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Rexthor Hammerfists Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.17 16:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Veldya Why should NC make decisions on who should hold space that the NC does not plan to contest? Why should they get involved in non-NC conflicts? If the NC was telling you that you couldn't take over some space then you would be posting on CAOD complaining that the NC is protecting weak alliances who don't deserve to hold space. NC shouldve made decisions best for them, who would you rather have as neighbour, an alliance dedicated to hold that space, or ra who are just interested int he moons and if things go bad - well for them its not worth it to defend with all they got. Some russian alliance has taken 2 or more high profile moons from Mostly Harmless in lowsec, would you say that morsusu mihi would be able to stand against them alone, i very much doubt it - does that mean theyre not worthy to hold space? not at all. The Nc is a group of allainces which alone wont make it far, itll be interesting if they can hold it together and how well its their only chance. About bob with their max taking moons, i cant imagine for a second that theyre in the north for some moons, no matter what to profit is, im not so sure if theyre after those stations either. So whoever sent that mail to eddz, keep sending em ;)
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.17 16:06:00 - [62] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Jake Nooble Originally by: NerftheSmurf heh, RA nailed 2 gbc dreads then got doomsdayed. the DD is eve pvp at its absolute finest. Much like alt poasting According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Demondrew Minmatar Trident Enterprises Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.07.17 16:12:00 - [63] Thanks KIAEddz, Finally after so long some actual content on this forum you almost have to go back 6 months for any actual news. Good structure on the battle reports from a semi subjective point of view. I like many others would like to hear BOB's prospective on this. This kind of reporting is what used to make COAD worth reading once and a while just to be on the outside looking in. Props to BOB and NC for providing me something to think about at work.
Fiyah Sun Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.17 16:37:00 - [64] We had a pretty fun fleet fight last night with the NC in 2R- last night.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.17 16:45:00 - [65] Originally by: Veldya THIS is really the golden opportunity Goons wanted, they have a large number of BoB capitals that do not have the luxury of the Delve fortress. If NC/RA/Goons plan to massacre the capital fleet it would be a crushing blow for BoB. Having pacified Stain Empire and conquered Esoteria and Stain, ---
Uuve Savisaalo Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.07.17 16:48:00 - [66] Originally by: Avon The one thing that we absolutely do not want is a huge capital fight. Definately not. Seriously. the logic goes something like if you've got more deployed capitals on the field, statistics dictate a higher number should load and be functional on the field under the worst of circumstances. that being obvious to the opponent is the real benefit of max - your enemies effectively have to decide whether they wish to engage in, at best, costly gambles or withoutdaw without defense, thereby averting capital losses & the loss of face. you've to remember f-t though, a numerical overmatch doesn't let you divine the lag. with numbers so high on both sides, any deployment is bound to throw so many wrenches into the node that you get all sorts of black magic effects like 2/3's of your fleet mysteriously going nowhere. the strategy is an interesting one because it is primarily psychological warfare - put to an actual field test, it can just as well blow up in your own face, which you stand to suffer from by far more than any one of your advesaries.
Thor Firehammer Amarr Infinite Sorrow Inc	Posted - 2008.07.17 16:55:00 - [67] Originally by: KIAEddZ Well I logged in this morning, to find 10 Eve mail sin my box. Those 10 Evemails were firstly a very polite mail explaining thi smans personal situation, followed by the 9 mails you will see posted here. I have absolutely no interest in this "war", but this report seems to be well written and reasonably inpartial.. ish Anyways, enjoy: I'll try to keep this is brief and neutral as possible: The buildup - Most of this was posted at that point. Basicly BoB moves to x-7o, a NPC-station-system in Pure Blind. From there they launch an attack on IRON, and in particular, VFK-. The initial fights are pretty straightforward. BoB throw themselves through the gate, Iron defend it. Main fights are at one gate, but BoB tries to flank and go through another simultaneously. They managed to tackle an Avatar, who DD's their butt and Iron get some quick help by a mix of NC and some 60 RA. Thanks to RA and the titan the fight ends in favour of NC. Friday passes with no major engagements, BoB building up their base in x-7o and NC mobilizing to support IRON. Saturday sees some action. NC is camping homeland while reports come of a BoB fleet that approaches from behind/another pipe. NC jump their main fleet towards JU-, where BoB has launched an attack on the cynojammer. Second NC fleet meanwhile prepares to jumpbridge to flank BoB. For some reason they decide to jump to a dead-end system, S-DN, which allows for NC to gather the two fleets again and set up on optimals on the gate. BoB jumps back into JU- and of course get slaughtered. The main part of the NC fleet are not even present, 15min delay on jumps through gates, couple of mins to load grid and a few mins to activate mods. Lag hit both sides bad, but NC had the position and the numbers in this fight. Sunday has an early/US TZ fight in 2R-, BoB gets repelled here as well. Losses on both sides are pretty equal but NC holds the field. ..later that sunday BoB floods into CCP- and starts to work on the cynojammer. NC has a fleet about the double size compared to the BoB numbers, and when the jammer approaches half armor, NC sends about half fleet into CCP- while the other is trying to flank BoB. BoB immediately retreats into DO6. NC main fleet follows and starts to clear off all stragglers they can, when 7 (seven) cynos lit up and NC are called back. BoB cyno in at least two titans, a mothership, a bunch of dreads and.. they seem to equip all their pod-pilots with HACs, their fleet goes from BS- to HAC-heavy. While in D06, BoB pops a small, abandoned mining tower. Obviously both sides are reluctant to jump into eachother so.. BoB calls it a day and retreats. Monday was fairly dead, NC manned their camp while BoB was seen cynoing in/out lots of logistics in x-7o. Tuesday saw BoB and RA fight over some POS somewhere, reports has it BoB have popped 15 or so RA-towers a bit away but it's nothing anyone bothered to defend as far as I know up until this point. BoB scores a few carrier-kills, while NC is busy killing a carrier/dread of some unknown people somewhere else. Wednesday had no fight of significance either. -> So now you know what going on up in the north now close that other thread you had open asking what was going on. Your attention whoring on these forums are almost equal to TT's but his threads always deliver yours do not. This wat by far the best post you have ever made and thats not saying much.
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:07:00 - [68] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Jake Nooble Originally by: NerftheSmurf heh, RA nailed 2 gbc dreads then got doomsdayed. the DD is eve pvp at its absolute finest. Much like alt poasting Which sucks the most, (i) alt posting, (ii) proliferation of titans, or (iii) being in EXE? Its a tough one.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists The Nc is a group of allainces which alone wont make it far, itll be interesting if they can hold it together and how well its their only chance. Razor would do fine on their own, the rest i guess you are right though.
SunglassesInSpace SPACE DUDES	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:10:00 - [70] KIAEddz you're just a big forums attention *****, man. You don't know what it's like up there man, you don't know what it's liiiiiiiiike!!!!!

Estios Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:20:00 - [71] It just amazes me how many Goons post on this forum, I dont even know what/who you are. Posting on CAOD appears to be the only thing you have ever acheived in EVE , gg. The hatred you have is admirable, yay for the internet So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:29:00 - [72] Originally by: Estios It just amazes me how many Goons post on this forum, I dont even know what/who you are. Posting on CAOD appears to be the only thing you have ever acheived in EVE , gg. MY EVE ACHIEVEMENTS: BECOME A DICE PILOT: WRITE 10 HORRIBLE NERDY POSTS ACHIEVEMENT: UNLOCKED! -clp
Mo'Chuisle Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:49:00 - [73] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Jake Nooble Originally by: NerftheSmurf heh, RA nailed 2 gbc dreads then got doomsdayed. the DD is eve pvp at its absolute finest. Much like alt poasting Which sucks the most, (i) alt posting, (ii) proliferation of titans, or (iii) being in EXE? Its a tough one. Duh, being in ExE ofc
bloomich Caldari In Siders	Posted - 2008.07.17 18:04:00 - [74] I got a evemail from a KIA pilot unhappy about Eddz's attention whoring and recent fake cotracts. Can I start a new thread as well?
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.17 18:45:00 - [75] Originally by: SunglassesInSpace You don't know what it's like up there man, you don't know what it's liiiiiiiiike!!!!! I see somebody was watching Rambo too!
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2008.07.17 18:56:00 - [76] Better reports than most of the garbage in these forums. Too bad the Pure guy didn't just post it on his own behalf. I suspect he'd have just gotten the same amount of trolling regardless.
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.07.17 20:04:00 - [77] this report allows outsiders to understand what is maximum dammage, MAX ? winning fleetbattles and kill hundreds of insured battleships? or denie your main foe income worth of billions per day by stoping highend moonmining on multiple locations? success of a campaingn is measured by meeting objectives. its obvious that bobs objectives are not KB stats in this campaign as they are clearly accepting disproportional causalitys to meet there objectives. with my limited access to information i would not call the max campaign a failture yet. it is another interestiong aproach to the economic side of the conflict between gbc and the red front, a answer to the increasing number of highend moons ra are using. will follow with interest
Cpt Lollercakes Warriors of COAD	Posted - 2008.07.17 20:15:00 - [78] Edited by: Cpt Lollercakes on 17/07/2008 20:16:17 Edited by: Cpt Lollercakes on 17/07/2008 20:15:43 Originally by: Mah Kraah this report allows outsiders to understand what is maximum dammage, MAX ? winning fleetbattles and kill hundreds of insured battleships? or denie your main foe income worth of billions per day by stoping highend moonmining on multiple locations? success of a campaingn is measured by meeting objectives. its obvious that bobs objectives are not KB stats in this campaign as they are clearly accepting disproportional causalitys to meet there objectives. with my limited access to information i would not call the max campaign a failture yet. it is another interestiong aproach to the economic side of the conflict between gbc and the red front, a answer to the increasing number of highend moons ra are using. will follow with interest This made my eyes bleed and I'm still confused. MAX is the guy in the pink furry hat, right?
Blitz'Krieg Caldari Demon Theory OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.17 20:24:00 - [79] Originally by: King Fury Says the gutless alt, at least Kia dont need 500 allies to back them up in a fight. Yes they do. Thats why they gave up period basis without a fight.
Professor Impossible Claflin Industries	Posted - 2008.07.17 22:02:00 - [80] My understanding of the MAX campaign is that it is just going to keep going and going and going. NC may be able to repel them many many times, and BoB may take more losses, but it's just going to keep going and going and eventually BoB may start to make some serious headway. My impression is that because it's the beginning of the campaign they are trying out a bunch of different tactics. When they start figuring out which tactics work the best things may start to change.

Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.17 22:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Jake Nooble Originally by: NerftheSmurf heh, RA nailed 2 gbc dreads then got doomsdayed. the DD is eve pvp at its absolute finest. HAMMERFALL INDUSTRIES well almost
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2008.07.17 23:11:00 - [82] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists The towers bob takes down from ra yield about 2b isk per day You're misinformed. The raw materials from one Dysprosium moon yields approximately 5B isk per month, based on recent average market prices. -----------------------------------------
Jita Mistress Forge Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.17 23:36:00 - [83] LOL at Rexthor feebly trying to dent the NC morale with his terrible posting. That kind of thing doesn't really work after having your fleets obliterated 7 times in a row.
Kira Knightly Caldari Health and Beauty Spa	Posted - 2008.07.18 00:20:00 - [84] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists The towers bob takes down from ra yield about 2b isk per day You're misinformed. The raw materials from one Dysprosium moon yields approximately 5B isk per month, based on recent average market prices. At 85k a unit its approx 6 Bil. Its another 2.5 Bil for each Promo moon. A lot depends on how many of those 20 moons were one or the other 5 Dyrpos and 10 Promo's would probably be close enough to be classed as 2 Bil a day. However only RA and BoB (and a handfull of NC/ex-Tri individuals will know exactly how many of those 20 moons were the top 2) One of the Regions up in the NW corner had 17 of them. So given the fact that its 2-3 regions worth of top end moons i id say they have got somewhere inbetween the quoted 2 Bil per day and a more realistic 1 Bil per day.
Hugo Splat Myrmidons	Posted - 2008.07.18 00:47:00 - [85] Originally by: Jake Nooble Eddz maybe when your corp/alliance achieves something worthy in this game you can make a thread about it. But until then your a clueless pubbie, because lets face it, your corp and alliance is pretty awful. Atleast his Alliance didnt cheat to get where they are Free sabres anyone?
Alexa Komnenos Minmatar Byzantine Holding Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.18 03:38:00 - [86] Originally by: Kira Knightly Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists The towers bob takes down from ra yield about 2b isk per day You're misinformed. The raw materials from one Dysprosium moon yields approximately 5B isk per month, based on recent average market prices. At 85k a unit its approx 6 Bil. Its another 2.5 Bil for each Promo moon. A lot depends on how many of those 20 moons were one or the other 5 Dyrpos and 10 Promo's would probably be close enough to be classed as 2 Bil a day. However only RA and BoB (and a handfull of NC/ex-Tri individuals will know exactly how many of those 20 moons were the top 2) One of the Regions up in the NW corner had 17 of them. So given the fact that its 2-3 regions worth of top end moons i id say they have got somewhere inbetween the quoted 2 Bil per day and a more realistic 1 Bil per day. One solution to the Moon Scourge would be if moon mineral spawns shifted over time, so that any given moon will contain certain minerals, but once "mined out" it shifts to another. Say every 3 months all the moons are randomly reset, which would give anyone a reasonable amount of time to get a return on investment. This way there would be incentive for exploration, and there would be the potential for ANY moon to be a high end, for a time. It would also prevent the best spawns from being static, and thus, controllable by the top power blocs. Of course, Bob and RA would cry another ocean if that were to happen.
Haargoth Agamar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.18 05:45:00 - [87] Originally by: Hugo Splat Originally by: Jake Nooble Eddz maybe when your corp/alliance achieves something worthy in this game you can make a thread about it. But until then your a clueless pubbie, because lets face it, your corp and alliance is pretty awful. Atleast his Alliance didnt cheat to get where they are Free sabres anyone? Nice Sabre, I'll take it?
SunglassesInSpace SPACE DUDES	Posted - 2008.07.18 09:41:00 - [88] Originally by: SunglassesInSpace KIAEddz you're just a big forums attention *****, man. You don't know what it's like up there man, you don't know what it's liiiiiiiiike!!!!! damn mods stealth editing my post
Saffronique Epic Hyena Props	Posted - 2008.07.18 13:08:00 - [89] Out of interest why is a pure guy mailing Eddz to post on the forum?
NerftheSmurf GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.18 17:40:00 - [90] bob has yet to take any dyspro moons so I'm not sure why people are so busy spouting numbers about them bob's taken a couple of promes and some crappier stuff, pretty impressive for a fleet that had 1k people in it the first day



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