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GM Panzer
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Posted - 2004.05.24 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: GM Panzer on 24/05/2004 04:25:40
10 Safety Tips
Loosing ships, items and getting podded, is all a healthy part of EVE. However, there are several ways to increase the safety of your characters and minimize potential losses. I guess most of you allready know how to use most of the features I will list. Nevertheless, you would be surprised to know how many cases we see, where players could have avoided big losses by just using simple ingame features and being a bit more careful. So here below Im going to list 10 useful safety measures that can help to keep your clone contract unused.
1. Dont play the game in AFK mode. This game is not designed with this kind of playing style in mind and you should NEVER consider your ship and character safe while being away from your computer.
2. Enter space with security status below 0.5 at own risk. You can NEVER expect to be safe in unsecure space regardless of sentry guns and such.
3. Insure all ships you are using, especially the expensive ones. Since the the time of an insurance contract was changed to 12 weeks, it makes sense without doubt to buy the most expensive "platinum" type of insurnace. At least for those who play quite fequently.
4. Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime and even though being able to punish the criminal, can't always prevent the crime.
5. Don't rely on Sentry Guns to keep you a 100% safe. Especially not when travelling in unsecure space. There are several tactical ways to avoid sentry gun fire, that are NOT considered to be an exploit.
6. Use map filters such as "ships destroyed in the last hour" to spot possible player pirate camps and other dangerous areas.
7. Use the local chat channel to see whats happening within the system when you have just jumped in.
8. Monitor your faction standing closely. If you have a negative standing (-2.0 or more) against any faction you can expect them to attack you on sight.
9. Use Warp Core Stabilizers to avoid being warp jammed. The more, the merrier.
10. Use the auto-scanner and set it to alert you when anyone in scanning range is a potential threat to you.
Or better yet, always expect the worst, trust noone and never leave station  .
All you veterans of EVE, please feel free to contribute any tips regarding in-space safety.
I hope this is of any help, especially for some of you new players.
Stay out of trouble and keep enjoying EVE
GM Panzer
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.05.24 04:10:00 -
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Nice.
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.05.24 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 24/05/2004 04:13:50
Great tips, except the faction thing is obsolete, has to be like -5 now for them to care iirc.
Also undocking when there are people in local is dangerous. Especially if you have enemies and/or are flying a priceless ship o_0
Don't petition people for harassment when they blow you up. That'll p i s s them off and they'll dedicate their lives to griefing you out of the game.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.05.24 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 24/05/2004 04:25:00
Best tips are:
Don't spend your life afk mining im empire space for a battleship then take it to 0.0 and die like a bish. Go to 0.0 in a frigate, shoot some people, shoot some npcs die a few times, learn the pvp basics and have some fun.
Thirdly TREAT EVERYONE AS HOSTILE unless you know otherwise, ie if you dont know someone as a friend or aquiantance assume they are planning to kill you and watch them at all times.
Finally, do NOT base your ship setups on some crap you read on the forums as most of the setups I see on here are complete and utter junk, many is the time we have downed a battleship to find that not only does it have the wrong type of guns for that ship but the wrong sized modules as well (two small shield boosters on an apoc etc etc. and yes thats true). Experiment on your own and if you can't afford to do it on tq use chaos.
Although saying all of this 90% of the noobs will afk mine in empire space till they have a bship and then promptly get ganked as soon as they hit 0.0 space. Then they will run here, cry about some exploit or cheat and then threaten to quit. Just the way of the game :P
Stavros
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.05.24 04:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Stavros
TREAT EVERYONE AS HOSTILE unless you know otherwise, ie if you dont know someone as a friend or aquiantance assume they are planning to kill you and watch them at all times.
Best tip in this thread.
If you are in 0.0, unless you know them they will probably try to kill you. Just assume that.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.24 05:52:00 -
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When you are warp scrambled you are not dead yet. You can still escape by moving away from the spot if they didn't webify you. For this, click on empty space.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.05.24 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 24/05/2004 07:51:12
11. If 1-10 didn't help you to avoid a blockade and you are sitting there being scrambled and triple webified, then try to act reasonable. Wait for a convo, accept it, stop your ship, be mature in the convo and think about what your life and your ship is worth to you, don't expect to be the winner in that kind of conflict, but you can still go out with a lesser loss than losing everything.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.05.24 06:27:00 -
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There is a first time for everything it seems.
/emote aplauds this GM and give him 5 starts in my book
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Dufas
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Posted - 2004.05.24 06:29:00 -
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rule i live by...if you cant afford to replace it..then dont take the chance of losing it...that goes for ships and mods
im also working on a way to mine while not having to undock..i'll keep u posted 
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Stavros
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Posted - 2004.05.24 06:44:00 -
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Yeah that never ceases to amaze me, ships with two and even 3 types of guns and sometimes 2 and 3 kinds of weapon upgrade, I mean WTF?
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Shovasta
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Posted - 2004.05.24 07:15:00 -
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Never accept gang invites from strangers.
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Laika Minirva
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Posted - 2004.05.24 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Laika Minirva on 24/05/2004 07:30:40
Here are some tips:
Most newbies i meet start out mining, which is very dangerous.Basicly once you start mining, its very hard to stop.You start in a bantam, thinking "If i had mining skill IV i could use miner¦s and i'd be in a cruiser in no time!" then your corp mates lure you into their mining trap with slogans such as "Did you know a Thorax can make 2 million ISK an hour?"
Its all lies!You don't have to start mining, you are not your ISK!Soon you'll be in a battleship, with 7 million mining-related skillpoints and you'll quit the game out of boredom.Or go into 0.0 thinking you're Mr.Hotshít McBattleshipOwner and get ganked by 2 kestrels and a rifter.Only mine if you really enjoy mining. (and there are those that do, believe it or not*)
Also, Many people care about their skilltraining times, and as soon as they have the money they go crazy and buy a full set of implants.Even for *real* rich people, 60-80 million ISK for a full set is nothing to be laughed at.Anyway what usually happens is that implants severely ristrict people from having fun.I think its the no.1 excuse for not joining 0.0 operations. "Uhm i can't, what about my implants"
Basicly everyone should reflect on themselves and choose between more fun, or extra training time cowaring away stripmining scordite in yulai.
P.S. my frigate got ganked by a dominix with tachyons and autocannon projectiles on it down in Great Wildlands last night.But hey, he's Curse Alliance..bless his little cotton socks. 
P.P.S. Here is the 'why do people enjoy mining theory'
Basicly, there are 2 types of miners who enjoy mining:
Type 1 bleeds from the crotch.Obviously.
Type 2 treats EVE as a glorified chat program, and just mines to kill the time while chatting with others, often about totally non-EVE related subjects. (The weather in Stockholm, the wingspan of snowy owls, my boyfriend left me, blablabla)
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.05.24 07:31:00 -
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According to the latest news after petitioning the answer from a GM:
Loggin off while beeing warpscrambled is a gamemechanism, and should make you dissapear after x ammount of seconds. If it doesn't, petition it. You might get your ship refunded.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.05.24 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 24/05/2004 07:53:11
Originally by: DREAMWORKS
Loggin off while beeing warpscrambled is a gamemechanism, and should make you dissapear after x ammount of seconds. If it doesn't, petition it. You might get your ship refunded.
Not recommended if you're trying to do it against someone who is trying to ransom you. Next time, your ship will be destroyed and your pod will be sqished, no questions asked. Also, if you're doing it against someone who is not trying to ransom but just kill you, it will probably make you the #1 target if you attack fleet vs fleet.
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2004.05.24 07:48:00 -
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oh and to add to the discussion at hand: under most circumstances, as of now, try to work your setup around a MWD. Meaning the first thing you should put on your ship is a MWD of appropriate size (1mn, 10mn, 100mn for frigates, cruisers, and battleships respectively) and work with the setup from there. 
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.05.24 07:50:00 -
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Learn how to use the scanner and put out safespots!
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Laika Minirva
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Posted - 2004.05.24 07:50:00 -
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I've got one about the "LOLLERCAUST!" too, but alas.. i can't show it here. 
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.05.24 07:50:00 -
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If you jump into a system with enemies, and they are not at the gate you are at, don't warp to the other gate. Instead, warp to a planet, moon or similar and from there use the directional scanner on the other gate to see if they are there.
This doesn't always work, as some systems are too big to have any object close enough to be within scanner range from the stargate, but it might save a few ships.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.05.24 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Judicator on 24/05/2004 08:23:03
Undock local chat from the main window and keep it in a corner. Monitor it while flying around. This applies mostly if you have empire wars, are traveling in 0.0 or through unsecure empire space.
Look at the map befor eyou travel if you are going through zones that are inherently dangerous. Sort by Pod kills in 24 hours/1 hours and shipkills equally. The map is not always totally reliable, but it gives a good overview.
And last but not least, as a few has mentioned, be paranoid as hell. If it's not definatly with you it's probably out to get you.
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Learn how to make instajump bookmarks and make them in inexpensive ships. With instajump bookmarks you will travel fast and "safe". There is always a risk they get you on the JIP on the other side or a mobile warp disrupter pulls you out right where any ganksquad want you.
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HybridMiner
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Posted - 2004.05.24 08:30:00 -
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Hehe, scorpyn, you didnt ransom my megathron, but at least i went down honourably and took out a ship on my way down =p
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.05.24 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 24/05/2004 09:11:41
Originally by: HybridMiner
Hehe, scorpyn, you didnt ransom my megathron, but at least i went down honourably and took out a ship on my way down =p
I wasn't referring to you
We usually do ransom, but in your case we got a little carried away. We had just started pirating, and it was actually the 2nd battleship I had attacked since the start (of the pirating that is), and we were not really prepaired to be able to get any ransom money at that time and as such we didn't watch local... sorry 'bout that... and it was exciting, especially the fact that you got one of our ships (note to self : drones are dangerous  )
btw, I checked the fraps footage... I can't believe I missed it, I must have been blind - I didn't notice it until a corpmate said it on ventrilo, and at that time it was too late to react... as I said, we had started the pirating very recently.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.05.24 09:19:00 -
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After surviving 2-3 months:
Get a master/mentor. Luke Skywalker needed Joda and you need a player that teaches you to use the force. This will help you to minimize your lost ships. Don¦t cry or beg - attack him. Even if he blows up your ship he¦ll show respect if you attack his BS in a frig. Fearless attackers in EVE are rare and worthy players.
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HybridMiner
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Posted - 2004.05.24 09:52:00 -
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Hehe, no problem man :)
I actually forgot about my drones, if i hadnt i may have managed some more dammage, the Blackbird i killed was with my 425mm's, but i had my npc fit so i had no chance up against several pvp fitted ships =/
Contact me ingame, i wanna see the fraps footage =]
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2004.05.24 10:26:00 -
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A lot of good tips here :-)
Here's a couple of my preferred approaches:
If you're travelling through known hotspots, always try and get another warp-in angle to the gate than the one the campers are expecting, gate-to-gate gets you dead :)(yes, always assume they are in fact camping)
Also, as someone else mentioned, try and find the planet/moon closest to the gate you want to go through, and use the directional scanner to asess the situation. If there are no nearby planets, use the old MWD-to-drain-cap trick and cover the needed distance in short warps.
Finally, if you're going to cover some distance in unsecure space, team up with someone! You'd be surprised how many supposedly badass pirates disappear without a trace as soon as two or more pilots enter their otherwise deserted system :-)
Oh, and somebody needs to say this: Use instajump BM's
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Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.05.24 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ashka Neris on 24/05/2004 10:31:48
If you plan to 0.0 mine, practice practice practice. Never evere take in a cruiser until you've figured out the tactics invloved.
Always start in a probe, bantam... or the race equivilent. They're cheap, got big cargo holds (for the rare mins) and easily replaceble. Insure it, the costs are just about replacerd and alsways upgrade your clone. Once you're used to the dangers and can afford the risk of loosing one, then take in a cruiser to mine, but make sure your well modded, casue those player pirates always come prepared.
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Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.05.24 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alkad Mzu
A lot of good tips here :-)
Oh, and somebody needs to say this: Use instajump BM's
Wont they be made obsoletee soon? :(
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.05.24 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 24/05/2004 10:40:09
Originally by: HybridMiner
I actually forgot about my drones, if i hadnt i may have managed some more dammage, the Blackbird i killed was with my 425mm's
Note to self : Sensor dampeners are not good when fighting short range 
hmm... no drones? need to check that video again... 
Originally by: HybridMiner
Contact me ingame, i wanna see the fraps footage =]
I will
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.05.24 11:21:00 -
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My 2 Isk.
When passing through lower security areas, speak to people if they're there. Not everyone is a pirate, they can often provide useful info on the system, constellation or region that can prove valuable. As always though, remain on your guard.
A little research on the areas you frequent can save a lot of heartache
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
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Dami
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Posted - 2004.05.24 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: GM Panzer
Edited by: GM Panzer on 24/05/2004 04:25:40
8. Monitor your faction standing closely. If you have a negative standing (-2.0 or more) against any faction you can expect them to attack you on sight.
Well now i'm confused. Some people say that faction stading doesn't matter, only security status does. Now the GM tells me the oposite. I've been doing missions (lvl3, currier)) for 1 month and gain quite some negative faction stadings (Gallente -2.2, etc) but i can travel normal in gallente state. Can some1 explain this crap about faction standings?
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Syme
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Posted - 2004.05.24 11:43:00 -
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Basically if you have done an enourmous amount of missions for one faction or attacked another factions ships on a regular basis you will be treated as a criminal by that faction. A message will appear when you enter their space telling you when this will happen.
Another safety tip: If you are in a battleship, do not travel alone. Battleships are fleet ships not for soloing in. (Oh how many times do I have to hit my head against my keyboard for this lesson to get through my thick skull ) |
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