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Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.26 13:33:00 - [1] Aparently that's the ultimate sin in this community, and I've witnessed many people getting discriminated for not being what others expected them to be. Is there a real reason for this?
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.26 13:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/07/2008 13:47:44 Originally by: Machimpy Aparently that's the ultimate sin in the world today, and I've witnessed many people getting discriminated for not being what others expected them to be. Is there a real reason for this? Fixed that for you P.S. I do not exempt myself from this crowd I will let others do that for me Slade "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self"
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.26 13:48:00 - [3] Because dumb people are stupid! and your comment about "..for not being what others expected them to be.." is rather vague and mysterious.
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.26 13:59:00 - [4] Quote: Because dumb people are stupid! As much as I love stamp logic, Im curious to know where that leaves the stupid ones at.
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:03:00 - [5] If you want a game that treats you like a special kiddy no matter how much you screw up go play WoW or any one of the 40 WoW clones out. EVE is a game where bad things happen unlucky and/or idiots who would rather whine on the forums than adapt to a game.
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Lui Kai on 26/07/2008 14:06:01 Originally by: Machimpy Aparently that's the ultimate sin in this community, and I've witnessed many people getting discriminated for not being what others expected them to be. Is there a real reason for this? When someone chooses to live a completely sedentary life, stuffing food down their gullet as quickly as they can until they're unable to move or bathe unassisted - society as a whole considers that unhealthy (at best), and disgustingly lazy (More realistically). When someone shows the same sloth and lack of concern for their mind - do you believe they should be treated differently than the above? Edit: In truth, my gripe most often isn't with people who are only stupid. It's that stupidity often comes paired up with an entitled laziness that causes them to act as if their ignorance is my burden - that we should all use smaller words, explain things in more detail, and outright do things for them. Frankly, I don't feel that their weakness entitles them to a claim on my strength. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:05:00 - [7] Because dumb people are annoying when they think they're being clever. __________________________ Quote: ...bored, skint, no charter, and a ship that looks like an explosion in a girder factory...
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:07:00 - [8] Quote: If you want a game that treats you like a special kiddy no matter how much you screw up go play WoW or any one of the 40 WoW clones out. EVE is a game where bad things happen unlucky and/or idiots who would rather whine on the forums than adapt to a game. Is this about feeling proud to adapt?
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:10:00 - [9] People should be victimised for being stupid. and i'm not just talking about spelling mistakes or occasional ignorance here, i'm talking G.W Bush style mental incompetence. AKA Oxygen thieves.
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Machimpy Quote: If you want a game that treats you like a special kiddy no matter how much you screw up go play WoW or any one of the 40 WoW clones out. EVE is a game where bad things happen unlucky and/or idiots who would rather whine on the forums than adapt to a game. Is this about feeling proud to adapt? That and pitying those who can't, yes.

Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Machimpy on 26/07/2008 14:35:49 Edited by: Machimpy on 26/07/2008 14:34:12 Quote: When someone chooses to live a completely sedentary life, stuffing food down their gullet as quickly as they can until they're unable to move or bathe unassisted - society as a whole considers that unhealthy (at best), and disgustingly lazy (More realistically). When someone shows the same sloth and lack of concern for their mind - do you believe they should be treated differently than the above? Edit: In truth, my gripe most often isn't with people who are only stupid. It's that stupidity often comes paired up with an entitled laziness that causes them to act as if their ignorance is my burden - that we should all use smaller words, explain things in more detail, and outright do things for them. Frankly, I don't feel that their weakness entitles them to a claim on my strength. Quote: That and pitying those who can't, yes. You know there are people working with them (not for them) and it has to take a lot of guts to work with them and not make them feel undervalued. Because what you'd usually get from them in return is a grudge cycle. They're human beings afterall and quite capable of being proud about what they do if threatened, laughing at those who pity them and taking advantage of what society gives and gets disgusted at simultaneously.
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:41:00 - [12] Edited by: Lui Kai on 26/07/2008 14:42:18 Originally by: Machimpy You know there are people working with them (not for them) and it has to take a lot of guts to work with them and not make them feel undervalued. Because what you'd usually get from them in return is a grudge cycle. They're human beings afterall and quite capable of being proud about what they do too, laughing at those who pity them and taking advantage of what society gives and gets disgusted at simultaneously. From what you've said, I'm going to assume that you subscribe to the "Everyone is Inherently Valuable" fallacy. If this assumption is wrong, I apologize. I assume this because, most often, there is a similar response I hear most often from stupid people. Usually, it goes something like this: Stupid person: I don't understand. Why is n? Intelligent person: Go read x, it's explained there. Stupid person: Can't you just explain it to me? I don't understand x. Intelligent person: No. I'm not paid to teach. Stop being lazy and stupid. Stupid person: Screw you! I may be stupid, but I'm valuable because I'm a person! You should explain it to me! The above is exactly where I begin planning to build a device that will stab a person in the face via the internet. No-one - I reiterate here - NO-ONE is valuable by virtue of being born. Value is something you accomplish, through actions and effort. If someone is not willing to put in any effort, they have no value. The "They have worth as a person no matter what" school of thought ultimately means: If they're weaker than you, you should carry them until you're weak too. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:48:00 - [13] Quote: Stupid person: I don't understand. Why is n? Intelligent person: Go read x, it's explained there. Stupid person: Can't you just explain it to me? I don't understand x. Intelligent person: No. I'm not paid to teach. Stop being lazy and stupid. Stupid person: Screw you! I may be stupid, but I'm valuable because I'm a person! You should explain it to me! You've nailed it there, what would it really take for the intelligent person to ignore at the point when the stupid person says "Can't you just explain it to me? I don't understan x."?? After that, what the intelligent person says may well be a blatant abuse of power, totally uncalled for and, if I may call stupid...
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.26 15:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Machimpy You've nailed it there, what would it really take for the intelligent person to ignore at the point when the stupid person says "Can't you just explain it to me? I don't understan x."?? After that, what the intelligent person says may well be a blatant abuse of power, totally uncalled for and, if I may call it stupid or arrogant...? Because it's never just that conversation - Especially in an online environment. It's dozens, upon dozens, upon dozens. Eventually, the number of willfully lazy people trying to impose themselves upon the intelligent people are just going to get frustrating, annoying, and overwhelming. Even if it is only the single conversation - In the above example, the stupid person is asking a favor from the intelligent, often a very complex and time consuming favor. They're asking, usually from a total stranger, an explanation in small enough words & simple enough concepts that they can understand. An explanation that is usually already available for them to go and read on their own. By the same logic - if a physically able person were sitting at the table next to me in a restaurant, then turned to me and asked if I could spoon the soup into their mouth for them, I'm not likely to feel happy to help. The 80th person in the restaurant to ask me to do it for them as well is likely to get derided for their sloth - as is the 80th person in the example given above. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.26 15:30:00 - [15] Edited by: Machimpy on 26/07/2008 15:31:37 Quote: By the same logic - if a physically able person were sitting at the table next to me in a restaurant, then turned to me and asked if I could spoon the soup into their mouth for them, I'm not likely to feel happy to help. The 80th person in the restaurant to ask me to do it for them as well is likely to get derided for their sloth - as is the 80th person in the example given above. It's not like I haven't understood the logic, I don't see the need for explicity. However I see an awful lot of paying attention and reprimanding of stupid demands. Often on purpose from the intelligent party, zooing on stupid behaviour, and failing to realise that might as much of a dumb move. No matter how numerous they are, my point is, if it feeds from your energy so much then why should you let them get to you when that might be what they want? (who knows, would you at least bother asking them?) Surely doing the latter could serve as a test of intelligence and strength. Giving in to deriding even the 80th person comes as a sign of weakness and arrogance and I strongly tend to deride on that too. I personally love getting intelligent people angry, testing their intelligence as a fact.
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.26 15:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Machimpy It's not like I haven't understood the logic, I don't see the need for explicity. However I see an awful lot of paying attention and reprimanding of stupid demands. Often on purpose from the intelligent party, zooing on stupid behaviour, and failing to realise that might as much of a dumb move. No matter how numerous they are, my point is, if it feeds from your energy so much then why should you let them get to you when that's what they want? Surely doing the latter could serve as a test of intelligence and strength. Giving in to deriding even the 80th person comes as a sign of weakness and arrogance and I strongly tend to deride on that too. I personally love getting intelligent people angry, testing their intelligence as a fact. Then we have fundamentally different viewpoints, and there's no point in arguing. You think a failure of intelligence should be tolerated. I think tolerance of a failure is more insulting than anything else that could be said or done to that person. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar The PeacekeeperZ Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.26 15:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Machimpy Surely doing the latter could serve as a test of intelligence and strength. Giving in to deriding even the 80th person comes as a sign of weakness and arrogance and I strongly tend to deride on that too. I personally love getting intelligent people angry, testing their intelligence as a fact. Being intelligent has nothing to do with being a friendly person. Giving into what you consider a weakness and getting angry doesn't mean someone is any less intelligent, it just means they have a low threshold for morons.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.26 15:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Lui Kai Then we have fundamentally different viewpoints, and there's no point in arguing. You think a failure of intelligence should be tolerated. I think tolerance of a failure is more insulting than anything else that could be said or done to that person. But you fail to appreciate other parts besides intelligence in a human being, so doesnt that make you a failure? --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.26 15:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Jim McGregor But you fail to appreciate other parts besides intelligence in a human being, so doesnt that make you a failure? I'm willing to bet you and I put significantly different values on what deserves to be praised in a person, and thus have different definitions of "failure" for that person. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Lui Kai Originally by: Jim McGregor But you fail to appreciate other parts besides intelligence in a human being, so doesnt that make you a failure? I'm willing to bet you and I put significantly different values on what deserves to be praised in a person, and thus have different definitions of "failure" for that person. Yes, I praise more than intelligence in a person. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?

Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:01:00 - [21] Quote: Then we have fundamentally different viewpoints, and there's no point in arguing. You think a failure of intelligence should be tolerated. I think tolerance of a failure is more insulting than anything else that could be said or done to that person. No that aint the point, failure of intelligence don't necessarily have to be seen from a tolerated or not viewpoint. Both actions are just as insulting because as soon as someone implies he tolerates something, already proves a degree of egotistic arrogance. By the way, having an intelligent argument isn't about converging viewpoints, it's about what two opposites discover through it, and for that, a fair ammount of curiosty's needed...
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:05:00 - [22] Quote: Yes, I praise more than intelligence in a person. Thank you.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar The PeacekeeperZ Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:10:00 - [23] Your original comment was about people in THIS community. There are not that manyother traits to think about other than intelligence when playing EVE or talking on a forum. The person on the other side of the screen could be a mass-murdering mental case for all i know, but he makes valid arguments about weapon configuration on a typhoon.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Lui Kai Originally by: Jim McGregor But you fail to appreciate other parts besides intelligence in a human being, so doesnt that make you a failure? I'm willing to bet you and I put significantly different values on what deserves to be praised in a person, and thus have different definitions of "failure" for that person. Yes, I praise more than intelligence in a person. Yes, like the ability to convey a concept to others. I also praise ones own power to overcome a state of ignorance and educate themsleves Slade "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self"
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Machimpy No that aint the point, failure of intelligence don't necessarily have to be seen from a tolerated or not viewpoint. According to you, yes it does. Originally by: Machimpy You've nailed it there, what would it really take for the intelligent person to ignore at the point when the stupid person says "Can't you just explain it to me? I don't understan x."?? I see intelligence as preferable to stupidity. Just to clarify for future points, I also see strength as preferable to weakness, self-reliance preferable to dependency, richness to poorness, and happiness to sadness. Silence is tacit acceptance. Acceptance of a state you find non-preferable is tolerance. Thus not calling a stupid person stupid is tolerating them. Originally by: Machimpy By the way, having an intelligent argument isn't about converging viewpoints, it's about what two opposites discover through it, and for that, a fair ammount of curiosty's needed... It's not about trying to convince you, or you to convince me. It's that we're both arguing from fundamentally different value structures - which can't be changed via any arguement, and which distort the way we both use words. Every time you say "kindness," "compassion," or "acceptance" I see "patronization," "pity," or "tolerance" Every time I say "self reliance," "intelligence," or "strength" you see "egotism," "arrogance," or "coldness" The very fact you seem to think egocentrism is a bad thing illustrates this - we see the world in ways too fundamentally different to be able to actually communicate our values to each other. I will never, ever understand why being stupid would be acceptable. You will never, ever understand why wanting to help someone would be pitiable. Essentially, we'd either be arguing semantics or metaphysics - and either one is annoying to do, to me. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:51:00 - [26] Lui Kai, even though we may have different personalities, I think you are 100% correct in why people sometimes cannot see the other persons point of view. I have a coworker that gets really annoyed when I explain something to him, because he feels I am explaining it in too basic terms. He feels insulted and patronized I think. Yet that is not at all my intention. So I think it goes to show that whatever values we have sometimes overshadows the intent of the other person. This is a much more interesting discussion than intelligence in my opinion... --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.07.26 19:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Machimpy Edited by: Machimpy on 26/07/2008 14:55:01 Quote: Stupid person: I don't understand. Why is n? Intelligent person: Go read x, it's explained there. Stupid person: Can't you just explain it to me? I don't understand x. Intelligent person: No. I'm not paid to teach. Stop being lazy and stupid. Stupid person: Screw you! I may be stupid, but I'm valuable because I'm a person! You should explain it to me! You've nailed it there, what would it really take for the intelligent person to ignore at the point when the stupid person says "Can't you just explain it to me? I don't understan x."?? After that, what the intelligent person says may well be a blatant abuse of power, totally uncalled for and, if I may call it stupid and arrogant...? I agree but I have to ask a person to explain to me because my reading skills suck (Dyslexic?) sigh I hate it too! but what winds me up people judge you by your spelling and grammar. I never do unless its in text form Trinity Corporate Services
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.26 19:24:00 - [28] Edited by: goodby4u on 26/07/2008 19:25:35 Well I think your talking about in the world? Ill answer both. In the eve community people are yelled at for being dumb because the person yelling at him usually had to answer that same dumb question 5 times already, I personally like answering questions so im not one of those. In the world you must understand everybody is considered equal, so mr stupid next to you can vote for something thats idiotic without doing his research and he nullifies your vote, beyond that stupid people also usually ruin it for others ie they sue mcdonalds for making them fat or get burned by coffee so the coffee shop has to make their coffee cold now. Not to mention stupid people normally breed faster then smart people so the world is slowly becoming more idiotic because of the current groups. Lastly, besides laughing my ass off when an idiot gets hurt most of them are incredibly annoying with faulty logic.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.26 19:56:00 - [29] Some people seem to think that they can't be smart without also being an ******, I guess. It's like they have too much pride in themselves to consider lesser people* even as people for not understanding something that makes perfect sense in their head. I'm a bit dyslexic too and when someone is explaining something to me, even something really simple, I'll get confused easily and won't be able to picture it unless they explain it in a specific way Even when reading I find myself going back entire paragraphs because at some point my brain switched off and stopped making sense of any of it. Yes some smarter individuals can find it annoying at times, but it's not like us dumbasses are having fun either. ...
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.07.26 20:06:00 - [30] 7th Sense: "I see dumb people"

goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.26 20:07:00 - [31] Edited by: goodby4u on 26/07/2008 20:09:23 Edited by: goodby4u on 26/07/2008 20:07:40 Originally by: Rawr Cristina Some people seem to think that they can't be smart without also being an ******, I guess. It's like they have too much pride in themselves to consider lesser people* even as people for not understanding something that makes perfect sense in their head. I'm a bit dyslexic too and when someone is explaining something to me, even something really simple, I'll get confused easily and won't be able to picture it unless they explain it in a specific way Even when reading I find myself going back entire paragraphs because at some point my brain switched off and stopped making sense of any of it. Yes some smarter individuals can find it annoying at times, but it's not like us dumbasses are having fun either. I dont have a problem with people that try to learn and have trouble, I do however have a problem with the huge amounts of idiots that just want to sit on their ass all day and watch tv. You must understand the difference. Oh and im curious, what sentence structure do you find easiest to read?
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.26 20:18:00 - [32] Edited by: P''uck on 26/07/2008 20:18:16 Originally by: Rawr Cristina It's like they have too much pride in themselves I think that's the main problem, with smart and dumb people alike. Everything is relative, there is always somebody smarter. Going around, deliberately sharing your "wisdom" without any humility makes you just look annoying, ESPECIALLY when you are being dumb. Balance self esteem and humility and it should be fine, more or less. At least thats what I like in people. (edit: and boobies)
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.26 20:25:00 - [33] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 26/07/2008 20:27:18 Originally by: goodby4u Oh and im curious, what sentence structure do you find easiest to read? There are only 2 ways to deal with dumb people: exploit them or avoid them. If you've been told you're dumb by a lot of persons and someone else is explaining things to you for free or he's being nice while at it, he's either dumb himself or he's acting with expedience in mind. Motherships
Kye Kenshin Martial.	Posted - 2008.07.26 21:31:00 - [34] The people who discriminate in this community I think have a problem with how the real world works. In the real world you don't have to be super intelligent to achieve success. In fact I would say social skills, connections and attractiveness are far more important to success in a capitalist world then pure intelligence. This annoys some people and to them EVE is how the world should be, a place where they can feel superior and put down the Paris Hiltons of our internet spaceship paradise. To me personally the best way to fight ignorance is education. My little brother suffers from dyslexia and other learning problems, he constantly asks me questions about things, which would sound dumb to you and can get very annoying. But I answer his questions because he can then make progress and day by day the silly questions lessen. Also all human life has value, when you take that value away terrible things like the holocaust happen. --------------------------------------
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.26 23:35:00 - [35] Edited by: goodby4u on 26/07/2008 23:36:11 Originally by: Kye Kenshin The people who discriminate in this community I think have a problem with how the real world works. In the real world you don't have to be super intelligent to achieve success. In fact I would say social skills, connections and attractiveness are far more important to success in a capitalist world then pure intelligence. This annoys some people and to them EVE is how the world should be, a place where they can feel superior and put down the Paris Hiltons of our internet spaceship paradise. To me personally the best way to fight ignorance is education. My little brother suffers from dyslexia and other learning problems, he constantly asks me questions about things, which would sound dumb to you and can get very annoying. But I answer his questions because he can then make progress and day by day the silly questions lessen. Also all human life has value, when you take that value away terrible things like the holocaust happen. It depends entirely on what jobs your talking about, in reality you are correct, the most social of us usually succeed the most... But if you want to be a scientist or something that takes intelligence the business men would love a genius with basic social skills far more then an idiot with great social skills. Like I said before, I dont mind stupid people or people with a mental illness that ATTEMPT to learn, its the idiots that dont care about learning or research that get on my nerves, especially when it comes to voting as their votes count just as much as mine. And I also believe all human life has value, but you must also understand some people are just worth more then others(ie a person that wants to do good in his community is worth more then a serial killer to me)... How you determine one's value is based on his character and his willingness to further himself.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.07.27 10:51:00 - [36] Edited by: Xen Gin on 27/07/2008 10:52:08 Edited by: Xen Gin on 27/07/2008 10:51:26 Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 26/07/2008 23:36:11 Originally by: Kye Kenshin The people who discriminate in this community I think have a problem with how the real world works. In the real world you don't have to be super intelligent to achieve success. In fact I would say social skills, connections and attractiveness are far more important to success in a capitalist world then pure intelligence. This annoys some people and to them EVE is how the world should be, a place where they can feel superior and put down the Paris Hiltons of our internet spaceship paradise. To me personally the best way to fight ignorance is education. My little brother suffers from dyslexia and other learning problems, he constantly asks me questions about things, which would sound dumb to you and can get very annoying. But I answer his questions because he can then make progress and day by day the silly questions lessen. Also all human life has value, when you take that value away terrible things like the holocaust happen. It depends entirely on what jobs your talking about, in reality you are correct, the most social of us usually succeed the most... But if you want to be a scientist or something that takes intelligence the business men would love a genius with basic social skills far more then an idiot with great social skills. Like I said before, I dont mind stupid people or people with a mental illness that ATTEMPT to learn, its the idiots that dont care about learning or research that get on my nerves, especially when it comes to voting as their votes count just as much as mine. And I also believe all human life has value, but you must also understand some people are just worth more then others(ie a person that wants to do good in his community is worth more then a serial killer to me)... How you determine one's value is based on his character and his willingness to further himself. I can see that like me, you dislike those who don't attempt to better themselves. My one true belief is that the purpose of life is to better itself. He who does not try to better himself is a poor man.
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.27 15:18:00 - [37] Edited by: Machimpy on 27/07/2008 15:22:02 Quote: No-one - I reiterate here - NO-ONE is valuable by virtue of being born. Value is something you accomplish, through actions and effort. If someone is not willing to put in any effort, they have no value. Quote: I can see that like me, you dislike those who don't attempt to better themselves. My one true belief is that the purpose of life is to better itself. He who does not try to better himself is a poor man. Ultimately all allowed equal rights on this one from birth Im affraid. Try threatening an infant to walking or else failing to be considered of human value...??
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.07.27 15:45:00 - [38] I find intelligent people to be just as capable of being annoying as stupid people.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 16:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Digital Solaris I find intelligent people to be just as capable of being annoying as stupid people. Maybe you're antisocial. Motherships
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.27 16:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Machimpy Ultimately all allowed equal rights on this one from birth Im affraid. Try threatening an infant to walking or else failing to be considered of human value...?? That isn't exactly a fair analogy. Every infant needs time to learn to walk. Some take longer than others. The correct analogy would be: What if your kid never even tried to walk because it was too busy watching some insects fornicate (that's a metaphor for big brother, btw).

Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.27 17:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Digital Solaris I find intelligent people to be just as capable of being annoying as stupid people. This. In fact, they can easily be more annoying, as a stupid person will eventually go away, whereas mr intelligence will stay and beat the dead horse to make sure the corpse is at perfect ground level, so you won't trip when you walk over it And yes, sometimes I do this as well, although I try not to. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.27 17:47:00 - [42] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/07/2008 17:47:21 Funny how nobody think they are stupid themselfs. Its always the other guy. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.07.27 18:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Xen Gin on 27/07/2008 18:26:26 Originally by: Machimpy Edited by: Machimpy on 27/07/2008 15:22:02 Quote: No-one - I reiterate here - NO-ONE is valuable by virtue of being born. Value is something you accomplish, through actions and effort. If someone is not willing to put in any effort, they have no value. Quote: I can see that like me, you dislike those who don't attempt to better themselves. My one true belief is that the purpose of life is to better itself. He who does not try to better himself is a poor man. Ultimately all allowed equal rights on this one from birth Im affraid. Try threatening an infant to walking or else failing to be considered of human value...?? Not even close my friend or how Americans might say, "A swing and a miss"?
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2008.07.27 18:36:00 - [44] the "value" of people is all in your imagination. whether you rate others and yourself by intelligence, strength, number of people ****ed or something else is irrelevant. you're all equally worthless. but it's nice to think you're worth something, keeps the /wrists thoughts from entering the conscious mind. very handy that.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.07.27 18:37:00 - [45] Originally by: YouGotRipped Maybe you're antisocial. I am, I loathe people on general basis. I have no attention span at all and if I find someone to be boring, I'll tell them so, that they are a bore so instead of wasting time and energy for both of us, I am going to find something to entertain myself because I am bored. But as irony has it, I can't get enough of people that are capable of holding a conversation. Easier to find that online though.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 18:41:00 - [46] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/07/2008 18:42:42 Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/07/2008 18:41:50 Originally by: Keta Min the "value" of people is all in your imagination. whether you rate others and yourself by intelligence, strength, number of people ****ed or something else is irrelevant. you're all equally worthless. but it's nice to think you're worth something, keeps the /wrists thoughts from entering the conscious mind. very handy that. What do you mean we're all equally worthless? How did you choose your husband? Ini mini miny mo? Motherships
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 18:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Keta Min the "value" of people is all in your imagination. whether you rate others and yourself by intelligence, strength, number of people ****ed or something else is irrelevant. you're all equally worthless. but it's nice to think you're worth something, keeps the /wrists thoughts from entering the conscious mind. very handy that. I can counter that by saying that on our planet we are the most important species: we could destroy the world or save the world, and thats damn important. But if your saying that the human race would die off eventually, maybe, but there is a possibility of us learning string theory and making our universe everlasting because of it. Now, virtue, the wish to further one's self etc is extremely important in life, whether you believe we are all worthless or not. Oh and lastly, you believe everybody is worthless, but in reality your just creating a rational to your being antisocial and morally inempt, I recommend you reassess your life.
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:07:00 - [48] Quote: Originally by: Keta Minthe "value" of people is all in your imagination. whether you rate others and yourself by intelligence, strength, number of people ****ed or something else is irrelevant. you're all equally worthless. but it'snice to think you're worth something, keeps the /wrists thoughts from entering the conscious mind. very handy that. I can counter that by saying that on our planet we are the most important species: we could destroy the world or save the world, and thats damn important. But if your saying that the human race would die off eventually, maybe, but there is a possibility of us learning string theory and making our universe everlasting because of it. Now, virtue, the wish to further one's self etc is extremely important in life, whether you believe we are all worthless or not. Oh and lastly, you believe everybody is worthless, but in reality your just creating a rational to your being antisocial and morally inempt, I recommend you reassess your life. Admins! Please lock this thread, it went from a harmless exchange of ideas on human values to a full on guru battle.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:12:00 - [49] Not yet!!! I'm curious about the basis of the statement that we're all worthless. Keta Min, what have you been reading lately? Motherships
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:20:00 - [50] reading? nothing, i just thought that jab at egos i posted would be quite funny. and in reply to the most advanced species able to blabla.. - and?

goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Keta Min reading? nothing, i just thought that jab at egos i posted would be quite funny. and in reply to the most advanced species able to blabla.. - and? And you obviously are either a troll or have moral issues, I will leave you to your thoughts. Btw YOUR GURU IS NO MATCH FOR MY GURU!
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:23:00 - [52] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/07/2008 19:26:21 Does anyone have any knowledge of Zen in these forums? What you people regard as the ego/self is in fact an error of perception. Motherships
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:26:00 - [53] Originally by: YouGotRipped Does anyone have any knowledge on Zen in these forums? What you people regard as the ego/self is in fact an error of perception. But if thats the case, you cannot inform me of this because your just an error in my perception. "In the beginning, the was just darkness, and me...LET THERE BE LIGHT!"-some bomb in some movie.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:39:00 - [54] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/07/2008 19:46:32 Originally by: goodby4u But if thats the case, you cannot inform me of this because your just an error in my perception. I'm not saying the world is an illusion / not existing, whatever value / meaning you attribute to it is entirely dependending on your personality / stupidity / unsaturation. Zen aimes at achieving a differentiation between the act of perception and the object that is perceived, in other words it will separate awareness from the self. "When we do not identify with, or get absorbed in our thoughts and ego, we live in pure awareness. These are lucid, real experiences for the people who manage to live in them." Google for "pure awareness" if you want to know more. Motherships
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:44:00 - [55] Originally by: goodby4u And you obviously are either a troll or have moral issues, I will leave you to your thoughts. Btw YOUR GURU IS NO MATCH FOR MY GURU! the point is you can entertain yourself thinking up all kinds of values, moral or not, but it's nice to keep in mind that they're not really objective, as there is no such thing. ego ************ is not actually required to enjoy living, without it you can appreciate some things for what they are instead of superimposing your fantasies of how you'd like it to be.
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:52:00 - [56] I think the horse is dead gentlemen.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:52:00 - [57] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/07/2008 19:55:56 Originally by: Machimpy I think the horse is dead gentlemen. Charge at 200V. Clear! Note down time of death please... 19:55 Eve Time. Motherships
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:59:00 - [58] no, some hairs are still moving. might be the wind but can never be too sure.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 19:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: goodby4u And you obviously are either a troll or have moral issues, I will leave you to your thoughts. Btw YOUR GURU IS NO MATCH FOR MY GURU! the point is you can entertain yourself thinking up all kinds of values, moral or not, but it's nice to keep in mind that they're not really objective, as there is no such thing. ego ************ is not actually required to enjoy living, without it you can appreciate some things for what they are instead of superimposing your fantasies of how you'd like it to be. It depends entirely on what you believe, I for instance believe in an afterlife, so thus my actions matter. Ego? I said nothing of ego, I said self worth is enhanced through furthering oneself, this is true not through bragging about it but a further understanding and thus you can teach others about it, help others etc... Like I said, its about furthering yourself. Lastly, believing people are worthless is one hell of a line to cross, one which several dictators and other horrible people crossed... So like I said, you need to reassess your life.
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:07:00 - [60] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: goodby4u And you obviously are either a troll or have moral issues, I will leave you to your thoughts. Btw YOUR GURU IS NO MATCH FOR MY GURU! the point is you can entertain yourself thinking up all kinds of values, moral or not, but it's nice to keep in mind that they're not really objective, as there is no such thing. ego ************ is not actually required to enjoy living, without it you can appreciate some things for what they are instead of superimposing your fantasies of how you'd like it to be. It depends entirely on what you believe, I for instance believe in an afterlife, so thus my actions matter. Ego? I said nothing of ego, I said self worth is enhanced through furthering oneself, this is true not through bragging about it but a further understanding and thus you can teach others about it, help others etc... Like I said, its about furthering yourself. Lastly, believing people are worthless is one hell of a line to cross, one which several dictators and other horrible people crossed... So like I said, you need to reassess your life. thanks for the tip, so i just need to believe. right on!

YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:13:00 - [61] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/07/2008 20:14:59 Originally by: goodby4u It depends entirely on what you believe, I for instance believe in an afterlife, so thus my actions matter. There is no afterlife. And death is just an endless dreamless sleep, however as long as you identify yourself with your emotions, perceptions etc death is frightening. See my above post about pure awareness, there is no self. But let me prove it: think about the classical case of brain trauma resulting in memory loss. The individual cannot remember who he is who he loves what he has done etc and that's just the result of brain damage. You somehow think that after you lose your entire body you'll still remember anything? You "die" every time you forget something just as you die every day when you fall asleep and your brain enters the slow wave sleep state. Motherships
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:15:00 - [62] Edited by: goodby4u on 27/07/2008 20:16:25 Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 27/07/2008 20:13:13 Originally by: goodby4u It depends entirely on what you believe, I for instance believe in an afterlife, so thus my actions matter. There is no afterlife. And death is just an endless dreamless sleep, however as long as you identify yourself with your emotions, perceptions etc death is frightening. See my above post about pure awareness, there is no self. But let me prove it: think about the clasical case of brain trauma resulting in memory loss. The individual cannot remember who he is who he loves what he has done etc and that's just the result of brain damage. You somehow think that after you lose your entire body you'll still remember anything? You "die" every time you forget something just as you die every day when you fall asleep and your brain enters the slow wave sleep state. Yeah, see nobody knows what happens after death, so what might seem like a fairytale to some, may in reality be the truth. I will not discuss religion further then this, I believe in religious tolerance and your allowed to believe what you wish to believe, not to mention this is entirely offtopic. And keta, im not telling you what to believe, but thinking that every human is worthless is a very bad moral choice... Everybody has a value, and it has nothing to do with religion/ego/money.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:17:00 - [63] We'll just have to ask Machimpy nicely to change the topic. Joking. I'm done here. Motherships
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:19:00 - [64] Originally by: YouGotRipped We'll just have to ask Machimpy nicely to change the topic. Joking. I'm done here. Indeed, im close to being done aswell, I am just happy to be having this discussion with keta as it makes me feel like a better person
Lui Kai Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:29:00 - [65] As predicted: Thread devolved into metaphysics. Behold my prophetic powers. ---------------- Ambulation Answers
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:32:00 - [66] Edited by: goodby4u on 27/07/2008 20:32:24 Originally by: Lui Kai As predicted: Thread devolved into metaphysics. Behold my prophetic powers. And you expected different in out of pod? Im surprised that this thread wasnt locked yet.
nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:39:00 - [67] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Some people seem to think that they can't be smart without also being an ******, I guess. It's like they have too much pride in themselves to consider lesser people* even as people for not understanding something that makes perfect sense in their head. I'm a bit dyslexic too and when someone is explaining something to me, even something really simple, I'll get confused easily and won't be able to picture it unless they explain it in a specific way Even when reading I find myself going back entire paragraphs because at some point my brain switched off and stopped making sense of any of it. Yes some smarter individuals can find it annoying at times, but it's not like us dumbasses are having fun either. Dyslexic does not equal dumb...I find that I when I have to think about being dyslexic actually helps me explain somethings, yes my spelling sucks and yes sometimes not even I can read my hand writting and yes anything but basic maths just makes my head hurt. But on the other hand it took me years to figure out that other people find it hard to concentrate on more than one thing at a time and others need to work out things that just seem **** easy to me. I do think that the defination of being dyslexic has been striched to include the iridemabley stupid (yes I am sure some of the words in this post are not spelt right, sue me). ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 20:54:00 - [68] Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Rawr Cristina Some people seem to think that they can't be smart without also being an ******, I guess. It's like they have too much pride in themselves to consider lesser people* even as people for not understanding something that makes perfect sense in their head. I'm a bit dyslexic too and when someone is explaining something to me, even something really simple, I'll get confused easily and won't be able to picture it unless they explain it in a specific way Even when reading I find myself going back entire paragraphs because at some point my brain switched off and stopped making sense of any of it. Yes some smarter individuals can find it annoying at times, but it's not like us dumbasses are having fun either. Dyslexic does not equal dumb...I find that I when I have to think about being dyslexic actually helps me explain somethings, yes my spelling sucks and yes sometimes not even I can read my hand writting and yes anything but basic maths just makes my head hurt. But on the other hand it took me years to figure out that other people find it hard to concentrate on more than one thing at a time and others need to work out things that just seem **** easy to me. I do think that the defination of being dyslexic has been striched to include the iridemabley stupid (yes I am sure some of the words in this post are not spelt right, sue me). Dyslexia allows you to concentrate on more then one thing at once? I didnt know that. Can you explain further?
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.27 21:19:00 - [69] Edited by: Machimpy on 27/07/2008 21:22:41 Quote: As predicted: Thread devolved into metaphysics. Behold my prophetic powers. Yes you have a c-o-c-k! (Nothing personal) Quote: Dyslexia allows you to concentrate on more then one thing at once? I didnt know that. Can you explain further? Open your own dyslexia thread.
AmosTrask	Posted - 2008.07.27 21:51:00 - [70] It seems a lot are splitting hairs now. I don't belive there is such a thing as a stupid person everyone is good at something and no one can know everything. I remind my self of a quote by Isaac newton at least once a week(something that he extrapolated from previous scholars) "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." I have no respect for people who refuse to impart wisdom and no respect for those that refuse to better them selves. No matter what your circumstances are rl is just as cutthroat as eve.

nahtoh Caldari StrikerCorp	Posted - 2008.07.27 21:52:00 - [71] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Rawr Cristina Some people seem to think that they can't be smart without also being an ******, I guess. It's like they have too much pride in themselves to consider lesser people* even as people for not understanding something that makes perfect sense in their head. I'm a bit dyslexic too and when someone is explaining something to me, even something really simple, I'll get confused easily and won't be able to picture it unless they explain it in a specific way Even when reading I find myself going back entire paragraphs because at some point my brain switched off and stopped making sense of any of it. Yes some smarter individuals can find it annoying at times, but it's not like us dumbasses are having fun either. Dyslexic does not equal dumb...I find that I when I have to think about being dyslexic actually helps me explain somethings, yes my spelling sucks and yes sometimes not even I can read my hand writting and yes anything but basic maths just makes my head hurt. But on the other hand it took me years to figure out that other people find it hard to concentrate on more than one thing at a time and others need to work out things that just seem ** easy to me. I do think that the defination of being dyslexic has been striched to include the iridemabley stupid (yes I am sure some of the words in this post are not spelt right, sue me). Dyslexia allows you to concentrate on more then one thing at once? I didnt know that. Can you explain further? Well I can't prove it like But I know a number of people that are dyslexic and as a general rule of thumb I have noticed the ablity to do 2 things at one time does seem to be higher than normal. Apart from that my reading speed is pretty high as well (when on a roll maybe 4 to 7 paperbacks a day). I can also jump over a lot of steps to arrive at the correct answer (used to drive my high school maths teacher up the wall TBFH, could come up with the answer but when I tried to work it out I would get it wrong) But on the down side my spelling is pretty bad, the rules of grammer make no real sense to me, my hand writing really sucks, as mentioned maths just makes my head hurt and it also effects my hearing (I can't distingush between certian words when I hear them) and possably my sight as well. It takes and it gives, but it does not equal stupid or dumb... I have learned to compistae for it to a degree over the years though, which might be why I don't get on with actual stupid people that well. The same question form the same person over and over just makes me wanna hurt people (and I do feel sorry for those I have to harrass when trying to get something with maths worked out, I understand how absolutly annoying it is). Less than steller and trying I can deal with, smart but lazy es me off, stupid and lazy however really does my ** in. Oh aye being able to recite shit by rote without the ablity to actually use it does not equate to being smart...I tend to come down on the troubleshooting side of things is a better indicater of mental power. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 21:58:00 - [72] Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: nahtoh Originally by: Rawr Cristina Some people seem to think that they can't be smart without also being an ******, I guess. It's like they have too much pride in themselves to consider lesser people* even as people for not understanding something that makes perfect sense in their head. I'm a bit dyslexic too and when someone is explaining something to me, even something really simple, I'll get confused easily and won't be able to picture it unless they explain it in a specific way Even when reading I find myself going back entire paragraphs because at some point my brain switched off and stopped making sense of any of it. Yes some smarter individuals can find it annoying at times, but it's not like us dumbasses are having fun either. Dyslexic does not equal dumb...I find that I when I have to think about being dyslexic actually helps me explain somethings, yes my spelling sucks and yes sometimes not even I can read my hand writting and yes anything but basic maths just makes my head hurt. But on the other hand it took me years to figure out that other people find it hard to concentrate on more than one thing at a time and others need to work out things that just seem **** easy to me. I do think that the defination of being dyslexic has been striched to include the iridemabley stupid (yes I am sure some of the words in this post are not spelt right, sue me). Dyslexia allows you to concentrate on more then one thing at once? I didnt know that. Can you explain further? Oh aye being able to recite shit by rote without the ablity to actually use it does not equate to being smart...I tend to come down on the troubleshooting side of things is a better indicater of mental power. Yes, theres a difference between knowledgable, and smart. Being smart(ie having a high iq etc)is the ability to grasp and comprehend things well, and in most situations also having the ability to put it into practice. Knowledgable is just knowing the meterial word for word. Thanks for the insight into dyslexia, its quite interesting indeed.
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.27 22:24:00 - [73] BAD LOVERS!
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.27 22:31:00 - [74] Originally by: Machimpy BAD LOVERS! Eh?
Remata Lakira Terran Coalition The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.27 22:55:00 - [75] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Machimpy BAD LOVERS! Eh? I think the idiot got tired of all these polysyllabic words and decided to 'tard out (kidding)


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