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Biolaja Tista
Gallente
International House of PWNCakes
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:24:00 -
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http://www.crazykinux.com/2008/05/if-eve-online-were-first-person-shooter.html
http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
I'm at a loss for words...
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Biolaja Tista
http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
I'll be damned...that sounds almost cool! 
Personally, if we ever see combat in ambulation (which I doubt), I think it would be pod pilots commanding squads from afar. No way a pod pilot is going to pick up a gun and charge into battle regardless of cloning technology. That's what normal people are for.
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Benilopax
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:29:00 -
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Because?
I like the idea myself I could get all I want from gaming with one monthly subscription.
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Benilopax
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Biolaja Tista
http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
I'll be damned...that sounds almost cool!
Personally, if we ever see combat in ambulation (which I doubt), I think it would be pod pilots commanding squads from afar. No way a pod pilot is going to pick up a gun and charge into battle regardless of cloning technology. That's what normal people are for.
Perhaps you can use those extra sots we have for market alts to have special combat avatars?
Call it your bodyguard.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Benilopax
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Biolaja Tista
http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
I'll be damned...that sounds almost cool!
Personally, if we ever see combat in ambulation (which I doubt), I think it would be pod pilots commanding squads from afar. No way a pod pilot is going to pick up a gun and charge into battle regardless of cloning technology. That's what normal people are for.
Perhaps you can use those extra sots we have for market alts to have special combat avatars?
Call it your bodyguard.
Too metagamey for me to be comfortable with, to be honest.
I dunno..I mean, pod pilots are supposed to be gods among men, transhuman. That just doesn't seem to jive with the idea of them hopping out of their 5000-man battleship they command with their mind into a jump suit and rocket-jumping across a station. 
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Benilopax
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Biolaja Tista
http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
I'll be damned...that sounds almost cool!
Personally, if we ever see combat in ambulation (which I doubt), I think it would be pod pilots commanding squads from afar. No way a pod pilot is going to pick up a gun and charge into battle regardless of cloning technology. That's what normal people are for.
Perhaps you can use those extra sots we have for market alts to have special combat avatars?
Call it your bodyguard.
Too metagamey for me to be comfortable with, to be honest.
I dunno..I mean, pod pilots are supposed to be gods among men, transhuman. That just doesn't seem to jive with the idea of them hopping out of their 5000-man battleship they command with their mind into a jump suit and rocket-jumping across a station.
hell im a slightly insane homicidal maniac while piloting my manticore, why wouldn't i be while walking around a station 
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.
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Hoban Gallifrey
New Eden University
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:40:00 -
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Too metagamey for me to be comfortable with, to be honest.
I dunno..I mean, pod pilots are supposed to be gods among men, transhuman. That just doesn't seem to jive with the idea of them hopping out of their 5000-man battleship they command with their mind into a jump suit and rocket-jumping across a station.
Well its one or the other, pod pilots TF2ing or separate characters, besides why not just say they all get new implants that record brain activity. Then clones are fine. I personally like the idea of the godlike pod pilots leading men into battle.
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Siberys
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:41:00 -
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I have an idea to make EVE an all-in-one game.
We give everyone a sort of personal teleporter that teleports you to a med bay or your ship if injured, and then we could have third-person (AKA GoW/mass effect/Too human style) combat. Would make coming into lowsec systems to terrorise carebears fun. Then we also wouldn't need any other game in our lives.
:)
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:42:00 -
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with eve's lag, FPS (which is all about skill), would be unplayable.
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Benilopax
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria
with eve's lag, FPS (which is all about skill), would be unplayable.
Please remember all ambulation will take place on a new server, probably a prototype for the next mmo from CCP, which will probably be something to do with vampires.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
hell im a slightly insane homicidal maniac while piloting my manticore, why wouldn't i be while walking around a station
Dude, you're immortal! You earn more money from a single frigate bounty than the average denizen of EVE makes in a month! Each level four mission you run ends the lives of 20-30000 souls! I wouldn't be willing to shit using the traditional method, nevermind pick up a gun and go shoot at mercenaries whose salary is less then the cost of a T2 micro smartbomb.
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Trojanman190
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:44:00 -
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But but but... this is a game about spaceships...
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Benilopax
Originally by: Viqtoria
with eve's lag, FPS (which is all about skill), would be unplayable.
Please remember all ambulation will take place on a new server, probably a prototype for the next mmo from CCP, which will probably be something to do with vampires.
Planetvania: The Blood Raider Chronicles.
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Yatta I
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:49:00 -
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BARFIGHTS PLEASE!
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hey whiner, can i has your stuffs?
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Siberys
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Siberys on 22/07/2008 17:55:02
Originally by: Yatta I
BARFIGHTS PLEASE!
*breaks Quafe bottle over head*
Heck yes, barfights FTW.
Edit: forgot an S.
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Eran Laude
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Yatta I
BARFIGHTS PLEASE!
Broken Gin Bottle wrecks for 9000 damage!
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.07.22 18:05:00 -
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Taking the time and resources to develop an FPS side game to Eve-Online would be an excellent use of said time and resources on CCP's part, as I can't think of a single thing that should take higher priority.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.07.22 18:05:00 -
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CCP t0rfiFrans has made it pretty clear that they don't want to do FPS stuff in ambulation.
The excuses have been... somewhat lame imo. To me, they don't sound like the real reason they won't be doing it. I think they decided right off the bat that There Shall Be NO Pew-Pew In MY Eve Ambulation and just came up with the "spoon in the eye" and "oh noes! clone problems!" stuff as their public out.
Fine. Whatever.
Only problem I have with that is it seems somewhat anti-Eve in theme. I can go set up my Lipo-suction Leather Chaps Boutique and make the Phat ISKs while doing it and... what's my risk?
I know. Traders do it now. Scammers do it now. Sit in their stations making isk without a care in the MMO.
Doesn't make it "Eve right" though. 
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.22 18:40:00 -
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For the record, you can do things like hit and/or slap people, you just can't significantly injure them per se.
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Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:05:06
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:04:51
Originally by: Roy Batty68
The excuses have been... somewhat lame imo.
Not really, think of it in terms of prime fiction, and look at it in perspective, even with triple the subscription rates.
Let's say we come to the day where there are 5 million people on the server.
5 million capsuleers
Each inhabited planet in Eve has over 500 million people, and there are over 5,000 solar systems that are inhabited. Let's go with High capsuleer numbers, to low population. So let's assume only one planet on each solar system is sparesly populated.
You have then, say five million capsuleers, for a population of 2,500,000,000,000 (that's 2.5 trillion people inhabiting the eve cluster) - so that would make for 0.00019999999999999998% of the population being capsuleers.
To put this in perspective, the 8,000 isk you started as a newbie was the remainder of a 10,000 isk family fortune inheritance that was enough to put you through school, and get you a basic frigate.
To say that capsuleers are Gods among men would be an understatement. We can buy and sell scores of mercenaries with the equivalent price of two capacitor boosters. Why in the world would we stoop so low to want to carry a gun and go shooting people in the face? The poorest of us can make any station manager tremble in fear of making us unhappy and having to report to his superiors that a capsuleer was unhappy with his service.
Even low-sec stations would consider being visited by a capsuleer enough to kick everyone out of the bar and put more security than God around to make sure that their capsuleer doesn't get their boots dirty. On the off chance that you decided to tip them 3,000 isk.
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Al Ugilac
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista
http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
This sounds terrible.
If you want an FPS you play TF2/COD/whatever, if you want an internet spaceship game you play EVE. If CCP do implement anything like that maybe they should just start letting people become Amarr Mages and Minmatar Hunters, or turn sov warfare into a RTS, at the same time...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:06:00 -
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Quote:
In the future I fully expect AvA combat to become and integral part of the EVE experience and hereÆs some ideas for what it might be like.
It's only safe from the flames because it is not a post on EVE-O.
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:05:06
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:04:51
Originally by: Roy Batty68
The excuses have been... somewhat lame imo.
Not really, think of it in terms of prime fiction, and look at it in perspective, even with triple the subscription rates.
Let's say we come to the day where there are 5 million people on the server.
5 million capsuleers
Each inhabited planet in Eve has over 500 million people, and there are over 5,000 solar systems that are inhabited. Let's go with High capsuleer numbers, to low population. So let's assume only one planet on each solar system is sparesly populated.
You have then, say five million capsuleers, for a population of 2,500,000,000,000 (that's 2.5 trillion people inhabiting the eve cluster) - so that would make for 0.00019999999999999998% of the population being capsuleers.
To put this in perspective, the 8,000 isk you started as a newbie was the remainder of a 10,000 isk family fortune inheritance that was enough to put you through school, and get you a basic frigate.
To say that capsuleers are Gods among men would be an understatement. We can buy and sell scores of mercenaries with the equivalent price of two capacitor boosters. Why in the world would we stoop so low to want to carry a gun and go shooting people in the face? The poorest of us can make any station manager tremble in fear of making us unhappy and having to report to his superiors that a capsuleer was unhappy with his service.
Even low-sec stations would consider being visited by a capsuleer enough to kick everyone out of the bar and put more security than God around to make sure that their capsuleer doesn't get their boots dirty. On the off chance that you decided to tip them 3,000 isk.
I like this post
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:05:06
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:04:51
Originally by: Roy Batty68
The excuses have been... somewhat lame imo.
Not really, think of it in terms of prime fiction, and look at it in perspective, even with triple the subscription rates.
Let's say we come to the day where there are 5 million people on the server.
5 million capsuleers
Each inhabited planet in Eve has over 500 million people, and there are over 5,000 solar systems that are inhabited. Let's go with High capsuleer numbers, to low population. So let's assume only one planet on each solar system is sparesly populated.
You have then, say five million capsuleers, for a population of 2,500,000,000,000 (that's 2.5 trillion people inhabiting the eve cluster) - so that would make for 0.00019999999999999998% of the population being capsuleers.
To put this in perspective, the 8,000 isk you started as a newbie was the remainder of a 10,000 isk family fortune inheritance that was enough to put you through school, and get you a basic frigate.
To say that capsuleers are Gods among men would be an understatement. We can buy and sell scores of mercenaries with the equivalent price of two capacitor boosters. Why in the world would we stoop so low to want to carry a gun and go shooting people in the face? The poorest of us can make any station manager tremble in fear of making us unhappy and having to report to his superiors that a capsuleer was unhappy with his service.
Even low-sec stations would consider being visited by a capsuleer enough to kick everyone out of the bar and put more security than God around to make sure that their capsuleer doesn't get their boots dirty. On the off chance that you decided to tip them 3,000 isk.
Are you my alt or something? 
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Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Are you my alt or something?
::Swoons::
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Dkorg
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:53:00 -
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CCP is already on the record saying no combat in Ambulation.
Plus if you leave the pod you can't clone.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:05:06
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:04:51
Originally by: Roy Batty68
The excuses have been... somewhat lame imo.
Not really, think of it in terms of prime fiction
Fiction being the operative word.
And you can mold that any which way you like. For example,
"You are hardwired into your pod, so forget about actually getting out of it. What you see as yourself walking around a station is just a representation of you. A hologram. Another clone. An automaton of some sort. Doesn't really matter. Skill loss problem solved. Death by spoon solved". Yadda yadda.
Doesn't matter why? Because it's fiction.
So it sounds a bit cheesey to me to justify the why nots with anything to do with the prime fiction. If they don't want to do it because it doesn't suit Eve, that's fine. Say it as such.
But that wasn't even my main point. My main concern was yet another riskless isk earner.
And if you really want to go down the "I'm a friggen demi-god" route why is it you are impervious to us other demi-gods just because you are hanging out in your Shiney Plastic Pants shop in the Jita 4-4 lingerie department?
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Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
My main concern was yet another riskless isk earner.
Won't really earn any more than the current breed of station traders. Same thing, different venue. I, for one, look forward to meeting my opponent in a bar and having a recap of our latest battle over tea and scones. Who says we can't be civilized while we murder each other in our spaceships?
Quote:
And if you really want to go down the "I'm a friggen demi-god" route why is it you are impervious to us other demi-gods just because you are hanging out in your Shiney Plastic Pants shop in the Jita 4-4 lingerie department?
A few reasons, really
1) What's the point, you'll just wake up in the clone bay and "respawn", which would be more like WOW. You get shot, you respawn, rinse, repeat. And you can be sure that someone will think it's funny to camp the spawn points and "shot people in the head for the lawls" because they can.
2) It's messy. Nobody likes their lingerie all bloodied up.
3) Again, what's the point? It's either realistic, at which point you can kill someone with a single shot of a pistol, or we bring up overwrought game mechanics and turn it into mechwarrior VII - station wars.
4) Ambulation is there mostly as a social and environmental tool, and the devs have said that it doesn't really suit with the environment of Eve to have station combat. The justifications with the prime fiction are there to ease the restrictions with the heavy RPers, but the "We don't think it suits eve, so we aren't putting it in" has been uttered.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
Infinite Covenant
Lords of the Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:05:06
Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:04:51
Originally by: Roy Batty68
The excuses have been... somewhat lame imo.
Not really, think of it in terms of prime fiction, and look at it in perspective, even with triple the subscription rates.
Let's say we come to the day where there are 5 million people on the server.
5 million capsuleers
Each inhabited planet in Eve has over 500 million people, and there are over 5,000 solar systems that are inhabited. Let's go with High capsuleer numbers, to low population. So let's assume only one planet on each solar system is sparesly populated.
You have then, say five million capsuleers, for a population of 2,500,000,000,000 (that's 2.5 trillion people inhabiting the eve cluster) - so that would make for 0.00019999999999999998% of the population being capsuleers.
To put this in perspective, the 8,000 isk you started as a newbie was the remainder of a 10,000 isk family fortune inheritance that was enough to put you through school, and get you a basic frigate.
To say that capsuleers are Gods among men would be an understatement. We can buy and sell scores of mercenaries with the equivalent price of two capacitor boosters. Why in the world would we stoop so low to want to carry a gun and go shooting people in the face? The poorest of us can make any station manager tremble in fear of making us unhappy and having to report to his superiors that a capsuleer was unhappy with his service.
Even low-sec stations would consider being visited by a capsuleer enough to kick everyone out of the bar and put more security than God around to make sure that their capsuleer doesn't get their boots dirty. On the off chance that you decided to tip them 3,000 isk.
This quote is brilliant 
(I feel all special now )
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
Originally by: Roy Batty68
My main concern was yet another riskless isk earner.
Won't really earn any more than the current breed of station traders. Same thing, different venue. I, for one, look forward to meeting my opponent in a bar and having a recap of our latest battle over tea and scones. Who says we can't be civilized while we murder each other in our spaceships?
I refer you to my first post
Originally by: Roy Batty68
I know. Traders do it now. Scammers do it now. Sit in their stations making isk without a care in the MMO.
Doesn't make it "Eve right" though.
And I'm not buying into the, "well there's already this kind of crappy stuff going so let's throw more of it in" line of reasoning. Not just so we can have tea and scones with our nemesis and have our virtual eyebrows plucked. Hell, if anything Ambulation could have been a way to get to those people who previously lived solely in stations, always untouchable.
But they aren't going that route. They're apparently making more of the same kind of lame riskless stuff. Which flies more in the face of what the Eve theme has always been. Far more so than what some ignominious end to the "Great and Powerful" pod pilot might insult the established fiction.
Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
but the "We don't think it suits eve, so we aren't putting it in" has been uttered.
Link?
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