Now credit card customers decide to go back to WoW because it has pleanty of people to play with and costs less. All of this means a dramatic drop in active accounts over the next 4 to 6 months. CCP takes the loss, continues to stand behind marketing, and tries to make it work with a shrinking player base. Perhaps the smaller player base will make the game even more "premium". GG CCP consider my accounts closed. No you can't have my stuff. I should imagine 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of eve players wouldn't even contemplate playing a shite game like wow even if it was free.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:56:00 - [6] Need a /hug? -------- Ideas for: Mining
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Bob T'Miner So let me get this straight. 60 day card of World of Warcraft is $30 USD. It has over 10 million active accounts. 60 day code for Eve Online is $35 USD. It has(read had) 300 thousand active accounts. We pay $5 more because it is a "Premium" product. So Eve is Premium over World of Warcraft.....debateable. Price of codes has gone up. Many online retailers of the codes are back-ordered or never got the new codes. Supply and demand means the codes that are available to buy for isk are inflated. CCP stands behind marketing's decision. Summer means people playing less, in-game economy suffers. Less market activity means less isk available to buy timecodes. Now people close extra active accounts they cannot/will not pay for with isk. Number of active accounts take a nosedive. In-game economy suffers further. Gameplay suffers for low income players find a harder time. Now credit card customers decide to go back to WoW because it has pleanty of people to play with and costs less. All of this means a dramatic drop in active accounts over the next 4 to 6 months. CCP takes the loss, continues to stand behind marketing, and tries to make it work with a shrinking player base. Perhaps the smaller player base will make the game even more "premium". GG CCP consider my accounts closed. No you can't have my stuff. also, in WoW you pay for the expansions, btw. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Furb Killer Gallente USC Militia	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:59:00 - [8] I am going to ask santa claus for my own troll
Mangala Solaris Caldari Ma'adim Logistics	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Tarminic Can you please ship me your delicious, delicious tears? I will savor them greatly. He cant. I'm after his eyeballs so he cannot see the keys to type such a post again. And on topic: How many people pay by the GTC method and by the "still-at-same-price-creditcard" method, and of the crowd (me included) that pays for GTC's how many are quitting (and no doubt taking their 20 accounts EACH with them!)? -------
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:00:00 - [10] Edited by: Tharukan Desm''ar on 13/07/2008 19:00:48 Or you could just subscribe online which is a lot cheaper and hasn't been affected by GTC prices.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:02:00 - [11] Hie Bob. Asscuse me. I honessly say you are so wroung. Eve and MMOs will kontienue to grow and peak for teh next 2-4 months befoer recesshun hits. And wehn recesshun is start, MMOs will kontienue to grow beforer masseive desubs. Until tehn, Eve nevar fades. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Bob T'Miner No you can't have my stuff. Cheapskate…
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Crumplecorn So let me get this straight. Whether Joe Average EVE Player plays EVE or WoW is determined solely by which is cheaper per month. Right. MMORPGs have a social aspect to them, and its a large one for Joe Average. You can close your eyes to it or not, it's your thing but there is a definate "haves and have-nots" within the eve community. Add that to a large portion of the playerbase being anti-social anyway and you may see how an already complex game as Eve can become less friendly to newer players who do not have the connections you may have. How much of the "fun" you are having can you see a newer or less successful player having? Joe Average player plays the game that is more fun. I will be happy to reply to any other posts what have a bit of worth to them.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:10:00 - [14] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 13/07/2008 19:15:03 Have you read my sig quote? EVE is the only game out there on the market that still grows after 5 whole years!! SWG celebrated their 5 years too, and they have been crashing for a long time now! Go back to WoW. or maybe go to Conan! Ofcource the latter game dont have anything to offer besides a beutiful graphic if you have the lastest videocard that is! Me, I am going to stay with EVE! Its now more then ever my home, and no games who have recently launch or will launch seems to be even coming close to compete with EVE. Ironlially enough the only game I can THINK of will start competing with EVE will be World of Darkness when it gets launched! Ofcource made by CCP! :D I dunno what it is about yet, but being CCP it has to be great! So please, find yourself a different game if a few dollars difference have this kind of impact on your life! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Hie Bob. Asscuse me. I honessly say you are so wroung. Eve and MMOs will kontienue to grow and peak for teh next 2-4 months befoer recesshun hits. And wehn recesshun is start, MMOs will kontienue to grow beforer masseive desubs. Until tehn, Eve nevar fades. Sorry Jenny, MMOs always have a drop in activity in the summer months. Eve is no exception.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Nex Super Vos	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:10:00 - [16] No the OP is totally right! Now that I know that World of Warcrap is cheaper than EVE (if I'm using time cards ofc) I'm totally going to quit EVE and make the switch! Or maybe the OP has just smoked a little too much crack this morning. -Karlemgne
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:11:00 - [17] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 13/07/2008 19:12:44 Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 13/07/2008 19:12:16 Originally by: Bob T'Miner Sorry Jenny, MMOs always have a drop in activity in the summer months. Eve is no exception. No. I say Eve is paeking from now ... not drop! Peak in teh next 2-4 motnhs. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Bob T'Miner So let me get this straight. 60 day card of World of Warcraft is $30 USD. It has over 10 million active accounts. 60 day code for Eve Online is $35 USD. It has(read had) 300 thousand active accounts. We pay $5 more because it is a "Premium" product. So Eve is Premium over World of Warcraft.....debateable. Expansion for World of Warcraft is US$40-50.... Expansion for Eve is FREEEEEEE!!!!! We normally get 2 "free" expansions a year, so if you take that "extra" $5/month for a year ($60/yr extra), then divide it by those two free expansions, it works out to $30 an expansion. Hmmmm seems like it is cheaper to play eve in the long run. I for one welcome the lose of you to this server, we have enough whiner alts as it is. --
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:12:00 - [19] Edited by: Tippia on 13/07/2008 19:12:50 Originally by: Bob T'Miner MMORPGs have a social aspect to them, and its a large one for Joe Average. You can close your eyes to it or not, it's your thing but there is a definate "haves and have-nots" within the eve community. Add that to a large portion of the playerbase being anti-social anyway and you may see how an already complex game as Eve can become less friendly to newer players who do not have the connections you may have. How much of the "fun" you are having can you see a newer or less successful player having? Joe Average player plays the game that is more fun. Very nice. So what does this have to do with the cost of GTCs? Oh, and the steady increase of ≡v≡ players seems to suggest that you're quite wrong: new players apparently have a lot of fun, even in the shadow of (supposedly) more successful old-timers.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:12:00 - [20] Awwwwww, does OP need a hug? offers a hug from a fedo - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Mangala Solaris And on topic: How many people pay by the GTC method and by the "still-at-same-price-creditcard" method, and of the crowd (me included) that pays for GTC's how many are quitting (and no doubt taking their 20 accounts EACH with them!)? Personally I use the credit card method. Time will tell the effect of the time card change. While I freely admit my forcast may be wrong I think it is valid. I welcome any thoughtfull debate on it. However time will tell.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:15:00 - [22] ffs the OP is whining about five dollars over a two month period. The GOP must have really screwed over the American economy in a big way if five dollars over a two month period is something to get upset about. Just sell another pint of blood and get over it.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 13/07/2008 19:16:58 Originally by: Bob T'Miner MMORPGs have a social aspect to them, and its a large one for Joe Average. You can close your eyes to it or not, it's your thing but there is a definate "haves and have-nots" within the eve community. Add that to a large portion of the playerbase being anti-social anyway and you may see how an already complex game as Eve can become less friendly to newer players who do not have the connections you may have. How much of the "fun" you are having can you see a newer or less successful player having? Joe Average player plays the game that is more fun. I will be happy to reply to any other posts what have a bit of worth to them. If EVE being unfriendly was ever going to hinder its progress, it would never got off the ground in the first place. The social aspect is just another reason why people won't want to leave even if the price increase does annoy them. All the "fun" I personally have in the game can be had by practically brand new players if they so wish. People who play WoW and EVE are looking for two different things. So you're argument that they will play the game that is more fun is exactly why a certain group of people will keep coming to EVE regardless of its price. - DesuSigs
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:17:00 - [24] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 13/07/2008 19:18:09 Originally by: Bob T'Miner Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Hie Bob. Asscuse me. I honessly say you are so wroung. Eve and MMOs will kontienue to grow and peak for teh next 2-4 months befoer recesshun hits. And wehn recesshun is start, MMOs will kontienue to grow beforer masseive desubs. Until tehn, Eve nevar fades. Sorry Jenny, MMOs always have a drop in activity in the summer months. Eve is no exception. Yep. A solid drop it is too, from 43000 in the middle of a cold winter with an expansion pack just released, to 39000 in the middle of the summer (right now at this very moment btw!!) without an expansionpack just being released! I think EVE stands like a shining beacon for everything thats perfecth! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Joe Starbreaker AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Crumplecorn So let me get this straight. Whether Joe Average EVE Player plays EVE or WoW is determined solely by which is cheaper per month. Right. I think some of the high school kids, like the OP, might choose to play a game that's $2.50 cheaper per month. That's a good thing for EVE btw!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I think EVE stands like a shining beacon for everything thats perfecth! Yaaaarrrr. This si so treu, I habe to admit. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief
Jennai The Greater Goon	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:21:00 - [27] CCP is European, US$ is weak and will probably get worse, price hike isn't entirely unexpected.
Ekrid	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Bob T'Miner So let me get this straight. 60 day card of World of Warcraft is $30 USD. It has over 10 million active accounts. 60 day code for Eve Online is $35 USD. It has(read had) 300 thousand active accounts. We pay $5 more because it is a "Premium" product. So Eve is Premium over World of Warcraft.....debateable. Price of codes has gone up. Many online retailers of the codes are back-ordered or never got the new codes. Supply and demand means the codes that are available to buy for isk are inflated. CCP stands behind marketing's decision. Summer means people playing less, in-game economy suffers. Less market activity means less isk available to buy timecodes. Now people close extra active accounts they cannot/will not pay for with isk. Number of active accounts take a nosedive. In-game economy suffers further. Gameplay suffers for low income players find a harder time. Now credit card customers decide to go back to WoW because it has pleanty of people to play with and costs less. All of this means a dramatic drop in active accounts over the next 4 to 6 months. CCP takes the loss, continues to stand behind marketing, and tries to make it work with a shrinking player base. Perhaps the smaller player base will make the game even more "premium". GG CCP consider my accounts closed. No you can't have my stuff. Good. if you prognosticate correctly, a lot of these lame alt dual boxing tards will have to stick it out with one character.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:27:00 - [29] Originally by: Ekrid Good. if you prognosticate correctly, a lot of these lame alt dual boxing tards will have to stick it out with one character. Yeah, because people who pay for two or more accounts in the same game and people who go for the cheapest option are the same demographic. Sigh - DesuSigs
Bob T'Miner	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Crumplecorn [If EVE being unfriendly was ever going to hinder its progress, it would never got off the ground in the first place. The social aspect is just another reason why people won't want to leave even if the price increase does annoy them. All the "fun" I personally have in the game can be had by practically brand new players if they so wish. People who play WoW and EVE are looking for two different things. So you're argument that they will play the game that is more fun is exactly why a certain group of people will keep coming to EVE regardless of its price. To a large degree of the actual people playing I will agree with you. And the ISK for code price will certainly level out once people start closing those alt accounts. Make the distinction please that the drop in numbers I refer to is a drop in active accounts not a drop of the people playing Eve. CCP makes thier money from active accounts. I never said EVE IS DEAD or any such nonsense. Again, I said the number of active accounts will deminish, and I think to a negative effect to the game for new to mid players via less market activity and to a degree less new to mis people to play with.

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