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Achura Model	Posted - 2008.07.26 08:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 08:35:39 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 08:33:54 Yes, I see you carebear suckers have already started your sucking carnival. But abate your gloat, it's kinda premature. Nerfing speed has some balance issues which I guess developers won't be able to solve. First. Missiles. They will obviously become an ultimate weapon. No tracking problems, steady damage, less SP to learn and now no speed penalties. Eventually developers will have to nerf them too. And it's too much of everything. Second. No solo flying in 0.0 and therefore no solo pvp. Yes, solo pvp is almost dead in EVE, but almost doesn't mean completely. Some pilots still can kill solo and like to do it. But you need to fly 3.5 km/s at least to be able to go through bubble gate camps. Without speed you're as good as dead. Third. The whole HAC class will be broken (well, perhaps aside from Cerberus and other anti-support snipers). The only advantage of HAC before BC and BS is a speed. Why would anyone fly a ship which has sucky tank, DPS and can't fly fast enough to compensate its weakness'? So yes my dear whiners, you may dance your stupid jig and shout your idiot "yeeeeeeeah" but in the end everything will stay pretty much untouched.
Randomness16	Posted - 2008.07.26 08:38:00 - [2] Do you really going to think the next dev blog will be 'o yea we completely forgot a tiny percentage of the game will be affected by the changes - therefore we completely rescind our earlier dev blog etc. etc.' Do you really think they didn't think of the effects before making the blog??? PS> Your nan-fan tears sustain me.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.07.26 08:41:00 - [3] Not one of those things is going to be affected by the changes...solo dying? lol I rarely see a fighting nanosoloer... Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Achura Model	Posted - 2008.07.26 08:48:00 - [4] So far so good. No arguments aside from "you are wrong because you are wrong".
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.26 08:50:00 - [5] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2008 08:51:45 Originally by: Achura Model So far so good. No arguments aside from "you are wrong because you are wrong". Seems stupid to argue before trying the new game mechanics. You and others will find out that Eve is still playable and the sky is still there. New ships will become popular. This happens every now and again in Eve. Its also excellent for keeping people glued to the game and do some cross training... --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.07.26 08:52:00 - [6] Barring torps, all other weapon systems do more damage than missiles so how will they beomce uber? You can certainly adapt and kill a few people soloing in 0.0. I've seen people take tanked Cs/BCs solo and get kills in 0.0. It won't be vagabond jumping thourgh 0.0 without a care in the world but you can certainly still roam. HACs will still be good. Ishtar can't solowtfpwn, but it can certain drop drones then get range (as it is intended) Eagle/Muninn/Zealot/Cerb can all snipe fine as intended, Sac is a close range HAC with the best HAC tank in the game so it is fine. Vaga will still be fast enough and the deimos was always a dumb ship so I don't see HACs beocming useless. Some ships will certainly take a hit and we will need to go back to the EFT drawing board and come up with new setups and probably throw more tank onto ships, but I find that to be fun and I love that EVE and its combat is always changing. We shall see what exactly will hit Tranq in the next month and I already can't wait. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Siddy Minmatar Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake	Posted - 2008.07.26 08:56:00 - [7] Edited by: Siddy on 26/07/2008 09:05:14 Vagabond will be still abel to brake 5km/s mark no sweat. Also, HACs BENEFIT from AB more than BC's. I say, this change bring deimos back to the game, Make vaga top of the foodchain, again, and put back the silly ishtar and sacrilige back to they plases. Second, For soloflying, Now tempest will be actualy able to Solo fly because: i will be able to dodge pulselaser at 5km orbit range EVEN webbed with AB, meaning i can Speedtank the Battleshis i wasent able due to 90% webbers before. Now BS speedtank VS BS buffertank will get a new meaning (altho i still think, buffertank is WIN ALL button) Futuremore, you are Achura, meaning you are pathetic alt troll and i cant realy figure any other reason top post here exept to ruin your trolling spree
Achura Model	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:15:00 - [8] Lol, I see alotta "true pvpers" here. Guys, have you ever been in 0.0? Flying Tempest solo... Welcome to Sindicat man, I bet you won't survivle there more than 5 minuets... Nobody would chose Ishtar before Dominix if it couldn't be nano. W/o nano Ishtar is just nothing... NACs will become another assault ships. Like people nowdays prefer cruisers before ASs, they will prefer BCs before HACs if nano be nerfed...
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Euriti on 26/07/2008 09:19:50 Originally by: Randomness16 Do you really going to think the next dev blog will be 'o yea we completely forgot a tiny percentage of the game will be affected by the changes - therefore we completely rescind our earlier dev blog etc. etc.' Ever been outside of The Forge/The Citadel? Ever been to 0.0? ****ing seems not. The whole "wait and test stuff" thing is utter bullshit since the uproar was caused by what looks to be the final nail in the small gang coffin. This cannot be "TESTED" on Sisi, you cannot mimmick the jumpbridges/titans/caps/hotdrops/blobs etc. on sisi. It's not TQ.
Siddy Minmatar Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Achura Model Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 09:18:36 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 09:18:05 Lol, I see alotta "true pvpers" here. Guys, have you ever been to 0.0? Flying Tempest solo... Welcome to Sindicat man, I bet you won't survivle there more than 5 minuets... Nobody would chose Ishtar before Dominix if it couldn't be nano. W/o nano Ishtar is just nothing... HACs will become another assault ships. Like people nowdays prefer cruisers before ASs, they will prefer BCs before HACs if nano be nerfed... Hes insultting my proud e-honour and legacy of most pawncause EVE pvp corps i've folown in. I demand Duel at the dawn! 10 phases, then we draw handbags!
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:27:00 - [11] Missiles: missiles are ment to hit, their drawback is their efficiency drops vs smaller targets with no reasonable way to compensate Bubbles: you have lower MWD speed but your webbed speed is much higher; we can also discuss that you should have chance to defend your territory vs intruders HAC: they do have good tank and good DPS for their size; they do have better active/RR tank than BCs due to resists and smaller sig; they will still retain the speed advantage as everyone's speed will drop If anything the changes half baked and do not solve the essential problems with speed while nerfing everyone. Try again.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:28:00 - [12] Edited by: goodby4u on 26/07/2008 09:40:43 Originally by: Achura Model Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 09:21:59 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 09:18:36 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 09:18:05 Lol, I see alotta "true pvpers" here. Guys, have you ever been to 0.0? Flying Tempest solo... Welcome to Sindicat man, I bet you won't survivle there more than 5 minuets with your "solo Tempest"... Nobody would chose Ishtar before Dominix if it couldn't be nano. W/o nano Ishtar is just nothing... HACs will become another assault ships. Like people nowdays prefer cruisers before ASs, they will prefer BCs before HACs if nano be nerfed... Yeah I mean everybody nanofitted their hacs(including the ishtar)from the beginning of time. Nvm found it.
TekGriffon	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:30:00 - [13] It'll get fixed because it's a broken mechanic, pure and simple. Imagine if Invulnerability fields didn't have stacking penalties. Everyone would spam invulnerability fields and the players who won would be the ones who stacked more of them or fitted more expensive ones. Seems ridiculous and stupid right? Completely deluded analogy, right? Actually, it's the EXACT same thing with nanos. The ONLY way to beat them is to join them - and that's not what Eve is about.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:34:00 - [14] Quote: First. Missiles. They will obviously become an ultimate weapon. No tracking problems, steady damage, less SP to learn When you start off by claiming that the missile skill tree is less SP-intensive than the gunnery ones, when the opposite is true, it's hard to take the rest of your comments seriously. HACs will retain their speed advantage over BCs/BS. They'll still be able to dictate range, and still be able to disengage at will.
forum mematar	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Achura Model Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 09:21:59 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 09:18:36 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 09:18:05 Lol, I see alotta "true pvpers" here. Guys, have you ever been to 0.0? Flying Tempest solo... Welcome to Sindicat man, I bet you won't survivle there more than 5 minuets with your "solo Tempest"... Nobody would chose Ishtar before Dominix if it couldn't be nano. W/o nano Ishtar is just nothing... HACs will become another assault ships. Like people nowdays prefer cruisers before ASs, they will prefer BCs before HACs if nano be nerfed... Yea, you are not a true pvp'r if you arent a 0.0 nano***got. Tempest sucks hence no one flies it but that doesnt belong here, you saying TRUU PIIVIIPII is only in 0.0? The blobfests you mean? --- http://stige.pingtimeout.net/evevids/
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:46:00 - [16] Read the devblog and I must say it is going to be some wide sweeping changes, some good some bad... Heres my two cents. Atm they are correct when they say the mwd is overused, whether its for nanoing or otherwise it is just plain overused because it can get you out of sticky situations, and nano boats are also overused as hit and run capability is very valuable within the medium gang community. So I like their warp scrambler idea, aswell as some of the speed nerfs but this is where it starts to get bad... They want to nerf mwds for every ship, this might be a problem for some ships(the deimos and vaga)as the deimos is already so so and the vaga relies on the mwd to live, not to mention ships such as the huginn and rapier. In short, yes I think nanoing should be nerfed but this is a kick to the nads for minmatar tbh.
Napro Caldari Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:51:00 - [17] If you want to solo, get a Recon ship. That's what they're made for
Wideen Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.26 09:51:00 - [18] paradigm change!!
Diehard Si UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.26 10:08:00 - [19] Edited by: Diehard Si on 26/07/2008 10:08:29 Basically they introduce this they kill off small scale PVP in 0.0, and probably lose a MASSIVE player base. May i remind everyone Jumpgate Evolution is on the horizon. If people can't have fun lag free PVP in this game, they will choose another one. SO you get a few of you to go off and kill the chinese isk farmers deep in 0.0 space, you jump in with 5 smartly fit remote rep battleships, bang bubble, cyno, titan, doomsday--- dead. Just not a viable option anymore. Too many titans in game now for that. Eve will prob collapse into Drakes everywhere, people get bored, stop playing, game over.
Kunming T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.07.26 10:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Diehard Si Edited by: Diehard Si on 26/07/2008 10:08:29 Basically they introduce this they kill off small scale PVP in 0.0, and probably lose a MASSIVE player base. May i remind everyone Jumpgate Evolution is on the horizon. If people can't have fun lag free PVP in this game, they will choose another one. SO you get a few of you to go off and kill the chinese isk farmers deep in 0.0 space, you jump in with 5 smartly fit remote rep battleships, bang bubble, cyno, titan, doomsday--- dead. Just not a viable option anymore. Too many titans in game now for that. Eve will prob collapse into Drakes everywhere, people get bored, stop playing, game over. Can I have your stuff? Oh and we are all pvp noobs, especially Siddy Seriously though, minmatar ships were the only ones meant to do hit and run and their DPS is adjusted accordingly, ishtars cruising around like a vagabond and doing BS class dmg is definetly a design bug and not a feature. CCP is fixing this. Also the change is good in the name of guerilla warfare, getting webbed meant game over so far, now you have a chance to move in and out of web range of a target or even use your transversal while orbiting to have an advantage over the target. Final note, get over it, nothing stays static in EVE and no one misses 5 DMG mod gank boats or dual MWD ravens today, adapt or gimme ur stuff Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Diehard Si Basically they introduce this they kill off small scale PVP in 0.0, and probably lose a MASSIVE player base. I think you seriously overestimate the number of people actually flying nano***gottery out of conviction rather than neccessity. If anyone quits because he now actually has to submit himself to danger of being caught when going out to pee into other peoples' sandboxes, all the better. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:18:00 - [22] Edited by: Gamesguy on 26/07/2008 11:18:46 Originally by: goodby4u Yeah I mean everybody nanofitted their hacs(including the ishtar)from the beginning of time. Nvm found it. Pre-nano hacs were often tanked yes, but they were just as often stabbed. And more importantly, tier 2 BCs didn't exist, and there was no HP buff. Hacs were great when they did more damage than all but one tier 1 BC(Brutix), but then again, AFs were usable back then as well.
nomlasmit Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:21:00 - [23] First it was the missile nerf Caldari got slaughtered, then the nano nerf Minmatar got slaughtered, then the NOS nerf Gallante got slaughtered, Amarr got buffed, now more speed changes and to top it off Web changes making both the rapier and Huginn completely useless and one of the most fun Hac's in game the Vagabond a waste of time. Without the speed the Vagabond is worthless... I predict huge blobs of missile spamming Cerbs/Drakes/Ravens/Falcons/Sacrelidges, noone will jump into gatecamps anymore as you will all die and noone will be able to fight outnumbered. Basically the options available for warfare have been severely reduced and the blob/lag wins. Nice job ccp
Xol'tan dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:25:00 - [24] So nano hacs will no longer be the alpha ship class and the squids will stop whining that there missiles suck.
Kelron Queldine Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:26:00 - [25] First. It's easier for guns to hit slower ships too. Clever. Second. As any self-respecting forum warrior will tell you, solo PvP is already dead. It doesn't exist, no one does it, don't look for it because it's not there. Or maybe you'll find that if you're not whizzing around at 10km/s, someone will actually bother trying to engage you and you might be able to hold a target down without flying out of scram range every other second. Third. Speed is not the same as speed mods. Most HACs are at least 50% faster than their BC counterparts, and that makes a lot of difference. If you think there's no reason to fly a HAC over a BC, I'm going to suggest you have never flown one or the other. Some of the HACs also fill more specialist roles not covered by the BCs, like the Zealot's optimal bonus or the Ishtar's heavy drones. Fourth. Did I just fall for a troll post?
Yar0 Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:55:00 - [26] TBH if this blog goes onto tranquility, I would stop playing and I guess many other players too. With those changes 0.0 blobs will become unavoidable, solo pvp will die.
Legranger Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:03:00 - [27] Originally by: nomlasmit First it was the missile nerf Caldari got slaughtered, then the nano nerf Minmatar got slaughtered, then the NOS nerf Gallante got slaughtered, Amarr got buffed, now more speed changes and to top it off Web changes making both the rapier and Huginn completely useless and one of the most fun Hac's in game the Vagabond a waste of time. Without the speed the Vagabond is worthless... I predict huge blobs of missile spamming Cerbs/Drakes/Ravens/Falcons/Sacrelidges, noone will jump into gatecamps anymore as you will all die and noone will be able to fight outnumbered. Basically the options available for warfare have been severely reduced and the blob/lag wins. Nice job ccp I guess PL will have to actually buy battleships now...
Achura Model	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:13:00 - [28] Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 12:15:12 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 12:14:45 Originally by: Kelron Queldine Second. As any self-respecting forum warrior will tell you, solo PvP is already dead. Hehe, yes. Forum warriors know everything. They have flew every single ship... in EFT!
Siddy Minmatar Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Achura Model Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 12:15:12 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 12:14:45 Originally by: Kelron Queldine Second. As any self-respecting forum warrior will tell you, solo PvP is already dead. Hehe, yes. Forum warriors know everything. They have flew every single ship... in EFT! Solo PVP is not dead, its just for the people who are masochist.
Diehard Si UK1 Zero G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:31:00 - [30] Edited by: Diehard Si on 26/07/2008 12:31:12 Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Achura Model Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 12:15:12 Edited by: Achura Model on 26/07/2008 12:14:45 Originally by: Kelron Queldine Second. As any self-respecting forum warrior will tell you, solo PvP is already dead. Hehe, yes. Forum warriors know everything. They have flew every single ship... in EFT! Solo PVP is not dead, its just for the people who are masochist. Look here Look down the right hand side of the page page showing solo kills this month. Solo PVP is NOT currently dead, but it soon probably will be

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