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kieron
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Posted - 2004.05.28 00:43:00 -
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 Originally by: LukAsh
To Kieron:
You are community manager. Push CCP that they try to think more about their moves and consumer reactions... I think the 40EU price tag on the service is the worst and least thought through move to date. Even the E3 shiva relase date leak was nothing compared to this. It puts CCP in very bad light, as you can see in the posts before mine. And in the end its bad for EVE and we want all the best for it, don't we? 
The pricing of the services was initially set with name changes in mind, not so much the portrait swapping or the transfer. When we realized a mistake was made in pricing all the services the same amount, we discussed new pricing and made adjustments. While we cannot offer the services for free, the pricing should be a lot more palatable.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Mystikos
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Posted - 2004.05.28 01:13:00 -
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Geez, I would think none of you had ever bought anything from a salesman again.
It goes like this: any price they name will be too much, so they name one that seems especially high. Later, after "internal discussion," they make it more reasonable, say between $10-$20. There are still people who will complain, but they can be met with the response "Hey, it was going to be $40."
I don't know anything about original DEV promises to add this kind of content, but you can't exactly start over with a new face and your old stats at this point. There are currently 5 pages of rants about a feature that's not in yet, may not ever be put in, and may only be put in SoonÖ. Give the guys (and girls?) a chance to put it in, and if you don't like it, you don't have to use it. They'll figure out soon enough if it's worth it to them or not.
BTW, this gives me an idea about an event. Is there someone I need to contact about this?
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2004.05.28 02:34:00 -
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Well if im paying, i will want to change my blood line and everything else apart from the gender and the race, which i think is fair.
I dont think it should be charged for at all.. I think it should be a medical skill in game that allows you to do it to your own face every 2 or 3 months.
Or better, make this skill very hard to train for, and let someone else to the surgry for you.. Let them do a sample for you.. then you accept.. then it takes awile... Its a way for someone to make money..
This will give people something else to do in game.. Keeping people intrested and keeping more people paying :)
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Alberto
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Posted - 2004.05.28 03:35:00 -
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$40 buck thats good thinking, good job CCP
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.28 03:38:00 -
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They changed it to 20$ -- 10$. Nice one CCP, ty for not selling out so to speak...
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OrbitalEffect
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Posted - 2004.05.28 03:49:00 -
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How much for just a brown paper bag over my head?
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.05.28 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: OrbitalEffect
How much for just a brown paper bag over my head?
Heh, that reminds me of an old program you had to use to play AVP online... i forget the name tho....
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Shiakarma
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Posted - 2004.05.28 07:35:00 -
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Hang on a minute... it says 10EU to "swap" char portrait in the account management. Does this mean i can create ANY alt portrait I like and swap this over to ANY other char?
That's not bad if it's the case.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.28 09:06:00 -
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not exactly...it has to be the same race and bloodline and gender :P
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.05.28 09:25:00 -
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Wonder when race change gets ingame, i dont feel like a gallante... :|
However the change character is worth it.
The avatar change should have been ingame money, for plastic surgery.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.05.28 09:43:00 -
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Ok, Ok, $10 for an avvie change or whatever is still sorta lame but at least thats a lot more understandable than what it was.
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Lucre
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Posted - 2004.05.28 11:18:00 -
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No, no, no. Changing the way your character looks should be entirely in game.
Changing lighting, facial expression or background should be free and able to changed as easily as windows wallpaper (or possibly easier!)
Changing clothes and accessories - well, as I posted elsewhere there's a whole potential new in-game market there.
Changing your face, gender or even race - well, presumably in the Eve-verse it'd certainly be *possible*. However obviously there'd be restrictions, especially on those with criminal records (or on race-changing!). So maybe they have to do it through the black market... or maybe with a chance of its going horribly wrong... :-)
Changing name... now that's another matter. Disposable alts are bad enough. Unless sa***uarded, this'd give disposable mains. A longtime main character will be given levels of trust far beyond a newbie alt. And do you really think the proceeds of bigtime corp theft couldn't sell for more RL money than the charge for changing an account name? No, if this is done we need identity tracking, so name history (e.g.) appears with employment history.
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2004.05.28 17:27:00 -
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Hmm lets see what CHARISMA based skills could changing you avatar bring to the game?
Tailoring - Clothes
Tatooing - Tatoos
Surgery - Face stucture
Geneering - Bloodline
Genetic surgery - Race and Sex
Hairdressing :) - Hairstyle
Makeup artist :) - Decoration
Interior design :) - Background
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.05.28 18:01:00 -
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The one thing i dont understand is why you have to charge RL money for an ingame Change?!?!
there cant be anything but greed behind this
/me smells EA wannabe's
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Dafuzz
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Posted - 2004.05.28 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Isiana
The one thing i dont understand is why you have to charge RL money for an ingame Change?!?!
there cant be anything but greed behind this
/me smells EA wannabe's
Playing Devil's Advocate...
CCP is in business to make money.
If the market is there to make more money, then they should go and do so. If the community wants added bells and whistles that are not a part of the game, and is willing to pay for it, then a price should be paid out of game, as CCP profits not one iota from in-game isk.
In-game isk doesn't put food in the mouth of CCP employees. I am quite sure that they are having to spend some money for a developer's time in order to code this, that could most likely be spent elsewhere.
Also think about this. The more extra features that are paid for, this may enable CCP to hire more personnel, or pay their current folks more money to keep them happy so that they will stay, thereby giving better service. Alternatively, it could enable them to drive faster cars or get larger home theater systems. Again, they are in the business to make money. They don't exist for you, they make a product that you want, and are apparantly willing to pay for.
That said, I would like to see a warning at character creation that urges caution and care at selection time of your avatar, and that each image and character that you choose will be there until the account goes inactive or is recycled by the you, the owner. And share with them that their Avatar will be visible on the forums and in-game to other players.
Now that you can purchase a replacement avatar of sorts, I feel that a warning of a future charge in order to change your avatar is appropriate as well.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.05.28 20:26:00 -
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True. But remember also that we already pay them $15/month to play the game and post on the forum. So, in a way were already paying for the service, sort of like if you buy a car they might include a few free tanks of gas.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.05.28 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gan Howorth
Hmm lets see what CHARISMA based skills could changing you avatar bring to the game?
Tailoring - Clothes
Tatooing - Tatoos
Surgery - Face stucture
Geneering - Bloodline
Genetic surgery - Race and Sex
Hairdressing :) - Hairstyle
Makeup artist :) - Decoration
Interior design :) - Background
OMFG this is NOT the SIMS!
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2004.05.28 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: DarkStar251 on 28/05/2004 22:04:42
Changing of lighting/clothing should be subject to a 1 million isk fee (CONCORD or whoever have administrative costs associated with updating their records with a new picture.
Changing of facial structure etc should be done at a medical facility (DNA restructuring), subject to a 10million isk fee, and the service should be performed on your clone, so it wont take effect untill you are podded.
There should also be a period of time (1 week?) after the new look takes effect where you cannot tran a skill, as the procedure is quite invasive.
This is an IN GAME action, whatever the dev blog says, and should stay as such.
It seems we are heading for a slippery slope where you can pay RL cash for a new battleship, or extra attribute point. The day that happens I will cancel my Accounts.
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Teela Belwynn
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Posted - 2004.05.28 22:06:00 -
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out-of-game paying for a in-game feature, no way, unless i win on the lottery. UNLIKELY
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Dafuzz
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Posted - 2004.05.28 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
True. But remember also that we already pay them $15/month to play the game and post on the forum. So, in a way were already paying for the service, sort of like if you buy a car they might include a few free tanks of gas.
Del, thanks for the reminder, and I completely understand your point, and I agree as far as a basic subscription goes.
All things considered, I think that $19.99 start up and $15.00 per month is a fair amount to pay for a basic game. Consider that I have never paid for a pay-to-play game before, and doubt I will again. Friends talked me into this, and if they were still playing, I would pod them for getting me hooked.
If you play Eve every week day for 2 hours, and 6 hours on the weekend, that comes to 22 hours a week times 4 weeks, that is 88 hours of entertainment for $15.00. Not to mention, when you are connected, you use CCP's bandwidth, and are paying for continuing development and advertising costs, and for customer service costs. For all intents and purposes, the game is available for play at least 23/7 at your leisure.
I personally now have no need for cable TV, as I play Eve most evenings, so this game actually saves me cash! So Eve as my main entertainment budget costs me $15 a month, where other things that occupy the same time frame would cost alot more.
Without going too much further into this, I would bet that CCP's balance sheets are still in the red, but hopefully by now just into the black, so that there is a good reason for them to not stop development, and God forbid, shutting the servers down. With rising operating costs inherent with more subscriptions necessitating more people to handle more customer service and support complaints/issues, and the costs that were associated with the free beta that need to be made up, them (CCP) ostensibly capitalizing on an added feature to assist them in balancing the books and providing even better excellence in the gaming experience that we all enjoy is in my opinion an astute business tactic.
In short: Unless Eve-Online is profitable, there is zero reason to continue. Running a game for goodwill and community spirit for a loss only goes so far.
Personally, it has always irked me that people demand right-now service for what to me would seem to be a paltry sum for an opportunity to be a part of a wonderful community that utilizes cutting edge graphics technology and art.
My 'paltry sum' rationale is this:
4 weeks per month, and 4 movie rentals per month: $5.00 x 4 = $20.00 (8 hours time total avg.)
Cable TV: $60.00 Month
4 trips to movie theater at $10.00 per with a soda = $40.00 (9 hours time total avg.)
I could go on, you get the idea.
It is human nature for us to want more bang for our buck. Can't fault anyone for that. But when considering these issues, I ask that we look at the totality of the circumstances, and realize that we truly are getting a good value for the money that we spend.
After all that, I guess I should say thanks to CCP for many hours of enjoyment, and good job.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.28 22:44:00 -
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still waiting for the picture to update.
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Teela Belwynn
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Posted - 2004.05.28 22:45:00 -
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made some quick graphical changes to myself, to illustrate what I'd like to have in the game, a ~200k img. linked below. what do you think?
The many moods of Teela
please CCP, be sensible.
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Galk
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Posted - 2004.05.29 00:22:00 -
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"It seems we are heading for a slippery slope where you can pay RL cash for a new battleship, or extra attribute point. The day that happens I will cancel my Accounts"
very well said.
I hope this is not though.
Allways having hold ccp instead before, i pray
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Deprave
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Posted - 2004.05.29 01:13:00 -
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you know what I'd pay 40 bucks IF I could reallocate skill points from skills I never use or don't have use for to skills i need.
as a newb I learnt skills that were a waste or took me in a direction that i no longer follow ie.. Amarr Indy lvl 3, it'd be nice to move those sp's to Gall Indy.. and so on..
40 bucks for that feature I'd buy.. what they're currently offering now really.. I'll keep my avatar no matter my dislike for it, thats only worth say 5 bucks.. and maybe 20 to transfer a charater.
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2004.05.29 01:39:00 -
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Remember the people that have to use pay by cash aswell. There add a fee... so it all mounts up
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2004.05.29 04:33:00 -
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I'll pay ú40 to change 'CCP' to 'OCP' as i'm feeling its more appropriate.....
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Xeria
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Posted - 2004.05.29 10:53:00 -
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Another feature i would quite like to see without being charged for  is Account Freezing. This is where people who prepay subscriptions can freeze their accounts when they go on holiday like me during the summer. To stop people from abusing the system, i would say you can only change it once every 72 hours (3 days). However, if you have to pay for it, whats the point of implementing it, since im trying to save money by pausing my account while im on holiday 
Your Tachyon Beam Laser I places an excellent hit on arkad [MOO], inflicting 702.3 damage.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.29 11:06:00 -
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I just did it. The surgeon said the operation went well. But my eyes will still look white because the color is too clear.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.29 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Negotiator on 29/05/2004 11:31:55
if you changed your pic, post the old one here plz.
here are mine:
Linkage
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.29 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Falbala on 29/05/2004 11:52:45
before
after
Still problem with eyes I did this in 15mn before downtime^^.
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