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kieron
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Diwa
I was thinking to combine my 2 accounts into one which would offset the cost of $40 however I see one simple problem and that is training!! I be able to train only one character at a time, is this correct assumption kieron?
Yes, your account will still be subject to the 1 skill training at a time limitation.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:16:00 -
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The pricing of these services are being discussed internally. When a final determination is made, the results will be blogged and posted here.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Synex
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
The pricing of these services are being discussed internally. When a final determination is made, the results will be blogged and posted here.
Ok... Who came up with prices to start with? Cos I have a large trout here to slap them with.
If the prices / ideas that are 'suggested' are popped up on a dev blog or something... Can you remind the devs to say something like "We are thinking about..." or "What do you guys think of this... " rather than saying "This IS what is going to happen".
If we all work together as a community, we could accomplish so much more, with so fewer flames / complaints.
Cheers,
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:24:00 -
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Listen to Synex, he's clearly wearing his smartypants!
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Nomaar
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: meowcat
The price for simply changing your face seems like a cynical moneymaking ploy IMO. I am both surprised and disappointed that CCP have done this. It's the first time i've felt this way.
I agree completely. In the pre-beta days, I remember CCP devs talking about how enhancements to portraits were going to be built-in rewards for achieving certain ranks or goals. Now that aspect has not only been taken completly out of the game, but turned into a money-making gimmick.
In essence, this the first time I feel manipulated by CCP. It's disappointing.
Changes in the portrait should be for isk. Charging 500,000 isk for a change seems reasonable. And changes to the facial structure shouldn't be allowed. Only to the hair, clothes, lighting, background, jewelry, makeup and implants and tattoos.
Anyway, a big thumbs down on this move. I guess no company is perfect.
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
The pricing of these services are being discussed internally. When a final determination is made, the results will be blogged and posted here.
kieron please read what i posted before, its not jsut about the money cost, its about your image (what people think about ccp).
if you ask money for a thing like this idd estimate quite a few people would lose faith in the "dreams" after wich ccp to most peoples opinion build this game
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Laika Minirva
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Laika Minirva on 27/05/2004 17:37:54
Originally by: kieron
The pricing of these services are being discussed internally. When a final determination is made, the results will be blogged and posted here.
Guys, that means they WILL be lowered.When is the last time a saleman has told you to wait with buying his goods, because the prices are still under discussion? 
Edit: and i agree real money should be charged instaid of ISK as people would break the rendermachine down with all their silly requests.  15-20 bucks would be reasonable, but 40 is just crazy.
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Synex
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Listen to Synex, he's clearly wearing his smartypants!
Every day is a smarty-pants day :)
I have a lot of love for this game, I've been following it since it's annoucement back in 2000(?). But recently, I have been slamming my head against the table again and again and stuff like this comes up... All the back-tracking and setting of ludicris goals / prices... ah, it's crazy.
I understand that CCP might be undergoing a lot of internal changes, but I for one would be a lot more forgiving if the link between the community + devs was a bit more transparent.
Maybe the CSM should change from 'Council of Stellar Management' to something like 'Common Sense Meeting'...
*slams head against table*
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:39:00 -
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It's not that bad, synex 
I agree, thoguh, there could be a little bit more feedback through blogs, etc, but I think they're doing an admirable job. Been improving ever since beta :)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:47:00 -
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$10 is a more realistic figure, if you ask me, which you aren't but if you were, it's what I'd say.
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2004.05.27 17:51:00 -
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LOL no way!
People expected at some point that altering avatars might be doable as part of CONTENT. You know hair change, tatoo removal (small isk) to full plastic surgery (big isk). Along with this you could have player skills to do this, more interactivety...more immersion...more..you know, CONTENT!
Externalising it this way is a joke. Why dont you do away with all player manufacturing as well, and only provide ingame items for real money too while your at it.
I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some major problem inside CCP with regard to Eve's future. The current balancing changes are merely number shuffling of DB look up tables..where's anything of real tangible effort?
Stop playing sleight of hand, tell us what's really intended to be developed for this game AND what's NOT going to be developed in this game (with the essential ingredient..honesty). We can the decide if this is the game for us and stay/fack off as appropriate.
Jeez all l wanted to do was rotate my avatar a bit so he's not staring away like a beady eyed peado.
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Diwa
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Posted - 2004.05.27 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shap Sheegger
I like 40, since it was a dumb idea in the first place.People would change avatars all the time, and avatars stick with me longer than names do funnily enough.. especially when flying through space checking local.
Now that is most assenite reason I yet hearà Name is what you look for and that should NOT be ever change!!
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Whitethorn
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Posted - 2004.05.27 18:06:00 -
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The way they have done changing the image makes it a completely automated process from their point of view.
You do all the work creating an avatar with the image you want on an alt slot on the same account, then all you do is tell the system which two faces you want it to swap. The coding needed to implement this on the database would be simplicity itself, the only fancy part would have been their writing the interface for it.
The main use for this feature would have been those who used the random option when they created their first character (like me), and have too much time invested in that character to consider just deleting it and making a new one. Many of those people would happily pay a small charge to give their avatar a decent picture, and would spend ages tinkering in the character creator to get just the right look. I know I would have, but not for 40 euros.
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2004.05.27 18:12:00 -
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its just unfair they charge money, for some people moneys worth mroe then others, disable skilltraining of the person in question ( at least portraits ) for a day or so, thats a punishment for all so they wont do it all the time.
but it wont effect people IRL.
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I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist
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Wilma Deering
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Posted - 2004.05.27 18:13:00 -
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Think about your loyal customer base CCP and don't start milking us for every penny you can get. 
UO went down the crapper when they introduced advanced character purchasing for $30/acount and a ton of other money-spinning gimicks. Charging your customers for something as simple as portait editing is one such gimick.
I'd hate to see CCP follow the likes of EA etc in the way it treats its customers.
Portrait editing should be nothing more than an in-game feature that costs ISK.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.05.27 18:17:00 -
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portrait swapping and character transfer = cool
$40 = insanely wrong
I swear, it's like someone has been running all the good ideas out of CCP HQ through a stupid filter for the last month or so.
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.05.27 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 27/05/2004 19:41:46
40 Euros is only a lot of money to poor people who should probably be out working for a better job and not playing frickin' video games. Heck, that should be a sig quote! But I'm not against using ISK to pay for portrait swapping.
But on a technical note: if you swap your portrait with a character of a different race does that mean you become that race? Or do you keep your original race?
And MOST importantly: does this reset our "Hot Characters" score? 
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.05.27 18:32:00 -
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For $40 I expect the guy who does the artwork for the news and chronicals to paint me a framed RL 20x30" portrait of my character that I can hang on my wall, not photoshop some different hair onto my character in a 150x150 image 
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.05.27 18:35:00 -
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Keep this overpriced crap to yourself.
I was thrilled when I read we would be able to alter our character portraits, but Ç40 euro... What the hell have you been smoking?
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 27/05/2004 19:11:05
YOU MAKE ME SICK HELLMAR... SELLING THE REALISTIC PART OF EVE FOR MONEY... U SUCK!!!
and if Lord Zap gives his account to a carebear? No more telling who is who in this bloody game.
WORK ON SHIVA AND STOP MESSING AROUND!!!!
PS: i usually don't white with capitals but this time u have really ****ed me off
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Demangel on 27/05/2004 19:12:33
Originally by: Xelios
For $40 I expect the guy who does the artwork for the news and chronicals to paint me a framed RL 20x30" portrait of my character that I can hang on my wall, not photoshop some different hair onto my character in a 150x150 image
ROFL Amen :)
I too read the thing and was like: Oooh, maybe a few bucks won't be that bad, I'd like to make my portrait look a tiny bit less... "Friendly" Maybe. Even I thinik he looks very good, he looks almost too "Nice".
But $40?
Look unless CCP mails me a nugget of gold and a months supply of fine meats and cheeses and naked pictures of the hotter female CCP office employees, it's just not gonna happen.
I could understand if you guys at CCP had to manualy photoshop the portrait... $40 would make sense then.
Let me know when you guys get your sanity back and drop the price down to $10, or better yet $5.
I'd still feel ripped off (I agree, smells more like a money making gimick than a real need), but at least it would affordable, and justifiable.
I mean seriously CCP, if it really costs you $30 or something to change the portrait, I understand there is nothing you can do about that... But if thats the case, then don't bother with the service... It makes it seem like your being dishonest and greedy.
If it costs you nothing or next to nothing, then you ARE being dishonest and greedy... there are much better ways to limit portrait alterations to prevent exploiting than making a bad PR mistake like this.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:19:00 -
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All of a sudden i lost every bit of courage to play this game...
Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
MATANDO
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:22:00 -
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Well I agree that a price is needed to stop people from exploiting this service but no frelling way I am ever going to pay 40 euro's for a simple service like that!
It would be the same as asking 10 euro's to use someones toilet!
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Badboyslb
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:25:00 -
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WAT ARE U DOING SOLDIER?
i mean wtf?
40 RL cash for using ingame option and "things"
just gime game content and stop making little things like u can paint ur ship for 100Ç
BOOOOOOO
very bad decision IMO.
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Medreena
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:25:00 -
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Like I said on the reply to the DEV Blog I dont think this is a good idea
At least charactures will NOT be able to change race and sex which means that they can only redesign a portrait to what they originaly selected for their race.
For a lot of people advatars are an important way for people to recognise eatchother on the forum and ingame. Im not totaly opposed to people changing portraits, but rather give it some more moderate means of change. There are lots of good suggestion in the idea lab, but I think it sould be payed for in ISK as an ingame feature that is either rewarded by agents or payed for at a lab or whatever. A more moderate means of change would be the ability to go back into the char creation tool and change makeup, hair, lighting and clothing. For the more advanced changes such as facial features that would cost ISK.
Name changing would be a total disaster Please CCP dont do that. Imagine Pirates running round under a new name you wouldnt be able to tell in local anymore if you were being hunted.... i realise you can tell what they were used to be called as well but that would take extra time, and if your trying to do that in the heat of a battle its not gonna be good.
Im worried about players loosing a sense of identity.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:25:00 -
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Just the fact that they are asking money for a simple DB change is, in my honest opinion, despicable. It's nothing but greed, simple as that.
If they want to limit hopping make it either:
a) Very ISK expensive
b) Available only once every 4 months or so
Greed, greed, greed. That's all there is too it. Very poorly thought through, CCP. I've never been more disappointed with an introduced feature in any game ever.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:27:00 -
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I think it should be 40 dollars/euros. I mean you don't want people to change their face alot do ya...Oh, you do? Nevermind, then make it 20...and for that 20 bucks there must be extra features like jewelry and stuff...(I want a huge gold chain on my neck)
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:34:00 -
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The problem with portraits is that when reduced you have sometimes surprises, like mine^^. The only reason I want to change mine is to fix the eyes, 40 dollars or euros are too expensive just for this.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Negotiator
I think it should be 40 dollars/euros. I mean you don't want people to change their face alot do ya...Oh, you do? Nevermind, then make it 20...and for that 20 bucks there must be extra features like jewelry and stuff...(I want a huge gold chain on my neck)
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Opalfruit
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Posted - 2004.05.27 19:49:00 -
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I do think Ç40 is far too much..
As with some people, im not that happy with my avatar and would love to change it but would be prepared to pay Ç5 or something around that
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