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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.08.16 13:17:00 -
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I hope they're really creative with station environments in Ambulation. I want to be able to step off the catwalk to my ship, and float around it in zero-G.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.16 14:10:00 -
[92]
So... We can expect demands for supporting Zero-G Cybering?...
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Saoudra Meezo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.16 14:16:00 -
[93]
Planet side, eh. Remember this?
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.16 15:41:00 -
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Normally I would go for 'the more options for playing the better', but in this case I see to many problems.
First off people forget that there are SO MANY MORE 'normal' people in the EVE Universe then us pilots. We are heavely outnumbered. What makes us players special is our 'incredible skills' at piloting ships. Stations can harbor complete army¦s, so there is absolutly no reason for us to get involved in space station fights.
Second space station fights would only make sense if it's about taking over an entire system, not for your average 'pilot skirmish'.
Third, even if there would be a mayor Station assault, we are NOT the ground forces. You don¦t give your F-16 pilot an M16 and send him into the field 'to have fun'.
Forth I can forsee some groups of people want to 'station gank', and that makes, like said before, no sense whatsoever because there will be 4.500 security guards around, so any pilot going beserk would be dealt with quickly. And you don't want to get involved in the first place as a pilot because it would mean perma death.
Fifth, if AvA would be allowed and stations get perma ganked, people will stay in their ships, and that would surely be the end of ambulation and what it was ment for.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.16 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista http://www.crazykinux.com/2008/05/if-eve-online-were-first-person-shooter.html http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
I'm at a loss for words...
Now this is what I'm talking about! And this is only stations...can't wait to see some ideas for what we can do planetside. For all of those who are poo-pooing Ambulation, read it and weep. |
J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.16 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Taking the time and resources to develop an FPS side game to Eve-Online would be an excellent use of said time and resources on CCP's part, as I can't think of a single thing that should take higher priority.
I swear, some people think it's their God ordained duty to whine about any and every suggestion for the future of Eve. It's a good thing the player base ultimately has no final say in what does and doesn't get implemented.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.16 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle Why are we commenting on someones imagination?
Because there is another group besides the whiners on these forums? They're the ones who like to use their imaginations and conceive of what the future of Eve might/could look like.
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Trathen
Minmatar SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.16 18:37:00 -
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Oh yay, then we could have a separate forum for everyone to whine about AvA "balance issues" and how AvA is a waste of time because its (not as rewarding as ship vs ship combat / boring / rail guns are too overpowered zomg / Unreal Tournament is way better and I can AFK mine while playing it).
No, this is an excellent opportunity for CCP to be creative and all sorts of minigames / things to play with. I imagine "You just lost a Vaga? I just lost 1 bil on a poker hand!" would tie in a little bit better than some FPS as well--it makes more sense that pod pilots would, as in the case for station trading, use their time out of their pods to play with the vast amounts of money that no civilian would ever hope to have. _ |
libertarian cole
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Posted - 2008.08.17 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:05:06 Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:04:51
Originally by: Roy Batty68 The excuses have been... somewhat lame imo.
Not really, think of it in terms of prime fiction, and look at it in perspective, even with triple the subscription rates.
Let's say we come to the day where there are 5 million people on the server.
5 million capsuleers
Each inhabited planet in Eve has over 500 million people, and there are over 5,000 solar systems that are inhabited. Let's go with High capsuleer numbers, to low population. So let's assume only one planet on each solar system is sparesly populated.
You have then, say five million capsuleers, for a population of 2,500,000,000,000 (that's 2.5 trillion people inhabiting the eve cluster) - so that would make for 0.00019999999999999998% of the population being capsuleers.
To put this in perspective, the 8,000 isk you started as a newbie was the remainder of a 10,000 isk family fortune inheritance that was enough to put you through school, and get you a basic frigate.
To say that capsuleers are Gods among men would be an understatement. We can buy and sell scores of mercenaries with the equivalent price of two capacitor boosters. Why in the world would we stoop so low to want to carry a gun and go shooting people in the face? The poorest of us can make any station manager tremble in fear of making us unhappy and having to report to his superiors that a capsuleer was unhappy with his service.
Even low-sec stations would consider being visited by a capsuleer enough to kick everyone out of the bar and put more security than God around to make sure that their capsuleer doesn't get their boots dirty. On the off chance that you decided to tip them 3,000 isk.
I knew i was more then a normal human being after i made my first jita purchase of 1000 exotic dancers.
And if i cant use these Exotic Dancers in some awesome way when ambulation comes out then I will kill all of the 2000 tourists i collected.
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Securitas Protector
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.17 07:20:00 -
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I don't support this idea, really. It would be fun, but wouldn't make sense even with clones-besides, it would ruin the "space feel." I mean, you have more of a chance pulling up in your Apocalypse battleship and razing the station with your Megapulses than you do on foot against (assumed) station auto-defenses. Or fly around inside the vast station in a frigate and shoot rockets at things. I mean, combat in person has been done so many times. It would be nice to maybe be able to attack specific sections of a station with a ship, or do chance-based boarding action, but not actual WASD or point and click AvA shooting.
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4rc4ng3L
Gallente C R Y O
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Posted - 2008.08.17 11:37:00 -
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Most of the people posting annoy me. This whole ambulation is optional. So if you dont like it, you dont need to play it. Whats the point in saying you dont think it should be implemented. If the problem is that you cant run it, then bite the bullet and upgrade your system. You not being able to take part, doesnt mean that no one else should.
Ambulation can only help to expend eve and make it a far most rich, enjoyable playing experience.
....i'm vexed, terribly vexed!
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.17 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Biolaja Tista http://www.crazykinux.com/2008/05/if-eve-online-were-first-person-shooter.html http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
I'm at a loss for words...
SO your posting nothing from CCP about CCP's game? 1st link was to do what,read some nub's idea that somehow gears of war is what EVE:ambulation:FPS should be? Gears of war wasn't even a proper fps game. It was "fps" for those that can't handle fps. If ccp went with such a clumsy and limited system then it would be DOA.
2nd link,wtf was that about? Some guy basically talking about putting an fps into eve. Just add Planetside,update,upgrade and slide it into eve. www.planetside.com, just think if they were to just add in station enviroments instead of a land based mmo-fps. The article was nothing more then obvious stuff so not sure why anyone would be drooling over what he said.
As for taking a station, how many people would be needed to honestly take it? If you thought 100 v 100 fleet fight was big , you'd need a lot bigger to take a player owned station, considering the cost i would hope so.
as for fixing the cloning after death outside the pod, how bout just saying ," we made t2 clones,lol!" problem solved. SOny did that with planetside, basically if you die we make a new clone for you and off you go. Its not as though ccp needs to actually come up with the science behind it all.
respawn ships, sounds like spaceborn AMSes to me. At worst the cloning ship from BSG.
As for player operated stations, if you got the isk to make one, you have the isk to hire a garrison for it. So would that be a lot of NPCs running around or would it be purely 100% player run defenses?
If ccp were to make an fps within eve they need to make it high quality. Basically it needs to be able to stand on its own as an fps game. If they go with some crap like gears of war, no one is going to want to play it for long, at least not real fps players. It would have to be high quality,large and real support for it. If they don't look at it as a stand alo ne product then its not going to live up to its potential.
Oh and imagine vehicles in stations. It wouldn't be unlikely due to their size. Also if your going to defend the bays you want something with some real punch to knock out any ships that make their way into the station. i hate to mention halo but i think it was part 3 that had you defending the docking bay, that would be a joke as far as scale if ccp did this right, if they do it at all. Im betting it will be more rpgish.
basically ccp would need to attract not just chicks with ambu but also fpsers willing to sub to a game. So its gotta blow everything away and i really dont see ccp doing that without outside help. it would have to be a joint venture. im not going to go drooling about the thought till i hear ccp say something instead of some random kicking around ideas. If so then id be fapping to thoughts i could come up with.
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TimMc
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.08.17 12:56:00 -
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Sounds shit.
If CCP did do it, which they probably won't, it would be similar to something like KOTOR or Mass Effect - not UT or Battlefield you ****.
Anyway, why would a demi-god be fighting when he probably leads thousands of grunts?
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.08.17 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Securitas Protector I don't support this idea, really. It would be fun, but wouldn't make sense even with clones-besides, it would ruin the "space feel." I mean, you have more of a chance pulling up in your Apocalypse battleship and razing the station with your Megapulses than you do on foot against (assumed) station auto-defenses. Or fly around inside the vast station in a frigate and shoot rockets at things. I mean, combat in person has been done so many times. It would be nice to maybe be able to attack specific sections of a station with a ship, or do chance-based boarding action, but not actual WASD or point and click AvA shooting.
Gotta disagree 100% with that idea. Your seeing eve as just a "Space" game as opposed to a peice of "sci-fi". Sure theres gotta be automated defenses but whats the first thing someone would do? Probably bust out a rocket launcher and knock it out, assuming the landing craft didn't do so already. Also do you think everyone in that station is flying around in a frigate? Think the vital areas are really going to be accessible to a frig or even a noobship?
You gotta look at the Deathstar, that was a station and the ships didn't get much access. At most they could knock out the entries to the hangar, the "control tower" for that specific hangar which isnt likely to be the primary in the first place.
A station would be sort of like an aircraft carrier or even a Battlestar. You can only get your ships in so far. if your the attacker that might be great to sit there and unload all day if your not planning on taking the station. You would be open to a defending ship coming in and clearing you out. now if you want to get inside grunts would do well since a defending ship isnt going to risk serious damage to his own station for something defending softies can clear out.
if your not into it then just dont do it if it ever comes out. I dont think ccp is going to listen to people saying "no don't try and capture additional $$$$s from another group of gamers because i dont like it!". CCp isnt going to leave eve alone while working on ambulation, that would be suicidal for them.
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Treenara Mazouk
Phoenix Propulsion Labs Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2008.08.17 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Treenara Mazouk on 17/08/2008 15:09:27
Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Biolaja Tista http://www.crazykinux.com/2008/05/if-eve-online-were-first-person-shooter.html http://keithneilson.co.uk/the-possibility-of-ava-in-eve/
I'm at a loss for words...
SO your posting nothing from CCP about CCP's game? 1st link was to do what,read some nub's idea that somehow gears of war is what EVE:ambulation:FPS should be? Gears of war wasn't even a proper fps game. It was "fps" for those that can't handle fps. If ccp went with such a clumsy and limited system then it would be DOA.
If you actually took the time to read the "nub" article, you would have noticed that that I never mention Ambulation; at all! When I say "what EVE Online might look like if an FPS were designed around it", I hope you notice that I didn't use "designed in it". I was referring to a separate game, an FPS that would make use of the EVE lore. Nothing more. That still something CCP could think of releasing sometime in the future. But I'm not CCP.
I'd appreciate that you refrain from making irrelevant accusation, based on something you did not read.
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manasi
Caldari Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.08.22 15:16:00 -
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Lol Treenara you wanted Logic? in the EvE Forums , haha, seriously though I have given it some thought and I think that that style you mentioned, Gears of War Etc would indeed be interesting to see. One thing I would truly like would be the ability to hop out of your pod, go planet side, kick the hell out of some nasty ole pirate, then hop in your ship only to have him /his gang follow you in space and fight you there. That would lend an air of immersiveness (yes a made up word) indeed, it would allow room for the FPS folks as well as those that just want ships, and allow for some social interactions at meeting spots(per se). Personally, I would probably NEVER EVER do the FPS side, but if I wanted to try it, it would be there, which I find enticing.
Cool idea
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Ilya Murametz
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.22 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dkorg CCP is already on the record saying no combat in Ambulation.
Plus if you leave the pod you can't clone.
See thats the general impression since the beginning, yet in eve novel in like chapter 6-8 a capsuleer tells a regular person "i am immortal, you'll never see this same face again, keep the ear piece ill contact you in a min" btw those are not direct quotes im at work with no book. Then the capsuleer runs and jumnps into melted steel or something and clones ....so uhmm wtf
Granted i fell asleep after that chapter so it might be explained later on but seems shady so far...
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Treenara Mazouk
Phoenix Propulsion Labs Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2008.08.22 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ilya Murametz
Originally by: Dkorg CCP is already on the record saying no combat in Ambulation.
Plus if you leave the pod you can't clone.
See thats the general impression since the beginning, yet in eve novel in like chapter 6-8 a capsuleer tells a regular person "i am immortal, you'll never see this same face again, keep the ear piece ill contact you in a min" btw those are not direct quotes im at work with no book. Then the capsuleer runs and jumnps into melted steel or something and clones ....so uhmm wtf
Granted i fell asleep after that chapter so it might be explained later on but seems shady so far...
I'd assume that logically you'd need to be connected to some communication devices for a clone to be properly activated. Otherwise you'd loose part of your memory. I'm no where there in the book, but maybe that's just it. Maybe there is a partial loss.
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Saoudra Meezo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.28 17:50:00 -
[109]
**bumpy**
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.28 19:25:00 -
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I could see capsuleers piloting mechs and/or tanks, but running around with guns, circle-strafing and shooting at each other? Hell, no. It wouldn't fit, plus any characters that die outside their pods should be wiped, since they can't be mind-transferred to their clone at the moment just before death.
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Saoudra Meezo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann I could see capsuleers piloting mechs and/or tanks, but running around with guns, circle-strafing and shooting at each other? Hell, no. It wouldn't fit, plus any characters that die outside their pods should be wiped, since they can't be mind-transferred to their clone at the moment just before death.
Unless folks are willing to loose a few SP for the fun of running around with guns blazing. Nah, you're right. It wouldn't be that fun. As for the mechas... though that would be interesting, I just don't see the fit within the EVE universe.
A Heavy Gear MMO, maybe.
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Treenara Mazouk
Phoenix Propulsion Labs Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2008.10.12 15:38:00 -
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Bumpaty bump!
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:06:00 -
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Since its brought back from the dead I want to make a few reminders to you folks.
If there is going to be avatar on avatar combat its most likely not going to be FPS but more of a tatical Shooter instead. Remember eve is all about less twiching and more thinking when it comes to combat so it would most likely be along the lines of something similar to possibly mass effect at the fastest pace possible.
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Stunna Shade
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Posted - 2008.10.12 17:33:00 -
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Il rock you all with my pr0 CS SKillz.
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Millur
Minmatar Nifelhem
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: libertarian cole I knew i was more then a normal human being after i made my first jita purchase of 1000 exotic dancers.
And if i cant use these Exotic Dancers in some awesome way when ambulation comes out then I will kill all of the 2000 tourists i collected.
Haha nice... you little terrorist
Quote: How can you kill that which has no life?
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Hczer
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Posted - 2008.10.12 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Hczer on 12/10/2008 19:51:15
Originally by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:05:06 Edited by: Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe on 22/07/2008 19:04:51
Originally by: Roy Batty68 The excuses have been... somewhat lame imo.
Not really, think of it in terms of prime fiction, and look at it in perspective, even with triple the subscription rates.
Let's say we come to the day where there are 5 million people on the server.
5 million capsuleers
Each inhabited planet in Eve has over 500 million people, and there are over 5,000 solar systems that are inhabited. Let's go with High capsuleer numbers, to low population. So let's assume only one planet on each solar system is sparesly populated.
You have then, say five million capsuleers, for a population of 2,500,000,000,000 (that's 2.5 trillion people inhabiting the eve cluster) - so that would make for 0.00019999999999999998% of the population being capsuleers.
To put this in perspective, the 8,000 isk you started as a newbie was the remainder of a 10,000 isk family fortune inheritance that was enough to put you through school, and get you a basic frigate.
To say that capsuleers are Gods among men would be an understatement. We can buy and sell scores of mercenaries with the equivalent price of two capacitor boosters. Why in the world would we stoop so low to want to carry a gun and go shooting people in the face? The poorest of us can make any station manager tremble in fear of making us unhappy and having to report to his superiors that a capsuleer was unhappy with his service.
Even low-sec stations would consider being visited by a capsuleer enough to kick everyone out of the bar and put more security than God around to make sure that their capsuleer doesn't get their boots dirty. On the off chance that you decided to tip them 3,000 isk.
In the short news before the Empyrean Age update they mentioned something like "losses are counted to trillions" (cant remember exactly), so there's more than 2.5 trillion people around. I guess we're even less than 0.00019999999999999998% And remember that in EVE no one really lives in planets.
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Arelius Sarum
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.12 20:03:00 -
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LOL
Counter Strike + EVE = Win Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2008.10.12 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Arvald hell im a slightly insane homicidal maniac while piloting my manticore, why wouldn't i be while walking around a station
Dude, you're immortal! You earn more money from a single frigate bounty than the average denizen of EVE makes in a month! Each level four mission you run ends the lives of 20-30000 souls! I wouldn't be willing to shit using the traditional method, nevermind pick up a gun and go shoot at mercenaries whose salary is less then the cost of a T2 micro smartbomb.
a news article lately mentioned that 10k isk was a life savings for a family. an isk is a fair bit of coin for an average *******.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.12 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Since its brought back from the dead I want to make a few reminders to you folks.
If there is going to be avatar on avatar combat its most likely not going to be FPS but more of a tatical Shooter instead. Remember eve is all about less twiching and more thinking when it comes to combat so it would most likely be along the lines of something similar to possibly mass effect at the fastest pace possible.
In my dreams they make it like an MMO version of System Shock but with fancy graphics. tbh they can justas easily ringfence the pod pilot ambulation into nothing more than they've already announced, give us all a 4th alt slot for a groundside "sidekick" (with a completely different skilltree) who operates in a more or less fully spaceship-free environment and let us shotgun/chainsaw/kill-O-zap ray each other with those.
Those are the good dreams...
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Joss Sparq
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Joss Sparq on 13/10/2008 00:10:29
Ugh. AvA combat in EVE? If I wanted AvA in a sci-fi MMO I'd be playing Anarchy Online or Tabula Rasa, etc. In my opinion, Ambulation is a waste of resources better spent fixing numerous current problems but if they manage to pull it off well enough (which CCP look like they just might) it may be a mildly interesting and amusing distraction to partake of now and again so I don't hold too much ill will toward sit.
But AvA combat? **** that shit right off, I thought I was playing Internet Spaceships, not being some thug packing heat in the Second Life of Tomorrow.
EDIT: I know it isn't likely (at all) to happen in Ambulation, I'm just very opposed to the idea, myself. I'd rather see EVE do one thing well (the current gameplay style) than risk it becoming some awful Jack of all trades, master of none. I love EVE and the idea of Something Terrible being done to it makes my skin crawl, heh.
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